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::I have an interest in many articles, especially controversial articles; specifically, improving and/or contributing to them, and ensuring that said articles do not contain OR or synthesis. I have also added other redirects (e.g., Scopes Trial book). I did not know others have tried this before for LBU. Is there a problem with redirecting LBU to the Louisiana Baptist University article? If so, I apologize. I don't recall adding a <nowiki>{{totally-disputed}}</nowiki> anywhere. I was merely subjecting the LBU article to scrutiny, especially since it seemed to be dedicated to a single aspect: LBU is not accredited. In one case, I did commit the gaffe of not noticing one of the references had multiple pages, and I apologized profusely about that. I really don't have any opinion on whether the article itself should stay or go, but if it stays, it should meet[REDACTED] standards. Since I am not an expert at interpreting these standards, and also because even if they are violated, such violations can be addressed without wholesale deleting, I add tags and bring up issues in the discussion page. I have been wrong more than once, but have probably been right more than once. I tried to have a civil tone with ]. But I can see that he is annoyed. Therefore, I decided to stop editing the LBU article and hope things calm down by tomorrow. Please AGF. ] 05:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC) ::I have an interest in many articles, especially controversial articles; specifically, improving and/or contributing to them, and ensuring that said articles do not contain OR or synthesis. I have also added other redirects (e.g., Scopes Trial book). I did not know others have tried this before for LBU. Is there a problem with redirecting LBU to the Louisiana Baptist University article? If so, I apologize. I don't recall adding a <nowiki>{{totally-disputed}}</nowiki> anywhere. I was merely subjecting the LBU article to scrutiny, especially since it seemed to be dedicated to a single aspect: LBU is not accredited. In one case, I did commit the gaffe of not noticing one of the references had multiple pages, and I apologized profusely about that. I really don't have any opinion on whether the article itself should stay or go, but if it stays, it should meet[REDACTED] standards. Since I am not an expert at interpreting these standards, and also because even if they are violated, such violations can be addressed without wholesale deleting, I add tags and bring up issues in the discussion page. I have been wrong more than once, but have probably been right more than once. I tried to have a civil tone with ]. But I can see that he is annoyed. Therefore, I decided to stop editing the LBU article and hope things calm down by tomorrow. Please AGF. ] 05:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Also, is this standard operating procedure to intimate that users are sockpuppets? Another user insinuated that I was a sockpuppet of ]. Hostile place, wikipedia. Live and learn. ] 05:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


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The volume of corporate vanity/vandalism which is showing up on Misplaced Pages is overwhelming. At the office, we are receiving dozens of

phone calls *per week* about company, organization, and marketing edits which are reverted, causing the non-notable, but self-aggrandizing authors, to scream bloody murder. This is as it should be. However, I am issuing a call to arms to the community to act in a much more draconian fashion in response to corporate self-editing and vanity page creation. This is simply out of hand, and we need your help.

We are the #14 website in the world. We are a big target. If we are to remain true to our encyclopedic mission, this kind of nonsense cannot be tolerated. This means the administrators and new page patrol need to be clear when they see new usernames and page creation which are blatantly commercial - shoot on sight. There should be no question that someone who claims to have a "famous movie studio" and has exactly 2 Google hits - both their Myspace page - they get nuked. Ban users who promulgate such garbage for a significant period of time. They need to be encouraged to avoid the temptation to recreate their article, thereby raising the level of damage and wasted time they incur.

Some of you might think regular policy and VfD is the way to go. I am here to tell you it is not enough. We are losing the battle for encyclopedic content in favor of people intent on hijacking Misplaced Pages for their own memes. This scourge is a serious waste of time and energy. We must put a stop to this now.

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Why

Why is this image unfree? How can I know that? can you explain it to me please? can we use this image in another section in the preity page???? dondoniko

Wild Law (book)

Thank you for your comments. You were right, I had not sourced the book adequately (I'm new to this and appreciate the guidance). I hope you find the article now suitably improved with the names of respected scholars and thinkers (three of whom are notable enough to have Misplaced Pages articles written about them, including a Nobel Peace Laureate) who have written about the book; the details of several major conferences based on the actual book itself (with speakers who are members of the British parliament, professors and heads of legal departments at universities, and other distinguished and renowned individuals); and the non-trivial mention in several legal publications and national newspapers. --Lesley Fairbairn 09:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for your comments on the AfD page for this book. I was happy to establish the notability of the book but I am perplexed by some the other comments left there and would appreciate your advice on how I might improve the article further. The comments I refer to are:
"The article reads like an advert for the book, which is not what WP is for."
"until the "spammy" feeling can be dealt with, I have to go with weak delete"
"It needs cleanup"
"too promotional in nature"
Thank you for your time, if you are able to donate some to this. If not, thank you for your previous contributions. --Lesley Fairbairn 08:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

High School Article Edit Mistake

Montini Catholic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I was hoping to get you to stop deleting the picture I put up of my school's old class shirt. I created that page originally as a means of giving my school some notoriety. The page has been mutilated and changed by numerous people and it's getting monotonous to run around hoping to get people to allow me to leave my page up. I thought the pictures would be a nice visual artifact of the school. I sincerely hope you realize the value of these pictures to my page and how they help, meagerly though it may be, to complete the picture of my school. Thank you. You can e-mail your response to juniorgamer@hotmail.com or my page. Thanks.

No chance. A picture of an unofficial shirt produced by one year's alumni is simply unencyclopaedic. Guy (Help!) 06:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me for chiming in here JzG, but doesn't the stated purpose of the page ("a means of giving my school some notoriety") violate one of the basic principles of WP? Articles are supposed to be about notable topics, not to create notability. There seems to be no assertion of notability. Is there some precedent that would stop a high school article from being deleted? --JJLatWiki 15:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Precedent in terms of schools is that some people will fight tooth and nail to keep any school article because their religion holds that all school sare inherently notable, but you are more than welcome to try, if you have your asbestos suit to hand. Guy (Help!) 19:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I received your response and I wanted to clarify that, in fact, those shirts were school approved and officially a part of school history. In other words, they are every bit as much of Montini history as is a picture of our founder or list of past president's. Eris11 21:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Ridiculous nonsense. My old school tie might just about qualify as encyclopaedic, since the school is over a thousand years old, but a single-year T-shirt is absolutely not in the same league as a picture of the founder, and only an idiot would suggest it was. Guy (Help!) 21:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The recent Dr. Steel AfD

Guy, I have to admit dissent with your deletion. Aside from the consensus to keep, the article at least had some notability attributed to them. I for one was willing to assume good faith on the edits, but granted you seem to note that it appears to be an astroturfing move from his promotional people. I'm tempted to take this to DRV, but want to get your thoughts on this before deciding whether to do so. Is there something I'm missing? --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 00:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tobias Conradi

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Redirected page to ITIL Security Management

Hello, I am not sure I understand why you redirected the page Computer_security_incident_management to ITIL_Security_Management. Incident management is the general area and I am working on an entry specific to computer incidents. I understand that my initial efforts went to far in the how-to direction and I am working on correcting this. The ITIL page is a general overview and not quite on-topic.

I have restored the page. I am working on this article and would appreciate any helpful comments on its discussion page. Thank you. Tanjstaffl(talk) 06:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

  • There were two problems, actually: too much how-too and excessive reliance on a single organisation as source for the term. I am part of the incident response team at a Fortune 500 company specialising in business continuity (tha's probably a giveaway in itself) so I will be along and see if I can help. Guy (Help!) 08:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

List of IRA members

Hi, Guy. You'll no doubt recall the discussion on Talk:List of members of the Irish Republican Army about the redlinks. I posted 3 alternative suggestions there on 13th April. After 6 days, noone had proposed an alternate solution, so I posted (on the 19th) to say I was going to go with option 2. This morning, I created this page (unwieldy title, I know), copied the redlinks there, checked them, changed them where necessary, and removed the dodgy reference. I also removed a couple of bluelinks from the original list that went to wrong people/disambig pages. And then I created a link to the new preparation page here.

User:One Night In Hackney, despite not offering any alternative suggestions in the past, immediately put a speedy delete tag on the new preparation page for "breach of GFDL" and has been reverting my addition of the link to the new preparation page.

I am finding it extremely difficult to WP:AGF at this point. Any suggestions or intervention welcome. Bastun 12:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I've made a clear statement as to why the page isn't needed, all that is needed is a link to an older version of List of members of the Irish Republican Army before you removed the redlinks. Given your previous disruption on several IR related articles, you seemingly don't act in good faith at all. One Night In Hackney303 12:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

User:One Night In Hackney has now arbitrarily moved the article to User:Bastun/list, despite his own 'speedy' tag and my 'hangon' tag and a debate on its talk page. Bastun 13:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

(Link doesn't seem to work - try this) Bastun 13:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, as a project member I don't want the page in project space. I stated I would do it, and you failed to reply. One Night In Hackney303 13:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
It should also be noted that you arbitrarily created it there in the first place, and you're not a project member. We don't need the page, it serves no purpose. We didn't ask for it, we don't need it, you created it, if you want it you can have it in your user space. One Night In Hackney303 13:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Guy, FYI, please see here. Bastun 15:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, please see that policy confirms the reliability of the source. One Night In Hackney303 15:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Merger is deletion

It is absurd to say infer that nothing is deleted when a merger takes place. One might as well argue that nothing is lost when a country is conquered because the land is still there, albeit as part of a different country. Brandon97 20:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Merger is not deletion. Deletion involves an administrator clicking the Delete button. Your example is precisely correct: nothing is lost. Same people, same place. Those with a deep commitment to the name of a thing may well find that unacceptable, but those whose focus is on utility may well not even notice. When the Romans conquered most of Europe, most of Europe thought it was a good thing, since it brought order. Guy (Help!) 20:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you JzG

Thank you for posting some very heartfelt and useful information on my talk page. Truly, it helped me understand a lot which I just did not know.

However, I still am not sure if I have been able to get my complaint through to the right sources regarding the behavior of Arbustoo in making the entry of "firewalking" misleading and inaccurate.

I notice that Arbustoo has censored and removed all the evidence in the logs since I filed my complaint. Also, he has just removed all the previous firewalking information that conflicts with his POV and rewrote the firewalking entry so it only expresses his own point of view. This is a terrible reflection on Misplaced Pages's integrity. Instead of citing recognized authorities, he cites magicians and discredited theories that have been withdrawn by their proponents. This man is a liability to WP.

Here is a copy of my original complaint, thought the logs I refer to have been changed (by Arbustoo?) since I tried to complain.

I am requesting arbitration because I believe the integrity of Misplaced Pages is being compromised.

WP posted a request to improve the entry on “Firewalking.” My name is Tolly Burkan. I am an expert on firewalking and you can inspect my credentials online using any search engine.

Since I have the qualifications to make a meaningful contribution on the subject, I of course responded to your solicitation for improvements to your entry.

I may be an expert on the subject of firewalking, but I am a novice in making submissions to WP. I apparently made many mistakes with symbols and protocol. I asked for guidance and an editor named Arbustoo responded.

However, Arbustoo soon began making changes, deletions and additions that made my contributions seem unintelligent and ridiculous. I did some research, and found that the same points I found frustrating were being experienced by others.

For example, I am the founder of the Firewalking Institute of Research and Education. We are a non-profit educational institution designated 501(c)(3). When I posted educational information and cited our archives, Arbustoo accused me of commercial and personal postings.

First of all, that is tantamount to a libelous accusation of fraud. If Arbustoo believes we are engaging in illegitimate activities, he should complain to the IRS and the Secretary of State to whom we report regularly. My personal site is www.tollyburkan.com. There is no connection between my personal site and our non-profit site… none… nothing… no links… never were.

When you check the logs, you will see that I asked questions about this and was told ”This is getting tiresome. Last friendly warning don't add your personal website to any more articles.”

Since firewalking.com is NOT my personal web site, my very legitimate questions went unanswered and I was threatened that if I asked again, something unfriendly would happen.

This is not the way to get experts in their field to contribute to WP.

In other words, Arbustoo is saying you cannot cite anything appearing in National Geographic Magazine, or on their web site, because they take in hundreds of millions of dollars and have built a luxurious office building for themselves. They sell magazines and charge for commercials on their TV shows. Such “commercialism” thus makes their stories unfit for being cited in WP.

The Firewalking Institute of Research and Education is not a cyber-location. We have a brick and mortar campus and must pay to maintain it. Arbustoo has no idea of how non-profit educational public benefit institutions work and he should not be allowed to make these arbitrary rulings without oversight.

Furthermore, he has no qualifications to be monitoring areas where his misunderstandings can only lead to dis-serving the public at large. He has inserted undocumented ideas that are absolutely false. He cites dis-credited theories in spite of having been supplied with accurate information. This is like citing a sermon on virtue given by a priest before he was sent to prison for abusing children. If you inspect the logs, they speak for themselves.

The result is that WP has an entry for firewalking that is a hodge-podge of inaccurate information. It is so disgraceful, I am ashamed to be associated with it. It states facts that Arbustoo knows are false… check the logs. For example, I corrected a typo in citing the longest firewalk… it is not 340’. I changed it to 328’, which is accurate information. Arbustoo changed it back to 340’… even though there is no proof for that figure. So it is with most of the article.

Now that I understand how unprofessional, unregulated and out of integrity Misplaced Pages is, I cannot imagine using it as a resource or recommending it to others.

After scanning several google stories, I can see that my experience is not unique.

I am neither confrontive nor vindictive by nature, but feel that you need to develop a better system of policing your editors… especially people like Arbustoo who have discredited your noble enterprise and alienated established experts who might otherwise have made valuable contributions. If he has indeed made valuable contributions himself, he should at least be limited to areas he is familiar with.

How you resolve this is no longer important to me as I doubt I will be returning to your site again anytime in the near future. I’ll probably check back in a few years to see whether or not improvements have taken hold.

With sadness, Tolly Burkan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tollyburkan (talk • contribs) 15:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

So Tolly searched google and found Gastrich's posts. Tolly read my user page about that. That seems to be your general problem, using unreliable sources to support what you choose to believe then adding it to wikipedia. Arbustoo 18:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

The Jeopards (German band)

He doesn't get it does he? One Night In Hackney303 16:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Why does this keep getting A7'd? The assertion of notability is completely clear. --badlydrawnjeff talk 18:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you'd like to provide some independent sources to substantiate any of the claims in the article, which keep getting added each time it's posted again? One Night In Hackney303 18:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind, but that also doesn't matter for A7s, which don't require sources. --badlydrawnjeff talk 18:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Jeff I know you like to see articles on any band, but this one has a bit of a history. See the deletion logs for The Jeopards and The Jeopards (band) and I'm also sure there's another page I can't remember the name of, and also the talk page of the editor who keeps creating the article before he blanked most of it. There's an articles for creation for it here, and another request here, and an AfD for it here. Guy quite reasonably told the editor in question to either stop posting the article or take it to deletion review. One Night In Hackney303 19:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
No, I don't like to see "articles on any band," but I do like to see A7 worked properly. Given the speedy deletion of the article on the AfD, that seems to be a non-starter. I'll give JzG the benefit of the doubt for the moment and hope that he undeletes the original article and sends it to AfD, but I will DRV this if he says no - this appears to be improper, and it seems like the multiple deletions are only creating confusion, since the article has enough information to save it from a speedy, but it keeps getting speedied anyway. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Well how about....given the current article wouldn't survive AfD, you take the information that can be found in here, add some sources in userspace and take it to DRV, otherwise it would be a bit of a waste of time. I did take it to AfD myself as you hopefully noticed, and another editor recommended it for speedy as well. One Night In Hackney303 19:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know whether the article could survive AfD, I can't predict the future. It should have never been speedy deleted. I'll simply request the undeletion, and, failing that, it will go to DRV. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, please don't waste your efforts on articles which have been reposted multiple times by single purpose accounts. Guy (Help!) 21:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't especially care who posts it. I'm assuming this is a no? --badlydrawnjeff talk 21:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm bringing this to DRV, JzG. Sorry. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

From your user page

Thank you JzG

Thank you for posting some very heartfelt and useful information on my talk page. Truly, it helped me understand a lot which I just did not know.

However, I still am not sure if I have been able to get my complaint through to the right sources regarding the behavior of Arbustoo in making the entry of "firewalking" misleading and inaccurate.

I notice that Arbustoo has censored and removed all the evidence in the logs since I filed my complaint. Also, he has just removed all the previous firewalking information that conflicts with his POV and rewrote the firewalking entry so it only expresses his own point of view. This is a terrible reflection on Misplaced Pages's integrity. Instead of citing recognized authorities, he cites magicians and discredited theories that have been withdrawn by their proponents. This man is a liability to WP.

With sadness, Tolly Burkan

What percentage?

What to you constitutes a "reasonable minority of the scientific establishment?" Martin (Talk Ψ Contribs) 20:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Softpedia. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Honordrive 21:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

BLP proposal

Guy, your comments on this BLP proposal would be appreciated. It's straightforward, easy to implement, and it would help solve some of our BLP issues. SlimVirgin 04:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Karen L. Nyberg

This article has been substantially expanded and cited. If this has addressed your concerns, would you be willing to withdraw the nomination in light of the improvements to allow for a speedy close? Serpent's Choice 09:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Well done. It pisses me off no end when people create articles with "X is a singer" or "X is an astronaut" or whatever and no other content, without making any attempt at an actual article. Why should we care? Anyway, concerns now addressed and an actual article results, which is always good. Guy (Help!) 10:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Block of User:Codex Sinaiticus

I am a new admin here, brought in to participate in the edit dispute. I must confess that I do not understand this block. As I understand it, there is an edit dispute going on in Noah's Ark. User:Codex Sinaiticus, a proponent of Biblical literalism, has been disputing whether the article introduction and other elements are sufficiently neutral as to the truth of the Biblical account. As part of this dispute, he put a {{totallydisputed}} tag on the article. Following this, you blocked User:Codex Sinaiticus for "contentious editing".

I am concerned about this block in three respects. First, I believe that procedure calls for an administrator who is a party to an edit dispute on an article to bring in a neutral admin to initiate a block involving on another party as a result of that dispute. Secondly, because User:Codex Sinaiticus had participated in discussion on the edit dispute -- this is not a case of vandalism or complete disregard of the community -- and because the maintenance tag involved a legitimate indicator to mark the presence of a dispute, I do not understand how User:Codex Sinaiticus' use of the tag, even if wrong, was a violation of policy meriting a block. Thirdly, immediately after the block, edits that had been the subject of discussion, such as changing the introduction to characterize the Biblical account as a "story", were made to the article, and I honestly think that there is some arguable merit to the idea that this language makes the intro less neutral. Suggest that block requests go to an outside administrator not involved in the request. Also suggest that if the dispute is escalating to the point where people are losing their WP:COOL, we bring it to RfC or otherwise bring in some fresh eyes to take a look. Thanks! Best, --Shirahadasha 15:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Codex Sinaticus insists that the categories category:Abrahamic mythology and category:mythological ships are unacceptable. When the category mythological ships was reinserted he slapped a POV tag on the whole article. When his small edit, which involved adding one subjheading and removing the category again, was reverted, he slapped a {{totallydisputed}} tag on it - ion other owrds, an assertion that the difference between his edit and the version deemed quite acceptable to others, of a featrured article no less, was so enormously significant as to render the article both factually inaccurate and biased. He has been told repeatedly that his behaviour is disruptive and he has already been blocked at least once for edit warring. He is on the fast-track to sanctions unless he changes his behaviour radically in short order. I am not a party to the edit dispute, I hadno edits at all to that article prior to CS posting to the admin noticeboard to solicit action against Jim62sch, who has been trying patiently to get CS to calm down and act rationally. I know Jim well enough to be pretty sure that he would be in the right - he is not given to unnecessary warnings - so I went along to help. Guy (Help!) 16:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Given the existence of the RfC about the categories, what's the problem with informing the public that a dispute exists? Do you believe the RfC is illegitimate? He appears to be following standard procedures, and would seem to be entitled to their benefit. Best, --Shirahadasha 16:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
No, i do not believe the RfC is illegitimate, but using aggressive editing in the article space rather than discussing the issues on the talk page is a problem. There is a long history here, my point, so the leash becomes shorter. Basically, Codex should know better and is therefore held to a higher standard. David D. (Talk) 17:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Agree with David. Codex has a history of being disruptive and has pulled similar stunts in the past. A single category dispute does not justify repeatedly slapping on a large template, especially when one has done little effort to actually discuss the matter. JoshuaZ 20:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Precisely that. His response is completely disproportionate to the scale of the dispute, and it also fails to reflect the emerging consensus on the talk page. Add to that a dose fo forum shopping and you have a textbook case of tendentious and disruptive editing. Guy (Help!) 21:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Could you deal with this please? Bit too much of a COI to do it myself, or perhaps I'm not rouge enough. – Steel 16:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

List of members of the Irish Republican Army

There is no consensus to remove the redlinks - each of the people that is added to the list is sourced and will in due course have an article, also I am adding details or a summary bio to each of the redlinks.--Vintagekits 17:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
The reference is disputed, as you can see on the talk page, and mere membership of the PIRA does not confer notability. Bastun 17:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Who is contesting the reference, why are they contesting the reference and where is this discussion?--Vintagekits 17:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I am, Guy is; Guy explains why below, I've explained why here, and Guy has commented on the source there too. Bastun 21:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The source is almost certainly ineligible - self-published sources are acceptable in articles about themselves, but this article is not about that book, it's about members of the PIRA. There is no doubt that a hagiography of the PIRA will be both iredeemably biased and therefore unsuitable as a source, and also well out of, line with Misplaced Pages standards on the importance of individual members. It is, in short, an atrocious basis for an article. Start with those who have articles, and add only those for whom there is a realistic chance of independent sources existing. It's unliekly that the book will be wrong in asserting that a person explixitly identified as an IRA member was such, but the list is badly flawed in containing many individuals who were never members of the IRA as such. Overall, it gives a very strong impression of soapboxing. Guy (Help!) 21:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
  • You are the one soapboxing and you are the one that hasnt got a clue what you are talking about. If you have such a poor grip of a subject then I politely suggest that you refrain from editing on those subject. As for "self-published sources" - who was it "self published" by? Your ignorance with regards this issue is deafening and also I suggest that if you cannot check your own bias as the door then you should not be using your powers as an admin to promote and incorrect and ignorant POV. --Vintagekits 09:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Nice ad-hominem. Now back to the real world. The book is polemical, a clearly celebratory story of the IRA, and is not obviously a reliable source other than about itself. The article includes individuals whose notability appears not to be established outside of that single, highly biased source. I have no particular interest in celebrating the IRA or its "martyrs", and the article looks to me a lot like soapboxing. The fact that you seem intent on personalising the dispute suggests that you may have an emotional investment in the subject which may not be conducive to neutrality. Obviously you would prefer to recruit an admin who agrees with you, and you are welcome to do so if you can find one, but I will probably not lose interest in this just yet. Guy (Help!) 17:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • This is not about "recruiting an admin who agrees with me" this is about your ignorant view of the book - which has been used as a source by what the likes of you would consider a "very reliable source" - you have not provided any evidence that the book is not a reliable source and as you are a self confessed British and Protestant admin then I dont think the you are neutral when discussing a group that was formed to defend itself from a British and Protestant militia - you have obviously swallowed all the British propaganda that you have been feed throughout your life and this is evidences by your above posts. Either stick ot the facts and check your own POV at the door or else I suggest you busy yourslef elsewhere. good day to you!--Vintagekits 09:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Ah, this is one of those irregular verbs, isn't it? "I have a thorough appreciation, he misunderstands, they misrepresent, you are ignorant". A history of the IRA designed for families of the IRA is not really what the community had in mind when they wrote WP:RS, and you have (and I can positively guarantee this) absolutely no idea whatsoever about my views on the history and politics of the Troubles. None at all. Although I will give you this for nothing: anyone, protestant or Catholic, who believes that killing is justified by territorial ambition, is not reading the same Bible as I am. Seems to me this discussion is at an end. You appear to have decided that I am wrong, evil, biased and biogoted, based on the fact that I disagree with you about this source. You view that as evidence of a problem in me, I view it as a problem in you. There is no real likelihood of that changing. Guy (Help!) 12:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Showing your ignorance again 1. The book is not "A history of the IRA", 2. The book was not "designed for families of the IRA".--Vintagekits 16:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I fully understand what you said - I just thought I would point out that everything you have said is factually incorrect and then go on to finish the conversation the full stop . --Vintagekits 16:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Was think the same thing about you - the only difference is that I know what I am talking about and you regrugitate the propaganda you've been feed since you were a kid instead of actually bothering to find out the reality. I'm finished with you now and wont be replying.--Vintagekits 16:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
  • So you say. But you do not constitute a reliable source. The Observer is tolerably trustworthy, and it describes the book as "a 368-page tribute to every IRA member to die in Northern Ireland's Troubles" - in other words, no discrimination in respect of notability (as I said), a blatantly partisan view (as I said) and its reliability is questionable as it claims membership for individuals who are explicitly not identified as members in other works which are considered authoritative.

Other portraits of dead IRA volunteers in Tirghra also contradict claims that several of the victims of loyalist terrorism were not involved in the IRA.


They include Danny Cassidy, a 40-year-old Sinn Fein election worker shot dead by the UDA in Co Derry on 2 April, 1992.

In the book Lost Lives, the definitive index of all the Ulster Troubles' dead, the authors mark Cassidy as a Catholic civilian. It quotes a priest at his funeral who said: ' was killed simply because he was a Catholic.'

But in Tirghra Cassidy is referred to as an 'oglach' - the Irish word for soldier and thus a Provisional IRA volunteer.

"Verifiability, not truth" as they say. Where is your source to contradict this view by The Observer's Ireland editor? Here's a source for the idea that the primary intended audience was the families of the dead: . Now of course these sources coule be wrong, or I could be mistaken in my reading of them, but certainly not to the extent of justifying your tirade above. At the very worst this is a disagreement over interpretation of sources, but actually it looks to me form the external evidence as if you are pushing a barrow. One thing's for sure, tributes to dead terrorists written in uncritical commemoration of their acts are not generally going to be viewed by the Misplaced Pages community as reliable sources. Scholarly analysis and critical review is much preferred to polemic, in my experience. Guy (Help!) 16:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Question About School Articles

Hello,

I had contacted you a couple of months ago regarding the article I posted for Rosati-Kain High School: http://en.wikipedia.org/Rosati-Kain_High_School . I am still fairly new to Misplaced Pages and I have been unable to find an answer to the following questions anywhere else on Misplaced Pages and I was hoping you might be able to help. If this is not your area of knowledge, I don't wish to bother you, but if you do know the answers, I would be very grateful.

I have been researching a few other schools in the area and I have found several of them to have articles on Misplaced Pages. These articles are linked to what I understand to be a "stub" article on schools in Missouri. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_high_schools_in_Missouri . My question is, how can I make the listing of Rosati-Kain a link to this "stub"? Several of the schools listed have articles that link to the name of their schools on this list, and I would like to do the same with ours, but I have been unable to do so.

In addition, I have noticed that several schools similar to ours have pages that seem to present the same type of information as ours does, however, they do not have the "factual accuracy disputed" label. Here is an example of one, though there are several others: http://en.wikipedia.org/Incarnate_Word_Academy_%28Bel-Nor%2C_Missouri%29 . I have several sources I could cite, but none of them are online, so I could not include links to the original references when I created the article. But, if other schools are not required to include the same such references, why are we?

I am certainly not trying to get away with anything that is not within Misplaced Pages policies, and I am not trying to make an arguement out of it either. I guess I am just curious as to how these policies specifically apply to schools, since it seems as though my article does not do anything that other Missouri high schools aren't doing already with their articles. Yet, we are labelled "disputed" for it.

Any help to these two questions is appreciated, although if you do not know the answer I understand. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Annie Hafner (talk • contribs) 20:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks. I have asked my question on that discussion page, so hopefully someone can help me. I appreciate the response. Annie Hafner 18:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Blabbermouth.net

I hadn't quite gone that far, but I was trying not to be judgemental.  :) Corvus cornix 23:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Gastrich

AthurR3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) first ever edit added Gastrich interview after it was removed. Arbustoo 04:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Still in our midst: someone added "Dr" (LOL) Jason Gastrich on several articles. Also view a Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dryve (second nomination), an article created by Gastrich about his favorite subject-himself. Arbustoo 04:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Fascist Wikipedians

I would like your rationale as to why you decided to delete the Fascist Wikipedians user category. Are you also planning on deleting the Communist Wikipedians user category? Did you read the debate that went on a month earlier, in which the decision was made to keep? Algabal 06:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

What does that have to do with anything? The most recent decision regarding the category was keep, and Billy Ego was only one member of the debate. Algabal 06:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
You want to insist on an offensive polemical category on your user page? Feel free. I hope you don't get arbcommed for it. Guy (Help!) 06:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Again, what does this have to do with anything? I'm simply asking for your rationale as to why you deleted the page, and what in the world this has to do with Billy Ego. Algabal 06:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
See #1 above. Guy (Help!) 07:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
As I said previously, I have no idea what a discussion on banning an abusive user has to do with deleting a user category which the community previously decided to keep. I genuinely want to know. Algabal 07:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Not that I think this is much necessary (I think the situation seems to be under control), but here's some actual "facts" regarding the category:

  • The result of this UCFD discussion was delete. (And raised concerns of misuse and abuse, which had already occurred.)
  • The result of this UCFD discussion was speedy delete as a recreation (G4 of WP:CSD)
  • This discussion was a group nomination of politics categories, and Fascist Wikipedians was only kept as part of the group, even though there were several who had issues with it.
  • This discussion is the best, though, and is part of why the category was deleted in the first place. It makes it rather clear that this is "something made up in school one day".

And now, considering the arbcomm case, I think it's fair to say that this category should be deleted and salted. So, though as I mentioned above it's not needed, I Support the deletion of this category by User:JzG. - jc37 09:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Why does the Communist user category remain? Algabal 10:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll assume good faith, and merely suggest that this question is based on a presumption that is a Hasty generalization. There are (as noted above) issues beyond merely suggesting that this is a political belief user category. - jc37 12:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Please outline those issues, as I see none which are not also inherent in the Communism user cat. I'm afraid the reason for your decision to delete the category is still totally unclear. You first cited an irrelevant decision to ban a disruptive user, and then someone else cited several decisions to delete, including one which was totally irrelevant (American Fascist Movement, huh?), ignoring the most recent which was to keep. Algabal 04:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I disagree with Jc on this. Fascist Wikipedians was judged as an equal to the other categories. There was almost no one in the third debate that endorsed the keeping of all but Fascist Wikipedians. There were some global-deletes, and more global-keeps. This one gets to stay, in my opinion.--Mike Selinker 17:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
    I understand, and while I don't necessarily agree due to the larger issues, I don't necessarily disagree with your perspective in relation to the recent closure. - jc37 07:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
  • American Fascist Movement was made up in school one day, but I fail to see how this means the category in question is made up in connection to that when Wikipedians can be fascist in general. Or how the arbcom case shows this category is disruptive by itself. Take it to DRV again? –Pomte 17:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I think the best thing to do would be to ask Guy to restore it in order to nominate for discussion at WP:UCFD. If he does, I would also ask him to comment at that discussion about the concerns in relation to the arbcom discussion. - jc37 07:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Award of a Barnstar

The Barnstar of Diligence
The Barnstar of Diligence is hereby awarded in recognition of extraordinary scrutiny, precision, and community service.

Awarded by Addhoc 11:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Arbuthnot family

I saw you commented in this AfD quite some time ago, so I thought I'd bring this to your attention. There's a rather large conflict of interest here, details of which I've documented here rather than overburden your talk page. Some of them do seem vaguely notable, but I look at Robert Arbuthnot (auditor) and think there's something rather wrong going on here. I'm involved in a dispute with this editor about another matter so don't want to start mass nominating articles for deletion, so how do you suggest this is handled best? I've already made a report on the COI noticeboard regarding the autobiography, but I think the whole walled garden might need a good look at. Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 14:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Xyience

To Whom It May Concern:

I would appreciate your help. I am the web director for a company called Xyience. I have a wiki username Tk421lj and had recent updated an article on Misplaced Pages about my company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Xyience

It appears that you recently deleted the article. When I originally created the article, I just wanted to provide the facts about the company. I tried to create a non-biased article that was based on fact. That article has recently been modified by someone who is trying to slander the company. Rather than stating the facts, this person is using Misplaced Pages for personal gain and self promotion. He has written sensational, tabloid style articles about the company and is posting them on the internet. He is attempting to use Misplaced Pages to promote his tabloid internet blogs. I have since removed his slander from the Wiki article, but he continues to modify and update the article with content that is not acceptable for a Wiki article.

What can I do about this? I would like to have a Misplaced Pages approved article about the company on the site, but I don't want to get into fighting with this guy. Is there anything that can be done, and what do you reccomend.

Thanks for your help.

LJ Jones

lj@xyience.com Web Director Xyience Inc. 10650 West Charleston Blvd. Suite 110 Las Vegas, Nevada 89135 www.xyience.com 866.XYIENCE XT 5424 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.241.54.146 (talk) 21:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Jason Gastrich unblocked

First new edit on my afd Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary. Arbustoo 06:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

You might change your comment on Fred's paper. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dryve (second nomination) was created before his ban. Arbustoo 17:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Strike that minor point as he is exposed and banned. So it doesn't matter. Arbustoo 18:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the diffs, by the way, I think that was what kicked off the CheckUser that sunk the Gastrich ship. Guy (Help!) 19:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of the spammer, you might add Gastrich's cybersquatting of Michael Newdow's name to a list of spam. Here's a list of his sock puppet activity at that article:
I think this case shows a fine example of why Gastrich came to wikipedia.
Also I sent you an email regarding another matter. Arbustoo 23:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Tírghrá

With reference to various comments you made here. I'm not particularly bothered about that article, as it's been a fiasco ever since it was created and I'd probably be happier if it didn't exist at all. However I've some comments on its reliability in other articles.

Danny Cassidy is also named as an ex-IRA member at the Sutton Index, which is a comprehensive and reliable source. Tírghrá doesn't state he was an IRA member at the time of his death, it actually states:

While still in his teens Danny became involved in the Republican Movement and was a Volunteer in the Kilrea unit in South Derry.

During the 70's and into the 80's Danny remained faithful to the republican cause and during the Hunger Strikes he was a committed member of his local H.Block/Armagh Committee.

After numerous arrests Danny was remanded in custody in 1983 and subsequently released. The Brirtish Army then began a campaign of harassment against him. At this time Danny was a member of the local Sinn Féin Cumann.

As you're no doubt aware, IRA membership is quite a secretive affair. I'm sure you're also aware the Republican movement likes to maximise propaganda. Therefore it would be in the movement's interests to portray Cassidy as a civilian, even ignoring that in the eyes of Loyalist paramilitaries (and Ken Maginnis) the IRA and Sinn Féin are one and the same anyway.

While it is true the book was initially limited circulation, it is now available from Sinn Féin and Amazon. Note that the Guardian says the book is hardback, whereas the general release on Amazon is listed as paperback, which I can confirm as I have a copy.

The book is only generally used in other articles for confirming information such as date and place of birth and other background information, which is permitted under WP:V as far as I can see.

As for McKittrick, no doubt he is an excellent journalist but he does make mistakes too, as can be seen here. One Night In Hackney303 14:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, an archived version of the Sutton page from March 2001 confirms Cassidy was ex-IRA, so it hasn't been changed since the publication of Tírghrá. One Night In Hackney303 15:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion: Richard Sproat

I am curious about how you determine whether someone is "unremarkable" in carrying out your deletion policy since it's hard to know who is and is not important in a field other than your own. I actually see quite a number of listings under the Linguists category that are for not overly remarkable people and where the pages do not seem to demonstrate that the person is remarkable. So I am wondering if that is the real reason my page was deleted. Actually the Misplaced Pages policies are far from clear in that it is not obvious what kind of evidence you need that a person is remarkable (or not). Sproat 17:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


Goldstein Gallery Page scheduled for deletion

I'm new at editing/contributing to Misplaced Pages. I'm not sure where to put responses to messages about why the Goldstein Gallery page shoudl be deleted. So I'm placing this message on this page because I want to respond to something that Guy asserted in his comments. He suggested that the artifact analysis was probably lifted from some catalogue description. I want to assert that this is not true. This artifact description, and descriptions of other artifacts that I would like to somehow include in Misplaced Pages are the original analytical work of my upper division college students in the clothing design and clothing retailing programs. They perform these analyses as a service to the Goldstein Gallery to help the GG learn about its accessions and as practice for the kind of work some of them will do professionally as early as two months from now when they graduate. Dr. Hazel A. Lutz Lutz0013 00:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

*That* list and 3RR

Please see here. Bastun 14:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Response

You said "Maybe someone can offer an example of a link to one of these sites which is so self-evidently important that the article would be incomplete without *that link* (rather than that content cited to a print source, say)." My position is like Clinton's on abortion - it should be legal and rare. Specifically we should judge links on a case by case basis with attack pages and sites almost never linked to but not mindlessly repeatedly removed while blocking all discussion and people who think they see an exception. I am against mindlessness in all cases. There is a decade old fight between Daniel Brandt and Chip Berlet, their positions of power at[REDACTED] are at the opposite ends of the spectrum, and this imbalance has affected the NPOV of wikipedia. NPOV is more important that allowing editors to use[REDACTED] as a battleground. How should[REDACTED] habdle such a think. Well, the below is the example you asked for. Other ways of dealing with this and other similar cases are possible, but ruling out the below mindlessly simply institutionalized bias. WAS 4.250 14:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Split within the PIR

Between 1990 and 1992, three members of Brandt's Public Information Research (PIR) advisory board, including Chip Berlet, resigned over a dispute concerning another board member, L. Fletcher Prouty, and the republishing of Prouty's book The Secret Team.<ref>Dan Brandt, "An Incorrect Political Memoir," ''Lobster'', No. 24 (December 1992); Chip Berlet, "Right Woos Left: Populist Party, LaRouchite, and Other Neo-fascist Overtures To Progressives, And Why They Must Be Rejected", Cambridge, Massachusetts: Political Research Associates, 1991. See Berlet's version of events at article ''Other Right-Wing Groups and the Gulf War'' (no by-line and no publication date) and Brandt's version of events at the Misplaced Pages Review website, Wikimedia Discussion section, General Discussion subsection, title: "''A general question regarding Brandt and WP: NPA, One rule for one?''", Post #13 by Daniel Brandt on 7th December 2006, 10:39pm </ref> WAS 4.250 14:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

  • I think you just made my point for me. An argument not discussed or sourceable outside of the parties' sites does not look to me like content which is unambiguously valid for inclusion. Guy (Help!) 16:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Many Thanks!

Thank you very much for the barnstar. I'm glad you like my script and if you need any help with it (or have any suggestions), don't hesitate to ask. ^demon 18:16, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Enema bandit

Google books has this, which seems reliable enough? One Night In Hackney303 20:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

  • But no other news source has picked up on it, and there does not seem to be any kind of external interest. The number of hits is tiny, it does not appear in books of notable cases as far as I can see, we don't even know if he's still alive. Guy (Help!) 20:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

FFI notability

howdy JzG, you may recall the previous series of AfD's on Ali Sina and the subsequent deletion review, where the topic of the article Faith Freedom International was also brought up. you commented there that Karl Meier had provided reliable secondary sources demonstrating substantial, non-trivial, mention. myself and a number of other editors have recently called this into question per the article's heavy reliance upon primary sources (see sections here, here, here and lastly here for examples of discussion). i would like your input as to whether the links provided do meet WP:WEB criteria, or whether they fall short, because frankly productive discussion has hit a brick wall. thank you. ITAQALLAH 20:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

In future maybe you would want to base your comments on facts instead of opinion.

I have replied to your comments here.--Vintagekits 00:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

banquet photography

Hi! I created the banquet photography page and the website to gruberphotographers was not a link to "my" site b/c I am not a photographer. I just found their site helpful since they specialize in banquet photography. I put up some more info and pics b/c I hadn't had a chance a few days ago. Let me know if it needs anything else. Thanks! Emily —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drennae (talk • contribs) 00:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

Hovind screen shot

Can someone explain this to me. Arbustoo 01:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Louisiana Baptist University

ImprobabilityDrive (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) a new user (registered nine days ago) has added many tags to the LBU article. Very advanced tags for a newbie including "totally disputing" all the references.

The user, for example, wants an section removed because "implication that this is somehow LBU's fault that one of its (possibly) former students is claiming to have a degree in a program not offered."

So his new user is claiming that Robert Morey may not be a student and could be falsely claiming this. Thus, this user is arguing for a conspiracy without proof into order to remove material cited from the OC Weekly. I tried to talk to this user on the talk page and his talk page. However, more tags (advanced tags) by this new user got added as the reasons because less convincing.

Cbeech (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) registed three days ago and has similiar interests in LBU.

Strange claims. Arbustoo 02:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, already wants an RfC. Not bad for over a week on wikipedia. Arbustoo 04:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
LBU created as a redirect to Louisiana Baptist University Didn't someone else you know do this several times? Arbustoo 04:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I have an interest in many articles, especially controversial articles; specifically, improving and/or contributing to them, and ensuring that said articles do not contain OR or synthesis. I have also added other redirects (e.g., Scopes Trial book). I did not know others have tried this before for LBU. Is there a problem with redirecting LBU to the Louisiana Baptist University article? If so, I apologize. I don't recall adding a {{totally-disputed}} anywhere. I was merely subjecting the LBU article to scrutiny, especially since it seemed to be dedicated to a single aspect: LBU is not accredited. In one case, I did commit the gaffe of not noticing one of the references had multiple pages, and I apologized profusely about that. I really don't have any opinion on whether the article itself should stay or go, but if it stays, it should meet[REDACTED] standards. Since I am not an expert at interpreting these standards, and also because even if they are violated, such violations can be addressed without wholesale deleting, I add tags and bring up issues in the discussion page. I have been wrong more than once, but have probably been right more than once. I tried to have a civil tone with Arbustoo. But I can see that he is annoyed. Therefore, I decided to stop editing the LBU article and hope things calm down by tomorrow. Please AGF. ImprobabilityDrive 05:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Also, is this standard operating procedure to intimate that users are sockpuppets? Another user insinuated that I was a sockpuppet of User:Gnixon. Hostile place, wikipedia. Live and learn. ImprobabilityDrive 05:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate Baseball Online

I generally agree with you on issues of notability. That is, I think you have a very good eye for identifying unsalvageable crap. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of entries in that warrant curt dismissal as fanservice. This one is different, methinks, because it covers a game which could have a dramatic effect on the industry, or at least become a footnote in the development of the fastest growing videogame market, MMOG. No, the article in its state prior to nomination did not reflect this notion, and yes, Misplaced Pages needs another game guide like you need someone to petition for a stay of execution for a videogame article, but there is potential here. ˉˉ╦╩ 03:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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