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Personal attack concerns

With regard to your comments on Misplaced Pages talk:Build the web: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I'll freely admit that I didn't read the entire context of the discussion that took place between you and Radiant! (t c), but no amount of context or provocation can justify you using the term "Nazi" to describe a fellow editor. I'd suggest using preview and waiting a few minutes before hitting submit when you're replying to an editor who's made you angry. Also, remember that any comments about your fellow editor's behavior will typically come across as an ad hominem and potentially reduce the face value of the point you're trying to make. --Darkwind (talk) 12:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Well that's a nice, polished text that would have done its job well. However, I withdrew the comment, so what you're saying is quite irrelevant. And this does nothing to address the extreme behaviour of Radio. And if you had read the whole of the discourse, you'd have realised that it did indeed involve this person's behaviour, far beyond an issue of encyclopedic content. Tony 12:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like somebody failed to read WP:DTR. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I took some time to read over the discussion, and I agree with Radiant's concerns about your behavior, as well as Darkwind's use of the NPA2 warning. You did a good job initially of voicing your concerns about the policy/guideline, but when you were met with resistance, you began to tell the other editors how "offensive" you find them (particularly Radiant, though to my eye, Rossami has said more to dispute your claims than Radiant has). While you did retract two of your personal attacks (good for you!), I believe you are still in violation of WP:CIVIL on this matter - there are better, more civil ways to discuss the situation than the route you've apparently taken.

I do agree that in some cases, official WP policies and guidelines do not appear to be very clear or address all the issues that they need to. Keep in mind that it IS a difficult process to change them, though - consensus discussions occurred years ago on those policies and have long since been archived, so it makes it difficult to find them. But attacking other editors in any way, shape or form is not going to help your cause.

I'd advise you to make sure you're familiar with WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA and WP:COOL, step back from the discussion (and certainly do not threaten to be in a "protracted battle" with anyone), and come back when you're in a calmer state of mind. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bothering, but this misses the main point, which is the offensive behaviour of Radium. Registers a nil, I'm afraid. Tony 23:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I do not see a pattern of offensive behavior by Radiant, beyond some minor things which I have advised him/her on (like citing Godwin's Law). If you have some specific issues with Radiant, I encourage you to post links to the relevant diffs and describe what you feel is uncivil and offensive about them. A Wikiquette Alert has been opened to discuss this dispute - feel free to participate, and we'll attempt to mediate. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Block

It now appears that my whole ISP has been blocked; this is an unfortunate coincidence, coming in the middle of a dispute. I can edit this page, but no other. I therefore reply here that I have a suspicion that Radian has been stalking me with the intention of provoking disputes with me and trying to have me blocked on that basis. I may be reading too much into his/her actions, since I've been apprised that Radian routinely guards/maintains/controls some of our tags—specifically, the "private reflections" and "dispute" tags that I've recently posted and had reverted multiple times by Radian. I find his edit summaries particularly offensive.

Radian has indicated extreme discomfort at my analysis of his strategies at the gender-neutral language debate at MOS talk. S/he clearly does not like to be exposed in this way. I'm sorry to have been so direct in that analysis, but I felt the deceptive techniques (as I perceive them) needed to be discussed in the open. Others at the gender-neutral have been put off by R's comments (e.g., "kettle", on the talk page of the proposal).

So it appears that I've stupidly fallen into a trap. That is why I find it hard to take the posts above seriously. I'll just have to avoid Radian for the time being when it comes to those tags. Tony 02:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Gender

Hi Tony. Sorry if I'm more trouble than I'm worth, given the little dust-up with Hoary. (The weird part is that we hold the same opinion on singualar they!) I thought my advocacy of gender neutral was full-throated on WT:MOS, so I've done that much. Perhaps we should shorten it: two or three crisp sentences. Perhaps we should lengthen it: a full page guideline, as we have with WP:LEAD. Dunno. I will say that these issues are going to continue to be here, so it's not wrong of you to bring it up. But there's a lot that interlocks here, so it it may not be done tomorrow. Marskell 21:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)