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Please sign your posts by putting ~~~~ after your comment. If you have multiple accounts, please indicate this, and make it clear which account you expect to be replied to. I will normally reply on your talk page, but in complex discussions (especially when they start involving more than one other user) I may reply here to reduce fragmentation DuncanHill 14:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Cornish diaspora

Thanks - I renamed the page, but I replaced the diaspora page with a redirect here (as desribed in the[REDACTED] renaming pages section). Some other helpful person came through and deleted the diaspora page completely (why I do not know) causing the problem that you describe. Anyway, thanks for putting things back the righht way. take care Mammal4 11:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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Well welcome to[REDACTED] then - I see you already have a welcome pack, but here is a more comprehensive list of useful links that you might find useful. If you're interested in editing Cornwall related stuff, then you might like to join the Penwith Wikiproject or helping out with the Cornwall portal? Have fun Mammal4 11:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as you are from Cornwall, and created the Boscawen-Un article, then I would like to add my voice to that of Mammal4 in inviting to join the Penwith WikiProject. M4 and myself make up two thirds of the active membership, so it is a small grouping that is very succesful at getting things done and has proven (for me anyway) to be a very enjoyable experience. If you want to know more, click the link on the template on any of the talk pages in the Penwith remit.LessHeard vanU 10:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Tis why fresh eyes are a good thing

Glad to have you spot the obvious hole in the Otta (river) article. Here I thought everyone knew it was in Norway. :) Thanks - Williamborg (Bill) 03:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hope to see a lot more of you here (and in Norway)! Williamborg (Bill) 03:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Have been to Norway a couple of times, and loved it (except the prices!)

James Barry (surgeon) and James Alexander Barry

Hi! Just a heads up to let you know I did a further adjustment in Dictionary of Canadian Biography Initiative to distinguish between the two above. I left James Alexander Barry in the ==B=='s with a note. He will have a DoCb entry at some point, I'm sure. In the meantime, the note will "heads up" anyone looking at these entries. Nice catch! (There are a lot of disambigs to do in there.) Stormbay 17:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Stormbay, I seemed to be finding 'James Barry's wherever I looked for a while there! DuncanHill 17:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Cornwall

I'm not sure what edits you're referring to, the only edits I've made have been to add the home nation (over a week ago now) or revert the mass changes by anons. Anyway, the discussion is linked at the top of the talk page. Joe D (t) 10:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back, it looked like you'd deleted {{United Kingdom]] from a lot of articles. I'll have another look at the talk page to see if I can find it DuncanHill 10:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

England/UK

Here it is Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject UK geography/UK or home nations in introductions I think it was a bit sneaky to move it to a page without saying where - maybe a redirect should be added to the main talk page sending people to the new page. I'm still trying to write a summary page to go with this but haven't got that far Mammal4 10:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Scrap that - it wasn't sneaky, I am just too blind to see the redirect link! Mammal4 10:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Highwood, Herefordshire

Are you certain there is a Highwood in Herefordshire? I was going to delete the line in List of places in Herefordshire when I saw you'd dabbed it and added it to the Highwood geodis article. See my earlier note of the 'List of ...' discussion page - I think that list should not be relied on. Unless I'm reading the map wrong Highwood, Worcestershire is a couple of miles north of the county boundary. Best Wishes Saga City 04:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Highwood, Herefordshire/Worcestershire?

It looks like it's near Hanley Childe, which IS in Worcs, don't have a big enough scale map of the area to check properly tho'. Thanks for spotting it. DuncanHill 12:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It's north of Hanley Child and the county boundary runs to the south of that village. So I'm confident enough it's in Worcestershire to delete it from the Herefordshire list. Thanks for the prompt replies. Saga City 12:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For fixing the mines thingie Good to see someone else on west coast tas things, sometimes it gets a bit lonely and quiet - just like it used to be living there ! SatuSuro 01:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Good to see someone else on west coast tas things, sometimes it gets a bit lonely and quiet - just like it used to be living there ! SatuSuro 01:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Long term fantasy is to even list the main minerals mined at each mine (mmm!) SatuSuro 09:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

King's College School

"It would be appreciated if you could at least acknowledge messages left for you."

I have two jobs, an association to run, and a real life. :-)

Seriously, the history of the articles contained names of real people (pupils etc.) in inappropriate ways. We need to do selective undeletion. David.Monniaux 12:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that selective undeletion of history parts is a time-consuming process; I put up a request for this to be done. David.Monniaux 13:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I should probably have done that; but another problem is that often people request us to be "discreet" about their requests... I thought at the time that it was better not to raise attention . David.Monniaux 17:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Kipling

Thanks! I've enjoyed working on the page. It got me to read Gilmour's The Last Recessional, which I enjoyed, and I also recently bought an old edition of Kipling's From Sea to Sea (newspaper articles he wrote for The Pioneer during his travels in both India and the US during 1888 and 1889), which I just started. Like you, I've enjoyed him since childhood, and am still amazed at his inventiveness. It used to be said that literature doesn't produce prodigies in the same way that music, art, or mathematics does. Kipling, clearly, seems to be some kind of exception. BTW, I saw your note in the Kipling discussion page about Kipling in the category "Anglican." The Gilmour biography has this to say: "In his adult poems he often invoked a Divinity--whom he vaguely believed in--and certainly he respected other people's religions. But he was never, in any real sense, a practising Christian. Whatever bigotries he may have collected in the course of his life, religious ones were absent." (Gilmour also mentions in a footnote that in 1908, Kipling described himself as "a godfearing Christian Atheist.") Thanks agin. Sanjay Tiwari 17:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

That's interesting about the two volumes of From Sea to Sea. I wonder if by 1926 (when you say the second volume was printed), Kipling had asked the publisher to stop printing the swastika. (I have an older edition, and both volumes have the swastikas.) Interesting too, what you say about his letter to Caroline Taylor. In his "autobiography," he invokes "Allah" (as a benevolent presence) every now and then. I think it would be good to see something about his views on religion. Look forward to your additions! Sanjay Tiwari 10:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Hello there, Just stumbled upon your page and saw that you are involved in disambiguating pages. Could please do so for Jordan Palmer and Jordan Palmer (football)? Thanks--Thomas.macmillan 15:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion about a vandalism warining I made

Hi - sorry I didn't know how else to get in touch with you. Why are my actions considered vandalism? Isn't the[REDACTED] about the public editing pages? Secondly are you in charge of this page in particular - if so, why? I'm very interested to hear your response... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.242.18.214 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC).

Mount Read Volcanics

The link to Mount Read at this stage a bit dubious (I'll leave it.. but...) because the article that is needed to explain the Mount Read Volcanic Belt is as yet unwritten! It is going to be difficult, I keep putting it off - but have found some good simple summaries recently. Mount Read - and Mount Read Volcanic Belt are two quite separate subjects - sigh. SatuSuro 07:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

If you see my talk conversation here Talk you might understand that ideal agenda of what I'd like to do on west coast tas arts versus the reality is quite a big gap!

Good things have been turning up just recently in the form of maps and good references and summaries - so in the end the List if mines should have a lot more blue links this year ! - SatuSuro 08:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Help

How can I help you DuncanHill? --Skywolf /_contribs 01:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I answered on your talk page - it's about George Trevelyan (New Age spiritualist) DuncanHill 01:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Great job. Well done. - Kittybrewster 14:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Go for it. - Kittybrewster 14:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Duncan, noticed your edits using the Cornwall Stub and other categorys which looks really good. With this in mind I would like to award you the following

		The Original Barnstar
		for all your recent hard work Reedgunner 14:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from me too, to Cortnwall-stubbing the Fox family of Falmouth ===Vernon White (talk) 15:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Recommend Barclay Fox's Journal. It should be available from your local Library. ===Vernon White (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Cornwall stub proposal

I think right now for proposals, we are using a cut-and-paste system. Just edit the proposals page and cut your section out (I recommend temporarily copying it to a program like Notepad so you don't lose it accidentally...I've done that a couple times.. Ugh). Then edit the archive page and paste the section in at the top. Make sure to follow the instructions at the top of the archive page. Also, make sure to add your new stub to the stub type list. If you need any more help, let me know and I can explain better or do it for you, if you need me to. Have a great day and happy editing. ~ Amalas rawr 16:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Cornwall-stub on biographies

OK. At first wink there does indeed seem to be a reasonably large amount of genuinely primarily-notable-in-relation-to-Cornwall material here, somewhat addressing my question at WSS/P. However, there's good reason we try to avoid "regional bio stubs", and a case in point is the large number of biographies you seem to have tagged with this type. It's not appropriate to use this on "people who happened to be born in Cornwall", where Cornwall has next to nothing to do with their stated notability. For example, look at Jack Richards, one of the very first articles I happened across -- so I'm guessing this in danger of happening a lot. Alai 16:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, you've created a regional stub that you're using as if it were a regional bio stub. Or rather, as if it were a "place of birth stub". I think I made the "good reasons" pretty clear: stub types are for someone's primary notability, not for ancillary background info. Your rationale is wholly speculative: if I add stub types to an article based on someone's place of birth, where they went to school, their university, and three or four places they've worked or owned houses, then someone might expand the article in ways related to those places, but the chances are, I'm just creating template and category spam. Am I to construe your reply as a statement of intent to leave the current contents as they are, and to continue tagging on the same basis, regardless of primary notability? Alai 18:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with your contention that I'm using it as a regional bio stub or place of birth stub - what I have done is add it to stub articles that appear to me to have a Cornish connexion - of course other editors can change any stub or cat marker as they see fit. I think you will find that most of the articles I have stubbed as Cornwall-stubs were already in Cornwall-related cats, and many were already stubbed in other stub cats. Many are also not 'bio' articles. It may be that I have marked some articles as Cornwall stubs when they should not be - it's also probable that there are other articles I haven't stubbed that should be. If you have good reason to remove the Cornwall stub from a particular article then of course you should go ahead and do so. I would just add that my original message to you that I had created the Cornwall stub cat was identical to the messages I placed on the talk pages of the other users who had contributed to the discussion, and was meant as a courtesy to let you know what had happened. I will also copy this reply to your talk page. DuncanHill 18:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You've asserted no connection in the case I cited beyond place of birth (speculating that there might be hardly amounts to the same thing), so I don't see what basis you can possibly have for disagreeing with my "contention". (I didn't say you were using it only as such, but it shouldn't be being used as such at all.) I invite you once again to review stubs you've added to the category on such a basis: you're the person agitating for such a stub type (and creating as such, regardless of the /P "closure" otherwise), the least you could do is to use it in a restrained and appropriate manner, rather than simply leaving it open for others to clean up same. If the majority of these articles are genuinely primarily notable in connection with Cornwall, then diluting it with those that are not is unnecessary, and just reduces the effectiveness of an otherwise sensible type; if they're not, then the whol stub type is probably more trouble than it's worth. Alai 18:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think an article should not have a particular stub tag on it, then you could always remove it yourself - I had thought that was one of the point of Misplaced Pages. I note that you have only cited a single article. I am struck by the vehemence of your remarks - and am sorry if I have offended you in any way - tho' I don't see how. I do not understand your comment about me creating the stub contrary to the debate - the result was to create. Of course I shall be coming back to articles I have marked as Cornwall stubs - but I'm sure you will appreciate that (1) I can't do this instantly, and (2) the point of stubbing is to draw the attention of a wide range of editors who will each bring their own knowledge and perspectives to editing. This is the first stub I have created, and I am still comparitively new to Misplaced Pages. If your intention is to discourage inexperienced editors from contributing, then you are going about it in the right way. DuncanHill 19:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you feel that my comments have been inappropriately vehement, though I must say that can't see that's been the case -- eye of the beholder, I suppose. As to your being "comparatively new": to put that in perspective, some editors are enraged they haven't been made sysops after being here half as long as you have (and come to that, some actually have been). Yes, one of the points of a wiki is the proverbial "merciless editing" of others' work, but equally, so is establishing, and hopefully then implementing, a consensus for the desired outcome, rather than just twiddling things back and forth, or ending up "policing" other people's edits. The /P discussion was closed as "create upmerged template", not an unqualified "create", to clarify that point. I of course appreciate that you can't 'instantly' review all those articles (obviously you're indeed under no obligation to do so at all), and nor was I expecting that, but bear in mind that you must have a much better idea than I as to what basis you added the tags, and are therefore, all else being equal, in a much better position to address your own observation regarding how many stub articles might now carry this tag, on no more evident basis that having been born in the county. I looked at, quite literally, all of two or three articles before finding that one, on which basis I voiced the concern that it may be a wider phenomenon. If that's not the case, my mind is put at rest. Alai 01:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. As you say, you looked at two or three articles and found one where you disagreed with the stubbing. I don't know what an upmerged category is - you proposed it, but didn't explain what it is, and when I did a[REDACTED] search for it (after the debate had been closed), I couldn't find anything. If it means putting the Cornwall geo-stubs in the Cornwall stub and not having a Cornwall geo-stub, surely that would create an unmanageably large stub cat? Anyway, I have unstubbed the article you objected to, and don't think that any of the other ones I stubbed fit the circumstances you objected to. If users less experienced than me are complaining about not getting admin privileges - I don't really see what that's got to do with this specific issue. DuncanHill 01:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

i.e., an 'error rate' of 33-50% (albeit on a low sample size), hence the concern. The upmerge suggestion may now be moot, but for clarity: it means having a duplicate template feeding into a parent category: for example, the French départmental template {{Orne-geo-stub}} feeds into its regional parent category. Typically this is done when a type in sensible in theory, but too small in practice. I should probably add something to WP:STUB on upmerged templates, though you always have the option of asking someone for a gloss of unfathomable jargon. (It's not necessarily practical to do so unsolicitedly on every occasion, without any notion of whether it's required.) My final comment has nothing to do with the original issue: it has to do with the "inexperienced editors" observation you made in reply. Alai 02:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Pocklington - tidying up my entries

thanks! Only just signed up and added a whole raft more info to the page of my hometown, Pocklington, which was in a bit of a state - very disorganised and tatty. Thanks for catching a few typos etc for me, and I hope posting here like this is the correct/acceptable thing to do :-) PocklingtonDan 18:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Cornwall stub

Good work - I will try and have a look through this drekkly but am rather snowed under at work at the moment (well I have to finace my Misplaced Pages habit somehow!) Take care Mammal4 08:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Well done - I believe this was suggested before but dismissed because off an alleged lack of stubs - there are now over 200 and growing ! Gulval 14:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Davies Gilbert and John Davies Gilbert (his Son)

Can't find what science JDG did to justify his fellowship of the Royal Society. Maybe I can ask the Librarian of the Royal Society.

JDG seem to have been a successful property developer (Eastbourne)and garden designer (Trelissick Garden).

== Vernon White (talk) 09:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Yes Davies Gilbert was a great encourager. He encouraged engineers as well as scientists. See Beyond the Blaze. I'll see if I can get a response from the R.S. Library about his son John. === Vernon White (talk) 16:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

List of closed railway stations in Britain

Thanks for fixing. I was copy & pasting from a similar list breakup I did to List of homesteads in Western Australia. Apparently I forgot to change one of the links, but I was somewhat in a hurry as my Environmental Management course was coming to a close within minutes of my last edit. I found the page on Special:Longpages, just in case you're interested — this article was the longest listed on the page. Again, thanks. thadius856_talk 00:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Cornish language text

Hi, you asked me why Cornish language text had been left in an English language article. Very simple, some of it was left in by accident, and some of the rest consisted of book titles etc. It was mainly in order to expand an article which existed in Cornish, but didn't exist in an English version at all, until recently. --MacRusgail 15:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Terrorist organizations

The objective was not to found an Israeli state, but to found a Jewish state in Palestine. The name of the state was not clear at the time, and the organizations were dissolved when the state was founded. Before the state was founded, Jews in Palestine were known as Palestinians, the Jerusalem Post was the Palestine Post, etc. Describing these groups as "Israeli" is an anachronism; it's like stating that the Roanoke colony was founded in the United States, when it actually pre-dated the United States by centuries. Jayjg 03:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich

Would you be interested in helping out atWikiProject Munich? And you don't have to know anything about Munich. Maybe you could help out on bringing Munich-related articles up to Misplaced Pages Policies and guidlines standards or maybe another area where you could help improve Munich-related articles. Kingjeff 22:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment left on my User page

Hello Duncan, I'm that guy who you praised for adding stuff about geology! Thank you!! I see you are from Cornwall - I'm from Wales, so were both from Celtic nations!! I've written a response to your kind words earlier, hope you like it! I've got an interest in geology, because, in Wales, like Cornwall and Devon, geology has influenced our great lands (tin mining in Cornwall was possible because the granite of Cornwall sweated out lodes of tin) - as well as our Celtic cousins in Ireland and Brittany. See you soon, write a response if you like!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.62.42.132 (talk • contribs)

Evighet and Cornwall

Thank you for the definition of Evighet. I noly thought it was Elivghet, because the website I get everything abotu Eurovision from (Devoted.to/eurovision) spelt it like that. Keith must have had a typo.

Okay and Cornwall. I see you're a Cornwall Project member. I hope I created the North Cornwall Box alright. Here it is Click Here. Tell me if there is anything wrong with it. Peterwill 21:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Have noted it on your talk page!DuncanHill 21:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay I have seen your comment. It is not presented correctly and it was still listed in the to do list. Also it should have been copied on to all of the pages that it relates to. It wasn't on any, and my version is already on all of them up to St. Mabyn. Peterwill 21:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Fox family of Falmouth

Brighton Libraries have both Caroline and Barclay Fox's journals. === Vernon White (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

here's another, notable enough for an ODNB entry

Fox, Charles (1740?–1809), poet and orientalist, is of uncertain parentage and upbringing. It is most likely that he was the son of Joseph Fox, a Quaker grocer from Falmouth, though it is elsewhere suggested that he was the child of a John Fox and Rebecca, née Steevens, of High Wycombe. He kept a bookseller's shop and house in Falmouth, the latter being destroyed by fire. . .

+++ Vernon White (talk) 13:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Davies

Hi Duncan. I did redirect 'Stephen Davies' to 'Davies', but then reconsidered and made 'Stephen Davies' a disambig page, though with only two links so far. I presume you are asking about the Stephen Davies mentioned on the 'Institute of Economic Studies' (?) page. I have no idea who this is - probably a third party but pageless so far. Maybe it needs to be unlinked. Maias 11:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Sabu

Appreciate the dab. Have more than a few to fix myself! Mattbwn 01:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

I pinged all the IPs and they're all registered to the same US address - I have no doubt that they're all from the same user rotating his IP to make them look like legitimate edits. Unfortunately, blocking the 172 IP would also block a lot of legitimate editors on the same ISP so is not desirable. There were only a few edits, and we both spotted them (even though I'm technically on a wikibreak!) so I don't think its a big problem. If it escalates them we could consider getting some pages blocked to unregistered editors, but I think its probably best to wait and see Mammal4 15:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Please revisit and consider

Thanks for your endorsement on the Category:Categories for deletion proposal, but be advised per User:Tim! and User:Submillimeter's point, I've modified my proposal. Template:I0re: See this summary, and my comments on clear documentation all along our project pages. This alternative is more consistent with normal category practices. For your convienience this is a direct link back into the discussion. Thanks // FrankB 21:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi Duncan! Thanks for message on my talkpage. Just for info, in case you haven't already spotted, my main current project is working to complete the Cornish media article. As far as I know, this article is the first time all the current and former newspapers in Cornwall have been listed together. I am about to embark on the Radio & Television sections, with Cinema & Film to be added later. Also working on Forts in Cornwall - much detail to be added here. Am also browsing existing Cornwall pages, and adding & editing as appropriate. Only problem with Misplaced Pages - it is so addictive!

Tinminer 18:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem with edits and adding deep categories to Cornish magazines. Thanks for the additions! Cheers, BTW, what sections/articles are you currently working on/editing? Tinminer 14:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Mylor and Mylor Bridge (comment moved from my userpage)

I would suggest that the pages Mylor, Cornwall and Mylor Bridge actually describe the same place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a merge be in order (but to which title???) ROxBo 21:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

* I think Mylor is the name of the parish, Mylor Bridge one of the settlements in the parish. As you probably know, in Cornwall one often find several places in a parish with names based on variations of the parish name (eg a Churchtown, a Highlanes, etc). Probably best to leave them be for the time being, and come back to them when we have better info - I've got them both on my watchlist. DuncanHill 21:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

* If this differentiation is correct it should be highlighted in the article text. However both articles appear to describe a small village, nearly identical! ROxBo 22:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

* Searching at for Mylor confirms the village is called Mylor Bridge and the area Mylor CP (presumably civil parish). Interesting! ROxBo 22:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

thank you

thank you very much for the greeting and the link. do you have any advice on how to put something into wikisource? i have read the help and am still floundering.Gwaytya 12:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Links to the Cornwall Record Office Online Catalogue

Hi Duncan. I have added a section to the discussion page for the Cornwall Record Office page relating to linking to entries on the CRO online catalogue which you may find useful. Cornovia 13:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Cornovia :) DuncanHill 17:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Slobodan B. Iwanief

• Hoaxes cannot be speedied, so please take it to AfD if you think it a hoax. The principle is that more than just two people should look at it, in case it is real--I have no opinion about that--I have not looked for references myself. DGG 22:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yarg

Duncan, are you sure that the link you reverted to is appropriate? The link is to a cheese maker's web site who's only purpose is to sell cheese. Doesn't seem to meet the criteria for external links. Kevin 02:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The link is to the only people in the world who make yarg (it's not a generic cheese like cheddar). DuncanHill 02:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Kevin 02:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

William Golding

Bearly had I generated the "Novels by" category and you had populated it. Well done. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 14:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed it and thought 'that's a good idea!' DuncanHill 14:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I would but not any novelettes or short stories, "a length to short". Maybe everything else should go in a Category:Works by William Golding which would include the novels cat. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 15:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

An Invite to join Novels WikiProject

Hi, you are cordially invited to join the Novels WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of topics related to fiction books often referred to as "Novels". We make no length distinction so all narrative prose fiction is of interest. This includes Novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories. Articles about the works themselves and the forms and genres.

As you have shown an interest in William Golding we thought you might like to take an interest in this well established WikiProject.

We look forward to welcoming you to the project! :: Kevinalewis : /(Desk) 14:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Euro I to Euro VI

Hi, are you going to include the information from the redirected pages into the main article ? did i miss a discussion here ? whats the reason for the action ? reg. Mion 14:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hoi, i got a note that it was a request on the villagepump from editor (81.104.175.145), i will discuss with him. cheers. Mion 15:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cradle of humanity (2nd nomination)

You recently commented at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cradle of Humanity, which closed with no consensus. The article has been re-nominated for deletion, and you may care to comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cradle of humanity (2nd nomination). --Akhilleus (talk) 16:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Fixing your typos

Don't worry - I've been stooging round that page all afternoon, so it was easy enough! --Vox Humana 8' 16:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that anon edit you reverted was me - I didn't realise my sign-in cookie had expired! - and was made as I couldn't see how that made sense! Ah well, my bad, as they say...--Vox Humana 8' 17:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Infobox - Fire Service

Indeed Chief Fire Officer may be the more widespread term, however since the recent "Rank to Role" change. The correct term is now Brigade Manager.

Thanks,

Samiddon 21:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Sevanoaks2005

I don't, as a rule, but that particular newbie signs on to promote his little project, is unable or refuses to read very simple suggestions, and ignores warnings. It's a heavy-handed tool, but after having stubbornly removed the notice six times, maybe a short block will wake him up?  :-/ Coren 21:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for the correction. --Zero Cool 01:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

House cats

Hi DuncanHill,

at the moment they have to be recreated manually since having the bot do it automatically lead to some problems when I tested the code. I usually wait until a category is empty until I move all the other stuff over though. Cheers S 15:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) S 15:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Cornwall settlement template

A discussion took place on Template talk:Infobox UK place talk place to convert this template. It was transcluded on a grand total of two articles; I converted them, then listed the template for deletion per normal procedure. The convention is to use UK place infobox throughout the UK (even Scotland and Northern Ireland use this). Jza84 20:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Additional: deletion discussion for Template:Cornwallsettlement

You are correct when you suggest that claiming that a template is "unused" when it has recently been purposely removed from all articles is unhelpful. That said, Template:Cornwallsettlement did not enjoy widespread transclusion when it was in use, and Template:Infobox UK place is a very good template, which has superseded a number of other settlement templates as well. If there is any particular feature which you feel is being lost in the replacement, please mention it at Template talk:Infobox UK place - the developers there have been quite good at accommodating most changes. — mholland (talk) 21:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info - I'll certainly have a look there. DuncanHill 21:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Events since you restored "Birthday of Alpinism"

Since you restored "Birthday of Alpinism" Akhilleus has attacked many of the articles that I have started. It is obvious that he is not editing in good faith, since he already knew of these articles months ago and did nothing - until you restored Birthday of alpinism. Now he has decided that they either need to be deleted or completely rewritten. It is obvious that this is just an act of revenge. Those article have been up and running for several months with many other Wikipedians viewing them. None of these other editors had any objections to these articles - however Akhilleus suddendly now feels they are all bad articles since you restored "Birthday of alpinism." Is this the proper procedure to attack articles in revenge and not in good faith? Articles in question that he suddendly now feels need to be deleted or completely rewritten are: Liber sine nomine (which many other editors have worked on), Petrarch's library (which has never even been edited by anyone), Petrarch's testamentum (which also has never been edited by any other editor); I'm sure there will be more. He accuses me of canvasing others while he canvasses others in his support to bypass the final decision of Keep for the article. This is Pot calling the kettle black since on after the decision was made to Keep the article he canvassed others in his support to Delete the article - bypassing the normal procedure. Then the article was just directly redirected to Mont Ventoux without going through the process recommended by the closing administrator - getting the article Deleted (as he wanted). Left a copy of this on the Talk page of User talk:VirtualSteve. --Doug 11:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Please recall that an AfD decision to keep is perfectly consistent with merger and redirection; that's why merge !votes are counted as keep. As for the merger target: the event is mentioned both at Petrarch and Mont Ventoux, but it seemed to be most logical that any reader searching for the phrase would be more interested in the mountain.

The remainder of the article is on Talk:Mont Ventoux. I see nothing in this random assortment of Google results worth preserving unless an article is finally written on Petrarch's letter. If it is, it should cite burckhardt for what he actually said (and spell his name correctly), and omit the tertiary results from Doug's google search. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Septentrionalis/Pmanderson or PMAnderson I find it confusing that you should sign a message using two accounts.. A couple of points. 1) AfD's are debates, not votes. 2) An AfD with no consensus is treated as a keep. 3) The closing admin's suggestion was for merger with Petrarch. Akhilleus has not followed any of this, and appears to me to have misrepresented both the outcome of the AfD AND the closing admin's comments in his edit summaries. I would also disagree with your comment about users searching for the phrase being most interested in the mountain. An interest in the beginning of a sport is, I believe, more likely to involve an interest in the persons involved, however that would best be dealt with through a new AfD (which you are of course free to initiate should you so wish). DuncanHill 13:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to change the redirect to Petrarch; although I am unpersuaded, myself. Since I am one of those who discussed a merger (see also Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Francesco Dionigi; birthday of alpinism is Doug's effort to evade that deletion.), my reconsideration of the target is a normal editorial decision. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

1) The result of the AfD was keep - so stop deleting! If you want the article deleted, put it up for AfD again. DuncanHill 14:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not deleting; I'm merging what little is valuble; please learn the difference. Please stop interfering with the merge; the AfD called for one - if you think the target should be Petrarch, make it so. All the substance, such as it was, is on Talk:Mont Ventoux; it is largely direct quotations, which belong on Wikiquote, not here; acquired by google and slammed together by original research. I find none of the quotations particularly valuable, but you will find the reasons for that on Talk:Mont Ventoux.

Doug Coldwell's articles as a whole are a dubious acquisition; Akhilleus is not the only one to object to them; Wareh has discussed them here, pointing out that his interest in Petrarch arises from a conjecture that Petrarch forged the New Testament. I'm not making this up; but Doug is. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we both cool down a bit and wait and see what VS has to say. DuncanHill 14:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Btw: one of Coldwell's links is to this article in the New York Times; which says that the entire claim that Petrarch was the first since antiquity to climb a mountain for pleasure is simply not true. Jean Buridan had climbed the same mountain a few years before, and there were others. There is good academic authority for this; and I shall be adding it to the relevant articles. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Response to issues surrounding Birthday of alpinism

Firstly my apologies for not responding earlier - delayed because of current commitments in real life. (Copies of this message are posted on the pages of the relevant editors mentioned immediately above the original post on my talk page.) I have read all of the above and have looked at the history of changes at this page. I intend not to reply specifically to a couple of the editor versus editor comments - other than to note that, with respect, I agree with the comment made by Doug that all editors should cool down a little bit. In relation to the redirect to Mont Ventoux - in a nutshell I disagree for the simple reason that a redirect is not a merge. More specifically - the AfD resulted in a keep. I appreciate that some people did not like or agree with that decision but the deletion policy does not allow (nor should it) for administrators to act without a solid consensus to delete and such a consensus was not provided in the extremely long and straying comments provided in that AfD.
In further discussion with two editors I suggested that concerns might be addressed by merging, that is taking some or all of the content in this article, and placing it into Petrarch. I used Petrarch as my point of reference because it was that article that was strongly mentioned in the AfD. Whilst editors may have considered that suggestion and adjusted their thought process to redirection, I am a little perplexed at how any editor or group of editors could display a level of fairness to their wiki colleagues without first mentioning the idea of a redirect on the talk page for a few days before it is undertaken. Clearly that has not happened and now you are found again at loggerheads.
To my mind basic wiki guidelines and policy should immediately come into play. Firstly any editor can remove the content of any article that is not verified. From that perspective any such content on Birthday of alpinism should be and can be removed. Secondly, content that is verified within the article can be duplicated in another article where editors feel that it is better placed at that other article. To my mind civility of process should dictate some discussion on the talk page of Birthday of alpinism on these parts. Thirdly, if that process moves relevant content to other articles so that the article is no longer required it could be redirected (for the purpose of meeting search terms), or alternatively it could be deleted through a second AfD process.
Whilst I sincerely hope that you are all able to reach an amicable solution, it would be remiss of me not to note that if the process is unable to be completed in this way because someone or many take an ownership over the article that breaches WP:OWN and especially if WP:3RR is breached, please let me know directly and I will block editors or protect the article as necessary until the normal process of mature editing is completed.--VS 22:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it Duncan - it ultimately would have come up eventually. This now solves the problem and perhaps now we can get down to cool headed editing - like how most Wikipedians edit.--Doug talk 23:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Message of welcome

Thank you for your nice message of welcome, DuncanHill. It took me quite by surprise! Regards Martinben 12:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It's very useful, thanks, as I am still trying to find my way about here. Can I also thank you for the 'Good Faith' message you placed on my question about Hume and History. I was really annoyed by some of the early responses, particularly over the assumption that this was a homework question. I hate to admit this but I am in my late forties, and my homework days have long since passed. I got a very good response to my question, though, from Clio the Muse, as I have on previous occasions. She is a remarkable person with a quite astonishing degree of knowledge and expertise. Martinben 13:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

re Tavistock

Good job and kudos on your hard work. In the future, please read the placename naming conventions. kthxbye Tomer 16:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I was just giving you some equally unneeded advice. I haven't had time to do much editing on Misplaced Pages of late, as you can plainly see, since you've obviously been going through my contributions. If you're unhappy that it took you so long to, to paraphrase you, fix the mess I made, perhaps you don't understand how[REDACTED] works. If everyone took the same unnecessarily hostile and condescending tone as you have, Misplaced Pages would fall apart in a week. Tomer 16:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You have made plenty of edits after your unnecessary move of Tavistock, not one of which was concerned with correcting the links which you made invalid. If you had bothered to mention the London disambiguation page in your first message above, I would not have felt it necessary to reply to you in the way I did. I corrected one grammatical error made by you today. DuncanHill 16:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

If Chambers is the only dictionary you can find that defines "kidnap" as a noun, I think characterizing my saying it isn't a noun barely qualifies as a grammatical error...if anything, it strengthens my position. Regardless, I doubt even Chambers bothers to try to declare "abduction" a verb (although it wouldn't surprise me terribly if they did), so "abduction" should be less questionable as a word choice.

As for my edits since Tavistock, you'll note that, with the exception of my dubiously entertaining discussion with you, I have not spent a great deal of time engaged in editing. My edits have, instead, with the exception of the TfD discussion, been itty bitty little things I've caught in passing. As for the way you replied, your reply was not nearly so aggravating as your initial message was. Anyways. Are you done with Tavistock? Or do you want some help finishing up? I have about half an hour I could spend more productively IRL, but if you want I can help you with that or with some other project of your choosing. Regards, Tomer 16:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• Kidnap as a noun. Chambers Dictionary is the one I had to hand, OED has it as a noun too. Maybe this is a difference between British and American usages. Kidnap is commonly used as a noun in British usage. I am insufficiently familiar with American usage or dictionaries to make proper comparison. Chambers does not list abduction as a verb. Maybe you should acquire a copy.

  I've heard kidnap used as a noun by Brits, but always assumed it was substandard usage. Perhaps it really is just a BrE/AmE difference, I don't know. Tomer 17:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• I took a quick look at your edit history to see if you had been active since the Tavistock move, and saw that you had, but had not fixed any of the misdirected links. This did irritate me - I do feel that when an editor makes a move he or she should check "what links here" and at least make a start on correcting wikilinks.

  I was in the midst of a project that had something to do with the Tavistock in Ontario, which is the only reason I went to the article...I wanted to know where it was so I could figure out what timezone they were in. I didn't have time to do much else, and as I found out yesterday, everything I did for the client concerned ultimately turned out to be a colossal waste of time, since I was missing two critical pieces of information. Suckysuckysucky. I concur that efforts should be made to straighten out links when pages are moved, and if you dig deeply enough into my edit history, you'll find that I've expended a great deal of effort in this exercise in the past. You just happened to land on the exception. Tomer 17:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• The most recent edit you had made had an edit summary which, to me, made no sense as you declared "kidnap is not a noun". This irritated me further.

  Prozac?  ;-) Tomer 17:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• In short, I could (and probably should) have phrased my initial message to you in a more conciliatory tone, but the substance of what I said I stand by. Misdirected links devalue the work we all do on Misplaced Pages, making it a less useful resource, and undermining the work of others. To make one edit that corrupts 200 articles, and then do nothing about it is not the way to help Misplaced Pages grow. DuncanHill 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

  I know and understand... I've gotten irritated w/ fellow editors in the past myself. I think "corrupts" is a bit overboard, but I sympathize with the aggravation. I've got a touch of OCD myself. :-p Tomer 17:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, I'm off to Cubs now, I see you've been fixing the remaining bad links for Tavistock - Thanks :) DuncanHill 16:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup, and my time is up. What remains is mostly irrelevant or in userspaces where I'm not sure what the editors wanted. I've left messages for those editors on their talkpages. Good luck with the cub scouts. Regards, Tomer 17:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ugh. One more

The link in User:Emijrp/Coord is supposed to be to Tavistock, Devon, but I can't get the monstrous page to open. If you could try it, or leave User:Emijrp a note, that'd be grand. Cheers, Tomer 17:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It must be huge - I can't get into it either. DuncanHill 20:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, for now we'll hafta lump it, I guess. It's not in articlespace anyways. Meanwhile, I've left a note at es:Usuario discusión:Emijrp#en:Tavistock. If that elicits no response, I'll write it in Spanish. If that doesn't work, I'll just forget about it and move on. Anyhoo... Cheers, Tomer 03:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Er...it's not what I expected, but I guess this fixes it... Tomer 15:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I got a couple more today - I couldn't get into that last one until now, it kept crashing my browser! DuncanHill 15:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

East India Company

(cut and pasted from my user page)

From Noremacnomis I don't know how to answer you properly but the name of the East India Company is just that. It can be called the British ... East India Company as I knew there were other countries who had formed trading companies but to refer to it as the British East India Company is historically inaccurate and misleading. Additionally, it was of course, an English Company when it began and slowly evolved, with the expansion of Britain and the British Empire, into a British company. Your comments will be interesting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noremacnomis (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your message - I have answered you on your talk page. You can reply there (I have added it to my watchlist) or here - whichever is easiest for you. DuncanHill

Eh...for the record, while it's rarely discussed in the US, the EIC is always referred to in the US as the "British East India Company"... Tomer 15:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

And that's the problem - A Dutchman talking about "The East India Company" would probably mean the Dutch East India Company, and so on for Portugese etc. In Britain, most people would use "East India Company" to mean the British one - and likewise (I suspect) people from the USA and other countries which didn't have an East India Company. DuncanHill 15:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, I'm saying there is no such thing as "the East India Company" in American English usage. It's definitely got to be qualified by the sponsor country's name. Tomer 19:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

From Noremacnomis 7/7/07 Okay, I'll go along with what you have set up. I was following references to Macaulay and found what had been on his page about the British East India Company - which was inaccurate, and no such company existed. As Britain ruled half the world (and America) for a large part of the time, the word British would not have occurred to people & would have seemed unnecessary even if it had! (I appreciate your so called 'grumpiness' and your knowledge about HEIC, both my parents were born in India and one pf my forebears was none other than Clive himself - so I, too, have a slight interest in the case! ) I have corrected where I can see no-one my alterations - to the name you appended. I can see the alterations have brought forth more information! All best .

Your comment would be appreciated

• At Ownership forking revision proposal.--Doug 12:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
• At Dionigi di Borgo San Sepolcro. --Doug 17:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

1. http://mapping.cornwall.gov.uk/website/g5/frames.htm