Misplaced Pages

Talk:Killing of Yahya Sinwar: Difference between revisions

Article snapshot taken from[REDACTED] with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editNext edit →Content deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 08:05, 18 October 2024 editDukeOfDelTaco (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users20,064 edits →top: ITN template← Previous edit Revision as of 08:59, 18 October 2024 edit undoAbo Yemen (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users9,105 editsNo edit summaryNext edit →
Line 1: Line 1:
{{Talk Header}} {{Talk Header|bot=ClueBot III|age=9}}
{{Old XfD multi {{Old XfD multi
| date = October 17, 2024 | date = October 17, 2024
Line 24: Line 24:
| minkeepthreads =5 | minkeepthreads =5
| format = %%i | format = %%i
}}
}}{{Archives|bot=ClueBot III|age=90}}
<!-- Template:Setup cluebot archiving --> <!-- Template:Setup cluebot archiving -->


Revision as of 08:59, 18 October 2024

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Killing of Yahya Sinwar article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
Article policies
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Archives: Index, 1Auto-archiving period: 3 months 
Articles for deletionThis article was nominated for deletion on October 17, 2024. The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator.
This topic contains controversial issues, some of which have reached a consensus for approach and neutrality, and some of which may be disputed. Before making any potentially controversial changes to the article, please carefully read the discussion-page dialogue to see if the issue has been raised before, and ensure that your edit meets all of Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Please also ensure you use an accurate and concise edit summary.
Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. Parts of this article relate to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing the parts of the page related to the contentious topic:

  • You must be logged-in to an extended confirmed account (granted automatically to accounts with 500 edits and an age of 30 days)
  • You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on this article (except in limited circumstances)

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

If it is unclear which parts of the page are related to this contentious topic, the content in question should be marked within the wiki text by an invisible comment. If no comment is present, please ask an administrator for assistance. If in doubt it is better to assume that the content is covered.

In the newsA news item involving Killing of Yahya Sinwar was featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the In the news section on 17 October 2024.
[REDACTED]
Misplaced Pages
This article is rated Start-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject iconMilitary history: Asian / Middle East / Post-Cold War
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history
B checklist
This article has not yet been checked against the criteria for B-class status:
  1. Referencing and citation: not checked
  2. Coverage and accuracy: not checked
  3. Structure: not checked
  4. Grammar and style: not checked
  5. Supporting materials: not checked
To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call:
  • | b1<!--Referencing and citation--> = <yes/no>
  • | b2<!--Coverage and accuracy   --> = <yes/no>
  • | b3<!--Structure               --> = <yes/no>
  • | b4<!--Grammar and style       --> = <yes/no>
  • | b5<!--Supporting materials    --> = <yes/no>
assessing the article against each criterion.
Associated task forces:
/ 
Taskforce icon
Asian military history task force
Taskforce icon
Middle Eastern military history task force
Taskforce icon
Post-Cold War task force
WikiProject iconIsrael Low‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related
LowThis article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Project Israel To Do:

 Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
WikiProject iconPalestine Low‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Misplaced Pages. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related
LowThis article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject iconIsrael Palestine Collaboration
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of the WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, a collaborative, bipartisan effort to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. For guidelines and a participants list see the project page. See also {{Palestine-Israel enforcement}}, the ArbCom-authorized discretionary sanctions, the log of blocks and bans, and Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars. You can discuss the project at its talk page.Israel Palestine CollaborationWikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationTemplate:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationIsrael Palestine Collaboration
WikiProject iconDeath Low‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath
LowThis article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject iconCrime and Criminal Biography: Terrorism
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the Terrorism task force (assessed as Low-importance).


Pics

Hi. Im from Israel. On news channel appeared pics confirming body of dead Sinwar, so he is 100% dead. Can add this to article? 46.116.159.109 (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide sources on this Abo Yemen✉ 15:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm not defending Sinwar or anything, but I find it a bit jarring that this page was created before his death was even officially confirmed. If Israel ultimately denies his death, Misplaced Pages will look rather silly. :) Psychloppos (talk) 16:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Sources on his death already exist and if for the highly unlikely chance that it appears that this is just IDF propaganda, we can just AfD this article Abo Yemen✉ 16:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes of course, but I just find it surprising that we created this article before we could even be sure (as I write it has been confirmed so that's fine) Psychloppos (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Welcome to the milhist side of[REDACTED] Abo Yemen✉ 17:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Article name

Should the term Assassination be used instead of Killing? Abo Yemen✉ 15:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

We also have the flowchart at Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (violence and deaths), which goes into some detail and can be useful for these situations - there is no mention (and thusly no consensus, on that page anyways) for use of "Assassination" - the bar for that would be significant use of the term in reliable sources, as noted in this essay: Misplaced Pages:Assassination ASUKITE 16:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
I'll wait to see what most sources say once his death is confirmed before I open an RM Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
We should check the rationale which led to choosing the name Killing of Osama bin Laden and see which name would be more fitting here. Psychloppos (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Use of the term assassination typically requires the target to have been tracked down and the people doing the killing to know the identity of who they're going after at the time of the killing. Everything so far indicates that some Israeli soldiers got in a gunfight with some unidentified Hamas fighters, killed three, and when checking the bodies realized one might be Sinwar.
If they had gone in knowing it was Sinwar then the word assassination would make sense, but only learning he was there from identifying his body after the fact would negate most common uses of the term. 170.203.213.40 (talk) 19:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Agree. Moreover, if the term "assassination" is not used for the article about bin Laden's death even though the Americans were definitely going after him, then it shouldn't be used for this article either. Psychloppos (talk) 19:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Assassination implies a targeted killing of a particular individual, this however was completely coincidental as the IDF had no previous information about sinwar's presence nor was the operation carried out specifically with the intention of eliminating him Waleed (talk) 01:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Not confirmed

the article claims the DNA has been confirmed to be Sinwar, it cites 2 sources both of which only report that testing is to take place. Neither claim there ist confirmation by DNA this should be corrected 2A02:3037:269:7676:A860:48F:243C:6510 (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Abo Yemen✉ 15:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Assassination

Killing of Yahya Sinwar > Assassination of Yahya Sinwar 178.81.55.110 (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
See my comment above under Article name ASUKITE 16:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
sorry for duplicate 178.81.55.110 (talk) 16:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Analysis section

Moved from User talk:Abo Yemen § Analysis section – Abo Yemen✉ 16:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Please restore the "Analysis" section as it has been confirmed that Sinwar is the dead person who was photographed. EpicAdventurer (talk) 16:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. Fences&Windows 20:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Location of Sinwar’s death.

Coordinates are listed to be in central Rafah. He died in a building in Tel Al Sultan, in 31.3055, 34.2467

source: Geolocation Source: Stinky1300 (talk) 03:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Executed > Killed_Killed-20241018045200">

It is inappropriate to say that he was "executed". He was killed in a firefight. 2001:8003:3443:E000:6DC6:E7D8:6005:9095 (talk) 04:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)_Killed"> _Killed">

Categories:
Talk:Killing of Yahya Sinwar: Difference between revisions Add topic