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:::::::One is a side profile, and since we can’t get this one to be the main image, I don’t think we are able to get it to be the main. https://www.si.edu/object/grover-cleveland:npg_NPG.80.24 is already on Misplaced Pages and used to be the image before it was changed for being 7 years after his presidency ] (]) 15:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::One is a side profile, and since we can’t get this one to be the main image, I don’t think we are able to get it to be the main. https://www.si.edu/object/grover-cleveland:npg_NPG.80.24 is already on Misplaced Pages and used to be the image before it was changed for being 7 years after his presidency ] (]) 15:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
== & vs And ==
{{Infobox officeholder
| order = 22nd & 24th
| office = President of the United States
}}
{{Infobox officeholder
| order = 22nd and 24th
| office = President of the United States
}}
There seems to be a fight over which option to use for the infobox. Instead of edit warring I suggest discussing it here. I personally prefer "&" as it allows the entire entry to be more compact and on one line. - ] (]) 03:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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Q1: Why is Grover Cleveland listed as the 22nd AND 24th President? It doesn't make sense for him to be counted twice!
A1: It's how the U.S. government has always done it. We can only use verifiable material from reliable sources, and all of the sources list Cleveland as the 22nd and 24th President. It's not up to us to develop new numbering systems.
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the only president in American history to serve two nonconsecutive terms in office from 1885 to 1889 and from 1893 to 1897.
A COMMA (or a colon) SHOULD BE INSERTED - AFTER THE WORD "OFFICE."
Otherwise, the sentence appears to be claiming that Cleveland was the only president to serve two nonconsecutive terms IN THOSE PERIODS OF TIME.
I restored this image, which took about half-an-hour, of Cleveland which I have also nominated for a featured picture because I feel it meets that quality. However, since I don't want to edit war and get in a fight with @Drdpw, I want to discuss the images. The image I restored (left) is claimed to have worse coloring and less visual appeal.
I disagree and even if on the surface, the photo is "visually more appealing/superior", it has many issues from aging. Another issue brought up is the color of the images, and I do not like this argument as I think that B&W should not be considered the default standard. This is a carte de visite
It's interesting to compare the two. But I don't like it that I have to look for the delineation between his forehead and the background to the left of it.
This is cropped, but the image is also more like a cabinet card, which a few 1800s articles have. W.E.B DuBois and W.S. Gilbert are examples Wcamp9 (talk) 20:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
At least I can say, looking at those two articles enabled me to see that it's normal and OK to have a non-strictly-black-and-white coloration. I still am not real excited about this one, but we'll see what kind of discussion there is. Bruce leverett (talk) 20:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
There seems to be a fight over which option to use for the infobox. Instead of edit warring I suggest discussing it here. I personally prefer "&" as it allows the entire entry to be more compact and on one line. - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
faq page Frequently asked questions
Q1: Why is Grover Cleveland listed as the 22nd AND 24th President? It doesn't make sense for him to be counted twice!
A1: It's how the U.S. government has always done it. We can only use verifiable material from reliable sources, and all of the sources list Cleveland as the 22nd and 24th President. It's not up to us to develop new numbering systems.
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