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Mushroom removed links

Hi - On Oct. 30th you removed a batch of hypertext links from Mushroom. What was the reason? Heliocybe 16:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

You're talking about this edit. I removed the extra links which (in my view) did not add anything to the article. Misplaced Pages is not a collection of external links, and it is better to bring in actual referenced content to the article (a good use of external links, so long as they are reliable sources) than to add many links to external websites. I hope that makes clear why I did what I did. If there is a specific link you feel I may have removed in error, you may discuss it at Talk:Mushroom and see if a consensus exists to restore the link. Best wishes, --John 16:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation and yes that was the edit. Some were useful, but it is not necessarily a battle I wish to do. However I can add the topic on as a discussion item. You may remove this chat topic from your log if you wish. Heliocybe 18:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Flags

Just wanted to say that none of my comments are meant as an attack as I'm trying to understand the issue at hand. I read some of my comments again and they seem a bit abrasive but the intention was to raise concern over some issues and not to direct pointed remarks. Keep on putting up the good fight and I'll catch you in another article sometime. --I already forgot 20:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for your message. --John 21:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I apologise for the edits putting back the flag on the M16 article. Next time I should thoroughly read the discussion first. I was quickly making the edits without thinking it through. If this is the case for the M16 and AK-47 articles, all the others need the flag removed too. A user has put a flag on almost every firearm article, we will probably need a bot to remove them. Again, I'm very sorry. Hayden120 23:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, no problem at all. The whole thing is really a storm in a teacup. Thank you for your co-operation in self-reverting. I appreciate it. As far as the removal of the rest of these flags goes, I would leave it another day or two, just in case anybody else wants to contribute to the discussion (it has only been going for just over 24 hours). Best wishes to you, --John 23:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Rarelibra

Rarelibra sent me -quite- the e-mail:

If you keep on putting down slanderous lies and defamations about me on Misplaced Pages, you are going to find yourself rather quickly in a situation that you won't be able to handle, NASA boy. You seem smart - so figure out what the punishment is for libel and defamation of character - and exactly how much it will cost you. I'm not personally attacking you on every page, so you best keep your mouth closed and concentrate on something positive.

Keep on pushing me and see what happens. You think I don't know a few people in government, NASA boy? Keep it up and see how far down the rabbit hole really goes.

You've been warned.

This was sent by Rarelibra <rarelibra@yahoo.com> through Misplaced Pages e-mail at 11/01/2007 10:43 PM. I've posted it on the ANI as well. Now I have Fut. Perf. making suggestions that I be indefinitely banned from discussions on this region. I worked a lot to get neutral titles that weren't the same old titles that users from German Misplaced Pages or Italian Misplaced Pages pushed for. I come back on here after a break and the day I come in I see Rarelibra telling some new visitor that I'm an Italo-extremist. Of course I had a reaction. It is just really tiresome, these three users (Gryffindor, Rarelibra, and PhJ) who routinely come by to lambaste us. Anyway, I consider this e-mail he sent quite serious, and I hope someone can deal with it. I also wish someone could just mediate on the Province of Bolzano-Bozen page when people come in starting edit wars. Icsunonove 08:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Can You Unblock?

Can you unblock 64.90.138.2 thats the school IP and thats my school and i can't edit or do anything really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ripper man5 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Headsup

I'm starting to suspect that User:Williewikka is yet another Wikzilla sock, since its a new account and so far an SPA. He just hit the 3RR limit, with another revert on the Typhoon page. Thoughts? AKRadecki 18:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I spotted and warned him for a POINT violation. Let's wait and see. If he continues to revert a 3RR block would be in order obviously. Checkuser would be our next option, unless you feel it is so obvious a sock as not to require it. Even in that instance I would probably like to get other eyes on it, but that's just me. --John 18:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The name seems to fit the pattern, (Wikzilla, Rangerwik, Wikanroll, Wikawuka), and he seems to like to make disruptive edits to specifically the F-22 and Typhoon pages. After further checking, Williewikka was created on October 1, one day after Wikawuka, and only made his first edit today. WZ bragged back when this trolling first began about having multiple sleeper accounts. I have absolutely no problem with a check user. It would be very helpful, actually, to run it on a couple other of WZ's socks, named and IP, to establish a consistent pattern. Do you know a checkuser admin? AKRadecki 18:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe our mutual friend User:Lar has this right. Was there a SP report on Wikzilla? We should probably do this by the book. --John 18:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

He made AIV and 3RR, but I don't think it was ever taken to SOCK. A detailed chronology can be seen here. I can cut and paste certain portions of the chronology (to make it more succinct), if you think a formal report should be pursued for the record. AKRadecki 19:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I have taken the liberty of starting it here. I can help you add evidence if need be. --John 19:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Roger that, I'll go add some in and let you know, and you can vet if necessary. AKRadecki 19:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

(deindent) Ok, I've posted an evidence summary...looks like another admin has tagged Williewikka as a sock, so I've added him to the list. I'm going to be away from the keyboard for a couple of hours, feel free to leave me notes if anything needs to be fixed/changed. AKRadecki 20:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Amy Winehouse

Hi John, sorry I know you're busy, but please can you advise, I'm not going to get into an edit war. re. these edits to the Amy Winehouse biography article. Apparently some people have dressed as Amy Winehouse for Halloween and this is notable enough to go on her biography page according to User:Vagary. Someone else has deleted it too (only to be put back again), so I'm not the only one that thinks it's kak, and now User:Vagary re-instated it (yet again) and this is despite the ongoing discussion on the article's talk page. I questioned it's newsworthiness, notability, whether it should be included on a WP:LIVING and I also said I thought it was questionable info and insulting and so I deleted it. Do you think it should be on a living biography article? If you think it's fine then I'll say no more. Sue Wallace 07:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Sue. I tend to agree with you and have posted on the article talk page. --John 18:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

He still hasn't taken it down though, but thanks for taking a look, I'll see if any of the others delete it again, other than that, I think I'll leave that article alone. Anyway, I thought I should let you know, I think I found an editor who I believe has/is creating half-believable(?) fake articles, I noticed after I deleted some fake info he put on the Death of Diana, Princess of Wales article, take a look at User:JTMEcrazy contributions, I don't know how to tag/deal with them. Am I right? Have a good one. :) Sue Wallace 10:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Guidance needed?

I see that from an old version of User:Perspicacite's talk page you gave some good advice previously: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Perspicacite&oldid=154362888#Edit_warring_on_Zimbabwe

I am pretty brand new here but I see that you are a very experienced and respected administrator, so I wonder if it would be more diplomatic if you pointed out that this reversion by User:Perspicacite to an old version of the article he had edited

1. lost a picture
2. lost conversion templates
3. changed (without consensus or discussion) to spellings and date formats to those prevalent in the USA, whereas Tokelau is a non self-governing colonial territory of the Commonwealth country of New Zealand and, therefore, the article has a strong connection to an WP:ENGVAR in addition to non US-English being the current variant.

If you're too busy I will understand, of course, and thanks in advacne for any assistance you can offer. Alice.S 10:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Alice. I have replied on your talk page. --John 18:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response, John.

I will try and formulate a response and post it on my own user page shortly. Alice.S 01:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Alice.S has now followed me onto at least two other pages, stalking me after I went back and reverted the 4 regional spelling changes I made to the article. Perspicacite 05:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I just posted at here, asking you both to calm down a bit. Stalking, sock-puppetry etc are serious charges to be throwing around. There seems no reason for anyone to be blocked over this, but you were wrong on the spelling issue and you shouldn't read too much into someone else correcting you. I know it can hurt sometimes to be corrected, but that humility and ability to accept correction is part of what is needed to edit a major wiki such as this. Please don't take things so personally; I am sure you are both just trying to improve the encyclopedia. Go and edit some unrelated articles for a while or have a cup of tea or something. That's what I would do. Good luck. --John 05:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? She said she would stop following me onto other pages if I agreed to not edit Tokelau. Sorry, no, calling her out on that is not uncivil. This is practically an admission of wrongdoing. Considering the amount of incivility I have gotten from her I'm pretty surprised we're even having this conversation. Perspicacite 07:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The last comment to Petri was ill-advised. I concede that. Perspicacite 07:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hi John

Hi. I was just looking through your contributions, as I happened to see a comment you made at WP:AN/I, and I couldn't help notice the amount of work you do around here in various different areas, including article building, alot of vandal fighting, wikignoming and in various admin areas which are all beneficial to the encyclopedia. I am quite impressed for this reason I would like to present to you:

Im quite surprised that you haven't received this already. Happy editing. Tbo (talk) 16:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --John 17:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

No worries :). Tbo (talk) 17:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom

I thought the witch hunt was over but obviously not.

1. I have never sent you an anonymous email let alone undertake a "campaign of anonymous emails". Everytime I have had to say something to say to you I have let you know and dont need to hide behind skirts.

2. I have issues with Rock, he has issues with me. He tried his hardest to get me banned, it didnt succeed - for these reasons I do not want to interact with him I consider his motive when dealing with be malicious and trying to provoke me. I have asked him at least 10 times not to post on my talk page but he continues to do so. If he wants the Arbcom to fail he is going about it the right way.

3. Your examples of "bad faith" are bad faith assupmtions in themselves! 4. Your example of "POV" pushing on Northern Ireland topics shows either niavity or ignorance of boxing - possibly understandable.

4. I didnt know that a set of probation criteria had been agreed - believe that or not - I dont really care but its the truth.

Nice of you to chip in though - especially after the Arbcom is not - you are not stupid are ya! ;) --Vintagekits 19:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. As I said, I now think it is not productive for us to deal directly with each other. I am sorry it has come to this. --John 19:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

It doesnt bother me at all - infact I prefer it that way also - however, you are smearing and spreading lies about me on Rocks page - I would appriciate if you stopped that. Its nnot helpful or productive. I have been a good wee bhoy since getting unblocked, there wasnt a problem until Rock began posting on my talkpage - he came looking for problems and doesnt like it when he finds one. Anyway I digress - you have a job to get on with.--Vintagekits 22:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Vintagekits, I would note that the only reason I would prefer not to interact with you personally is that you have a habit of being abusive and of making unsubstantiated accusations against me. I note that even in this last post you are continuing by accusing me of "smearing and spreading lies". If you were ever genuinely to become capable of civil debate you would be welcome here. Until then, --John 23:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Mick Jones

How do you mean? And what have i exactly done wrong?I can even source it if you want.Zivb2007

It needs sourced at a minimum. We would also need a consensus that the info was important enough to include. --John 20:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Adminship

Thanks for your message and your support. I am still interested in serving as an admin but I will be quite busy for the next week so is it ok if I can message you when I am ready. In the mean time, I would like to thank you very much for your coaching. Can I also ask if User:Lar is happy with me going for an RfA soon as I wouldn't want to go for one until both my admin coaches feel that I am ready. Thanks. Tbo (talk) 21:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to leave you with this:

The mop and bucket manual Thank you for the admin coaching. The coaching was of great quality and really did make me think about Misplaced Pages and it has been a very good learning process. Tbo (talk) 16:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

As I have mentioned to User:Lar, I will contact you and User:John when I am ready. Thanks again and happy editing. :) Tbo (talk) 16:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Probably about time I read this... --John 17:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Another sock?

I gotta run, but you might want to watch User:Wikalliz. Similar name, one suspicious edit here and, curiously, both on their talk and user page, plus almost all the user summaries, "grammar" is mispelled "grammer"...odd mistake for someone trying to clean things up. AKRadecki 01:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello again!

Nice to see you back! (Poor old Rockpocket took most of the flak while you were away.)

John, I'd like to start by saying that I think that you're one of the best Admins that I've come across. That said, however... I have my concerns over your block of LiberalViews. Looking at his contributions, he seems to have produced some 200 edits over his Wiki career, albeit that he's been contributing for a year. The edit history doesn't show any naughtiness. The problems seem to have begun on the Irish Famine talk page, although those are still (largely) civil edits, and escalated/ degenerated to the Sir Fozzie attack. Within 24 hours, in rapid succession, he got a warning, last warning, Arb Com probation, and (finally) block; this on an editor who has no previous history of misbehaviour and who was clearly frustrated at the situation on the Irish articles that he had inadvertently blundered into.

I think it's always a shame to lose editors, and I'd be concerned that (what seems to have been) frustration on his side has blown up into being tagged as a disruptive editor. Please can I ask you to at least reconsider the block, perhaps reduce it to time served, and I'll also leave a message on his Talk page to try and explain and damp down the situation, and, with luck, that'll be it. If it works, so much the better; if it doesn't, I'll be the first to agree that a block is warranted.--Major Bonkers (talk) 09:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No offence, but what are you talking about? He was already warned about his conduct by ArbCom member Mackensen for this edit (a "(largely) civil edit" in your opinion), and it got worse from there. Firstly there was the removal of reliably sourced content claiming "propaganda", adding POV/weaselry (source says nothing of the sort). Then related to that there's claiming sources were used falsely, further similar accusations and trolling, trolling including inflammatory edit summary, more trolling, soapboxing, personal attacks and trolling, and repeated trolling on the WikiProject talk page. Just in case you aren't aware, IED refers to improvised explosive device, and apparently WikiProject members would send them to his house?!! There's three diffs after that as well, but I'm sure you've seen them already?

What "situation on the Irish articles"? He didn't like what the sources said so he did the following

• Remove reliably sourced information claiming it wasn't in the source provided (which it was) saying "I was removing a false claim about a source" and "Show us where in the sources it says he "was beaten by british soldiers and required 47 stitches". It says no such thing and you know it". Check the reference as others have done, it's there in black and white.
• Amend a sentence to include that an informer "allegedly" confessed, when the source says no such thing. In fact the source goes into detail about the whole situation, there is no "allegedly" about it.

The "situation on the Irish articles" is caused (in part) when editors ignore what sources say and decide to add their own opinion of events, and if you think that's acceptable I invite you to fully study the ArbCom in question as you'll find it isn't. The ArbCom has hopefully drawn a line under such antics and said they are no longer acceptable. If people wish to edit in such a manner, then they are responsible for any results. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages. The 24-hour block was well-earned. That is what happens if you continue to edit abusively after a warning. I will be happy to issue a longer block if the situation is repeated, which I trust it will not be. ONiH, I agree with you and I hope your optimism about the ArbCom decision is well-placed. --John 15:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, John; thank you for at least reading what I wrote and giving it some consideration. I don't hold any particular candle for LiberalViews, but, having come across the situation from Rockpocket's Talk page, it seemed to have escalated very rapidly and been borne largely out of frustration (and, God knows, we all find the situation frustrating). I'm not sure that there's much point going further and answering One Night In Hackney fully: yes, I have gone through LiberalViews' edits and the responses to them, so - thank you for your consideration - I do know what I'm talking about (and I don't think that the sarcastic posting of an Irish Republican Wikiproject template on that editor's Talk page was intended to help very much). Thank you also for your invitation 'to fully study' the ArbCom decision, but I have already done so. --Major Bonkers (talk) 16:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

So if you'd looked through his edits, why are you trying to portray him as some innocent victim who should be unblocked? Just like you always seem to do when anyone involved in this saga who isn't an alleged Irish republican gets blocked. What's the "situation" with the Martin Meehan article? If you've looked, you should be able to tell me right? As for your attempt to score points over grammar, the English language is fluid and has evolved since you were at school tossing anti-semetic and racist slurs round like confetti. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd be extremely grateful if you would try and remain civil with me. I'd encourage you to read carefully what I actually wrote so that you do not accidentally misrepresent me; thus:

• the Irish Famine talk page, although those are still (largely) civil edits does not equal a specific example being a "(largely) civil edit" in your opinion

I am not trying to portray anyone as anything they are not: LiberalViews' record speaks for itself, and can be just as easily be looked up by John as by you or me. Similarly, there is no hidden agenda on my part to do down some editors and promote others. You will be aware that I previously made (equally unproductive) representations on behalf of Gaimhreadhan when he was blocked, and yet I also awarded a barnstar to SirFozzie. And you've also spelled 'anti-semitic' wrongly.--Major Bonkers (talk) 19:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

States Reorganization Commission

John/Alan, I'm trying to AFD the States Reorganization Commission article after my PROD was removed. However, following the instrustions on the AFD template is proving to be a mess. Can you help me sort this out? If you think an AFD is not appropriate here, go ahead and do what you think is best. Thanks. (Also posted on User talk:Akradecki - BillCJ 20:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I've done that. Full instructions are at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion, but it is a rather complicated process. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/States Reorganisation Commission. Best wishes, --John 22:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your support.

Especially for your comments about me being cool in a crisis. It was harder than it looked, *not* because of the initial content, but because the block evasion was bugging me so much. A sign of a born admin? ;-)

Remember, remember, the fifth of November? Thank you to everyone who participated in my Request for adminship, which was successful at 50/5/0 on November 5th, 2007. It became, as you may know, rather contentious toward the end (though fortunately no gunpowder was involved), and I appreciate the work of other Wikipedians to keep it focused. --Thespian 03:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Firearms

Welcome to the WikiProject Firearms. I hope you enjoy being a member.--LWF 05:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I hope I can be some help to you. --John 05:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Query about removal of The Smiths album cover images

I was just wondering why they were removed, given that there is nothing to state they didn't meet fair use requirements on the image pages. I didn't upload them, I'm just curious. SteveRamone 20:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I notice that they don't actually have a fair use justification from the uploader, but they still seem to meet the fair use requirements. SteveRamone 20:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Steve and thanks for your question. Album cover images are only normally fair use in the artcle on the album, and not in any other. --John 21:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

POV

Stop vandalising my work please these were legit edits!