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:Generally speaking, I agree with you - and I think that is the attitude that is prevalent in Misplaced Pages. There are folks who want to see Misplaced Pages as a nation unto itself, but it is simply not reality. I hope you aren't offended by my motin to add you as a party - you should know, if you don't already, that it doesn't affect the likelihood of sanction either way but merely serves (in my experience) to broaden the scope of the ultimate decision - which can only be good for Misplaced Pages. However, it will be difficult for them to address the broader issue of the impact of real-world legal obligations if you don't make a statement or contribute any evidence. <sup>]]</sup> 22:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC) :Generally speaking, I agree with you - and I think that is the attitude that is prevalent in Misplaced Pages. There are folks who want to see Misplaced Pages as a nation unto itself, but it is simply not reality. I hope you aren't offended by my motin to add you as a party - you should know, if you don't already, that it doesn't affect the likelihood of sanction either way but merely serves (in my experience) to broaden the scope of the ultimate decision - which can only be good for Misplaced Pages. However, it will be difficult for them to address the broader issue of the impact of real-world legal obligations if you don't make a statement or contribute any evidence. <sup>]]</sup> 22:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I plan to make a statement in defense of not only Jim but OM.--] (]) 22:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC) :I plan to make a statement in defense of not only Jim but OM.--] (]) 22:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::This discussion is so silly as to make me want to cry. First of all, as long as VO kept his identity secret (which, honestly, he did everything but post his last name and SSN on the user page), I'd not be able to do anything. Second, no one here gets to make an interpretation of what is or is not applicable to me. I agree with everyone that if VO were working for say Apple Computer, and he was editing the Microsoft article, I'd not call up Steve and say, "hey dude, VO is ruining the Microsoft article on your internet access." OK, I actually might do that, because Steve would send me a new iPhone. :) ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 22:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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tools for checking refs?

Hi, I think i saw some back 'n forth between you 'n Sandy 'n Colin about tools for checking references... I would be very interested in learning anything you've learned (both now & in the future). Thanks! Ling.Nut (talk) 01:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind me butting in here. There are two great tools for checking references. The first, older one, is user:Gimmetrow's Reference Fixer, located here. The talk page has instructions on how to install and use it. It is a wonderful tool for fixing the punctuation so that it precedes the footnote. It also moves citation needed and other such tags to the end of a sentence, all automated. The second, brand-new tool is Dispenser's Linkchecker, which is causing quite a stir on FAC. It uses spider software to search for dead links and references in FACs. It can also be used manually to check individual articles. The link to the spider version for FAC is here. Firsfron of Ronchester 07:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again! Those both look like very good tools. Will check them out... Ling.Nut (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
You do know I was just joshing, right? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
We didn't know you had a sense of humor?????  :) OrangeMarlin 01:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Chiropractic

Hey Orange - random question. As a medical doctor, what's your opinion of chiropractic? I mean the least pseudoscientific sort - you know, Mixer or Reform. (Misplaced Pages seems to be rather positive toward the concept overall. Just wondered what you thought. standonbible 22:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I actually don't believe that ANY medical procedure should receive a "positive." It should be balanced as to its success or failure rate, side-effects, etc. (No that doesn't mean I think that Alternative medicine is medicine.) However, with respect to chiropractic--undecided. From what I know, Chiropractors receive significant education and training. They can read an x-ray of the spine much better than I can. They understand skeletal-muscular relationships fairly well. I consider them a higher level of masseuse, one that understands kinesiology and other physiological relationships. They can't prescribe drugs (at least here in California), so they aren't quite physicians, but they provide a service. A lot of physicians dislike them. A lot of physicians use their services. I think a neutrally positive article makes a lot of sense. OrangeMarlin 23:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Some peer-reviewed studies have suggested that for some forms of back pain, they are competitive with or superior to surgery or other treatments. However, they do not always work with back pain only, and in those other areas I would be very cautious.--Filll (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

May I ask a question?

I see you are a Dr. in CA. So here's my question which I have been unable to find the right search words for to Google. I have had three surgeries since '01. The surgery in "01 never asked me about any alternates or OTC's I was taking, just wanted a lst of RX's. The next two surgeries required me to inform the hospital of all alternates and OTC's tried in the past 6 months. Do you know if this is the norm now everywhere or is it by hospital or state (I'm in FL)? Thanks for any input you may be able to give. --CrohnieGal 14:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

They should always ask. It's usually the anesthesiologist who needs to know if there are going to be any medications, OTC or Rx, that may affect blood pressure or the efficacy of the anesthetic. However, there are drugs like aspirin which, of course, thin the blood, and could cause certain bleeding issues. So, yes, it is an absolute necessity, though I have no clue if it is a legally required. Any hospital or surgery center would need to know what you have flowing through your blood, so they don't accidentally injure you. It's interesting that there are some herbs that people take that, in sufficient quantity, can have a negative effect during anesthesia. It's important information. OrangeMarlin 16:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh just to clarify, I'm not asking for medical advice for me. What I was asking is do you know of a link or at least how I could find whether there are laws (rules) in place for pre-surgery questions like this for articles? I have a complete list on me at all time of everything I take whether it's via RX or OTC. But I sometimes have trouble using the right search words to locate things like this. I totally understand the reasons why everything should be disclosed but amazingly a lot of people are not aware that OTC's of any kind should be disclosed. My mother didn't think it was important because as she put it "OTC's are safe" so she and my aunt felt it wasn't necessary to tell them at the hospital prior to surgery. I think this information can be useful in many articles, don't you? Thanks for your response, it's much appreciated. --CrohnieGal 17:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Medication reconciliation is a step required by policy in many medical institutions, and is just good medicine in general, but I don't believe it is legally required. Some hospitals may implement it based on recommendations from the Joint Commission or other accreditation bodies, you might search through documentation about the accreditation requirements to find what you are looking for. 22:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am not sure there is a "law" or regulation to cover what is supposed to be done prior to surgery. There'd be dozens of exceptions making it useless. For example, a trauma patient may not be able to communicate or even remember anything. I think hospitals would have guidelines, surgeons and anesthesiologists would be trained to ask these questions, but frankly, I'd laugh hysterically if I saw one of them consulting a set of rules before starting surgery on me. Then I'd ask for a more experienced surgeon.  :) OrangeMarlin 22:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Jim62sch/Evidence

FYI, the Foundation's lawyer is Mike Godwin who wrote the response not Mike Chad. JoshuaZ (talk) 20:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I was drinking heavily and plotting the overthrow of Iceland. It was difficult to remember a name. OrangeMarlin 22:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jim62sch

An arbitrator has added you as a party to the above arbitration case, in which you have already participated. You are invited to add any additional statements or evidence to the relevant pages. For the Arbitration Committee, Cbrown1023 talk 21:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest you include the UCMJ articles and relevant air force regulations either in a statement or evidence in the ArbCom case. Additionally some of the more temperate (later) comments on your talk page on this issue would be appropriate. 21:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Fundamentally, I will not participate. If you choose to sanction me in any way that is opposed to the laws of the United States, I will leave here because I cannot be a party to a request to disobey a law. Only I (or my attorneys) get to interpret the laws of the United States, not a bunch of anonymous individuals on a computer screen--what makes you or anyone here so special that they make that interpretation. Misplaced Pages does not sit above the law. OrangeMarlin 22:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Generally speaking, I agree with you - and I think that is the attitude that is prevalent in Misplaced Pages. There are folks who want to see Misplaced Pages as a nation unto itself, but it is simply not reality. I hope you aren't offended by my motin to add you as a party - you should know, if you don't already, that it doesn't affect the likelihood of sanction either way but merely serves (in my experience) to broaden the scope of the ultimate decision - which can only be good for Misplaced Pages. However, it will be difficult for them to address the broader issue of the impact of real-world legal obligations if you don't make a statement or contribute any evidence. 22:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I plan to make a statement in defense of not only Jim but OM.--Filll (talk) 22:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
This discussion is so silly as to make me want to cry. First of all, as long as VO kept his identity secret (which, honestly, he did everything but post his last name and SSN on the user page), I'd not be able to do anything. Second, no one here gets to make an interpretation of what is or is not applicable to me. I agree with everyone that if VO were working for say Apple Computer, and he was editing the Microsoft article, I'd not call up Steve and say, "hey dude, VO is ruining the Microsoft article on your internet access." OK, I actually might do that, because Steve would send me a new iPhone.  :) OrangeMarlin 22:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
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