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Images in the Geology section

Why are two images, one of ships and oil rigs and the other ostensibly of the Cantarell Field, stuck willy-nilly at the head of the Geology section, with no explanation or reference to either of them in the text? A reader would have no idea why we're showing these here, or what the "Cantarell Field" could possibly be (there is nothing, other than this name, in the caption). The other image in here, captioned "Sediment in the Gulf of Mexico", is equally out of place, but at least it shows part of the Gulf and landforms bordering the north of it. rowley (talk) 20:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

'Gulf of Mexico' to be renamed 'Gulf of America'

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2025

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On January 7th, 2025, United States president-elect Donald Trump announced during a fit of dementia that "pretty soon in the future" his administration will change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, stating that "we do most of the work there." 66.8.225.138 (talk) 03:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: see to get consensus and this version lacks WP:NPOV. Skynxnex (talk) 04:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I feel like a small section should be dedicated to this, maybe a section on the origin of its name could be included. Trump seemed serious during his remark and MTG already stated she would be willing to draft the bill. Although I also think that the phrase "during a fit of dementia" should be omitted as it is too politically charged and a baseless claim. 2600:1700:CD8:5740:34E5:BB1E:C46E:FF59 (talk) 03:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I think at this point it'd be, at the most, WP:DUE to include on perhaps Trump's article or Second presidential transition of Donald Trump and/or Taylor Greene's (although it looks like no one has even tried yet, probably for the best). But not here as a bit of verbage about renaming the Gulf doesn't really have any encyclopedic value about the Gulf itself. Maybe in a few weeks/months/years. Skynxnex (talk) 15:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I disagree, normally I would agree, however with the amount of influence Trump has, it is likely people will begin calling it "The gulf of America" regardless of the fact that no action has been taken to formally change the name yet, if 80 million Americans (which is a pretty conservative guess) start referring to the gulf of Mexico as the gulf of America, that is worth putting in this article to let people know, that way they don't get confused when someone refers to it as this. I've already heard people refer it as such. Juju376 (talk) 17:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

This is a modern version of the Freedom fries jingoism, having nothing to do with geography and everything to do with politics. We have the same sort of thing as a perennial complaint with British Isles from a series of Irish editors. This nothing new or special, and can be documented on its own and with simple passing mention in the article if and when it becomes more than a sound bite at a news conference. See British Isles naming dispute, Sea of Japan naming dispute, Persian Gulf naming dispute... Politicians do this sort of thing all the time. Acroterion (talk) 17:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

References

1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/01/07/gulf-of-america-trump-says-hell-rename-gulf-of-mexico/
2. https://apnews.com/article/trump-gulf-of-mexico-bc438f4feca1234475a1adef99344da7

Per WP:COMMONNAME the article name would not change even if on of the countries in the region unilaterally started using a different name. Even in the unlikely event that other countries started using the alternative name Misplaced Pages policy is clear that WP:OFFICIALNAMES should not be used just because they are official. 2A04:4A43:898F:FB21:9898:E0B7:34F8:59FE (talk) 07:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2025

This is minor, but in the history section there is the following sentence. "As early as the Maya civilization, the Gulf of Mexico was used as a trade route off the coast of the Yucatán Peninsula and present-day Veracruz." "Trade route" links to the page "Trade in the Maya civilization". However, there is a far more relevant article "Maritime trade in the Maya civilization", and the general "Trade in the Maya Civilization" hardly discusses Mayan use of the Gulf of Mexico for maritime trade at all. I suggest changing that link to the more relevant article accordingly. I also suggest fleshing out that section a little bit more maybe. In fact the whole history section should probably expand beyond Spanish exploration. 2601:801:300:8230:F901:E2B4:E056:5A72 (talk) 08:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Partly  Done. I made the suggested change in the link. The last part of the request is too vague for action here. If you desire, you can make more specific requests, supported by references to reliable sources as needed. Otherwise, further editing will be dependent on editors with the interest, time, and access to appropriate sources. We will hopefully be able to lift the editing restrictions on this article in a short while, and you will then be able to help improve the article yourself. Donald Albury 14:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

"Gulf of America" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Gulf of America comment

Should Trump’s proposal to rename the Gulf of Mexico be mentioned somewhere? Hurricane Clyde 🌀 03:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - yes I believe it should believe it should be mentioned, as it has become a large topic of discussion globally relating to the the gulf, I believe a subcategory called “Trump name change proposal” would be appropriate and in that briefly summarise what he said in the press conference and following, the Mexican presidents reaction and wider international and national reaction, it could also be prudent to mention that there is debate whether the President of the United States has the authority to rename the gulf as many news outlets have been covering that aspect to it in the wake of the press conference @Hurricane Clyde Knowledgework69 (talk) 06:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Please note that the above is a question and not an RfC, and bolded supports or opposes are premature. As has been noted above, the question of where and when the renaming proposal should be mentioned in any Misplaced Pages article needs further discussion. Donald Albury 15:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC) Edited. 15:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

My apologies, but it should now be added, as of 9 January 2025 MAGA Republicans in the United States Congress, have introduced a bill to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America (Spearheaded by Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene) supporting President Elect Trumps proposal to rename the Gulf: The Hill, The Well News, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene Press Release

As previously mentioned Trumps proposal has drawn international coverage and has been responded to by the Mexican President

@Donald Albury@Hurricane Clyde Knowledgework69 (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Here are links to H.R.276 of the 119th Congress introduced by Congresswoman Greene of the State of Georgia, Co-Sponsored by 14 other congressional members congress.gov Gulf of America Act (Pre introduction as H.R.276) Knowledgework69 (talk) 18:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I’ll second that by saying that the AP has also mentioned it too. There are certainly reliable sources. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 19:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

USA Today has also mentioned it as well. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 19:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I would say if it touches anything with the current Congress or the United States Board on Geographic Names. – The Grid (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Direct link to H.R. 276, but the proposed language won't appear until next week. – The Grid (talk) 21:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion @The Grid, regardless of whether or not Congress actually takes up the issue; I think just the reaction internationally is notable enough for at least a mention somewhere; whether here, or on one of the Donald Trump articles, or both. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 21:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree that it has reached the threshold for notability, I think the most appropriate would be to add mention to the name change proposal in this article and the second trump presidency article Knowledgework69 (talk) 13:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes. I was surprised to see this is not mentioned. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Renamed to Gulf of America

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This body of water was renamed "Gulf of America" effective January 20, 2025. Trinitydeclaration (talk) 04:47, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

No it wasn’t @Trinitydeclaration. Just because they’re proposing legislation doesn’t mean that it’ll be renamed. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 06:10, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Moreover, per the policy at Misplaced Pages:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names, we use the common name of a place. Even if the United States Government uses a different name, it is not the only country bordering on the Gulf of Mexico, and I think it unlikely that most reliable sources will stop calling it the Gulf of Mexico. And remember, this is the English language Misplaced Pages, not the United States Misplaced Pages. Donald Albury 15:37, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

And you’re exactly right @Donald Albury. COMMONNAME would still apply. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 21:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:COMMONNAME the article name would not change even if on of the countries in the region unilaterally started using a different name. Even in the unlikely event that other countries started using the alternative name Misplaced Pages policy is clear that WP:OFFICIALNAMES should not be used just because they are official. 2A04:4A43:898F:FB21:F1BC:A7CA:D59E:5632 (talk) 21:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Exactly IP, a perfect example is Rio Grande, we don’t call it Río Bravo. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 17:38, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

As an aside, consider the history of Cape Kennedy, in which a president changed the name of a prominent geographical feature by proclamation. The change endured a little less than ten years, and is now barely mentioned in Misplaced Pages. Donald Albury 18:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

History section needs some work

The final portion of the "History" section about d'Iberville's 1697 expedition needs to be cleaned up. As it is written it makes very little sense. There is a paragraph long run-on sentence which never manages to conclude a thought. 2600:1700:D40:1D80:EA26:FF67:5B4D:8B3 (talk) 01:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Executive order renaming to gulf of America

Will be signed today, as per CNN reporting. 99.227.156.90 (talk) 15:10, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

The US is only one of the 88 countries and territories in which English is an official, administrative, or cultural language. If the adoption of the new name becomes widespread among English speakers, then yes, otherwise it should remain as Gulf of Mexico. No offense, but Misplaced Pages is not the American government. See WP:COMMONAME. Accuratelibrarian (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Sure, but the information is relevant in the article. There are multiple sources discussing already. USA Today, The Independent, US New and World Report. Valereee (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Some alternatives, once the executive order has been signed, are "also called" in the lead sentence, an explanatory footnote, or a "Name" section. Any other suggestions? Donald Albury 16:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

I think something like (if he does actually do it), "Donald Trump made an attempt by executive order to change the name to 'Gulf of America' on (date)" with reaction from Mexico etc. would probably be good enough for now. We can note later when the US official maps get changed, wait to see how many other countries change their official maps. Valereee (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Once (and if) it happens, I do think we will need to discuss how prominent in the article this should be. I would like it to be a section or a footnote, but I expect to see supporters for putting it in the lead. Donald Albury 16:51, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, and again, I would like to point interested readers to the history of Cape Kennedy. Donald Albury 16:52, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

The best analogue is probably Sea of Japan where there is a dominant English-language name for a body of water in which the two countries claiming that it should be named after itself. There, it has a name section, and a link to the section from the top. -- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 17:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Stand by for an incoming spate of vandalism... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

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