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The Victim Names section begins with “There were many people that were shot and killed, and witnessed the event.” It is unclear what the author means by “shot and killed,” and there is no citation to clarify its meaning. Does anyone have any additional information on this section? ] (]) 18:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
The Victim Names section begins with “There were many people that were shot and killed, and witnessed the event.” It is unclear what the author means by “shot and killed,” and there is no citation to clarify its meaning. Does anyone have any additional information on this section? ] (]) 18:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
:It was vandalism. It's gone. ] (]) 02:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
:It was vandalism. It's gone. ] (]) 02:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
== EDIT REQUEST: osama bin laden letter to america series (letter #2) ==
There is no reference to the U.S. ]'s unclassified Bin Laden's second letter c. 2008-2016 (https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To%20the%20American%20people.pdf; in his '''Letter to America''' series, first one published 2002), on Barack Obama's last months/day in office. End of first paragraph on last page (Pg. 4), Bin Laden states:
<code>''"If you want a real settlement that guarantees your security in your country and safeguards your economy from being depleted in a manner similar to our war of attrition against the Soviet Union, then you have to implement a roadmap that returns the Palestine land to us, all of it, ''']''', it is an Islamic land not subject to being traded or granted to any party."''</code>
The sentence quote should be visibly included in its own section if not the complete four-page letter #2 since he talks about Israeli actions in the middle of only Middle Eastern/Arab countries (and never the same to paraphrase/summarize per lost context/points), and biased publications are politically removing their own content years later (i.e. The Guardian per below), getting sued (i.e. Gawker), going bankrupt (i.e. Jezebel), and people are likening the October massacre to terrorism.
The first letter published by the ] in UK was notably taken down by them today, after it went viral in global/national press and social media today for providing ] straight from source's mouth to younger generations who previously simply listened to politicians w/out doing their own research.
References to first letter should be updated w/ archived URL, and quoted in full per above reasons and common with other Wiki letters who also have their own page, this series should also have its own page that can be linked to in this page.
*Letter to America #1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver (archived on https://web.archive.org/web/20231102060952/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver)
*Letter to America #2: original above (archived on https://web.archive.org/web/20231107090256/https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To%20the%20American%20people.pdf)
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Should the lead say, "The September 11 attacks, commonly known as 9/11, were four coordinated Islamist suicide terrorist attacks carried out by al-Qaeda against the United States on Tuesday, September 11, 2001" with or without the use of Islamist. I persoanlly think it should as it gives the reader an idea of the motive from the very first line.78.157.120.208 (talk) 14:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Yes the motive should be there in the first line and this clearly called Islamic ,Islamist comes second and and this should be called 2001 Islamist terrorist attacks in the United States short description .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
@Marginataen Why did you remove "radical" from the article description? Don't you think it's a good idea to clarify that such a heinous act is not typical among ordinary muslims? Oktayey (talk) 21:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Do you also want to do change the first sentence to "radical Islamist"? Ordinary muslims adhere to Islam (adjective from Islamic), not Islamism (adjective from Islamist). Marginataen (talk) 21:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Not done: the 9/11 attacks – the ones that happened in 2001, which this page is about – were all suicidal in nature. HouseBlaster22:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Eh, I was just at that part of the article, and had to scroll back up to go the page. I know it's a very minor complaint, I guess I just don't see any downsides, but then again, I've never ran/edited a wiki before. Travish07 (talk) 10:37, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
We also have a concept called overlinking. We don't want paragraphs to have so many links it overwhelms the reader, so sometimes that means we don't directly link something if it's covered elsewhere in the article. — The Hand That Feeds You:12:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Following the precedent set by the article on the Hamas-Israel war of 2023, WP is obliged to add a separate section on how the attacks arose in reaction to US imperialism, citing some of the many pundits, officials, and academics who have articulated that view. It should also offer a sympathetic portrait of the militants who hijacked planes, explaining the sources of their despair and irresistible anger. 32.221.36.119 (talk) 14:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Incorrect. NPOV implies a uniform standard, and uniformity creates parity. The critics of US imperialism and military expeditionism, including in Muslim majority countries, are too numerous for even a “short list.” It is staggeringly obvious that a lack of sources is not the issue. The issue is that American outrage at efforts to justify 911 would be more consequential that Jewish outrage at efforts to justify October 7. If you disagree, then do the experiment. 32.221.36.119 (talk) 15:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
No, the burden is on you to provide reliable sources backing the assertion. The idea NPOV means we have to be flat & uniform throughout the encyclopedia is a massive misunderstanding of said rule.
The Victim Names section begins with “There were many people that were shot and killed, and witnessed the event.” It is unclear what the author means by “shot and killed,” and there is no citation to clarify its meaning. Does anyone have any additional information on this section? BrokeTheInterweb (talk) 18:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
"If you want a real settlement that guarantees your security in your country and safeguards your economy from being depleted in a manner similar to our war of attrition against the Soviet Union, then you have to implement a roadmap that returns the Palestine land to us, all of it, from the sea to the river, it is an Islamic land not subject to being traded or granted to any party."
The sentence quote should be visibly included in its own section if not the complete four-page letter #2 since he talks about Israeli actions in the middle of only Middle Eastern/Arab countries (and never the same to paraphrase/summarize per lost context/points), and biased publications are politically removing their own content years later (i.e. The Guardian per below), getting sued (i.e. Gawker), going bankrupt (i.e. Jezebel), and people are likening the October massacre to terrorism.
The first letter published by the The Guardian in UK was notably taken down by them today, after it went viral in global/national press and social media today for providing 9/11 context reasoning straight from source's mouth to younger generations who previously simply listened to politicians w/out doing their own research.
References to first letter should be updated w/ archived URL, and quoted in full per above reasons and common with other Wiki letters who also have their own page, this series should also have its own page that can be linked to in this page.
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Not done: the 9/11 attacks – the ones that happened in 2001, which this page is about – were all suicidal in nature. HouseBlaster 22:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I agree Parham wiki (talk) 16:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)