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Bill Moyers

Since you weighed in earlier in the debate regarding the exchange between Moyers and O'Reilly, I'd appreciate your input here. —AldeBaer 08:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I just have too much on my plate right now to be able to help with that, sorry.--MONGO 13:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

No prob. You're welcome though to chime in anytime. —AldeBaer 14:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess we may as well redirect WP:SSP to WP:RfArb.Proabivouac 00:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey there

Hi, MONGO! I think your user page is pretty slick, do you mind if I steal the code for the large bordered box? Please reply on my talk page, and nil illegitimus carborundum!  east.718  03:31, August 18, 2007 

I don't mind...but the designer was Phaedriel so you might want to let her know.--MONGO 04:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom case for SevenOfDiamonds

I've put a request for arbitration on the sockpuppet accusations here. Please consider at least making a statment. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there, I noticed your comments on this RfArb, and your personal page of evidence regarding socks, and thought you might be interested to know I have filed an RFCU on other accounts that I suspect are socks of ZF/NU. Feel free to read and add your view on the matter. Should you want to I can provide more elaborate evidence as to why these pass the duck test for being socks. If not that is OK too. Respectfully Nomen Nescio 08:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Mighty Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		I rarely give these things out, but you deserve one for putting yourself in harm's way in my defense during my RfA. Crockspot 20:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Much appreciated...I'm sorry comments made at another site, most long ago, were used as fodder to destroy your adminship bid. I never saw any evidence that your actions on this site were an indication you wouldn't have followed all policies here regarding admin decisions.--MONGO 05:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

anonnyfell

Anonymous NY fellow?

AnonTexan, User:Merecat, Rex, Nuclear, zero. User:Stbalbach/anontexan checkuser might have more info. --Tbeatty 06:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a troll...not sure why he was only blocked for 24 hours when his account is an SPA set up solely for disruption...me thinks.--MONGO 06:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Assume good faith!!!Proabivouac 06:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup...--MONGO 06:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The AGF policy should have a new nutshell that says "Assume penis good vagina faith fuck you." - Crockspot 20:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think these are related: User:66.98.130.204 is first on the list. I think ryan thought rex and nuclear were the same. I didn't believe it then, but these are too many coincidences. --Tbeatty 07:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

And see User:Hogeye User:72.225.141.250 and this edit. Hogeye is linked to rex. That IP is roadrunner in NY as well as a lot of the anon texan IPs. --Tbeatty 07:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

All this is possible, but not something I am going to pursue. It has been laborous to ID Diamonds as it is, and my orginal suspicions proved wrong and it was only after I examined the diffs and the template work and then discovered other items that I saw what we were dealing with with and who. Honestly, my involvement, if this is accepted by arbcom, is to post the evidence I have on the evidence page and walk away from it.--MONGO 14:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict

MONGO, I'm sorry, but I made a million little changes to the "Impact" section and then got an edit conflict with you--predictably, as I foolishly had it open for ages--it didn't look like you'd changed very much, in that section, so I saved mine, I'm afraid. Could you possibly redo your change/s/ to that section? I think all you did in it was change an image--not sure--it's so complicated! I'll butt out now, anyway, and leave it to you for today. Frutti di Mare 21:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC).

• Ach, never mind, I panicked like a dolt, that's all. Now that I've saved it's quite easy to see in the history that the image was in fact all you changed in that section. I've fixed it, is all good, ignore previous message. Frutti di Mare 21:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC).

I should have let you finish what you were doing...sorry for the confusion...it's best if I don't get in the way of a master copyeditor. I sure am glad that I didn't mess you up.--MONGO 21:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 22:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

class=start

Sorry to ask what's probably a n00b question, but what does class=start mean? (I noticed that you added this on the Rick Jore article today.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosemite1967 (talk • contribs) 06:06, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

The Wikiproject Montana template has a link to Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment which explains this further.--MONGO 15:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks! Makes sense now. Yosemite1967 16:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Seeking your opinion on WP:SYN or WP:OR

Don't worry, I'm not trying to draw you into any disputes. Actually, my question is mostly general, but I'll give a couple of specific examples. First, I'll start with on that's on the Glacier project page (which is why I'm asking you in the first place) — if a source gives a glacier's dimensions in width and feet, is it WP:OR (or WP:SYN) to convert this to an area that would be measured in acres? If not, (and I'm assuming it's not), why not? Secondly (and this one relates to something I've done at least once in the past but wasn't called on it), how about if a star's apparent magnitude and distance are given and a simple formula allows you to calculate the absolute magnitude from that information — would including that information be WP:OR? Ben Hocking 14:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I have used length and width to determine rough area in acreage and hectares, etc. before. I generally subtract it a bit to adjust for the irregular shapes of glaciers, but since the actual area connot be referenced, it is borderline OR. As far as star magnitude, I guess this is a similar vein, but I am not familiar with those calculations. I would have to say that due to our need to make the calculations ourselves, we do violate or when dealing with relatively less concrete areas. The same issue applies to irregular areas such as lake, in which even if we have the correct length and width, the actual acreage is impacted by the irregualr surface area. I have seen shoreline references, but not sure how to add that to length and width to determine precise area. As a rule of thumb, (though, I have not allows followed it either), I would have to say that if we cannot reference it, then it is best to leave it blank. I'll look over the Glacier project page and see if we need to make adjustments.--MONGO 16:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

To proceed

Hi MONGO. Given that Seven has stated he's leaving and he hasn't refuted your evidence beyond what he wrote ahead of time, I don't think this case needs to drag on for much longer. I guess there are two ways to go forward: either make a motion that has Seven blocked as a sockpuppet and the case dismissed at /Workshop#Motions and requests by the parties, or make a few proposals in the right sections under /Workshop#Proposed final decision, say a principle on sockpuppetry, a finding of fact with a link to your evidence, and a remedy stating Seven is to be blocked indefinitely, and hope an arbitrator brings it into the voting phase pretty quickly. Picaroon (t) 04:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm probably stayng out of making any motions or similar. I originally brought a more concise set of evidence to arbcom enforcement, where the responding admins were unable to reach a consensus that Diamonds was banned editor NuclearUmpf. I had entended to drop it at that point and just simply do all I could to avoid him. I did respond a couple more times to his mischaracterizations and so, it was taken to arbitration to seek a remedy. My time is very limited as of late on Misplaced Pages due to real life situations which might not change in the near future, so all I did, as requested, was post my evidence. I'll think it over and see what transpires over the weekend.--MONGO 13:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't like your evidence much (I probably just don't have the patience to understand it). My question is whether his current editing is responsible or not. Fred Bauder 14:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Then don't arbitrate the case if you are too impatient to examine the evidence....--MONGO 16:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

And to think, the opening paragraph at arbcom reads: Evidence, no matter who can provide it, is very welcome... Go figure? JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 03:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Rapidly losing my respect

This is just pathetic, when compared with this. Come on, MONGO. You can do better than that! ElinorD (talk) 17:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ha...well, you see, the thing is, I try not to broadcast excellence all over the place. I have a longer version I might work on, and add three or four more words to summarize the obvious. Thing is, no one disagrees with linking to critical commentary about Misplaced Pages and most fo it's editors...but no one has provided me with one good reason for why we need to link to a website that "outs" our contributors...aka: harassment.--MONGO 17:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

We should all change our sigs to include it. --DHeyward (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DHeyward (talk • contribs) 07:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Another top article by MONGO

Only with a lot of help from my friends!--MONGO 06:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

COI ?

hmmm --DHeyward 03:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Not just a COI, but also it is just disruption and potential BLP defamation. Misplaced Pages is not the place to promote accusations...I forsee an indefinite ban...not sure why it hasn't happened already.--MONGO 06:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

hmmmmm Some might call this Wikistalking and harrassment! I am sorry if you people want to hide the Gay side of some of your RW heros. Please read the article on Outing. As more and more RWs are shown to enjoy Gay sex, especially people who condemn Gay sex but practice it themselves, like Ted Haggard it will take away some of the bad stigma. Its time for all the RW Gay sex practicers to come out of the closets and admit how much they like Gay sex! (IMO) Theres that old saying "Try it, you'll like it!" Thats too true! Why do you think more and more people are trying Gay sex!? Its okay, (IMO) to have a wife and kids and enjoy some Gay sex now and then! (no Meth or poppers though!) "Try it, you'll like it!" •smedleyΔbutler• 04:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Bmedley...running around adding specualtions about people's sexual orientation in our articles is probably a bad idea...I would only do this if they openly stated there were hetero, gay or, well, something else and it can be very well referenced.--MONGO 05:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Bmedley Sutler, your comments here are totally unnecessary and completely inappropriate.Proabivouac 05:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I just brought him up at ANI (again) because of this statement. Pablo Talk | Contributions 05:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

He is (now was) FAAFA...his rant in his edit summary here is identical to the POV and ones he made when editing as FAAFA.--MONGO 06:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Which was already completely obvious some time ago when he was blocked for "proxying for" FAAFA.Proabivouac 06:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, we can't "guess" as that would be "confirmation bias", heh.--MONGO 06:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm paraphrasing Jesus, Thomas Jefferson, or Gandhi, but when we don't assume the good faith of the most obvious trolls, we're not really assuming good faith at all. Anything less is a witchhunt.Proabivouac 07:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The guy might as well admit it was him.... If he hadn't started on that odd "outting" campaign about tagging bios with alternative lifestyles he'd still be here...oddly enough, I "like" FAAFA and had no real problem with Bmedley either...our interactions were rarely bad overall. You can bet he'll be back...so my advice Bmedley...be cool and help us write a better encyclopedia, okay?--MONGO 21:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

		My RFA
		I thank you for participating in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 60 supports, no opposes, no neutrals, and one abstain. Edison 14:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Woo!

Awesome work on Yellowstone fires of 1988. I remember driving from Jackson through the south entrance only a few days (maybe even hours) before they closed it down, and seeing the fires burning on the other side of Lewis Lake. I lived in Basin, Wyoming at the time, which is about 100 miles due east of the park, and there were days when you could barely see more then 5 feet in front of you due to the smoke. Anyway, enough of my reminiscing, congrats on the featured article status. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 22:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...glad you enjoyed it. I bet those fires you saw were the Red and Shoshone fires that later almost destroyed the entire Grant Village complex.--MONGO 04:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The Wyoming WikiProject Let 'Er Buck Award

		The Let 'Er Buck award from WikiProject Wyoming
		Thanks MONGO, for your hard work improving articles about the great state of Wyoming.

On behalf of the entire Wyoming WikiProject thanks for your work in making Yellowstone fires of 1988 a featured article, as well as your tireless monitoring of Yellowstone and Northwestern Wyoming articles. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...that is very nice!--MONGO 03:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

May I add my congratulations as well? It is splendid work and an excellent addition to WP. Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

That fire progression map and some great copyediting you added helped the article greatly...thanks!--MONGO 04:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Attack sites opened

Hello, MONGO. The arbitration case in which you commented to has opened. Please provide evidences on the evidence page for the Arbitrators to consider. You may also want to utilize the workshop page for suggestions.

For the Arbitration Committee,
- Penwhale | 21:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okie-dokie.--MONGO 21:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm more important than you. You only commented: I'm a party! And poor insignificant SOPHIA isn't there at all! (This is my first time.) By the way, have you managed to spam your essay in any more places? I told you I was quite disappointed at your spamming abilities. ElinorD (talk) 21:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the spamming has commenced...see imbedded links here...to keep it from being too obvious. err.--MONGO 21:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Not bad, but you still have a long way to go. ElinorD (talk) 21:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I see...well, I wonder if my cow is sufficient as evidence then. I doubt she would take too kindly to someone posting where her calfs go to school or that her daddy had been turned into a steak.--MONGO 21:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Why not spam here? :) Acalamari 21:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome to spam at my Talk page any time, dear MONGO - but next time, bring that cute eagle instead of the cow! ;) Seriously, it's great to have you visiting me any time, sweetie. I'll keep an eye on the ArbCom case. Lots of xxx, Phaedriel - 22:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha! :) Thanks! I love it! Acalamari 22:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Certainly...--MONGO 22:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Click there to open your card! → → →

Dearest MONGO,
Thank you for your participation in my RFA, which closed successfully with 96 supports, 1 oppose, and 3 neutrals. No matter if you !voted support, oppose, neutral, I thank you for taking the time to drop by. I'm a new admin remember, so if you have any suggestions feel free to inform me of them. I would like to give a special shout out to Hirohisat, Wizardman, and Husond, for there original co-nominations. Thank you once again and good day.

Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor

Credits

This RFA thanks was inspired by Phaedriel's RFA thanks. So unfortunatly this is not entirely my own design.

		The Featured Article Barnstar
		"Featured articles are considered to be the best articles in Misplaced Pages..." For your hard work here on these and others, I award you this barnstar. Good work indeed. JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 03:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

		Ready to swab the deck!
		Another motley scallawag has joined the crew. Thanks for your comments at my RFA. Arrrgh! - - Jehochman 03:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)