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Talk:ZX Spectrum_graphic_modes#Summary_of_the_discussion_so_far

– New discussion. Filed by Z80Spectrum on 19:53, 10 January 2024 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Talk:ZX Spectrum graphic modes#Summary of the discussion so far (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

Z80Spectrum (talk · contribs)
Chaheel Riens (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

Everything happened on the talk page of the article "ZX Spectrum graphic modes". Multiple parts of the talk page were removed by Chaheel Riens, in a single edit, abruptly and without any prior consultations with anyone. Those parts were present on the talk page for two months, and were agreed as OK by another long-time editor of the page (4throck), perhaps not in entirety, but he gave positive opinion at least for some parts. Most of the removed parts were written by the user Z80Spectrum. Note: he registered today, previously he used IP addresses 80.80.52.*. An important part of the removed content is a computation of the ZX Spectrum palette into sRGB color-space. Note that the ARTICLE still contains some data which is the result of the said computation; such is since 2 months ago. Chaheel Riens claims that multiple policies were broken, including WP:FORUM, WP:OR, WP:NOTHOWTO. Z80Spectrum claims that Chaheel Riens is misinterpreting the policies, and provides counter arguments. User Remsense then joins into the discussion (by himself, previously not involved). He discusses with Z80Spectrum. Z80Spectrum argues that WP:OR does not apply due to triviality (WP:CALC), and that he is just improving accuracy, since previous data was equally WP:OR, but less accurate. Noone is disputing the accuracy of new computation. User 4throck is the author of the old computation, and he agreed two months ago that the new computation is more accurate. Chaheel Riens thinks he doesn't need to post any additional counter arguments to Z80Spectrum's arguments. Z80Spectrum claims that such conduct constitutes a fallacy of "proof by assertion". The discussion is quite long, but the central and most important part is in the first 11 posts after the "Summary of the discussion so far".

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:ZX_Spectrum_graphic_modes#Summary_of_the_discussion_so_far https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:ZX_Spectrum_graphic_modes#Someone_has_just_deleted_all_of_my_suggestions

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

I think that an opinion about alleged violations of WP:FORUM, WP:OR, WP:NOTHOWTO could persuade involved parties. It should include opinion whether those policies were violated. Perhaps a few short instructions what should be done with the removed content, one of: - revert entirely - revert some parts or a summary needs to be written - the removed parts should stay removed

Summary of dispute by Chaheel Riens

User is new to Misplaced Pages, and doesn't yet appreciate or understand the admittedly many different policies and processes that are in place - both official and informal, but doesn't seem willing to learn before jumping in - WP:BOLD notwithstanding.

Additions to the talk page fell foul of WP:FORUM, WP:NOTHOWTO, WP:OR, WP:OWN, and I removed them. Another editor (Remsense) has also expressed concern over the user's edits, both content and tone, but asked not to be involved in DRN so isn't listed here.

User is extremely verbose, and often meets WP:TLDR, making it difficult to follow and reply, and as it's been established that English isn't their first language, several statements have been antagonistic and rude in tone - not directly related to the issue at hand, but it does make communication strained.

This is not just a DR about the article, but is rooted in the editors actual behaviour. I've left templates on talk pages, added comments and advice, but the user is making changes without understanding why things are done the way they are done, and expects all to agree to their terms.

Talk:ZX Spectrum_graphic_modes#Summary_of_the_discussion_so_far discussion

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.

Thank you, moderator. Unfortunately, I'm confused by the UI, so I don't know what to do next. Is there something I should do, or do I just need to wait a bit more? Also, to make this quicker, I think that I do not want DRN Rule A (but I'm not sure). The reason: I would like to avoid locking the disputed article, because my estimate is that there is no edit war. I just want to hear an opinion of an experienced party. - Z80Spectrum - Z80Spectrum (talk) 21:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Zeroth statement by possible moderator (ZX Spectrum)

I have two questions for the editors. The first question is whether you are requesting moderated discussion in accordance with DRN Rule A. Moderated discussion is voluntary. Moderated discussion at DRN will only be about article content. User conduct will not be discussed. Often the resolution or orderly discussion of article content issues can permit user conduct issues to subside. If an editor really wants to discuss user conduct, they should first read the boomerang essay and then report the conduct issue at WP:ANI, but then this case will be closed, because we do not discuss issues involving the same article in two forums at once. An editor who does want moderated discussion of content should answer the second question. The purpose of moderated discussion is to improve the article. So please state concisely what sections or paragraphs of the article you want to change (or what you want left the same that another editor wants to change). Robert McClenon (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Zeroth statements by editors (ZX Spectrum)

Thank you moderator. I would prefer WP:DRN Rule B. If there are some good reasons not to use DRN Rule B, then I will consent to WP:DRN Rule A.

My opinion is that this is a dispute about article content, because the allegations of policy violations on the talk page directly affect the part of the article about colors, specifically the preferred simulated colors and values in the color-table , and also affect allowed or preferred methods to generate most images in the article, i.e. most images in the article are also in dispute. Z80Spectrum (talk) 07:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I would prefer the color-table and the related colors to stay the same as they currently are. I would prefer that the first image in the article stays as it currently is (more precisely, the methods of creation of that image should stay the same, while the content of the image is irrelevant). I would prefer that other images in the article are eventually modified (to use my preferred methods of creation), although this is neither necessary nor urgent. Z80Spectrum (talk) 08:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Besides this, I would like a definitive opinion of an expert whether WP:FORUM, WP:OR, WP:NOTHOWTO were violated, and whether the related discussion should stay on the talk page or should it be removed, so that this same argument does not need to be repeated over and over again. Z80Spectrum (talk) 08:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I removed detail from the Talk:ZX Spectrum graphic modes page here as I believe it breaches WP:FORUM, WP:NOTHOWTO and WP:OR. User Z80Spectrum - the author of the comments - thinks differently. Discussion has made no real progress. This is a content dispute brought on by differing interpretations of policies named. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

First statement by possible moderator (ZX Spectrum)

One editor has asked if we can use DRN Rule B rather than DRN Rule A. Rule B allows back-and-forth discussion. Since discussion does not appear to have become repetitive, I am willing to agree to DRN Rule B. However, they say that they want Rule B to avoid locking the article. Please read DRN Rule B again. See rule B.4. Rule B permits back-and-forth discussion, but I do not currently have a rule that leaves the article unlocked. Cases at DRN almost always involve an article that at least one editor wants to change. If a dispute does not involve changing an article, maybe it should be somewhere other than DRN. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

One editor writes:

I would like a definitive opinion of an expert whether WP:FORUM, WP:OR, WP:NOTHOWTO were violated, and whether the related discussion should stay on the talk page or should it be removed, so that this same argument does not need to be repeated over and over again.

Well, DRN is not a place to ask for a "definitive opinion of an expert", and I don't think that happens in Misplaced Pages, but the real question appears to be that User:Chaheel Riens removed 26 Kilobytes of material from the talk page that was inserted by an unregistered editor who was probably User:Z80Spectrum. I have read the Talk Page Guidelines and advise the other editors to read them. Maybe Chaheel Riens interprets the Talk Page Guidelines differently than I do. They are not clearly written. However, it is my opinion that the removal of material posted by another editor to an article talk page is only allowed under unusual circumstances, and those circumstances were not present. So the removal of the large amount of talk page material was an error. However, talk page conduct is a conduct issue, and DRN is not a conduct forum. I have no authority to reinsert the removed material.

It is not clear whether Chaheel Riens is willing to discuss article content. It is also not clear whether Z80Spectrum wants to discuss article content. If both editors want to discuss article content, they should state what changes they want to make to the article. If they do not both agree to DRN Rule B, I will close this case. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I'm applying WP:FORUM point 4 - In addition, bear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles; they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article, nor are they a help desk for obtaining instructions or technical assistance. Material unsuitable for talk pages may be subject to removal per the talk page guidelines and WP:NOTGUIDE, where I believe the posts removed breaches point 1, and possibly 6, 7 & 8. As you say - They are not clearly written and seem to be written in an exclusive style, rather than an inclusive one. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

First statements by editors (ZX Spectrum)

I agree to either or , but I would prefer .
I am willing to discuss the content of the color-table , and the images in the article.
The DRN states: "we focus on resolving disputes through advice about policy." I would like to hear an advice about policies WP:FORUM, WP:OR, WP:NOTHOWTO, related to the objections that the other editor has raised on the talk page about the contended parts of the article.

Z80Spectrum (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

About changes that I, or other editors, want to (posssibly) make to the article, they are outlined in the removed parts of the talk page: here , here and in the last three posts of this thread . Z80Spectrum (talk) 13:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I have come here under threat by Z80Spectrum who posted on my talk page - you have to answer Robert's questions. Otherwise, you leave me no choice but to report you to WP:AN. There I can also blame you for not attempting to WP:NEGOTIATE - however looking at the article history shows that I'm the last person to edit this section anyway - here, where I stated my reasoning. I'm not sure what else is required from me at this point.

I think the main problem here is that the issue covers so many different points that a single DR may not be adequate. It's not just about the content removal, but also the behaviour of Z80 Spectrum once it had been done, and the interpretation of policies that led to the removal and disagreement. If Robert thinks that this is the wrong place to cover the issue(s), then close it and let's try elsewhere. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Moderator, I have read your comment at WP:ANI . I now request, in agreement with the rules of WP:DRN, that the discussion here at DRN is immedediately closed. Also, it is my opinion that DRN is not the correct place to discuss issues related to conduct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Z80Spectrum (talk • contribs) 16:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Z80Spectrum (talk) 17:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Template:Politics of Armenia

– General close. See comments for reasoning. Filed by UA0Volodymyr on 21:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Closed as probably either declined or resolved. There is not enough information to open a moderated discussion, probably because the editors are not asking for such a discussion. Resume discussion on the template talk page. If discussion is inconclusive and lengthy, a new request can be made here. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Closed discussion
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Template:Politics of Armenia (edit \| talk \| history \| links \| watch \| logs) Users involved UA0Volodymyr (talk · contribs) Archives908 (talk · contribs) Dispute overview I proposed to remove the ugly and useless section on international organizations from the template. Basically, this section duplicates the Foreign relations section. Article on Armenian CoE membership, as well as articles of international relationship with others organizations, is already in that section, and CIS is also more optimal to be moved to this section, like it's done in the Template:Politics of Ukraine. The user rejects my changes and refers to the lack of consensus and policies forbidding having this section. I think these are not enough reasons for having this useless and senseless section. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? Template talk:Politics of Armenia#International organizations How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? Assess the feasibility of this section and my proposals, find an optimal variation of listing the international organizations in the template. Summary of dispute by Archives908 Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Not sure exactly why a dispute was opened, as there is an ongoing discussion on the template talk page. Last message I sent today was to seek clarification from the user regarding what exactly they are proposing to improve the template as it has not been very clear thus far. Admins, please note that UA0Volodymyr was recently unblocked from an indef ban due to disruptive behavior and an unwillingness to co-operate with others (see: AE discussion). Ymblanter reported the user for disruptive editing and UA0Volodymyr was subsequently blocked by HJ Mitchell. There was also an ANI for edit warring (see: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1140#Edit warring - UA0Volodymyr). The ban was lifted on 10 January 2024 by Red-tailed hawk, with conditions (topic ban and one-revert restriction). The user has already reinstated their preferred version of the template after being reverted and prior to establishing consensus (see: ). Regards, Archives908 (talk) 21:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC) Template:Politics of Armenia discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. Zeroth statement by possible moderator (Armenia) I have two questions for the editors. The first question is whether you are requesting moderated discussion in accordance with DRN Rule D. Moderated discussion is voluntary. Moderated discussion at DRN will only be about article content. User conduct will not be discussed. Often the resolution or orderly discussion of article content issues can permit user conduct issues to subside. If an editor really wants to discuss user conduct, they should first read the boomerang essay and then report the conduct issue at WP:ANI, but then this case will be closed, because we do not discuss issues involving the same article in two forums at once. If you want moderated discussion, please also read the Armenia-Azerbaijan finding. An editor who does want moderated discussion of content should answer the second question. The purpose of moderated discussion is to improve the template. So please state concisely what part of the template you want to change (or what you want left the same that another editor wants to change). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC) Zeroth statements by editors (Armenia) Thank you for your feedback, Robert McClenon, it is much appreciated. I have been trying since October 2023 to understand exactly what UA0Volodymyr is seeking to achieve in the template. They insist that they have "improvements to make", yet it is challenging to know what exactly they seek to accomplish as they have not provided a clear X to Y proposal. Out of GF, I'm still open to understand their end-goals with the template, as is evident from my last message in the template talk page discussion. However, the editing tactics of UA0Volodymyr raise concern. I know this discussion is supposed to focus strictly on content; but, I am now debating opening an ANI. UA0Volodymyr is under a strict one-revert restriction, yet they have already restored content which has been reverted (see: ) just one day after their indef ban was lifted. I am not sure how best to proceed at this point, in the interim, perhaps UA0Volodymyr can present their proposal for the template in a clear X to Y format? Regards, Archives908 (talk) 19:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC) I decline my proposals. Do with this template whatever you want. I don't want to participate in these discusses anymore. Thanks. --UA0Volodymyr (talk) 00:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it.* Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.*

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Template:Politics of Armenia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

UA0Volodymyr (talk · contribs)
Archives908 (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

I proposed to remove the ugly and useless section on international organizations from the template.

Basically, this section duplicates the Foreign relations section. Article on Armenian CoE membership, as well as articles of international relationship with others organizations, is already in that section, and CIS is also more optimal to be moved to this section, like it's done in the Template:Politics of Ukraine.

The user rejects my changes and refers to the lack of consensus and policies forbidding having this section. I think these are not enough reasons for having this useless and senseless section.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Template talk:Politics of Armenia#International organizations

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

Assess the feasibility of this section and my proposals, find an optimal variation of listing the international organizations in the template.

Summary of dispute by Archives908

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Not sure exactly why a dispute was opened, as there is an ongoing discussion on the template talk page. Last message I sent today was to seek clarification from the user regarding what exactly they are proposing to improve the template as it has not been very clear thus far. Admins, please note that UA0Volodymyr was recently unblocked from an indef ban due to disruptive behavior and an unwillingness to co-operate with others (see: AE discussion). Ymblanter reported the user for disruptive editing and UA0Volodymyr was subsequently blocked by HJ Mitchell. There was also an ANI for edit warring (see: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1140#Edit warring - UA0Volodymyr). The ban was lifted on 10 January 2024 by Red-tailed hawk, with conditions (topic ban and one-revert restriction). The user has already reinstated their preferred version of the template after being reverted and prior to establishing consensus (see: ). Regards, Archives908 (talk) 21:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Template:Politics of Armenia discussion

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Zeroth statement by possible moderator (Armenia)

I have two questions for the editors. The first question is whether you are requesting moderated discussion in accordance with DRN Rule D. Moderated discussion is voluntary. Moderated discussion at DRN will only be about article content. User conduct will not be discussed. Often the resolution or orderly discussion of article content issues can permit user conduct issues to subside. If an editor really wants to discuss user conduct, they should first read the boomerang essay and then report the conduct issue at WP:ANI, but then this case will be closed, because we do not discuss issues involving the same article in two forums at once. If you want moderated discussion, please also read the Armenia-Azerbaijan finding.

An editor who does want moderated discussion of content should answer the second question. The purpose of moderated discussion is to improve the template. So please state concisely what part of the template you want to change (or what you want left the same that another editor wants to change). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Zeroth statements by editors (Armenia)

Thank you for your feedback, Robert McClenon, it is much appreciated. I have been trying since October 2023 to understand exactly what UA0Volodymyr is seeking to achieve in the template. They insist that they have "improvements to make", yet it is challenging to know what exactly they seek to accomplish as they have not provided a clear X to Y proposal. Out of GF, I'm still open to understand their end-goals with the template, as is evident from my last message in the template talk page discussion. However, the editing tactics of UA0Volodymyr raise concern. I know this discussion is supposed to focus strictly on content; but, I am now debating opening an ANI. UA0Volodymyr is under a strict one-revert restriction, yet they have already restored content which has been reverted (see: ) just one day after their indef ban was lifted. I am not sure how best to proceed at this point, in the interim, perhaps UA0Volodymyr can present their proposal for the template in a clear X to Y format? Regards, Archives908 (talk) 19:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I decline my proposals. Do with this template whatever you want. I don't want to participate in these discusses anymore. Thanks. --UA0Volodymyr (talk) 00:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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General Collective Intelligence

– General close. See comments for reasoning. Filed by CognitiveMMA on 05:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC).

Closed as the wrong forum, and for other reasons. I concur with the comments of the previous volunteer editor. It appears that the filing editor wants a draft article which he has written accepted as an article. DRN is not a forum for discussing the acceptance of draft articles. That can be better done at the Teahouse or at the appropriate WikiProject. DRN is a forum for moderated discussion of disputes about the content of articles (and occasionally other spaces such as templates). I partly disagree with the filer's statement that Misplaced Pages is a platform for spreading ideas. Misplaced Pages, as an encyclopedia, a tertiary source, is responsible for summarizing ideas that have already been discussed by primary and secondary sources. The filer may ask the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard to clarify whether they, as an academic author seeking to publicize their own work, have a conflict of interest. At this point, the filing editor may either submit the draft for AFC review, or move the draft back to article space, but if the draft is moved back to article space, it will probably be nominated for deletion, which involves a seven-day discussion. The filing editor is also advised to ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute General Collective Intelligence (edit \| talk \| history \| links \| watch \| logs) (now Draft:General Collective Intelligence (edit \| talk \| history \| links \| watch \| logs)) Users involved CognitiveMMA (talk · contribs) MrOllie (talk · contribs) Dispute overview I am bringing this issue to dispute resolution because I believe there has been a misunderstanding regarding my contributions to the Misplaced Pages article on "General Collective Intelligence." My main argument is that as an expert in this field, my inclusion of peer-reviewed research is essential for the article's accuracy and completeness. I am not motivated by self-promotion but by a desire to share important ideas about nature's collective intelligence, which I believe can significantly contribute to global challenges such as poverty and climate change. I contend that my actions do not constitute a conflict of interest. Misplaced Pages's guidelines allow for the citation of one's work when it is relevant and peer-reviewed, which is the case here. Additionally, my article was moved to draft without clear guidance for improvement, which I find unhelpful and counterproductive. I am seeking a fair and informed review process through this dispute resolution. I believe that Misplaced Pages is a platform for spreading ideas, especially those supported by academic research, and including such content does not violate Misplaced Pages's policy against original research. My intention is to engage in a constructive dialogue to resolve this matter in accordance with Misplaced Pages's standards and practices. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? User talk:CognitiveMMA#October 2021 How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? To resolve this dispute, an impartial review of my contributions by a panel of experienced Misplaced Pages editors would be helpful. If possible, this panel might include experts in the field of collective intelligence, to ensure that the content is evaluated both for adherence to Misplaced Pages's guidelines and for its academic validity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CognitiveMMA (talk • contribs) 05:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC) Summary of dispute by MrOllie Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. General Collective Intelligence discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. Note:The filing editor does not appear to have notified MrOllie on their user talkpage. This dispute appears to be about wether the filer has a conflict of interest, and about wether what is currently at Draft:General Collective Intelligence is siutable for mainspace. Questions about wether a specific editor has a conflict of interest can be adressed at the conflict of interest noticeboard. Looking through the archives, disputes about wether a (declined / pushed back from mainspace) draft is siutable for mainspace don't appear to be a good fit for this noticeboard. Assuming the answer to the conflict of interest question is "no conflict of interest" the main way to object a unliteral draftification would be to move it back, but submitting it to AfC is also possible. If the answer to the conflict of interest question is that there is a conflict of interest, objecting to the draftification means to submit the Draft to AfC. If the draft is submitted to AfC and declined (which a since G13'd version of this draft appears to have been) or rejected, that can be discussed at the Teahouse or the AfC help desk. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC) wordling, linked G13 at Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it.* Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.*

Closed discussion

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

General Collective Intelligence (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (now Draft:General Collective Intelligence (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs))

Users involved

CognitiveMMA (talk · contribs)
MrOllie (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

I am bringing this issue to dispute resolution because I believe there has been a misunderstanding regarding my contributions to the Misplaced Pages article on "General Collective Intelligence." My main argument is that as an expert in this field, my inclusion of peer-reviewed research is essential for the article's accuracy and completeness. I am not motivated by self-promotion but by a desire to share important ideas about nature's collective intelligence, which I believe can significantly contribute to global challenges such as poverty and climate change. I contend that my actions do not constitute a conflict of interest. Misplaced Pages's guidelines allow for the citation of one's work when it is relevant and peer-reviewed, which is the case here. Additionally, my article was moved to draft without clear guidance for improvement, which I find unhelpful and counterproductive. I am seeking a fair and informed review process through this dispute resolution. I believe that Misplaced Pages is a platform for spreading ideas, especially those supported by academic research, and including such content does not violate Misplaced Pages's policy against original research. My intention is to engage in a constructive dialogue to resolve this matter in accordance with Misplaced Pages's standards and practices.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

User talk:CognitiveMMA#October 2021

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

To resolve this dispute, an impartial review of my contributions by a panel of experienced Misplaced Pages editors would be helpful. If possible, this panel might include experts in the field of collective intelligence, to ensure that the content is evaluated both for adherence to Misplaced Pages's guidelines and for its academic validity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CognitiveMMA (talk • contribs) 05:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by MrOllie

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General Collective Intelligence discussion

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Note:The filing editor does not appear to have notified MrOllie on their user talkpage. This dispute appears to be about wether the filer has a conflict of interest, and about wether what is currently at Draft:General Collective Intelligence is siutable for mainspace. Questions about wether a specific editor has a conflict of interest can be adressed at the conflict of interest noticeboard. Looking through the archives, disputes about wether a (declined / pushed back from mainspace) draft is siutable for mainspace don't appear to be a good fit for this noticeboard. Assuming the answer to the conflict of interest question is "no conflict of interest" the main way to object a unliteral draftification would be to move it back, but submitting it to AfC is also possible. If the answer to the conflict of interest question is that there is a conflict of interest, objecting to the draftification means to submit the Draft to AfC. If the draft is submitted to AfC and declined (which a since G13'd version of this draft appears to have been) or rejected, that can be discussed at the Teahouse or the AfC help desk. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC) wordling, linked G13 at Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Playboi Carti

– General close. See comments for reasoning. Filed by EphemeralPerpetuals on 18:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC).

Closed as moved to the biographies of living persons noticeboard. This dispute is about information about a living person, and there is a noticeboard for that purpose. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Playboi Carti (edit \| talk \| history \| links \| watch \| logs) Users involved EphemeralPerpetuals (talk · contribs) Moem-Meom (talk · contribs) Dispute overview Rapper Playboi Carti's birth date has been brought into question following the release of his track H00dByAir and the release of footage of an arrest in 2022. Consensus has not been reached, and editing has gone back and forth between the dates 1995 and 1996 for weeks without solid conversation. The majority of reliable sources state his birth date as 1996, but more questionable ones - such as footage of his arrest and a leaked driver's license state it is 1995. Note: It's difficult to specifically note more than one person as the majority of edits have been done by anonymous accounts - the dispute is not one that can be easily pinned down. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? Talk:Playboi_Carti#Consensus_on_Carti's_birth_year Talk:Playboi_Carti#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_January_2024_(2) User_talk:RXLFZ#Playboi_Carti_birth_year_dispute How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? I'd like an outside opinion to review the dispute and provide perspective - ideally so that a consensus can be met. I'm still a relatively new user, and I'm unsure exactly how to proceed, so if this isn't the right location to request help with this matter then please redirect me. Summary of dispute by Moem-Meom Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Playboi Carti discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. Volunteer Note - The Biographies of Living Persons Noticeboard is probably the right forum for this issue. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC) Thank you - I'll take it over there. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) 00:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it.* Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.*

Closed discussion

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Playboi Carti (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

EphemeralPerpetuals (talk · contribs)
Moem-Meom (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

Rapper Playboi Carti's birth date has been brought into question following the release of his track H00dByAir and the release of footage of an arrest in 2022. Consensus has not been reached, and editing has gone back and forth between the dates 1995 and 1996 for weeks without solid conversation. The majority of reliable sources state his birth date as 1996, but more questionable ones - such as footage of his arrest and a leaked driver's license state it is 1995.

Note: It's difficult to specifically note more than one person as the majority of edits have been done by anonymous accounts - the dispute is not one that can be easily pinned down.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:Playboi_Carti#Consensus_on_Carti's_birth_year Talk:Playboi_Carti#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_January_2024_(2) User_talk:RXLFZ#Playboi_Carti_birth_year_dispute

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

I'd like an outside opinion to review the dispute and provide perspective - ideally so that a consensus can be met. I'm still a relatively new user, and I'm unsure exactly how to proceed, so if this isn't the right location to request help with this matter then please redirect me.

Summary of dispute by Moem-Meom

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Playboi Carti discussion

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Volunteer Note - The Biographies of Living Persons Noticeboard is probably the right forum for this issue. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - I'll take it over there. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) 00:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

sensitivity analysis

– New discussion. Filed by Saltean on 18:35, 15 January 2024 (UTC).

Closed as probably premature, and for lack of notice. There does not appear to have been extended discussion on any one article page. Sometimes extended discussion on an article talk page results in agreement. Also, the filing editor has not notified MrOllie on his user talk page. Please resume discussion on an article talk page. If discussion is lengthy and inconclusive, a new case can be filed here. The filing editor is reminded to submit articles for draft review or to make edit requests to add references to their own work; they seem to have learned that; if so, thank you. Resume discussion on an article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Sensitivity analysis (edit \| talk \| history \| links \| watch \| logs) Users involved Saltean (talk · contribs) MrOllie (talk · contribs) Dispute overview This concerns a series of edit made last September 2023 by User:MrOllie and relative to a several different pages, see User_talk:MrOllie#Your_edits_of_last_September where all references to my own work have been removed. My case is that in two particular two pages Sensitivity auditing and Sensitivity analysis my own references are instead needed. In one case the references eliminated correspond to the most quoted articles in the respective discipline of sensitivity analysis (see detailed list in Talk:Sensitivity analysis). In the other case I am simply the creator of the method, please see Talk:Sensitivity auditing. I agree that COI needs to be avoided. I agree that I quoted excessively my own papers, lesson learned, and I can live with the elisions in the other pages. I ask no action there. Now I can use the edit COI template to gently reinsert at least the essential references at the two pages mentioned, but would like to note that editors such as User:MrOllie could use some restraint and especially address the authors of Misplaced Pages with courtesy. I noted User:MrOllie's hostile and confrontational tone with practically all authors, and even outside Misplaced Pages there have been complaints. I am not saying that User:MrOllie is wrong – most likely User:MrOllie is mostly right in the pertinent domains but being right gives no licence to be brusque. User:MrOllie should consider the possibility that some author is also right in his/her subject domain. Since User:MrOllie is a seasoned editor (as I am a seasoned author) I doubt this complaint of mine will make any difference, but still, it pains me that we cannot work in Misplaced Pages in a spirit of cooperation instead of one of aggressive confrontation – though, let it be clear, I met scores of polite and collaborative editors in Misplaced Pages who corrected and still correct me constructively. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? See Talk:Sensitivity analysis Talk:Sensitivity auditing User_talk:MrOllie#Your_edits_of_last_September Talk:Quantitative storytelling Talk:Ethics of quantification User_talk:Saltean#Managing_a_conflict_of_interest How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? Talking to User:MrOllie would be a good starting point. Summary of dispute by Mr.Ollie Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. sensitivity analysis discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it.* Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.*

Closed discussion

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Sensitivity analysis (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

Saltean (talk · contribs)
MrOllie (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

This concerns a series of edit made last September 2023 by User:MrOllie and relative to a several different pages, see User_talk:MrOllie#Your_edits_of_last_September where all references to my own work have been removed.

My case is that in two particular two pages Sensitivity auditing and Sensitivity analysis my own references are instead needed. In one case the references eliminated correspond to the most quoted articles in the respective discipline of sensitivity analysis (see detailed list in Talk:Sensitivity analysis). In the other case I am simply the creator of the method, please see Talk:Sensitivity auditing. I agree that COI needs to be avoided. I agree that I quoted excessively my own papers, lesson learned, and I can live with the elisions in the other pages. I ask no action there. Now I can use the edit COI template to gently reinsert at least the essential references at the two pages mentioned, but would like to note that editors such as User:MrOllie could use some restraint and especially address the authors of Misplaced Pages with courtesy. I noted User:MrOllie's hostile and confrontational tone with practically all authors, and even outside Misplaced Pages there have been complaints. I am not saying that User:MrOllie is wrong – most likely User:MrOllie is mostly right in the pertinent domains but being right gives no licence to be brusque. User:MrOllie should consider the possibility that some author is also right in his/her subject domain. Since User:MrOllie is a seasoned editor (as I am a seasoned author) I doubt this complaint of mine will make any difference, but still, it pains me that we cannot work in Misplaced Pages in a spirit of cooperation instead of one of aggressive confrontation – though, let it be clear, I met scores of polite and collaborative editors in Misplaced Pages who corrected and still correct me constructively.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

See

Talk:Sensitivity analysis

Talk:Sensitivity auditing

User_talk:MrOllie#Your_edits_of_last_September

Talk:Quantitative storytelling

Talk:Ethics of quantification

User_talk:Saltean#Managing_a_conflict_of_interest

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

Talking to User:MrOllie would be a good starting point.

Summary of dispute by Mr.Ollie

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sensitivity analysis discussion

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Hi User:Robert McClenon I left a comment on your Talk page, thanks for your help.Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 15:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Kaspersky bans and allegations of Russian government ties

– New discussion. Filed by Ilike2burnthing on 21:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Kaspersky bans and allegations of Russian government ties (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

Ilike2burnthing (talk · contribs)
Byte-ul (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

I made a contribution to the page on 7th January 2024, referenced and relevant to the topic as a whole and the section added to. On 11th January 2024 this was reverted by the new user Byte-ul (account created on the 11th) after my first and only (civil) comment on Reddit to the user (also on the 11th). Byte-ul alleged that my contribution was 'malicious' and 'vandalism', which is untrue.

After three reverts by me and four by Byte-ul (one while signed out), I opened a new topic on the Talk page to resolve the issue. Byte-ul initially replied that the contribution wasn't relevant (untrue) and that the sources were not applicable (untrue, and seemingly unread by Byte-ul as they referred to them as 'articles', which only one is).

I responded to Byte-ul's allegations in full, and their subsequent response was essentially just, "I do not agree with this contribution," followed by misrepresentations (untrue and hypocritical claims of 'personal attacks' and making edits to 'settle personal disputes').

I then asked Byte-ul to explain why they disagreed, but they never replied. However, today another IP address reverted my contribution again. The location of the IP address is similar enough to the first one that I believe it's safe to assume this is Byte-ul again. I reverted, with a note requesting that Byte-ul engage with the Talk page discussion. Byte-ul then reverted again. There has been no further discussion on the Talk page.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:Kaspersky_bans_and_allegations_of_Russian_government_ties#Resolve_claim_of_malicious_changes/vandalism

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

Hopefully a third opinion is given which both parties agree to.

I'm happy to make edits if necessary, although I'm unsure what those would entail.

Summary of dispute by Byte-ul

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Single-domain antibody

– General close. See comments for reasoning. Filed by Pmartiniberthon on 14:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC).

Closed for various reasons, including failure to list other editors, and that the requester was blocked for legal threats. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Closed discussion
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Single-domain antibody (edit \| talk \| history \| links \| watch \| logs) Users involved Pmartiniberthon (talk · contribs) Dispute overview Hello, I am the attorney of the owner of the trademarks NANOBODY and NANOBODIES. I have amended the publication to add the TM sign next to my client's trademarks to avoid its cancellation. I have been requested to establish evidence of my client's rights, which I have. Yet, I am still denied to change the page accordingly. In addition, please be advised that article L. 713-3-4 of French Intellectual Property Code dictates that : "When the reproduction of a trademark in a dictionary, encyclopedia or similar reference work, in printed or electronic form, gives the impression that it constitutes the generic term designating the goods or services for which it is registered, and the trademark owner so requests, the publisher shall indicate without delay and at the latest at the time of the next edition if the work is printed, that it is a registered trademark." My Client is simply trying to indicate that these terms are registered trademarks. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Pmartiniberthon How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? By allowing me to add the TM sign next to the terms nanobody and nanobodies Single-domain antibody discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Trademarks says Do not use the ™ and ® symbols, or similar, in either article text or citations, unless unavoidably necessary for context. It is pretty clear that Misplaced Pages does not use the ™ symbol in cases like this. Cullen328 (talk) 03:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Per the above, we don't use trademark registration symbols for Coca-Cola or Google. Misplaced Pages's non-use of trademark registration symbols has no bearing on the legal status of such marks. BD2412 T 03:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Also worth noting is that a Google Scholar search for academic papers using the term "nanobody" shows that the vast majority of these papers do not use the ™ or ® symbols. Cullen328 (talk) 03:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Even so, our clearest path may be to just eliminate all reference to "Nanobody" from the article, and use "sdAb" instead. BD2412 T 03:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC) I disagree. In my view, we need to use the terminology widely used by reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC) If a single company owns a trademark on the name for their product, then every time we use the name, symbol or not, we are effectively promoting their product — no differently than if we used "Tylenol" rather than paracetamol throughout that article. BD2412 T 04:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC) I have indefinitely blocked Pmartiniberthon for making legal threats. Cullen328 (talk) 03:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Also worth noting is that this review article Nanobodies: A Review of Generation, Diagnostics and Therapeutics, published by the National Institutes of Health, an agency of the US federal government, does not use the ™ or ® symbols. Cullen328 (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC) WP:MOSTM tells us not to use the ™ and ® symbols but it doesn't prevent stating that a certain term is trademarked by some company. For examples, see our articles on Rolex and Coca-Cola. Whether to make a statement in the article text about something being a trademark might depend on importance and would require consensus of editors. It is unpleasant to think that lawyers might be patrolling our pages insisting on recognition of trademarks. Basically we don't care and we don't see ourselves as promoting one terminology for referring to a certain product and not another. We use whatever is most likely to be recognized and understood by the reader. EdJohnston (talk) 04:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it.* Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.*

Closed discussion

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Single-domain antibody (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

Pmartiniberthon (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

Hello, I am the attorney of the owner of the trademarks NANOBODY and NANOBODIES. I have amended the publication to add the TM sign next to my client's trademarks to avoid its cancellation. I have been requested to establish evidence of my client's rights, which I have. Yet, I am still denied to change the page accordingly. In addition, please be advised that article L. 713-3-4 of French Intellectual Property Code dictates that : "When the reproduction of a trademark in a dictionary, encyclopedia or similar reference work, in printed or electronic form, gives the impression that it constitutes the generic term designating the goods or services for which it is registered, and the trademark owner so requests, the publisher shall indicate without delay and at the latest at the time of the next edition if the work is printed, that it is a registered trademark." My Client is simply trying to indicate that these terms are registered trademarks.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Pmartiniberthon

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

By allowing me to add the TM sign next to the terms nanobody and nanobodies

Single-domain antibody discussion

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Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Trademarks says Do not use the ™ and ® symbols, or similar, in either article text or citations, unless unavoidably necessary for context. It is pretty clear that Misplaced Pages does not use the ™ symbol in cases like this. Cullen328 (talk) 03:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Per the above, we don't use trademark registration symbols for Coca-Cola or Google. Misplaced Pages's non-use of trademark registration symbols has no bearing on the legal status of such marks. BD2412 T 03:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Also worth noting is that a Google Scholar search for academic papers using the term "nanobody" shows that the vast majority of these papers do not use the ™ or ® symbols. Cullen328 (talk) 03:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Even so, our clearest path may be to just eliminate all reference to "Nanobody" from the article, and use "sdAb" instead. BD2412 T 03:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. In my view, we need to use the terminology widely used by reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

If a single company owns a trademark on the name for their product, then every time we use the name, symbol or not, we are effectively promoting their product — no differently than if we used "Tylenol" rather than paracetamol throughout that article. BD2412 T 04:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I have indefinitely blocked Pmartiniberthon for making legal threats. Cullen328 (talk) 03:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Also worth noting is that this review article Nanobodies: A Review of Generation, Diagnostics and Therapeutics, published by the National Institutes of Health, an agency of the US federal government, does not use the ™ or ® symbols. Cullen328 (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:MOSTM tells us not to use the ™ and ® symbols but it doesn't prevent stating that a certain term is trademarked by some company. For examples, see our articles on Rolex and Coca-Cola. Whether to make a statement in the article text about something being a trademark might depend on importance and would require consensus of editors. It is unpleasant to think that lawyers might be patrolling our pages insisting on recognition of trademarks. Basically we don't care and we don't see ourselves as promoting one terminology for referring to a certain product and not another. We use whatever is most likely to be recognized and understood by the reader. EdJohnston (talk) 04:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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