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	Today I added one source to the article and removed the templates from the top of the page (to add them to two sections needing attention). More sources and some copy-editing is still necessary though.		Today I added one source to the article and removed the templates from the top of the page (to add them to two sections needing attention). More sources and some copy-editing is still necessary though.
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			=== Date of birth ===
			The source I used for the article clearly say he must have been older than 50 (''...han kan knappast ha varit född så sent som 1216. Fadern Magnus Minnesköld antas nämligen ha dött senast 1210. En hyfsad gissning är att Birger fötts något eller några år innan faderns bortgång.'') I don't claim the Lindström brothers are the ideal NPOV reference, but preferably another source should be used before replacing the information in the article.
			<br /> Thanks
			<br /> / ]<small> (])</small> 11:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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Several questions:

Who was Fr. Hedberg?
Is it true that Mechtild was the mother of Bengt in 1254 even though she wasn't married to Birger until 1261?
Who is the king who was Ingeborg Eriksdotter's father? Is it the Erik Eriksson who's mentioned in the next sentence?

Ingeborg Eriksdotter's father was Erik Knutsson (d. 1216). Ingeborg's brother was Erik Eriksson (a.k.a. Erik the lame) who made his brother-in-law (i.e. Birger) Jarl in 1248. Erik "the lame" Eriksson was the last of the House of Erik.

-- Zoe

1. Havent the slighest these were old thing, which I didnt wrote. 2. Really have to check this up, thanks for noticing. She was married to Abel of denmark before, well see into this. 3. As above stated, Erik Knutsson was Ingeborgs father, not her brother.

So now Id be most interested to know

In what source did you find Erik Knutsson as Ingeborgs brother?

Glad for your interest in scandinavian genealogy. // :) Dan Koehl

I just put in what 217.215.99.203 wrote in response to my 3rd question above. If this is wrong, who WAS her brother? -- Zoe

As named above (by 217.215.99.203) Erik Eriksson. Erik Knutsson was the father to both of them, that why they are sister and brothers. I was really thinking, because yesterday actually someone asked for genealogy information, that I should make someting more graphical. Is there any standard for such things, or can I just make a /link to genealogy? Dan again.

You might consider creating a page Kings of Sweden and indicating the relationships there. -- Zoe

Theres already a list List_of_Swedish_monarchs. I meant a graphical thing/Dan

Now noticing that someone has written that Birger married the daughter of Abel, with whom she was actually married with. It sure isnt easy to put this in order, when so many want to write so much, but wrong...Dan Koehl 23:47 Dec 9, 2002 (UTC)

It is better not to name the family that Birger jarl belonged to as "Folkunga", nowadays most historians namen it "Bjälbo-ätten" (Bjälbo-family) as Folkunga in their time was an opposition of Birger jarl and his sons. First in the 17th century, due to some confusion the historians started to name Bjälbo as Folkunga.

One source added

Today I added one source to the article and removed the templates from the top of the page (to add them to two sections needing attention). More sources and some copy-editing is still necessary though.
/ Mats Halldin (talk) 09:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Date of birth

The source I used for the article clearly say he must have been older than 50 (...han kan knappast ha varit född så sent som 1216. Fadern Magnus Minnesköld antas nämligen ha dött senast 1210. En hyfsad gissning är att Birger fötts något eller några år innan faderns bortgång.) I don't claim the Lindström brothers are the ideal NPOV reference, but preferably another source should be used before replacing the information in the article.
Thanks
/ Mats Halldin (talk) 11:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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