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Revision as of 16:28, 29 September 2007 editRex Germanus (talk \| contribs)11,278 edits →Survey: removing anonymous. A: Not allowed to vote B Dutch[REDACTED] is not a source, nor does it list him as Johann, but Johan← Previous edit		Revision as of 16:38, 29 September 2007 edit undo84.145.195.64 (talk) Re-inserting comment removed by Rex.Next edit →
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	*'''Support'''. Obvious. -- ] ]  ]    15:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)		*'''Support'''. Obvious. -- ] ]  ]    15:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose'''. Obviously, "]" does not apply here. Last time I checked the English form of Dutch Johan, was John, not Johann. (a German variant) this man was a Dutchman, many sources indicate he was born there before he and his parents moved to Bonn. In later life he often visited the Netherlands, for example ]. The fact that he has (Dutch) family relations in the Netherlands going back to the 1500s seals the deal.] 16:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)		*'''Oppose'''. Obviously, "]" does not apply here. Last time I checked the English form of Dutch Johan, was John, not Johann. (a German variant) this man was a Dutchman, many sources indicate he was born there before he and his parents moved to Bonn. In later life he often visited the Netherlands, for example ]. The fact that he has (Dutch) family relations in the Netherlands going back to the 1500s seals the deal.] 16:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' ] looking at the multitude of references for "Johann" and the lack of references for "Johan" and the fact that even the Dutch wiki lists him has Johann (instead of Johan). ] 16:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' as nominator. ] 16:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)		*'''Support''' as nominator. ] 16:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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Name

"Johan van Beethoven" triggers only one hit in Google scholar and that one isn't in English. It triggers three hits in Google books, two are in French and the other isn't in English, either. "Johann van Beethoven", by contrast, has 39 hits in Google scholar, thirty being in English. It also triggers 300 hits in Google books, many or most of which are in English. I could not find any other names. Sciurinæ 17:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Johan van Beethoven → Johann van Beethoven — Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English) —Sciurinæ 17:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Misplaced Pages's naming conventions.

Support. Obvious. -- Matthead O 15:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. Obviously, "Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English)" does not apply here. Last time I checked the English form of Dutch Johan, was John, not Johann. (a German variant) this man was a Dutchman, many sources indicate he was born there before he and his parents moved to Bonn. In later life he often visited the Netherlands, for example Dutch fairs. The fact that he has (Dutch) family relations in the Netherlands going back to the 1500s seals the deal.Rex 16:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Support WP:COMMONNAME looking at the multitude of references for "Johann" and the lack of references for "Johan" and the fact that even the Dutch wiki lists him has Johann (instead of Johan). 84.145.195.64 16:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Support as nominator. Sciurinæ 16:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Reverted twice the moves of Rex Germanus (talk · contribs) and added sources for his ancestry. -- Matthead O 15:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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