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Warnings

June 2007

Your recent edit to Engagement (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Misplaced Pages articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // MartinBot 13:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Sago Mine disaster

I removed your merge tag on Sago Mine disaster. You didn't explain why there should be a merge on the talk page. Also, the Randal McCloy page you suggested be merged into Sago is huge. There is no room to put most of the information there into Sago. I also saw that this IP address has numerous warnings for vandalism, etc., so I am not taking you seriously. If I am wrong or you feel you have a good reason for merging, please discuss it on the Sago talk page. Thank you. Fanra 15:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The fact that it needs to be explained to you why a person who has no claims to encyclopedic notability outside of surviving one notable event does not need an article separate from that event is disappointing enough. The Randal McCloy article may be large; the amount of encyclopedically notable information in it is not. But when I turned on the computer this morning, I was randomly assigned an IP address, and people who had that IP address before me had done stupid things with it, and you think that is all the reason you need to not take me seriously? Do you realize just how foolish that sounds? Imagine if the police were to take that attitude. "Well, we got a call from a payphone saying that there was a bank robbery and that a bystander who was shot during the getaway needs our help badly. But I see in the logs that we've had prank calls coming from that payphone before, so we're not going to take any calls from that phone seriously." As you suggested, I have posted an explanation of the merge proposal on the Sago talk page. But I urge you to get rid of your naive prejudice against IP users and start judging ideas on their own merits; unlike your current practice, that will reflect well upon you. -- 192.250.34.161 20:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

July 2007

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although we invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Melrose, Massachusetts, was not constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Mendors 21:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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August 2007

Twinkie defense edits

Greetings. Your deletions from the Twinkie defense articles have been reversed again. Please use the article's talk pages to discuss material you feel doesn't apply to the article. Benjiboi 23:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Regards. Your reinsertion of non-Twinkie defense material into the Twinkie defense article has been reversed again. Please see my lengthy explanation on the talk page on why your material is misplaced and furthers misunderstanding rather than improving the article. -- 192.250.34.161 15:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your input on this matter. You have inspired me to dig up references and sources that I am glad to have read. And without your efforts the article would have limped along blissfully unfabulous. The original transcripts and documents from the trial don't yet seem to be archived online (except an archive of artists drawings) but I'm sure someone will add them as they appear. Benjiboi 10:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

360otc

Hi. I deleted a few references to a drug called "360otc" that was posted about in the articles for several headache medications. The additions sounded somewhat spam-like -- based on your history at Misplaced Pages I'd definitely give you the benefit of the doubt, but I really don't think the mention of the new headache drug belongs in each of the separate headache drug articles at this point. Thanks; Greg

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Misplaced Pages. It is considered spamming and Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Since Misplaced Pages uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Misplaced Pages will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

Please refrain from making further unnecessary edits to the pages for Advil, Excedrin, and Tylenol. There is no need to promote an alternate headache drug in these articles. Thanks for your cooperation.

This is your last warning.
The next time you insert a spam link, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted as well, preventing anyone from linking to them from any site that uses the MediaWiki spam blacklist, which includes all of Wikimedia and Misplaced Pages. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked

Please consider making constructive contributions rather than just advertising some OTC pain reliever. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 20:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Twinkie defense. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. AngelOfSadness talk 16:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Reverts

Please be careful when reverting vandalism not to erase legitimate edits or to re-add links banned from Misplaced Pages. Thanks for your contributions. Chicago kid 1911 17:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Test 192.250.34.161 18:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Your ongoing incivility

Hello, Anonymous IP Editor. I have been looking through your contributions to various articles, and would like to point out your real incivility in edit summaries. Summaries such as "Any argument that tries to explain "why the Twinkie defense worked" just betrays ignorance." or "material is UNSOURCED WITH FAKE CITATIONS, IRRELEVANT, or BOTH. Would work with honest editor on this issue but see no signs that Benjiboi is one." are not only uncollegial and incivil, but bad tactics in that they will get you blocked if you continue. I would further remind you, in response to this edit summary, to assume good faith about your fellow editors.

I am not going to explain all of Misplaced Pages's policies to you, or even encourage you to register, as all evidence points to you being an experienced editor editing anonymously, for whatever the reason. I will simply say that I am now watching a number of pages that you edit and hope I do not see such incivility again. Jeffpw 06:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Talk:Twinkie defense. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. WjBscribe 16:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Isn't this a very sorry state that Misplaced Pages has come to? Where it is considered more acceptable to be an editor who inserts false claims about what a witness testified to on the stand and inserts false citations to cover up the fact that the material was made up by the editor, than to be an editor who actually tries to keep false material out of Misplaced Pages but isn't polite enough to those adding falsehoods?

Oh, but I forget, you ask me to "assume good faith". Very well. Please explain to me the good-faith explanation for inserting text that says "Witness A testified that B and attributed that to C" when you know that your citations make no mention whatsoever of C. Obviously if Benjiboi had any actual RS that George Solomon had really given that testimony -- even if it was a source Benjiboi thought was an RS that wasn't -- he would have provided that source in the citation. He didn't. Ergo, he knew that he was inserting an invented claim and giving false citations that did not support that invented claim.

You both found the time to chastise me for "incivility"; do you suppose anyone will ever get around to notifying Benjiboi (civilly, of course) that one cannot simply invent testimony one wishes a trial witness had given and place in an article the false claim that they did give it? And that merely citing the fact that a particular witness testified at a trial does not make it acceptable to invent your own version of what they testified to? -- 192.250.34.161 19:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to ask everyone to be civil, not to escalate the accusations further, & to focus on the content issues instead of on each other. I agree that there are problems with the Twinkie defense article, but it is possible to point out problems with that without accusing one another of intentionally acting in bad faith, "lying", "inventing", etc., & also without calling people names behind their back in other areas of Misplaced Pages. Meantime, 192.250.34.161, I've replied on my talk page to your post to me there. --Yksin 23:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Enough

I have no intent of providing further warnings. Your postings have been unnecessarily agressive. I have reverted this edit in that it seems mainly focused on disparaging another editor. Feel free to repost it in a different form - you restrict yourself to commenting on content and not contributors. The accusations of bad faith and hostily stop or you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages for a time. WjBscribe 13:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did to Niagara Falls. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.Dreadstar † 21:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Twinkie defense RfC initiated

Please see Talk:Twinkie defense#Request for comment: Twinkie defense content dispute. This article RfC is was initiated per the Dispute resolution process. Please see WP:RFC, particularly the section on Request comment on articles, for information about this process. Thanks. --Yksin 01:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your statement

I would encourage you to rethink your accusations towards Benjiboi in your statement. It is more likely that Benjiboi's mistakes have been the result of, well, mistakes by Benjiboi. I can tell you that I have been on[REDACTED] for almost two years and I have never seen an editor push their agenda in an article and then yield to compromise and mediation. It is likely that Benjiboi made the same mistake as whoever created the "Twinkie Defense" legend, and added the phrase for clarity, without realizing he was changing the definition.

I encourage you to go back and read the earlier discussion Talk:Twinkie defense#Relevance of Milk's homosexuality. If you could lend me a minute of your time, I would like to give you my interpretation of what has happened here with Benjiboi editing the article. When I read the posts made by you and Benjiboi—together and then separately—I saw that the two of you are talking about two different issues—each one of you guys is talking about a different thing, it's almost like it's two different conversations. You are discussing the source of the Twinkie defense, while Benjiboi is discussing the victim's homosexuality. You two never officially disagreed with each other's assertions—Benjiboi never defended or apologized over his edits. There really isn't a dispute, there are just two conversations going on here—neither of which has really been discussed. They are:

1. Benjiboi wants to know why you oppose mentioning the victim's homosexuality. Insofar as I can tell, you never respond.
2. You want to know why Benjiboi added incorrect information and gave incorrect citations. He never says why he did or defends his actions, he just questions you about the above topic.

Do you see? We just need to clear up these two misunderstandings. Please, think about this, and come back to me with an answer when you have thoroughly considered it. I really want us to find a happy solution for everyone. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 05:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to point out that 192 doesn't oppose mention of the victim's homosexuality. What s/he said was, "Mwelch, I believe Milk's homosexuality is relevant to this article, up to a point...." (Mwelch was an editor who had earlier questioned if mention of Milk's gayness was at all relevant, but modified his/her view somewhat as the conversation proceeded). 192 does have a different opinion than Benjiboi of the extent to which Milk's gayness is relevant, but never said it was irrelevant or should not be mentioned at all. Otherwise, I think you may be right that to a great extent they were having two different conversations, & were both frustrated at each other's inability to hear the other's concerns, which both read as a sign of bad faith on the other's part. --Yksin 05:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Yksin. I did indeed take it as a sign of bad faith that instead of answering the concerns that I was voicing, Benjiboi kept asking me to defend positions that I had never held and never said, such as "No one has disputed that Twinkie defense started anywhere but with the people v. White case, if you think that is true" and "If you think that Twinkie defense had nothing to do with Dan White" and "you vehemently claimed that Milk's being gay had/has no place in this article and had nothing to do with Twinkie defense". Two of those claims, as Yksin has pointed out, were already shown false before they were made, and of the remaining two, well, I'd like someone to point out to me any portion of what I've said that a reasonable person acting in good faith could interpret as "the Twinkie defense started somewhere other than People vs. White" or "the Twinkie defense had nothing to do with Dan White". -- 192.250.34.161 20:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

September 2007

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Moscone-Milk assassinations

Yo, 192, I've belatedly replied to you on my talk page. --Yksin 02:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Twinkie defense

See reply on my talk page, & the article & its talk page. Ready to proceed. Good luck! --Yksin 02:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! -- 192.250.34.161 12:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Billy Bragg and original research

Hello, 192.250.34.161, this is one of the other users of 192.250.34.161 . If you're the person who made this edit, then you're who I'm writing to. Anyways, the problem with this edit is that using "direct conversation with the subject" as a reference is forbidden on Misplaced Pages; it's something called "original research". If you cite a claim to a newspaper article, then anyone who might doubt your claim can check the article and see if it really says what you say it says. But no one can check a direct conversation you had with somebody, so you can't use it as a source. I'd advise looking around to see if Bragg shared the same information about his name in an interview somewhere, which is pretty likely. -- 192.250.34.161 21:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

This seems somewhat silly, since a lot of information that is shared in the world does not make it into print or other media. For example, if in conversation with Billy he tells me that his father was a haberdasher, but that is not written anywhere, does that then mean it is invalid and should not be included in this biography page about him? It is not encyclopedic content, it is simply information on the subject that is not widely known.

And who are you if you are using 192.250.34.161 ?

Stephen Walker

Yes, that's exactly right; if Billy tells you that his father was a haberdasher, but that fact never makes it into print in a reliable source, it can't be used in Misplaced Pages. Private biographers can do that sort of thing, putting "Bragg's father, a haberdasher" into the text and then adding a footnote "personal conversation with subject" to explain how they know that. But Wikipedians can't do that sort of thing, as it's original research. As for who I am -- well, if you've ever looked at "your" list of contributions, surely you've noticed that not all of them are yours? -- 192.250.34.161 14:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

will you guys start getting user accounts and using them--you can still call yourself almost anything you please. WP is not a guessing game. 15:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what business it is of yours. I have good reasons for not getting a user account, despite it sometimes causing me inconvenience. "WP is not a guessing game" -- no, it isn't, but no one is making you guess at information that you need to know. -- 192.250.34.161 15:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

October 2007

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Mea Culpa to an Astute Banker

I am grateful to you for your criticism ("Altering direct quotations") which you placed at the bottom of my talk page on October 10, 2007. I am well aware of the academic and Misplaced Pages rule against altering direct quotations, and it is only too clear that I am at fault. I must have rashly assumed that the spelling "Jimcrow" was not in the original text, but the slip of key or mind of a Misplaced Pages editor, but I had no right to assume that, and I apologize most sincerely to you and to the entire Misplaced Pages community. "Every time I ASSUME, I make an ASS out of U and ME." Writtenright 12:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

Regarding edits to 2006 Duke University lacrosse case

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December 2007

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Kristy McNichol, are considered vandalism and immediately reverted. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. E_dog95' 13:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did to Rabba, you will be blocked from editing. Poeloq (talk) 17:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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January 2008

Your recent edit to Salem, Tamil Nadu (diff) was reverted by an automated bot. You have been identified as a new user or a logged out editor using a hosting or shared IP address to add email addresses/phone numbers or Imageshack/Photobucket/Flickr or related links to a non-talk page. You can restore any other content by editing the page and re-adding that content. The links can be reviewed and restored by established users. Thank you for contributing! // VoABot II (talk) 22:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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Please do not delete content from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to PFA, without explaining the reason for the removal in the edit summary. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox for test edits. Thank you. robwingfield  12:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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February 2008

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The recent edit you made to Arlen Specter constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thanks. Compwhiz II_(Contribs) 23:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC))

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Please do not vandalize pages, as you did with this edit to Arlen Specter. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. Snowolf 23:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)