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== Population in lead section ==

I noticed that a contributor has changed the lead section of the ] article just recently. The Liverpool lead section now only includes Liverpool's local authority population and the population of the official city region. Having looked at the ] and ] articles, I notice that their lead sections make reference to the wider metropolitan area.

To quote the Birmingham article lead section: "The wider metropolitan area has a population of 4.3 million, making it the largest outside of London." The citation is worldpopulationreview.com

To quote the Leeds article: "The city is part of the fourth-largest built-up area by population in the United Kingdom, West Yorkshire Built-up Area, with a 2011 census population of 1.7 million" The citation is ONS Census 2011. The WY Built-up Area is out of date and is not calculated any more. But I am wondering if this needs to be in the lead section as an editor has removed mention of Liverpool metropolitan area from its lead section.

I am sure there are many many examples on wiki where city articles make reference to a wider 'urban region' or metropolitan area.

Should we be aiming for consistency in these articles? ] (]) 10:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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Dubious? Discuss?

What's the part for metro and urban populations which is classed as dubious? Is this as a comparison to the built up area or the county of West Yorkshire? DragonofBatley (talk) 16:21, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

I do not believe the UK place infobox is best suited for Leeds and similar articles about a city eponymous with its local government district.

Using the standard infobox as was previously used allows multiple area and population statistics to be shown for the different definitions of Leeds. For example, the settlement itself, the city, and the metropolitan area, so that the distinctions are clear.

Using the UK place infobox is likely to be confusing as only the population and area for the central settlement are given. Although this is one definition of Leeds, alternative definitions include the surrounding towns and villages within the metropolitan borough. The data for all these definitions should be visible in the infobox.

I would support a transition back to the former infobox, possibly with the information altered to more clearly emphasise the central settlement, which I understand to be the main argument for the change.

My argument also applies to Sheffield.

Green450 (talk) 21:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Green450: This was discussed at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject UK geography#Leeds and Bradford infoboxes and per Misplaced Pages:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements#Infobox the other infobox is only used when the district is combined with the settlement such as Leicester, all others like Canterbury, Carlisle and Lancaster, Lancashire. I would support modifying {{Infobox UK place}} so that the other figures can be added, this would also be useful in cases like Hatfield Peverel where there is data available for the BUASD, BUA and parish. @Keith D: is it possible to modify Template:Infobox UK place so that the population (and area) and thus resulting population density can be specified for 2 or 3 different figures rather than just 1? Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Culture

Why is culture covered further on the Leeds article than the Culture of Leeds article. Shouldn’t the information be swapt round. Chocolateediter (talk) 16:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I’ve swapt the art sections for this article and Culture of Leeds#Art since the Leeds article version was longer than the article that is meant to expand further than the main Leeds article. Chocolateediter (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Trade

Debenhams have closed their department store in the centre of Leeds. The original business was liquidated. Only an online shop remained. Hamy01 (talk) 14:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

GLAM/LEEDS 2023

Hello all, I'm working on a piece of paid wiki-work for Leeds 2023 as part of the legacy of the year of culture (see here). Images are due to be shared to Wikimedia Commons in the next few weeks, and there are three articles now sent to AfC. I'll keep you posted. Lajmmoore (talk) 15:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Infobox images: we've lost the Town Hall

Leeds Town Hall is such an icon of the city that it is used in media as a "this is Leeds" setup shot, so it really ought to be in the infobox. Preferably as the shot which will appear as the banner for the article when seen on a mobile (there is a formula for this: it's the first image with a particular ratio of length to height: at the moment Leeds Dock is showing up). I see that on Jan 1st the Town Hall was prominent. Please replace it. I won't get into edit wars on this but bring it to the attention of @DragonofBatley, @Chocolateediter and @Murgatroyd49 who seem to have been editing the images lately. Yes, it's a difficult building to photograph as it's so vast, but this one is recent and looks good (though it's not landscape-format so won't get priority): lots of others to choose from on Commons. One way or another, we really need the Town Hall up there. Thanks. PamD 17:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

erm it's been readded. I dunno why it was gone but I wanted to maintain the minster since it is a prominent landmark by Leeds Dock which is also in lead photos. DragonofBatley (talk) 21:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
@DragonofBatley Thanks.It appears as the leading image on mobile too. PamD 00:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Glad I got that right, wasn't sure how the mobile image was selected for display. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Population in lead section

I noticed that a contributor has changed the lead section of the Liverpool article just recently. The Liverpool lead section now only includes Liverpool's local authority population and the population of the official city region. Having looked at the Birmingham and Leeds articles, I notice that their lead sections make reference to the wider metropolitan area.

To quote the Birmingham article lead section: "The wider metropolitan area has a population of 4.3 million, making it the largest outside of London." The citation is worldpopulationreview.com

To quote the Leeds article: "The city is part of the fourth-largest built-up area by population in the United Kingdom, West Yorkshire Built-up Area, with a 2011 census population of 1.7 million" The citation is ONS Census 2011. The WY Built-up Area is out of date and is not calculated any more. But I am wondering if this needs to be in the lead section as an editor has removed mention of Liverpool metropolitan area from its lead section.

I am sure there are many many examples on wiki where city articles make reference to a wider 'urban region' or metropolitan area.

Should we be aiming for consistency in these articles? Liverpolitan1980 (talk) 10:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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