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December 25

Christmas in Ukraine

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Amitchell125 (talk · give credit)

The other main page sections are running Christmas-themed topics today and so it would be good for ITN to run a Christmas story too. This one seems reasonably historic. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose This should have been nominated and posted when the reform was approved: either on 24 May 2023, when the Orthodox Church of Ukraine officially approved the date or on 28 July 2023 when President Zelensky signed the law confirming the new date, according to our article. The current blurb sounds as if the decision came out of the blue. Brandmeister 10:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• It would have been too crystal back then. And it's in the news now because it's happening now. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• I've added an altblurb to make the context of the date change more clear. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Added altblurb 2 for some clarity. Brandmeister 11:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability, and the article is of reasonable quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Support on notability. But there are two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine, so I would probably omit the "following decision of the local Orthodox Church" part. Kirill C1 (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose while other sections can tailor content to holidays, news happens when it happens, and we should not just promote stories that we would not normally promote. Here, just the move of the date of the celebration is not sufficient to post. --Masem (t) 14:17, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

  It's in the news, see and other outlets. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

  Just being reported in the news is not sufficient for posting. The simple change of a holiday date would not be posted as ITN. Masem (t) 16:52, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Per above, in a typically slow news cycle, this seems like a notable event that is in the news and the article is of sufficient quality. Would be nice if we could post this today. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support ALT2 per above. TwistedAxe 15:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability not a good idea to get a celebration of a holiday on ITN. Any country can have their first celebration at of a holiday. --Jiaminglimjm (talk) 16:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

  But it's Christmas! Kirill C1 (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - In The News, relevant to public interest surrounding Christmas. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, this is historic and timely. -- Tavix 18:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose as old news It should've been nominated in July, when parliament approved the new law and Zelensky signed it. Now it's more suitable for DYK. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

But there are always arguments "We should wait till it actually happens". Kirill C1 (talk) 21:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose as non-notable. Interesting, but not notable for ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Very interesting. Article looks good and the fact that it's celebrated in the country for the first time in over a century makes it very notable. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 23:41, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• oppose - covered by ongoing, the split in the churches being a part of the war, and beyond that trivial nableezy - 23:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

December 24

RD: Ingrid Steeger

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:751B:E940:C692:8064 (talk · give credit)

German actress and comedian. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:751B:E940:C692:8064 (talk) 18:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. The article heading and her life and career section is way too short. It should be expanded more. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: David Libai

Israeli Minister of Justice from 1992 to 1996. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support. All sourced, looks good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

December 23

RD: Hugh Aynesworth

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

– Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Chem Pluto

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by WeatherWriter (talk · give credit)

This is breaking news and so needs expansion but seems to be a significant escalation in the recent shipping attacks in that the target was a ship off the coast of India, sailing to a port in India and crewed by Indians. Many other nations seem to be involved. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Wait until article quality improves, but support on notability. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
• Sounds important, but unclear how important this actually is or if there will be any long term consequences. Don't see much news reporting about this attack besides "the tanker was hit by a drone". Haven't seen much in terms of reactions. Natg 19 (talk) 09:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
• "Seventh Iranian attack on commercial shipping since 2021" per the DW source, with no casualties and little other indication that this one is more significant than the others. Our article (currently miles away from WP:ITNUPDATE) certainly doesn't reflect any. —Cryptic 10:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Iran is denying that they made the attack and the Indian Navy is investigating. So, we must await developments but it's already significant in that the shipping route from the Persian Gulf to India is now threatened and there's no alternative route, like there is for the Red Sea. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:48, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• When nobody gets hurt and very little is damaged, there's no need for an alternative route. Shipping folk know the dangers, by land, air or sea. All the other however many thousand ships need is a little luck and basic technical proficiency. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment - A Liberian flagged, Japanese owned, Dutch operated tanker, with Indian and Vietnamese personnel, that was hit by an Iranian drone, with the Indian navy responding, and being considered related to a civil war in Yemen, itself related to a war in Israel and Palestine. Quite a mix, certainly a large international impact. 102.38.63.199 (talk) 18:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Wait We need a clearer idea of exactly who did what, to whom, how bad it was, and whether it is likely to be seen as more serious than previous incidents in the area. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose Incident is unlikely to have any lasting significance that makes it stand out from all the others. Likely fails WP:EVENT. I have tagged the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Wait Unless this has any lasting impact and consequences, it wouldn't make sense to post it. TwistedAxe 15:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: M. M. Rajendran

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Former Odisha Governor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. Much of the article is unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Bonda Mani

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alangar Manickam (talk · give credit)

Renowned actor and comedian who had appeared in over 270 films. Abishe (talk) 06:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support. I've added a single citation needed tag, but apart from that, the article has no other issues. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Torben Ulrich

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:41C:5579:CBAA:C73C (talk · give credit)

Father of Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:41C:5579:CBAA:C73C (talk) 10:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ian Punnett

• Nominated by 173.71.151.40 (talk · give credit)

Weekend host of Coast to Coast AM. 173.71.151.40 (talk) 06:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Not Ready. The article is almost entirely unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

December 22

RD: Imroz

Indian visual artist and poet. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well referenced article. TwistedAxe 15:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Garly Sojo

Venezuelan professional basketball player. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ryan Minor

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

– Muboshgu (talk) 01:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support on quality, neutral on notability. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no assessment of notability, if he has an article he qualifies for RD. Stephen 01:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I see what you mean. 173.71.151.40 (talk) 06:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Ed  02:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ruth Seymour

• Nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

• Support quality is clear. Ed  02:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 07:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

December 21

RD/Blurb: Robert Solow

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Nobel prize winning economist. Thriley (talk) 06:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Dang it I was going to nominate! I've fixed a Citation Needed and removed an unnecessary section. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - nobel economist, incredibly important to economics and the study of growth and development. Article looks alright to me. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Needs ref improvement still currently. - Indefensible (talk) 19:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose There’s three paragraphs with no source. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for blurb Even then, the article is still unsourced in certain places, and depending on verifiability for those they may need a bit of rewriting. --Mr. Lechkar (talk) 15:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• The update has half a sentence of relevant prose that's not redundant to the proposed blurb, which is well short of what WP:ITNUPDATE requires, and it seems very unlikely to grow significantly. (Also, the nomination and above support predate the blurb suggestion.) —Cryptic 18:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

  Also, the proposed photo is unreasonably red. It doesn't just happen to be the way he looked, I Googled him. It's a borderline unrealistic depiction. And yes, I know it's probably the best we're free to use. But sometimes our best isn't good enough, eh? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural oppose on RD and absolute oppose on blurb, he's definitely not blurb worthy. Personally I would eliminate death blurbs entirely. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose Blurb he's not notable enough to have a blurb but weak support RD a cursory glance at the article tells me it looks alright, but the update left a bit to be desired. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, but also oppose blurb on importance; I know it's not good form to say "I've never heard of him", but I studied economics as part of my degree ... and I've never heard of him. The article doesn't help either; it suggests that he was important but not field-changing. The sentence "He was ranked 23rd among economists on RePEc in terms of the strength of economists who have studied under him" doesn't suggest it either. Black Kite (talk) 23:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD Seems sufficient enough for RD but there's no way he deserves a blurb. Kanyewestlover999 (talk) 03:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support blurb on principle, weak oppose on quality I don't know much about economics but his accomplishments seem impressive and he does seem to be recognized as one of the great economists in world history. A few uncited paragraphs, though, so this article isn't ready to be posted. NorthernFalcon (talk) 03:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Being a Nobel laureate does not make one blurb worthy. Not ready for RD either, more citations needed. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb as usual. This death is not a significant event. JM (talk) 23:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb. Economic model was named after him. Four of his students received Nobel Prizes for their own career. Sounds a worthy person for the blurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Cristina Pacheco

• Nominated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sammi Brie (talk · give credit)

Mexican journalist, writer and television personality. ~ Tails Wx 19:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support No issues. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed  20:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Cari Beauchamp

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:F197:564C:F666:3B20 (talk · give credit)

Hollywood historian and author. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:F197:564C:F666:3B20 (talk) 18:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose It's close but there’s still some unsourced info. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support quality is there and a couple unsourced sentences for uncontentious info isn't a barrier to posting, particularly when it comes to the lower-profile RD section. Ed  02:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

  a couple unsourced sentences for contentious info isn't a barrier to posting

  So we can post articles with contentious information without a source? WP:ITNQUALITY says Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 08:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

  @MonarchOfTerror: My bad, I typo'd. I meant to write uncontentious info, of course. I've corrected that above. Ed  20:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

  That makes more sense. Personally I consider some of the unsourced information contentious, but I can see why someone else wouldn't consider it contentious (hence why I weak opposed instead of a normal oppose). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Norma Barzman

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:F197:564C:F666:3B20 (talk · give credit)

Blacklisted Hollywood screenwriter. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:F197:564C:F666:3B20 (talk) 18:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The article is very short and the filmography needs sources (at the very least the documentary section, the other works are in the prose). Also the filmography needs to be ordered chronologically per MOS:LOW but that’s a quick fix and minor style issue. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jim Ladd

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:F197:564C:F666:3B20 (talk · give credit)

Los Angeles radio DJ. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:F197:564C:F666:3B20 (talk) 18:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Info: Its also worth noting he hosted Innerview, which was on many radio stations, and did compete with other radio shows of the 70s and 80s, like The Robert W. Morgan Special Of The Week and others like it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:TheCorriynial (talk • contribs) 20:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Many unsourced paragraphs and statements. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Prague shooting

• Nominated by LynxesDesmond (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jonny Nixon (talk · give credit)

Major shooting in a country that is otherwise relatively peaceful, though as the event is still very recent, there isn't a lot of info as of yet. - LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 17:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Update According to The Guardian, the death count has been updated to at least 15, and the shooter was a student of Charles University. LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Tragic event. TwistedAxe 17:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Wait for more details to come so that the article can reasonable explain what happened, but generally support, I would knclude thec30-some injuries in this as well as to show this was truly as "mass" shooting. --Masem (t) 17:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Was planning to nominate this myself. But article needs more details as it is still stub-level. Natg 19 (talk) 18:10, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Support per above JM (talk) 18:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Rare and tragic event. Celjski Grad (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support - a death toll of 16 makes this worthy of ITN. Article sourcing looks good. PhilKnight (talk) 19:00, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support as it’s a rare and tragic event with tons of media coverage.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Sufficiently expanded to post now. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Article is still in the early stages. Preferably wait a few more hours to let the article stabilise a bit. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 20:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per all above. Kanyewestlover999 (talk) 20:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Support As others mentioned a tragic event. However, the article should receive more information as time goes on. Rager7 (talk) 20:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per what others have mentioned, as this is indeed tragic. Article imo may still need a bit of expansion or copy editing. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 20:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good for something that's recent news. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support, although I think we should wait at least 24 hours for the situation to stabalize and details to emerge. ~ ONUnicornproblem solving 21:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  Posted with 16 casualties, but as per the article, 15 people have died, including the shooter, not 16. LucarioJapans (talk) 21:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  The count of 16 includes the perpetrator's father who was killed in their home earlier in the day. I agree it's a bit misleading especially since that part wasn't in Prague. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 00:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  I've dropped the number to 15. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  This morning they have corrected the death toll from the university to 13 + the perpetrator, so I have updated the blurb again. The count of 15 now includes the gunman's father which seems to have been added back following a discussion on WP:ERRORS earlier today. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Operation Prosperity Guardian

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bri (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Brandon Downes (talk · give credit), SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk · give credit), David O. Johnson (talk · give credit), Kencf0618 (talk · give credit) and GWA88 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: In response to Houthi attacks in the Red Sea, the U.S various other nations have formed a coalition reminiscent of Operation Ocean Shield. This is an intriguing story that's getting a lot of coverage that will definitely benefit our readers. — Knightoftheswords 02:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. You beat me to it by four minutes...just deleted my own nomination.

An international military coalition being formed to act on this growing problem that has been in the news a lot recently, especially with traffic in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal plummeting as a result. Not long, but not really a stub anymore, and well-cited. JM (talk) 02:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, surprised this wasn't nominated 2 days ago qw3rty 03:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The US, France, and the UK have been involved in the Yemeni Civil War for some time now. If anything, we should just put the war or it's current phase in Ongoing. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  Too Soon?

  I dont really know if this has a major impact, because those nations dont normally do a good job at keeping promises..... But, if they begin action, absolutely Support Lukt64 (talk) 03:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support | Obviously significant, major int'l coverage This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Wait The article currently describes nations, their ships and roughly where some of these ships are going. It even specifies who's in charge, to an extent. But as to what they're going to do, we learn nothing. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support on notability, but wait until it is known what this coalition will achieve. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This specific operation is a reaction to Houthi involvement in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war which includes shipping attacks which have been taking place for weeks. The details of the operation are still evolving as some nations are temporising or keeping their involvement quiet. It seems to be spillover from existing conflicts including 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Houthi–Saudi Arabian conflict, Houthi insurgency and the Shia–Sunni divide which has been going on for centuries. See List of modern conflicts in the Middle East and note that many of them haven't ended. As an encyclopedia, we should be giving the big picture not just a single limited and uncertain operation. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  This specific operation is "in the news". The encyclopedia IS giving the big picture with all those articles you've just linked to. In The News gives the part that is "in the news". JM (talk) 18:25, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  @JM2023: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 19:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  No need to direct someone to ANI just for a disagreement over a blurb. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 11:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  That's not why I directed them to ANI. This is why. Now try convincing me that there isn't a problem. BangJan1999 15:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Most of these votes I would disagree with, and a lot of them don't seem to be in the spirit of ITN, but does that really rise to ANI levels? Do you have specific diffs in mind? ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 21:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Well for starters, the user in question got topic banned from all deletion related activities a couple years ago for similar behaviour. ITN should not be any different in that regard. BangJan1999 21:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yep, that makes a lot of sense and matches his behavior here. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 21:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support cautiously, once there is a bit more information about what this is all about (they really need to come up with better operation names, though. Prosperity Guardian? Enduring Freedom? Whatever happened to Operation Hats?). _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Wait (leaning Support) This has the potential to become a flash point so it doesn't hurt to wait 24-48h for any major developments to surface. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support A military alliance of powerful countries against attacks concerning maritime commerce that are all over news should be moved ASAP Harvici 16:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose until the coalition achieves something concrete. The fact it was formed sounds promising, but there’s still nothing out of it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support: The operation is currently making rounds in the news. It's a current event as of the moment. Rager7 (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm unconvinced that a load of boats floating around waiting for something to happen is ITN-worthy. I suspect this is more likely to be posted when they actually perform an operation. Black Kite (talk) 19:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Theoretically support, but oppose for now The article needs to provide more context about the Houthi attacks that led to this operation. Also, the sentence in the “Reactions” section needs copy editing. Support The article looks good enough now & it’s easily important enough for ITN. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  I didn't see much wrong with it. Bit more common to have "nothing to fear" from a looming vague armada than "about" it, and an acronym is only useful if used afterward (AAIOUIUA). Still though, yeah, more context is needed. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  The problems I saw earlier have been fixed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 12:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support - This is a significant geopolitical development in the Middle East. GWA88 (talk) 00:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment at least 10 more countries have joined the coalition, bringing the total to more than 20, per the Current Events above. JM (talk) 01:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support meets all the bullet points outlined at WP:ITNSIGNIF. Article has potential for expansion, which isn't a barrier for ITN as it covers the topic and is well cited. Ed  03:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose at the present time. Preparing for a potential attack is not what would go into ITN, it would be if the attack (either direction) actually occurs. So if a full-scale attack actually happens, then yes, this would make sense, but right now, it is a defense move being used to try to secure stability that was weakened by the actions in Gaza. --Masem (t) 05:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
  • There are attacks, and they are happening? Ed  08:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Those are the background attacks. We didn't (really) consider posting them then and we aren't supposed to now. What (I think) Masem is waiting for lately is a full-scale "defensive" counterattack against the Houthis. Maybe it will coincide with a smaller-scale attack by them, as Gaza escalated, and we can post the tit and the tat together again. But for now, this new "side" of the hypothetical conflict is only retaliating with posture and suggestion. That's not counting any secret operations underway in Yemen right now inflicting untold numbers of casualties and damage that simply aren't "In The News", of course. And I'm not saying a lot of what goes on in that Gulf is intentionally kept silent, either, just that we can only blurb what the reliable sources want us to see and some of us aren't seeing enough destroyers destroying, just the usual repetitive rinkydink rockets. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:38, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• Ongoing would be better-suited for a long-term operation, especially given its connection as spillover of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 11:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Don't ongoings usually come from blurbs that roll off despite still being ITN-worthy? JM (talk) 23:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

December 20

December 19

RD: Joseph Henry Smith

• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Minister for Defence of Ghana from 2009 to 2013. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Norman Arthur

• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Governor of Edinburgh Castle, General Officer Commanding Scotland, from 1985 to 1988. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• There are only 226 words of prose in this stubby wikibio. Anything else to write about this person? --PFHLai (talk) 18:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gunther Emmerlich

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: German operatic bass, based in Dreasden, and TV presenter of popular shows. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support There was 2 unsourced awards but I've fixed that and the article looks good to go. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed  02:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ed Budde

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:99A8:D91A:3913:D72B (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rockchalk717 (talk · give credit) and Tails Wx (talk · give credit)

240D:1A:4B5:2800:99A8:D91A:3913:D72B (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose the article is almost entirely unsourced, with little in-text citations Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, as per Unknown-Tree. Neutral on notability. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  There is no notability requirement for RDs and recurring items. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Sourcing issues have been cleaned-up, besides one CN tag. The article seems quite thin on content. I understand that offensive guard is not a star position, but he was a five-time AFL all-star and was named to the AFL All-Time Team, so it seems like he was a prominent player; is there more that can be written abt his career besides rudimentary details? Curbon7 (talk) 09:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 and Hey man im josh: would you guys be able to help with this? Natg 19 (talk) 18:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Will try to soon if I have the time. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Current size is 1891 readable bytes.—Bagumba (talk) 01:35, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump disqualified from ballot in Colorado

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A presidential candidate being barred from running in a state is unusual, so I nominate it to be worth of discussion. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment He had absolutely no chance of winning Colorado. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:23, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I had one question. Kevinishere15 has answered it above. That makes this not very newsworthy at all. HiLo48 (talk) 05:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Absolutely not as there's already an intent to file this to SCOTUS (the CO supreme court already has stayed the order to give time for the appeal to occur), and even there, even if upheld, may be a narrow ruling applied only to the state. --Masem (t) 05:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - The US Supreme Court will get the final say on this. Besides, it's highly likely that Colorado's electoral votes will be won by the Democratic presidential nominee. GoodDay (talk) 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose While the above votes are somewhat factually incorrect (he’s also been DQed from the GOP primary, which he did have a chance of winning), Masem makes the best argument. The Kip 06:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Decision not yet finalized, almost certainly going to SCOTUS. Curbon7 (talk) 06:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Close per WP:SNOW --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

December 18

(Posted) Pope Francis allows priests to bless same-sex couples

• Nominated by 129.97.193.107 (talk · give credit)

Sorry, the blurb I wrote is not very good. Official church doctrine has not been changed. Please suggest alternatives. 129.97.193.107 (talk) 02:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose solely on lack of a standalone article and or substantive update to existing articles. Support in principle. I was looking at this earlier today but AFAIK there is no article and what has been added to existing articles is woefully inadequate for ITN. But yeah, this is a minor earthquake in the Catholic Church. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  Support There is now a dedicated article. I have updated the links above to reflect this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  Courtesy ping... @Philipnelson99, @Orbitalbuzzsaw, @The Kip, @Natg 19, @Alsoriano97, @Andrew Davidson@Joseph2302 -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Better article: 129.97.193.107 (talk) 03:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per @Ad Orientem but I'd go a little further to say that outside of the Catholic church it doesn't really mean much at all. I mean marriages can't even be blessed and unions aren't even allowed to be blessed at the same time as being conferred. It's an important step for the church but I don't think anything written yet on wiki is adequate enough for ITN. Philipnelson99 (talk) 03:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  I'm still an oppose per @Pbritti. Philipnelson99 (talk) 22:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Leaning support obviously a significant development, but would like to see expansion before it goes to FP This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per AO, but likewise support on notability. Pretty significant ideological shift in one of the world's largest religions. The Kip 05:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  @The Kip: Article appears to have been improved. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Is a monumental shift in the largest denomination of the largest world religion. Granted that if this directly legalized same-sex marriage, which it does not, that would be a stronger case for blurbing. I still support a blurb. While “Who am I to Judge” was a rhetorical shift, this is a (partial) policy shift which makes it more blurbable. Major denominations/religious organizations legalizing marriage equality are often notable enough for a blurb in my opinion.-TenorTwelve (talk) 05:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality but also disagree that this is a monumental shift. If they allowed same-sex marriage it would be blurbable. But just "blessing" gay couples is not major imo. Natg 19 (talk) 05:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Natg 19: Article appears to have been expanded. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Striking my oppose. Natg 19 (talk) 02:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality yes, it is a very important step, close to the legalisation of same-sex marriage. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose unless there's a relevant, separate article created as target. The current article is orange tagged, and thus ineligible. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Support on notability, but the article needs significant improvement --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Support on notability. This is major development. This is the largest Christian confession. Never in history of Catholic Church there was such thing, it couldn't have been thought of 10 or 20 years ago. For religious reasons, this is very important. You can have a look what was previously talked on this matter. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I recently read an interesting article about a major schism in Methodism over such issues: The United Methodist Church Comes Apart. It turns out that money is at the root of that and so church politics is much like secular politics. Meanwhile, The Economist suggests that A religious revolution is under way in the Middle East. And it's Christmas once again and that's all over the news, as usual. It all seems very Ongoing... Andrew🐉(talk) 11:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  Which article do you have in mind for Christmas 2023 that gets updated daily? JM (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  …huh? The Kip 21:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Revisiting this per the ping, I'm still not persuaded that the new article makes a significant difference. The doctrinal position seems to be much the same as before as the article states plainly that "Fiducia supplicans does not provide for changes with respect to the institution of marriage in the Catholic Church." And I'm not seeing much coverage in the media as compared with other religious issues such as the Methodist schism. The only papers that are talking about Fiducia supplicans seem to be the specialist religious press like The Tablet. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per AO, dedicated article's quality and length surprisingly sufficient. Sufficient significance. JM (talk) 18:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Would support once the article has been expanded and covers the event in great detail/impact. Weak support Article appears to have been improved significantly, however I still feel it could be expanded further. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose the article is not very good yet. (And the implications are not yet very clear, so it will be hard to quickly improve the article.)

Jahaza (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jahaza: Article has been improved since I last saw it. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as the outcome and impact are unclear. As other editors have mentioned, there don't seem to be many, if any, tangible effects. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: This is a significant event but it's hard to find non-Catholic reporting that accurately describes it. For example, many claim Pope Francis issued it, even though he didn't. As written, it also can cause confusion: are the unions permitted to be blessed (most experts and the Vatican's official statement say no, but some RSs reported it as such). ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Support weve already posted small nations, borderline microstates, legalizing same sex marriage, and this is the closest were gonna get in a whie to the biggest church in the world doing te same, and this is how people vote ? baffling. support of course — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kasperquickly (talk • contribs) 09:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Example? From what I see we have been consistently opposing posting these types of news recently since many countries have already done this. Tube·of·Light 10:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Mauritius legalizing SSM was opposed because it wasn't a first. JM (talk) 12:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, im sorry but im not going to spend the next 30 minutes or so looking it up. I think (THINK), i've seen a list somewhere of all the times we've posted LGBTQ+ legalizations on the ITN. I also think (but not sure) the smallest/more irrelevant nation that we've posted was some island micronation and the logic there was that it was either first on the continent or first muslim nation, but you'd have to double check that

in general it feels like we've posted these sorts of announcements like 10+ times for countries. Catholicism is the largest singular faith in the world i think it deserves being posted, even if it's not legalizing marriage outright (we all know that's not going to happen not in the next 10-20+ years) Kasperquickly (talk) 14:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Nor can we forget that the SCOTUS decision Obergefell v. Hodges was posted because "it's America". A mistake. But I agree with you that the legalisation of same-sex marriage is not the same in a Western country as it is in a Muslim or African country and this has to be taken into account here. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

It would have been very odd to not blurb the legalization of gay marriage in the US considering how much it was "in the news" even outside of America. JM (talk) 17:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I am not the person you're replying to but the problem with that argument is that it creates a kind of threatmill where everyone is starting to question "why are we worse than americans" that leads to the ITN being filled with election results from micronations in the pacific ocean that have 20-30 thousand people population tops and are smaller than some of the buildings in Washington D.C. Kasperquickly (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

"ITN being filled with election results from micronations in the pacific ocean that have 20-30 thousand people population" - and that's a problem why? ~ ONUnicornproblem solving 18:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

«If you don't understand why that is a problem maybe you're a part of the said problem?» - unknown Kasperquickly (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

ITN is not a news ticker but instead looks to feature quality articles about topics that happen to be in the news, with an aim to avoid the Western and English baises that come from mainstream media. That is why we consider election results from most countries as appropriate news items. Masem (t) 19:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

she was asking you what the problem with that was. I don't really understand you either. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support now a separate article that is good enough quality has been created. It's been 23 years since the DDF have done a declaration, and this one is definitely in the news. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:16, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle - but the article still needs work. I'm reasonably well-versed in this sort of thing, and I am finding the prose in the article heavy-going. Sentences like this need further revision to be clear: "All extramarital sexual relations are considered a sin by the Church and continue to be so, which is why it is asked for the affect that may exist between the two people of the same sex involved." As for the notability - (1) it's not marriage, and I don't think we're likely to see a shift there any time soon (2) but it is a truly huge organisation, with a reach on this topic that is virtually unparalleled (3) and similar moves are afoot elsewhere; last week saw the first officially sanctioned blessing of this kind in the Church of England (which like the RCC has been doing such things unofficially for a long time, but that's another story). So I do think it's appropriate for ITN, but my support is somewhat qualified. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Article now clearly up to quality standards. Massive doctrinal change in a major world religion. We listed the church's new understanding of the death penalty as well. This clearly meets inclusion standards. StardustToStardust (talk) 14:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Strongly support - Only one statement of its kind has been made in 23 years. Extensively notable news surrounding the Catholic Church and LGBT topics. ShirtNShoesPls (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support now that it has its own article and is in good condition. Good work Ad Orientem. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Several of the original opposes were based on the lack of a separate article. We have no such requirement, only that there is a decent and well sourced update on an existing article of good quality. --Masem (t) 19:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  Agreed. I think it should be added now. This is why we have "in the news" in the first place. The objections have been addressed. I don't have permissions however to do this myself. StardustToStardust (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Requesting a WP: SNOW add and close: As the large majority of objections (such as article quality) no longer apply. Does anyone want to add? StardustToStardust (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think SNOW means what you think it means. What applies here is Misplaced Pages:NOTAVOTE. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  I already changed my opposing vote to a supporting vote and it appears that the article's quality has improved a bit. I pinged the remaining "oppose on quality" users to see their feedback. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per above. Major change in the church's doctrine, and article is now ready. Davey2116 (talk) 13:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed  03:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) 2023 Iceland earthquakes and eruption

• Nominated by JM2023 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Osunpokeh (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and WeatherWriter (talk · give credit)

JM (talk) 02:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Wait Leaning support, but let's see what happens and get an idea of the long-term significance first. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  Support It's getting a lot of coverage. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Wait per AO. The Kip 05:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Wait per AO, I'd like to see what happens first. qw3rty 05:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support We've already had weeks of waiting and now it's actually happening and is in the news with live coverage by major media like the BBC. The picture is especially spectacular and, as it seems to be free for us to use, we should do so. If that particular picture doesn't work out, then we can expect many more soon. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  Sadly the licensing of the image is currently being questioned. We can't commend the people of Commons just yet for the beautiful picture, though that might still change. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  The Commons discussion already indicated that the licensing formalities are being worked out. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  As far as I can tell, the situation has been resolved as the Icelandic Meteorological Office has apparently itself clarified on its website that the images are free for use. JM (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support once Commons picture situation is worked out. The article has been detailing this event for months and is beautifully detailed and in-depth. The current major, explosive event has a good section in the article. This looks like a very appropriate feature! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  For the record, great work to the Commons team for resolving the copyright question so quickly by reaching out to the copyright holders! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support very much in the news. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support This event is literally why we have ITN. Article is of sufficient quality, and this event is being covered worldwide. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per kcmastrpc --Torsodog 16:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Support, seems very ready Aaron Liu (talk) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted I acknowledge that the media file is nominated for deletion but the case looks pretty straightforward; the file has a free license. Schwede66 20:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Schwede66 image caption should be Grindavík, not Grindavik. Note the í instead of i. JM (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC) Stephen fixed it JM (talk) 21:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) 2023 Jishishan earthquake

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Created by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Quake1234 (talk · give credit)

Significant earthquake in China. Over a hundred dead and significant destruction as a result so i believe this can be posted. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Support That is... a lot of people. Very sad. Lukt64 (talk) 00:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Support sufficient quality, sufficient sourcing, sufficient length, sufficient significance. JM (talk) 00:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Support | We don't do MINDEATHS but this is definitely qualifying This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Support. Article is in good shape and significance is there. S5A-0043 02:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Support Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 02:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support, quality is good enough and notability is well-established. Marking as ready. The Kip 03:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: James McCaffrey

• Nominated by Kcmastrpc (talk · give credit)

• Support A rather iconic voice actor whose work in the Max Payne franchise is widely known. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• Not Ready Orange tagged. The filmography is completely unsourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• There are only 261 words of prose in this stubby wikibio, and the filmography section is largely unsourced. Please expand this wikibio and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 18:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Steve Halliwell

• Nominated by 90.198.198.6 (talk · give credit)

• Support Short but adequate for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2023 Chilean constitutional referendum

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by JM2023 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Yxuibs (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PtolemyXV (talk · give credit) and JM2023 (talk · give credit)

JM (talk) 03:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Not ready, missing any update south of the lead section right now. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 03:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support when ready per CE This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The article's quality is poor as it fails to explain the matter well and there are incorrect tenses. There was a similar story last year and we didn't post that either. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• Reading the article leaves me confused on what the goals of the new constitution are and what changes it would have entailed compared to the 1980 constitution. "Contents" being a single line definitely doesn't help. Like above I think it needs expansion before it can be posted. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The referendum was rejected, so I don't see a reason to have this. Elisecars727 (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - we don't post things that don't change the status quo, unless it's ITNR. Or at least, we really shouldn't. -- Rockstone 22:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Had the far-right proposal been approved, I'd have supported. --Bedivere (talk) 23:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment just FYI we posted the failure of Australia's constitutional amendment referendum just 2 months ago; this is the failure of an entirely new constitution. JM (talk) 00:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

We *really* shouldn't have posted that either, and we only did so because of our western bias. No need to compound the issue by posting this, imo. --Rockstone 01:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that that posting was caused by western bias. Regardless, your last sentence depends on whether an editor concerned about "western bias" thinks the way to counter it is posting fewer Western articles or posting more non-Western articles. JM (talk) 02:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Chile is a Western country. Rather, it's Anglo-speakers' bias. Bedivere (talk) 02:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

My comment still applies, just replace "western" with "anglo" JM (talk) 02:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Not to derail this any further into WP:FORUM territory, but Latin America's position inside or outside the Western world is controversial and usually depends on the political view of the government. There's no right or wrong answer to this, just like there's no right or wrong answer on whether Poland is an Eastern European or Central European country. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality I think this deserves to be posted, but with virtually no detail in the "contents" section it's a long way off. The Kip 05:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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