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This article has several references to ], also cited as “Information Telegraph Agency of Russia,” a biased source that’s unacceptable. TASS may be acceptable for direct quotations of the Kremlin, but not about any facts or events in Ukraine, including statements by Russian militants with whom the Kremlin obscured its true relationship. These should be tagged as unreliable, removed, and replaced with reliable sources. ] (]) 17:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
This article has several references to ], also cited as “Information Telegraph Agency of Russia,” a biased source that’s unacceptable. TASS may be acceptable for direct quotations of the Kremlin, but not about any facts or events in Ukraine, including statements by Russian militants with whom the Kremlin obscured its true relationship. These should be tagged as unreliable, removed, and replaced with reliable sources. ] (]) 17:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Specific phrases please? ] (]) 17:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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RM, War in Donbas → War in Donbas (2014–2022), Moved, 5 June 2022, discussion
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Infobox end date
What's the precedent for a war being subsumed by another war? When there's a battle, there's start and end dates, and you can implicitly tell its part of a larger war, but titling an article "War in <location>" and having an end date in that infobox seems to suggest the "war" ended, when it didn't actually end, that phase of the war was eclipsed by the much larger invasion. Also, I don't think the "Major combat operations phase ended on 20 February 2015" is very relevant, there was sporadic levels of fighting all throughout 2014-2022. MarkiPoli (talk) 19:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Great idea: I don't know why the "subsumed" thing was totally removed from the article, as if nothing of particular importance happened in 2022. And as for the conflict subsumption: the recent examples include the various ethnic conflicts in Myanmar (Karen , Kachin etc) being subsumed by a all-country Civil war with a new major and largely non-ethnic actor People's Defence Forces. Similar thing happened to ethnic conflicts in Sudan with the inception of 2023 Civil war. These conflicts didn't end, but their context changed markedly. Gorgedweller (talk) 12:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
I've changed it again to keep the end date but include the explanatory note that the term "War in Donbas" generally only covers events up to the start of the invasion. I've also removed "Major combat operations phase ended", as this seems redundant now. </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 13:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add something like "pro goverment partisans" to the ukranian side on the "units involved" list in the infobox.
This are Ukrainian sources and they attribute it to a government entity (RNBO), a member of Rada and a member of Aidar battalion. Considering that almost 10 years have passed since then, I'd suggest to look for a confirmation in more reliable and less biased sources.
Also I would suggest adding information to the article itself first and if it becomes apparent that it was happening on a large scale it can be added to the infobox. Alaexis¿question?20:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Borodai in the lede
I'm not sure his words about 50k Russian citizens are lede-worthy. Borodai, as a direct participant, is essentially a primary source and Euromaidan simply repeats his assertions without any analysis.
The topic itself - how many Russian citizens participated in the war is important and I'm not against discussing it in the lede. However we should provide a summary of high-quality secondary sources. We have quite a few of them already. Alaexis¿question?22:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Composed in large part of Russian citizens
@Alaexis, @Nihlus1, regarding source request , this The Palgrave Handbook of Contemporary Geopolitics - Google Books p. 154 says In reality, the conflict was fought between, on one side, Ukrainian-speaking and Russian-speaking ethnic Ukrainian and ethnic Russian Ukrainians having national allegiance to Ukraine against, on the opposing side, a minority of Ukrainians with massive Kremlin support having primary allegiance to Russia (Kuzio, 2020, pp. 106–133).
The article now makes a very specific claim, that the forces that seized government buildings composed in large part of Russian citizens crossing the border into Ukraine. I wouldn't be too surprised if it were true, but the sources you've brought up here make different claims. They talk about the conflict in general rather than about the initial unrest. They also don't say anything about the Russian citizens being a large part of the separatist forces, whether in the beginning or subsequently. Alaexis¿question?20:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
References to TASS
This article has several references to WP:TASS, also cited as “Information Telegraph Agency of Russia,” a biased source that’s unacceptable. TASS may be acceptable for direct quotations of the Kremlin, but not about any facts or events in Ukraine, including statements by Russian militants with whom the Kremlin obscured its true relationship. These should be tagged as unreliable, removed, and replaced with reliable sources. 142.160.96.197 (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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