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Like {{u|Dennis Brown}} above, I am also confused on why admins can have topic bans. ] (]) 17:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC) | Like {{u|Dennis Brown}} above, I am also confused on why admins can have topic bans. ] (]) 17:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
*If this better goes somewhere else, I apologise, and ask that it be moved. This area of WP is a little unfamiliar to me. ] (]) 17:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Evidence presented by RoySmith
Mzajac used their status as an admin to intimidate another editor in a content dispute
In Special:Diff/1193469606, during an argument which seems to be partly about a content dispute and partly about behavior, Mzajac wrote "Maybe you could try to accept the idea that I will keep editing Misplaced Pages and that I will remain an admin". To be fair, this was in response to a statement by User:Mellk that "you should not have sysop privileges". Still, it seems like an inappropriate thing to say. Admins need to be very careful to keep their content editing and admin actions distinct and avoid even the appearance that they are using their status as an admin to prevail in a content dispute. In this edit, Mzajac appears to have gone out of their way to connect them. RoySmith (talk) 18:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Red-tailed hawk
Mzajac move warred at Battle of Kyiv, has a history of other Kyiv-related issues, and continued his move war following the expiration of a topic ban
As correctly noted in the preliminary statements, Mzajac very rarely uses the administrative toolset. I also note that Mzajac was, in December 2020, topic banned from Kyiv, broadly construed, for one year. That the user took administrative actions at Battle of Kyiv, therefore, warrants close examination.
In September 2020, Mzajac engaged in move-warring in an attempt to move the then-Battle of Kiev page to Battle of Kyiv. This involved twice moving the former to the latter (1, 2), each time overwriting an existing redirect, and even after a user had reverted the admin's bold move. After the admin boldly moved the page a second time, a user reverted the admin's move-over-redirect again, telling the admin to use RM. A few months later, the user was topic banned from Kyiv, broadly construed, after an AE discussion in which evidence was presented related to the administrator's general warring over the name of the Ukrainian capital.
One might think that all of this would be enough to change behavior, and to get the administrator to uphold the heightened standards of behavior that are expected of administrators. Alas, one would be wrong.
In February 2022, a mere three months after Mzajac's topic ban from Kyiv timed out, the user used his deletion tool in order to free up the page for a page move, despite knowing that the page move would be contested. And, even though the page move was contested, and the result was no consensus, the administrator did not so much as lift a finger to self-revert their third bold move of the page. Rather than attempting to gain consensus at any point during this multi-year process, the administrator has used advanced permissions to get a Kyiv-related page renamed to his preferred version as a fait accompli. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Tamzin
Mzajac was unresponsive to AE in 2020 and was TBANned
All users are expected to respond in a timely fashion to inquiries at WP:AE, and administrators are expected to respond in a timely fashion to any concerns about their conduct. Mzajac fell short of both of these expectations in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive277 § Mzajac. Ymblanter initiated the thread on 1 December. After 15 days of Mzajac evading scrutiny, El_C closed the thread with a topic ban, writing
Yesterday, I found to my disappointment, that Michael has continued to edit disruptively in the topic area, even as participants (including yours truly) patiently awaited his reply here. A highly unusual (and frankly, bizarre) thing to do, not to mention for someone with advanced permissions. Certainly, not to his credit. Earlier today, Michael made a brief statement that offered no explanation for, well, anything. That, too, is not to his credit. As has also been discussed in this report, because Michael is an admin, he may yet face further scrutiny and censure from the Committee itself.
-- Tamzin (they|xe|she) 04:09, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Mzajac was unresponsive to AE in 2022 and was strongly criticized
When Ymblanter brought Mzajac back to AE in 2022, Paul Siebert explicitly requested Mzajac's participation, in addition to the baseline expectation. Mzajac replied
composing a reply to this enforcement request will take more of my time and attention than individual article edits in spare moments. I hope you can appreciated that this is serious and not something I can just rattle off
He said nothing further in the remaining five days of the thread's pendency. Dennis Brown, in closing the thread, wrote
In my opinion, the behavior of Mzajac (as an admin) was extremely subpar and it appears to be an ongoing issue. We just can't do anything about it here. Only WP:RFAR may review instances of "Repeated or consistent poor judgment" outlined in WP:ADMINACCT. Whether it is ripe for Arbitration or not, I do not know, as that is a pretty high threshold. I'm not going to bother to warn or instruct Mzajac, for as an admin, they are expected to know what the standard of conduct is, even when they have so woefully failed to live up to it.
-- Tamzin (they|xe|she) 04:09, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Mzajac was dismissive of ADMINCOND concerns in this case, even while acknowledging unfamiliarity with admin policies
Mzajac's response to being told they had improperly reversed another admin's deletion of their own redirect was to complain that editors would react so aggressively against a name that made fun of a media corporation
and to describe the arbitration proceedings as over the top
. In a subsequent comment he wrote that he would have assumed using admin tools was appropriate since the deletion was performed apparently against process, without any discussion, and after had contested the speedy deletion nomination
, a fundamental misunderstanding of both WP:RAAA and WP:INVOLVED. He then protested that the basic policies at play were too complicated: Yes I guess see where it violates the rule now that I have untangled these arbitration allegations and reviewed what wheel warring means. But to be honest, I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about which of the interface elements I have had access to for much of two decades are non-admin, admin, or add-on gadgets. I try to follow the rules as I know them and only take actions that seem warranted. As this did.
-- Tamzin (they|xe|she) 04:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Dennis Brown
Failure to be accountable
During the AE discussion brought up earlier by Tamzin that was closed by me , the singular statement made by Mzajac was: "Re: User:Paul Siebert, composing a reply to this enforcement request will take more of my time and attention than individual article edits in spare moments. I hope you can appreciated that this is serious and not something I can just rattle off. —Michael Z. 04:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)" and I closed it almost 5 days later in the only way I could. Between the time that he made that statement and when I closed the discussion, Mzajac made a number of edits elsewhere on the English wiki, (59. I believe ) to such pages as Minsk agreements, Talk:Russia–Ukraine relations, and others in the same topic area. This isn't cleaning up a few loose ends because he is busy in RL, this is willful disregarding ADMINACCT at a board set up to review Arbitration matters.
On a more personal note, I am puzzled why we have admins that have topic bans to begin with. Dennis Brown 2¢ 12:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Evidence presented by AirshipJungleman29
RoySmith's evidence unfairly misrepresents Mzajac
I am uninvolved with the topic area and the editors in the dispute. I find that RoySmith's evidence above uses unfairly misrepresents Mzajac by saying their invocation of their admin status was a statement of power. clearly shows that Mellk first brought up Mzajac's mop in a discussion on Talk:Russia: "And this is coming from a sysop". Six minutes later, Mellk posted on Mzajac's talk page with a diff from that conversation. The Mellk-initiated discussion about Mzajac's sysop status then continues on that page. I fail to see how Mzajac could have "gone out of their way to connect " when they were, at most, responding to the connections of others.
Like Dennis Brown above, I am also confused on why admins can have topic bans. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- If this better goes somewhere else, I apologise, and ask that it be moved. This area of WP is a little unfamiliar to me. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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