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==Bots==
==I support non-admin rollback being implemented, through promotion by admins==
Yes/No, ClueBot and VoaBot II should have rollback
The status quo.
===yes (bots)===
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#] 10:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC) &mdash; Second choice.
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# -- ] <sup>]</sup> 11:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (I would support automatic promotion with a high threshold if there was a way to remove it without blocking a user)
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===no (bots)===
==I support non-admin rollback being implemented, automatically like pagemoves with no process (autoconfirmed)==
Page-moves are granted to all registered users after four days - although rollback could be whatever time (days, weeks, months) is subsequently agreed.
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# ] 04:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (third choice)
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# '''&ndash;&nbsp;].]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> (Provided it can be revoked if abused, which I think is the case)
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# ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# With the note that '''voting is evil'''. ➔ ''']''' is standing in the dark 08:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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#] 10:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC) &mdash; First choice.
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# ] (]) 12:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (Preferred option, if a users access to the tool can be removed when reqd)
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# ] <sup>]</sup> 13:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (first choice)


==I oppose non-admin rollback being implemented altogether== ==Semi-autoconfirmed rollback==
Yes/No, a reasonable option is that users should get rollback after a certain amount of time (and it can be taken away)
This is the long standing behavior.
===yes (semi auto)===
===no (semi auto)===
#—] 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#--] (] • ]) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#-] (]) 13:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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==Full-autoconfirmed rollback==
# ] &#124; ] 03:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes/No, a reasonable option is that users should get rollback after a certain amount of time (and it can only be taken away by blocking)
#--]<sup>g</sup> 03:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (second choice)
===yes (full auto)===
# <strong><font style="color: #082567">]</font>]<font style="color: #082567">]</font></strong> 03:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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# ] (]) 04:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC) #] (]) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
===no (full auto)===
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# ] (]) 05:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (with the exception of bots) #-] (]) 13:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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#''']'''] 06:24,&nbsp;],&nbsp;2008
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# <span style="border: 2px solid #ba0000;"> ]] </span> 07:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# --]<small><sup>\&nbsp;]&nbsp;/</sup></small> 08:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#] (]) 09:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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#'']'' <sub>]</sub> 11:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#] (]) 12:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#] (]) 12:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


==Rollback given by admins==
==I neither support nor oppose==
(a reasonable options is that) Rollback should be given by admins (this is not an endorsement of any particular process or criteria for doing so. This can be decided later; this is to determine if there is a consensus for the current _technical_ situation)
# <sub>→]]</sub> 04:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
===yes (admins)===
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#—] 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#<font face="Comic Sans">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 05:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# ] (]) 05:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC) #--] (] • ]) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# ] (]) 05:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC) #-] (]) 13:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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# --] <sup>]</sup> 08:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# <font color="green">]</font></font> <sup>(], ])</sup> 08:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# ] (]) 08:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# ] | <small>] | ]</small> 11:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


==Oppose voting== ===no (admins)===
#] (]) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Overhead and politics with not evidence of need.
Having the ArbCom decide on the result of a vote is an unnecessary extension of their powers. anyway, we just voted on this very recently; Arbcom could just as well judge that poll instead of having yet another one. Polling again and again is ridiculous.
#] (]) 09:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#] (]) 09:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# Asinine. &#10154;]! 11:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#<!--YAY INVISIBLE COMMENT: Pointless. No matter the outcome, the "losing" side is going to point out that Misplaced Pages isn't a democracy (WP:NOT) and ignore anyone bringing up the results in further discussion.--> ] <sup>]</sup>⁄<sub>]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;13:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)</small>


==Rollback given by crats==
==I oppose the removal of ] from the page==
(a reasonable options is that) Rollback should be given by Bureaucrats only
# ]
===yes (crats)===
# -- ]] 10:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
===no (crats)===
# '''Restore the rollcat to his rightful place atop this page!''' ] (]) 11:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# Strong support. This is an urgent matter. ] (]) 11:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC) #—] 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#--] (] • ]) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# '''Strongest possible support.''' I'm outraged that this matter arose and it needs to be dealt with ASAP. <small style="font:bold 10px Arial;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">] ]/] ''11:39, 11 Jan 2008 (UTC)''</small>
# '''Restore''' otherwise I will have no other choice but to send Guido after you. And trust me, he will NOT be ]. --] (]) 12:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC) #-] (]) 13:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
# '''This injustice can not stand!''' Rollcat is angry. <strong>]<small>•]</small></strong> 12:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC) #] (]) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#This needs immediate action. ] (]) 12:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#restor rolcat to pruve we gots sens of hummer, plz? kthxbai ] ] 12:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''Strong oppose''' - I have no sense of humour -] (]) 12:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''Strong support''' Kitty, kitty, kitty. --] ] 12:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#Indeed. ]]] 12:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#] (] ]) 13:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''Keep the kitten''' Why remove the cute little thing? --<span style="font-weight: bold; color:#104E8B">] :)</span> <sup>]</sup> 13:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''W00t''' -- ] (]) 13:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support the opposal of the removal''' It's the only thing keeping us all from killing each other. --] (]) 13:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


==Arbitration Committee ratification== ==Arbitration Committee ratification==

Revision as of 14:02, 11 January 2008

Do you already has rollback?

A straight vote on Misplaced Pages:Requests for rollback, since consensus is too difficult to judge on such a grand scale. Should non-admins have the "rollback" button tool, to undo edits without special tools like Twinkle? If so, in which format? Please vote below. Note that it is disputed whether this poll has any validity, see this discussion on talk.

This vote will run until February 1, 2008, 00:00 UTC. Please refactor out drama, the best way to do that is simply sign your username and not add a comment. No drama, no muss, no fuss. This vote may help develop a true consensus. See for more information.

For those favoring the option that gets most votes in the end, a delayed voting option is on the talk page here.

Bots

Yes/No, ClueBot and VoaBot II should have rollback

yes (bots)

  1. —Random832 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. -Mayalld (talk) 13:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Equazcion •✗/C • 13:44, 11 Jan 2008 (UTC)
  5. Royalbroil 13:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  6. Gmaxwell (talk) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

no (bots)

Semi-autoconfirmed rollback

Yes/No, a reasonable option is that users should get rollback after a certain amount of time (and it can be taken away)

yes (semi auto)

no (semi auto)

  1. —Random832 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. -Mayalld (talk) 13:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Royalbroil 13:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Full-autoconfirmed rollback

Yes/No, a reasonable option is that users should get rollback after a certain amount of time (and it can only be taken away by blocking)

yes (full auto)

  1. —Random832 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Gmaxwell (talk) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

no (full auto)

  1. -Mayalld (talk) 13:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Rollback given by admins

(a reasonable options is that) Rollback should be given by admins (this is not an endorsement of any particular process or criteria for doing so. This can be decided later; this is to determine if there is a consensus for the current _technical_ situation)

yes (admins)

  1. —Random832 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. -Mayalld (talk) 13:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

no (admins)

  1. Gmaxwell (talk) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Overhead and politics with not evidence of need.

Rollback given by crats

(a reasonable options is that) Rollback should be given by Bureaucrats only

yes (crats)

no (crats)

  1. —Random832 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. -Mayalld (talk) 13:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Gmaxwell (talk) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee ratification

Arbitrators, please sign below to ratify the vote between February 1, 2008 and February 10, 2008.

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