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* {{article|Derek Smart}} - ] a long time detractor of video game developer ] continues to add libelous and poorly sourced material in the article which is protected by ] guidelines. Time and time again such material has been removed by myself and other editors, but they keep doing it. This is the same behavior they had on the Usenet and which led to a complete breakdown of serious discussions on various gaming threads. It was already established by other editors who , that his only reason for being on the page is to cause disruption, libel this person and prevent the article from being an npov one. The article was recently in ArbCom and the decision was clear as they pertain to following the rules. Yet, those rules are being adhered to by everyone but him. Here is , as well as and . There are many more like that in which him and another editor ] repeat these actions. Can someone here PLEASE stop by and set this straight? ] 12:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

: The above IP address leads to host-208-60-251-161.fll.bellsouth.net in Florida which is Derek smart's own ISP. Hence the above statement is likely from Smart himself and has to be taken with a grain of Salt. Regarding Huffman, Huffman has never edited the article per se as his edits shows. Huffman has joined in the discussion page only which is perfectly permissable. Anonymous IP addresses like the above from bellsouth were banned by arbcom from any editing of the ] article due to edit warring.] 13:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Once again, please stop ignoring the Wiki rules and doing the same that got an RFc filed against you before (by another editor). You and Huffman are attempting to taint not only the article but also the talk page. Which is one of the reasons why the article ended up in ArbCom. That ruling has been largely ignored by your and your friends. It is easy to accuse someone of being Derek Smart just because they oppose you. Fact is, the article history shows that I am not the first and only editor who has raised this issue about the behavior of you and your friends. Quite a few established Wiki editors have in fact done the same and the evidence is right there on the article's archives. ] 14:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

: The very first sentence of this complaint, claiming that ] has edited the ] article, is completely in error. The rest of the complaint, it seems to me, suffers from similar truthiness issues. Anyone reviewing this case should be sure to note ], where the arbitration committee held that both Derek Smart ''and his surrogates'' are banned from editing the article, although they are welcome to edit the talk page. ] 19:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

: I believe the complaint is regarding posts where I have only attempted to respond to issues that the anonymous poster himself has raised. He falsely accused me of making a couple of false statements, I just addressed those items and the anonymous poster then makes the claim that defending myself is violating ]. I also responded to the anonymous poster's suggestion that Dr. Smart's Ph.D. should be referenced in the article even though there is no ] for the Ph.D. validity since Dr. Smart refuses to reveal the school that bestowed the degree. The anonymous poster has frequently deleted my comments and comments from others from the talk page. Whoever, looks at this might consider explaining to the anonymous poster that deleting discussion on the talk page is not a very constructive way of trying to convince other editors over to your views. Regards, ] 22:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'd just like to comment that not only has Mr Huffman been editing appropriately - i.e. only to the talk page, but ] is being misapplied here. None of the material is prima facia libelious, and the talk page is the correct place to discuss its merits. The anon editor, who is presumably Derek Smart, is misguided in removing it from the talk page without discussion. --] 20:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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As noted by other editors, the ] ] report was false. There have been no edits to the article since March 27. ] ] 23:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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* {{article|Darius J Pearce}} - No evidence of claimed 'attributed legislative change'. No citations in support of numerous comments. No notable reason for page existence. Should be removed. {{unsigned|Aim Here|14:44, April 3, 2007 (UTC)}}

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* {{article|John T. Reed}} - I am a bit concerned as I have deleted some slanderous comments from this talk page twice but they've been reverted back in by an apparently serious editor. Also that ] who put the comments in has some personal score to settle. May be safest to delete the page or page history. --] ] 17:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Disagree with deletion of the page. --] 06:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|T. Padmanabhan (Writer)}} - This BLP swings from one end to another. At one place the subject is called a trend setter and at another place he is described as egoistic. No sources quoted // ] 14:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:I removed both the positive and negative opinions because they were just opinions, and uncited too. ] 04:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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==] {{blpwatch-links|Antony Flew}}==
* {{article|Antony Flew}} - The article for Antony Flew is libelous. See the details at the discussion page under the title "This article is libelous". The article is not objective, gives a point of view (discrediting Antony Flew which is OK but Misplaced Pages is not the place to do this). Moreover, it is poorly written. This is a violation of the Misplaced Pages policy and I would like the article to be rewritten in a more impartial way. finsalscollons ] 09:52, April 8 2007 (UTC)

: Some who have edited the article seem to have forgotten that it is a ], not a philosophy article. The longest section, which needs ruthless pruning, gives ] to material which is itself excessive—e.g. that first introduced in by and about Richard Carrier, one of those who are most determined to discredit the subject. ] ] 04:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

::Yes. He seems to be 84 years old and 70% to 80% of the article is a discussion of one statement that he made when he was 80. ] 10:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

As per both the ] and ] policies, I pruned this bio of the philosophical hatchet jobbing, improved upon the references, added a 1984 book which hadn't been listed (though, strangely, one of its chapters had been), etc. ] ] 06:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

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* {{article|Purushottam Nagesh Oak}} - This article presents P.N.Oak in a negative bias (associated with Hindutva, etc) and presents critics that only make personal attacks. Furthermore, all supporters are labeled as "Hindu" in a way that takes away from their credibility. Despite attempts to undo this on many occasions and present it in as neutral as possible manner, the changes are constantly undone by
* {{userlinks|Paul Barlow}} - who refuses to support those claims with ] as per ] guidelines. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 00:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC).</small> {{spa|Kkm5848}}

:I made a few changes in the wording to make it more neutral. This guy really does stir up a lot of passions. ] 10:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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* {{article|Gwen Stefani}} - The entire Gwen Stefani entry is filled with offensive language and incorrect information. It needs to be changed ASAP! <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 05:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
: I think you must have seen the article in a temporarily vandalized state; the vandalism has been reverted. I see nothing obviously wrong with the article right now. ] (]:]) 07:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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Derek Smart – False report. – 03:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The following is an archived Biographies of living persons incident concerning the article above Please do not modify it.

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  • Derek Smart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - User:Bill Huffman a long time detractor of video game developer Derek Smart continues to add libelous and poorly sourced material in the article which is protected by WP:BLP guidelines. Time and time again such material has been removed by myself and other editors, but they keep doing it. This is the same behavior they had on the Usenet and which led to a complete breakdown of serious discussions on various gaming threads. It was already established by other editors who created a small history of Huffman's actions, that his only reason for being on the page is to cause disruption, libel this person and prevent the article from being an npov one. The article was recently in ArbCom and the decision was clear as they pertain to following the rules. Yet, those rules are being adhered to by everyone but him. Here is today's episodes, as well as yesterday's and yet another. There are many more like that in which him and another editor User:Kerr Avon repeat these actions. Can someone here PLEASE stop by and set this straight? 208.60.251.161 12:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The above IP address leads to host-208-60-251-161.fll.bellsouth.net in Florida which is Derek smart's own ISP. Hence the above statement is likely from Smart himself and has to be taken with a grain of Salt. Regarding Huffman, Huffman has never edited the article per se as his edits shows. Huffman has joined in the discussion page only which is perfectly permissable. Anonymous IP addresses like the above from bellsouth were banned by arbcom from any editing of the derek smart article due to edit warring.Kerr avon 13:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Once again, please stop ignoring the Wiki rules and doing the same that got an RFc filed against you before (by another editor). You and Huffman are attempting to taint not only the article but also the talk page. Which is one of the reasons why the article ended up in ArbCom. That ruling has been largely ignored by your and your friends. It is easy to accuse someone of being Derek Smart just because they oppose you. Fact is, the article history shows that I am not the first and only editor who has raised this issue about the behavior of you and your friends. Quite a few established Wiki editors have in fact done the same and the evidence is right there on the article's archives. 209.214.20.148 14:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The very first sentence of this complaint, claiming that User:Bill Huffman has edited the Derek Smart article, is completely in error. The rest of the complaint, it seems to me, suffers from similar truthiness issues. Anyone reviewing this case should be sure to note Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Derek Smart, where the arbitration committee held that both Derek Smart and his surrogates are banned from editing the article, although they are welcome to edit the talk page. Nandesuka 19:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I believe the complaint is regarding posts where I have only attempted to respond to issues that the anonymous poster himself has raised. He falsely accused me of making a couple of false statements, I just addressed those items and the anonymous poster then makes the claim that defending myself is violating WP:BLP. I also responded to the anonymous poster's suggestion that Dr. Smart's Ph.D. should be referenced in the article even though there is no reliable source for the Ph.D. validity since Dr. Smart refuses to reveal the school that bestowed the degree. The anonymous poster has frequently deleted my comments and comments from others from the talk page. Whoever, looks at this might consider explaining to the anonymous poster that deleting discussion on the talk page is not a very constructive way of trying to convince other editors over to your views. Regards, Bill Huffman 22:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to comment that not only has Mr Huffman been editing appropriately - i.e. only to the talk page, but WP:BLP is being misapplied here. None of the material is prima facia libelious, and the talk page is the correct place to discuss its merits. The anon editor, who is presumably Derek Smart, is misguided in removing it from the talk page without discussion. --Haemo 20:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

As noted by other editors, the COI SPA report was false. There have been no edits to the article since March 27. — Athænara 23:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The above is an archived Biographies of living persons incident concerning the article above. Please do not modify it.
Darius J Pearce – Article deleted. – 03:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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John T. Reed – Inactive. – 03:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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John T. Reed

Disagree with deletion of the page. --PeterMarkSmith 06:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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T. Padmanabhan (Writer) – Inactive. – 03:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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T. Padmanabhan (Writer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - This BLP swings from one end to another. At one place the subject is called a trend setter and at another place he is described as egoistic. No sources quoted // Weblogan 14:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed both the positive and negative opinions because they were just opinions, and uncited too. Steve Dufour 04:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The above is an archived Biographies of living persons incident concerning the article above. Please do not modify it.
Anthony Flew – Resolved. – 03:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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  • Antony Flew (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - The article for Antony Flew is libelous. See the details at the discussion page under the title "This article is libelous". The article is not objective, gives a point of view (discrediting Antony Flew which is OK but Misplaced Pages is not the place to do this). Moreover, it is poorly written. This is a violation of the Misplaced Pages policy and I would like the article to be rewritten in a more impartial way. finsalscollons 83.53.126.58 09:52, April 8 2007 (UTC)
Some who have edited the article seem to have forgotten that it is a biography, not a philosophy article. The longest section, which needs ruthless pruning, gives undue weight to material which is itself excessive—e.g. that first introduced in August 2005 by and about Richard Carrier, one of those who are most determined to discredit the subject. — Athænara 04:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes. He seems to be 84 years old and 70% to 80% of the article is a discussion of one statement that he made when he was 80. Steve Dufour 10:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

As per both the neutral point of view and biographies of living persons policies, I pruned this bio of the philosophical hatchet jobbing, improved upon the references, added a 1984 book which hadn't been listed (though, strangely, one of its chapters had been), etc. — Athænara 06:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The above is an archived Biographies of living persons incident concerning the article above. Please do not modify it.
Purushottam Nagesh Oak – Inactive. – 03:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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I made a few changes in the wording to make it more neutral. This guy really does stir up a lot of passions. Steve Dufour 10:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Gwen Stefani – Simple vandalism reverted. – 03:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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I think you must have seen the article in a temporarily vandalized state; the vandalism has been reverted. I see nothing obviously wrong with the article right now. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
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