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== Including North African Jewry in the Holocaust ==
More recent scholarship of the Holocaust and of the plights of Jews in Italian-occupied Libya and Egypt and French Morocco, Tunisia, and Algeria considers the events in North Africa to be a part of the Holocaust. How can we reflect this in the lead? Can we change the opening, defining sentence to include North Africa? Or include European territories in Africa? Like: {{tq|The Holocaust was the genocide of Jews in Europe and European territories in Africa during World War II.}} <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span>]<span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> 05:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please make note it was not JUST the Jewish population they attempted to exterminate. It was Poles, Romani, Catholics, Gays, Mentally Unfit, and fundamental lessers that were actively sought, corraled, and murdered.
To only note this as the Jewish is a reprehensible shortcoming. Do better.
It was not just the Jewish.
There were dozens of "groups" of citizens deemed unworthy by the German Reich. To not list them as well is a disservice to the horror many experienced just because they weren't Aryan enough. 50.76.156.177 (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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Request to change wording in fourth sentence of Background.
Current:
- "By the early twentieth century, most Jews in central and western Europe were well integrated into society, while in eastern Europe, where emancipation had arrived later, many Jews still lived in small towns, spoke Yiddish, and practiced Orthodox Judaism."
Proposed Change:
- "still lived" to "continued to live"
Reason:
- Proposed version shows less of a bias or inclination towards assimilation. "Still" can give a sense of inevitability. Both are true but "continued to" is more neutral.
view · edit Frequently asked questions
Q1: Why does this article have The in the title? Most articles don't.
A1: The name The Holocaust is common usage. Article titles follow subjects, not other articles. See also previous discussions on the question, linked in the move banner below.
Q2: The Holocaust was not only about Jews; the total death toll was more like 11+ million.
A2: As it says in the lead sentence which defines the scope of the article, the Holocaust "was the genocide of European Jews during World War II". As explained elsewhere in the lead and body, "separate Nazi persecutions killed a similar or larger number of non-Jewish civilians and POWs". As also explained in the lead and the body, "the term Holocaust is sometimes used to refer to the persecution of these other groups"; such uses of the term Holocaust constitute "significant minority views" as explained in Misplaced Pages's WP:NPOV policy. In accordance with WP:NPOV policy, Misplaced Pages states the mainstream view in its own voice, while also explaining significant minority views.
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Not done: This is clearly covered in the article. In fact, it's in the first paragraph of the lead. Meters (talk) 20:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Done ![[REDACTED]](https://u3vuiephb.global.ssl.fastly.net/File:Disclogo1.svg){kind=link}