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February 20

Euphemisms

Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the Euphemism policy is on Misplaced Pages. For example, should say in an article that someone "died", or "passed away" (the latter being a euphemism)? Thanks, --Christopher (talk) 00:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Since Misplaced Pages is not censored, so I assume that "died" would be a more appropriate term. Vivio Testarossa 01:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The relevant guideline (not a policy) is in: WP:AVOID#Sadly, tragically. (I'm rather impressed with how relatively easy it was for me to hunt down that guideline consideringly how vaguely I recalled having read it some months ago. Misplaced Pages has great internal documents, with so many links just the way one would expect, that even starting from the completely wrong page as I did, I stumbled to the right one in less than half a dozen clicks.) --Teratornis (talk) 07:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

unable to access some articles

i can't seem to open some articles. i get an unidentifiable mime type "application/x-gzip-compressed" error - can you point me toward a fix? this is the link i was trying to access "en.wikipedia.org/Richard_Feynman" this has happened to me before. thanks, ken Ekenphillips (talk) 01:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

What browser are you using to access the page? It seems to load fine for me. Vivio Testarossa 01:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

internet explorer 7 (7.0.5730.13) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekenphillips (talk • contribs) 01:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

What a strange error. It sounds like a problem in the browser rather than Misplaced Pages. Perhaps try using the secure server, which gets around some problems. E.g., https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/Richard_Feynman. • Anakin 14:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Anakin, that worked, I will check on the browser. ken —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekenphillips (talk • contribs) 02:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Userpage help

I am trying to add User:PGPirate/Articles to my User:PGPirate/Header page. The problem is for some reason the pictures are not showing up. If this isn't making sense, please feel free to write on my talkpage. PGPirate 02:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I think they're there, but covered up by your transcluded "Title". If you delete the title, then you can see them. I hope this helps. (I don't know why your little green symbols are so high up on the page.) --Coppertwig (talk) 03:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Some kind of database corruption?

Where do I report database corruption (or what looks like it)? I made a very small change to the Saddam Hussein article, just changed a wiki-link. But if you compare my latest version with the second-latest version it looks like I made a mess of several paragraphs. (If you compare the latest version with the second-latest version it looks better.) There seems to be something wrong. --RenniePet (talk) 03:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I have seen faulty diffs reported at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical) in the past. See Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)/Archive 18#Bad diffs? for an example which I just checked and saw was no longer faulty. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've reported it at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical), as you suggested. --RenniePet (talk) 20:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes?

How do I put userboxes on my page? RJRocket53 (talk) 04:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Userboxes. Basically you just include the relevant template. Bovlb (talk) 05:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Guideline template

The Guideline template does not have a sort key parameter. I note the subcat guideline template does. Can someone modify the Guideline template to have the sort key parameter? (I don't yet understand wikitext enough to do it myself.) This will help fix odd sorting at Category:Guideline. Thanks! Libcub (talk) 07:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

In the cruel world of Misplaced Pages, one has to know a fair amount of wikitext markup just to be able to ask questions on the Help desk that other people can understand, and thus answer. You can make questions such as this easier to answer by linking all the pages you mention explicitly or allude to. When I tried to look up the pages you mentioned, I ran into a problem. While we do have the templates: {{Guideline}} and {{Subcat guideline}}, there seems to be no Category:Guideline page (notice that the link is red), and following the red link shows no pages in that category. This suggests you may have been looking at another category page. Please go back to that page, look at the title at the top, and copy and paste it back here so we can see what you are talking about. (Do you mean Category:Misplaced Pages guidelines?) You might also look at Help:Category#Sort order to see how sort keys work. However, if the category links you refer to are coming from a template, then you are looking at a kind of death zone for new users, as template coding on Misplaced Pages is extremely arcane. Some template coding problems are so hard that not many Help desk volunteers can solve them. But if you can tell us the page with the problem, we can probably figure out who to ask if we can't fix it ourselves. --Teratornis (talk) 19:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry--I guess I was more tired than I thought. Yes, the category page I meant to reference is Category:Misplaced Pages guidelines. I did read Help:Category#Sort order, and have successfully changed sort keys on other pages. But it seems that most (all?) of the pages categorized as a Misplaced Pages guideline do it via one of those templates, not via direct categorization. Another user noticed some odd sorting, which I was looking into to fix. What I was hoping for is that the sort key parameter feature of {{Subcat guideline}} could be ported to {{Guideline}}. Thanks. Libcub (talk) 01:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The newfangled style for documenting templates is to document them on /doc subpages (I guess Misplaced Pages:Template documentation documents this, but I haven't gotten around to reading that friendly manual page yet), and that's where the category links go too. This makes those links extra-hard for new users to find, in keeping with the death zone nature of template coding. I aimed my expert (cough, I wish) eye at the respective /doc pages to see their category link sections:

• {{Guideline/doc}}

<includeonly>
<!-- ADD CATEGORIES BELOW THIS LINE -->
]

• {{Subcat guideline/doc}}

 <includeonly>
 <!-- ADD CATEGORIES BELOW THIS LINE -->
]

More information about {{PAGENAME}} is in Help:Magic words#Page names and related info. The change you want to make looks pretty obvious (I italicized what looks like the culprit). I think you want to replace the Guideline with {{PAGENAME}}. I don't see anything obviously dangerous there, but templates can be tricky things. You may have to purge the Category:Misplaced Pages guidelines page, and/or purge all the pages that transclude the {{Guideline}} template, to get Misplaced Pages to re-sort the links on the category page. --Teratornis (talk) 08:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the category that the template itself is in, but the categories that the template assigns to pages it is used on. Libcub (talk) 17:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I guess you need to compare these code snippets in the includeonly tags:

• {{Guideline}}

<includeonly>{{{category|]}}}</includeonly>

• {{Subcat guideline}}

<includeonly>]</includeonly>

That's some interesting code. It looks like {{Subcat guideline}} allows the calling page to specify a sort key (which appears as that {{{2...}}} stuff). So, maybe at this point I finally understand your question. It looks like the two templates were coded by different people. You might look in the history to see who coded that line in {{Subcat guideline}} and ask him or her if he or she could edit the corresponding line in {{Guideline}}. I'm not going to suggest a change myself because clearly at this point we can see I don't know what I'm talking about. --Teratornis (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this for me. I'll post my request at Template talk: Guideline next. If that doesn't pan out, I'll try finding the person who coded Template:Subcat guideline like you suggest. Libcub (talk) 02:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Autodisplaying templates

Is there a way to auto-display a custom template (like the ones at the bottom of a page)? The template normally autodisplays but if you have more than one template they will auto-hide, and I would like to override this. Gatoclass (talk) 09:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess you refer to collapsible boxes made with a template. In some cases you can add a state parameter. See Template:Navbox#Other. See for an example where a state parameter was put into a template which used {{Navbox}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

FA stars and GA plusses at top of user page

I have noticed small Featured Article and Good Article symbols at the top of user pages (like the penguin and love heart on mine), how do people get these? I've tried clicking edit page on pages with them on but I can't find anything that it could be. I have significantly contributed to 2 FAs, 1 GA and 1 DYK. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 11:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

They can be made with {{Click}}. See for example User:BQZip01 or User:Blnguyen/Top. Some users transclude a subpage with this onto their user page. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I've done that but how do you get them across the top? Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 12:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

See User:Soxred93/icons. Soxred93 | talk bot 13:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I've done it with your help. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 14:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Can I link to an article on Misplaced Pages, and can I use the[REDACTED] logo to do so?

I would like to link to an article on Misplaced Pages from my website, and I would like to display the plain text[REDACTED] logo beside the link - am I legally allowed to do this?

Where can I seek permission for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.151.37 (talk) 12:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You're allowed to link to Misplaced Pages but the logo's a bit shaky. I'm not sure about its licence, I'll just check. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 12:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

As it stands, you can't use the logo but maybe with Jimbo's permission you could. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk —Preceding comment was added at 12:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean "Misplaced Pages - The 💕" written with a normal font? A logo is a graphical element while the text could be called a slogan. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if you're using an article from here, you must include the words "" somewhere near the title for GFDL compliance. As for the logo, you'll need permission, as mentioned above. Hersfold 13:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're in the United States, you can almost certainly use the Misplaced Pages logo under the fair use doctrine. There should be no need to ask permission to use it to make a link to Misplaced Pages. If you're referring to only the "WIKIPEDIA: The 💕" part (as opposed to the puzzle-piece globe), that probably isn't even copyrightable. I am not a lawyer, though. —Bkell (talk) 13:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

My Mum is and you can copyright any piece of text over a length of 3 words (in the UK) but Misplaced Pages has not done this to 'Misplaced Pages - the 💕'. You MUST use that when linking to Misplaced Pages but you need permission for the logo. As I said, speak to Jimbo. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 14:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice to cite a policy page for an authoritative answer. My superficial glance at the Editor's index finds Misplaced Pages:Reusing Misplaced Pages content which talks about some related issues but does not mention using the Misplaced Pages logo. That page mentions Wikia which has several wikis that re-use Misplaced Pages content. Presumably whatever method Wikia uses to link to Misplaced Pages would have a better chance of being correct because Jimmy Wales started Wikia. That doesn't necessarily mean everyone using Wikia is doing it the way Jimmy Wales wants them to, yet (I have no knowledge of how strict the policing is, but I doubt Wikia operates like a police state), but presumably there is more oversight on Wikia than on some Joe Random's Web site. --Teratornis (talk) 19:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The main issue here, it seems, is the logo. According to the copyright tag of Image:Misplaced Pages-logo-en.png: (emphasis added)

© & ™ All rights reserved, Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

This image (or parts of it) is copyrighted by the Wikimedia Foundation. It is (or includes) one of the official logos or designs used by the Wikimedia foundation or by one of its projects. Notwithstanding any other statements, this image has not been licensed under the GFDL. Use of the Wikimedia logo is subject to the Wikimedia visual identity guidelines and requires permission.

Misplaced Pages® is a registered trademark of Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

For convenience, the visual guidelines are here, however they appear to only apply to the Wikimedia Foundation Logo, the blue-green-red one. Hersfold 19:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I realize that the logo is not licensed under the GFDL. However, anyone still has the right to use it in limited ways under the fair use doctrine of United States copyright law. I am not saying that anyone can use the logo however they like, of course: if you sought to gain commercial benefit from it, or if you used it in some way that harms the trademark held by the Misplaced Pages Foundation, then you would be in a legally risky situation. But if you were to use the logo in a noncommercial setting simply to link to Misplaced Pages, that would almost certainly fall under fair use, whether the Wikimedia Foundation likes it or not. It seems hypocritical that Misplaced Pages recognizes fair use and uses thousands of companies' logos without one bit of permission while at the same time telling people that they absolutely must get permission to use the Misplaced Pages logo in a similar manner. —Bkell (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, this should not be construed as legal advice. —Bkell (talk) 01:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages not remembering password

Both my Misplaced Pages & Commons account names & passwords are the same. A few days ago Misplaced Pages stopped remembering my password when logging in, but Commons continues to remember it. I have done everything to fix this that I have been advised to do, including ensuring AutoComplete is ticked, but nothing works. Why should Commons login be different to Misplaced Pages? Can you please assist. Thanks.

Graham Bould —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrahamBould (talk • contribs) 16:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

They're seperate websites hosted on seperated servers with seperate code. As of late, I've been having problems with Misplaced Pages remembering my login and have needed to enter my password evertime I go on the website. I think it might be a bug, if it persists maybe bring it up at The Village Pump to alert the developers. Mr Senseless (talk) 16:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

This has been brought up many times - it's quite pervasive among Wikipedians, using both Firefox and IE. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 16:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

And it's getting worse! I created a homepage link to go directly to a particular article because that page was remembering my login... as of today it is also having problems. It is spreading throughout the encyclopedia and I hope they fix it soon. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It actually seems like it's not remembering the password but it actually is, even though there's obviously something wrong. When you get in initially you will see the login option at the top right instead of your usual user links and username. When you click on login, the login page is presented where you are to enter the password. Instead of entering the password, look at the top right again and you see you're logged in already without the need of actually entering your password again. ~RayLast 21:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Changing username

How do I change the username on my account?

Taniqlive (talk) 18:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi there if you want to change your account to a different name please go to Changing Usernames and follow the procedure hope this helps. Terra 18:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Since your only edit with this account is this question, just stop using this account and create a new one. It would be silly to go thru the process of WP:RENAME when you can just start from scratch. --barneca (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Matthias Hinze

How did Matthias Hinze get back on Misplaced Pages? I remember creating it, but then it was deleted, ten almost 2 months later, it's on Misplaced Pages again, but the history still says I created it last December! When I found this out, I felt I had recieved a false message about the article being speedy-deleted. How did the article get back on Misplaced Pages? I've been wondering about that since I found out it was on Misplaced Pages again.Kitty53 (talk) 18:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

User:W.marsh removed the "speedy" tag, with an edit summary of "Per DRV", whatever that means; so it never got deleted. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Kitty, there was a deletion review on the third (Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 December 3 at the bottom) that reversed the deletion, and the entire history of the article was restored. GlassCobra 18:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Right. Click history on the page and then "View logs for this page" to get which shows the deletion, and the restoration with a link to Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 December 3. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding search terms that will lead to a given article

I recently created an article entitled Centre for Research on Inner City Health. It is often referred to as CRICH, so how do I make it so that if someone searched "CRICH", then the article page would come up? And once this is possible, are there other search terms I can put in that would bring up the page (such as spelling Centre the American spelling instead)?

Thanks, Jberends (talk) 19:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Make a page called CRICH and on that page, instead of text put #REDIRECT ], putting the article's actual name where it says 'Insert text'. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought about that at all, but when i type in CRICH it directs to the Crich page, which is a small town somewhere in Europe. How do I make the new page?Jberends (talk) 20:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you enter it in capitals? Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Jberends (talk) 20:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit this page. Use the search button on the left, instead of clicking go. Then click on the red link at the top of the page. Woody (talk) 20:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It'll say 'redirected from CRICH' at the top. Click the word CRICH and change the redirect. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

No it won't. CRICH redirects to Crich because of the mediawiki software as a capitalisation error. Woody (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

yep. figured it out. thanks. Jberends (talk) 20:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget to add disambiguation hatnotes at the top of Crich. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 21:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Play character infobox

I am looking for an infobox to use in an article about a Shakespearian play character, which infobox should I use? Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I tried to find something for this, came up with zilch. It doesn't appear that the Shakespearian play characters use infoboxes. . .I did find this generic fictional character template (here) which looks like it can be modified. I got to that link from the Category:Fictional character infobox templates page. I don't know if this helps any. R. Baley (talk) 21:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but I've made one instead (it didn't come out too well though) at Template:Stephano(Shakespeare). Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 21:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I examined many articles in Category:Shakespearean characters but didn't find any use of infoboxes. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Shakespeare#Character article expansion doesn't mention infoboxes. I suggest discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Shakespeare before creating character infoboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

differnce in french and englsih

why is it that when i go on the web to research an artist, in this case patrich saytour, i find him listed in the[REDACTED] in french, but not in english, and if i type his name in the english version of your site, it says there is nothing on him, when there is, at least in french. i scrolled through 17 pages on google, and i never saw[REDACTED] in english, which is what i wanted, but the french is the first article. fine, i live in france, but i need this in both. thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.44.168.14 (talk) 20:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The different language Wikipedias have different articles on them. Here, we don't seem to have an article on that person, though there is one (as you say) on the French Misplaced Pages. You could use a tool like Google Translate to translate the article into another language if you need to read it. Hope this helps —αlεx•mullεr 20:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages isn't automatically translated into all of its languages - each article has been written separately, by different people, maybe independently of each other or maybe using a translation of one as a starting point for the other. While the English Misplaced Pages is the largest, it tends to have a slight bias towards articles on English-language subjects (partially because it's easier for other editors to review the sources, partially because it's what the English-speaking editors want to write about), and also has different guidelines for inclusion compared to other Wikipedias, so of course the articles available will be different. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 21:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

We have a {{Google translation}} template which can create a link to an English (of sorts) translation of fr:Patrick Saytour:

• Patrick Saytour translated to English

--Teratornis (talk) 07:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

For more details about translation and Misplaced Pages, see: WP:EIW#Transl. --Teratornis (talk) 07:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Where did my change go?

I added PT Barnum to the "List of Unitarians, Universalists, and Unitarian Universalists". He was there for a few days, now he is gone. PT Barnum was a Universalist in Bridgeport, CT, at the same time as the Reverend Olympia Brown. He even wrote a bestselling book titled: "Why I am a Universalist". What do I need to do to make certain that he appears as a famous Universalist?

mdwoade:Mdwoade (talk) 20:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

This article from the UUA (Unitarian Universalist Association) may shed more light on Barnum: http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/ptbarnum.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdwoade (talk • contribs) 20:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks like your addition was reverted because you tried to cite a pre-existing source that didn't mention Barnum. If you re-add Barnum and cite the UUA page that you listed above, you should be fine. GlassCobra 21:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

When something ilke that happens, you can find out more by going to the page and clicking "history" at the top. You should be able to find your username where you edited the page, and maybe you can find where someone else edited it to take your change out. Maybe they put an explanation in the edit summary, which appears in the history list. You can also click on "discussion" at the top to get to the talk page, and post a message discussing what you think the article should say. You can discuss things with the other people editing the page and try to come to an agreement about it. --Coppertwig (talk) 03:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

How to cite Misplaced Pages itself

I want to cite Misplaced Pages for a paper I am writing about Elizabeth I. I enjoyed using Misplaced Pages and thank the founders for creating the site and I also want to thank the creator of the article. I was taught to write the site's title, the adress, the date I visited it, and the date it was created. I have looked, but I cannot find the date it was founded. Help please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.10.213 (talk) 20:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

In the article's history, keep going back in time until you reach the first entry. It's there. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)Most teachers today do not accept Misplaced Pages as a cited source due to its open nature. I would instead suggest that you use the sources used by the Misplaced Pages article to cite your paper. GlassCobra 20:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You beat me to that answer. I get the "blah blah blah Misplaced Pages is not reliable blah blah blah" speech in all of my classes. I promptly inform the teacher that it's a great starting point, and that one should use the references in the Misplaced Pages article rather than the article itself, if the teacher does not allow its use. нмŵוτнτ 21:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

A Misplaced Pages article has a creation day in the history but that may have little or nothing to do with the current version which can be the result of thousands of edits by many different editors, spread over years. For recommended ways to cite Misplaced Pages, see Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages or click "Cite this page" in the toolbox to the left when you are on an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't even bother with citing the author as there are likely a myriad editors who have helped build and shape the article you're interested in. Be sure to check with your teacher/professor that Misplaced Pages is acceptable - most high schools allow encyclopedias and other third party references in general as sources, while colleges discourage their use. However, Misplaced Pages has gained a certain notoriety in academia. I echo the above recommendations, use the external links in the article or websites/papers in the reference section to get your information. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 21:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's a lot easier than that - each article has a link in the bar on the left side of your screen that reads "Cite this article". That link will provide citations in several different formats, so that you don't have to worry about manually hunting down the information. Hersfold 21:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question about the date it was founded: 15 January 2001 seems like the most applicable date. See History of Misplaced Pages. • Anakin 14:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

"open access group"

This article only had a very small text on it, i've placed the A1 deletion tag on it is this tag the correct one to use for this type. Terra 21:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It's been resolved. Terra 22:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Infobox problems

There are two problems with 761st Tank Battalion (United States) that I can't figure out. First, there are the garbage characters at the beginning of the article. Second, the last line in the box says Transport, but I don't see it when editing. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't seem to see the problems you're describing. It all looks OK to me. --Coppertwig (talk) 03:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

February 21

JIM BAILEY ENTERTAINER PAGE

IS THERE SOMEONE I CAN PAY TO DO THIS PAGE??????

IM AN AGENT FOR JIM BAILEY AND THIS IS TOUGH

Williamkieffert (talk) 00:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're Mr. Bailey's agent, we discourage you to edit his page. Please read Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest. GlassCobra 00:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

(editconflict) You can try going to Misplaced Pages:Reward board, note however that it might be deleted if it fails to meet certain criteria.--Sunny910910 00:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the article and left a note on this editor's talk page. GlassCobra 02:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a way to pay people to edit articles; see: Misplaced Pages:Bounty board and Misplaced Pages:Reward board. --Teratornis (talk) 08:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Just note that even if you offer it on the reward board, your best-case scenario is "article is brought up to Misplaced Pages standards but remains open for editing", not "article is written the way you want it to be, and kept that way". Even a million dollars from Microsoft won't prevent its article having a Criticism section. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Statistics

Hello. Is there a way to track the number of visitors or page views to a particular article?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntia78 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's built in feature to count how many times a page has been visited has long been turned off for performance reasons. However, this third party site purports to count Misplaced Pages page hits. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for cleanup assistance

Please delete the entry "BallenIsles Country Club". I was trying to use it to redirect the incorrectly typed "Ballen Isles" to something correctly spelled.

If you could also retitle "Ballen Isles" to BallenIsles", life would be perfect.

Thanks in advance and sorry to be a pest.

Ed McMenamy BallenIsles Communications Committee <removed email address> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmcmenamy (talk • contribs) 02:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you have made a cut and paste move from BallenIsles Country Club to Ballen Isles. This is bad because Ballen Isles has lost the page history at BallenIsles Country Club. See Help:Moving a page. I will look at fixing it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The article is now at BallenIsles. You have a conflict of interest so you are strongly discouraged from editing the article. It looks like some of your edits have problems with our policies like Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view but I don't have time to examine it further. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

E-mail authentification won't work for 20 months!

I'm also registered on German language Misplaced Pages, on Wikimedia Commons, and now on the Austro-Bavarian Misplaced Pages site, too (bar.wikipedia.org). On each of these three sites,

getting an authentification message to verify my e-mail address, thus activate the personal message link in the left column on my user page to enable others contacting me without providing the address - just like you strongly recommend -

worked perfectly at first try.

Only here, so-to-speak on the foundation's mother site, it does not. All my profile entries are the very same, and all the settings, too - but from here, never a single authentification message reached my mailbox, though I tried between 10 and 20 times during the past 20 months.

My e-mail provider told me they block off messages with non-matching sender and answering addresses - as the only possible explanation. I have absolutely no idea, feeling left alone between two admin areas - yours and that of www.reflex.at - both shaking their shoulders and ensuring me it can't be their fault (implicitly indicating it must me mine!). Thus, I'm forced to

• either accept I may answer notes or questions only after months (no wise recommendations, please - I've always been forgetful: that's precisely what reminder services and automated e-mail-forwarding settings are made for ... if only they work like destined),
• or, much against your recommendation (and my own intention), have my e-mail address on my user page - not visible at first sight, but rather easy to view in the status line or to right-click-copy.

So, when will this bug finally be terminated? joeditt (talk) 02:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds very frustrating, but it's hard to say exactly what the problem is. Could you not ask your e-mail provider to stop blocking messages, if that might be the problem? Or perhaps try another e-mail address – since they are so freely available from Gmail, HotMail, many other places, etc.? It would not be as convenient but it would be better than nothing. (You can never have too many email accounts.) • Anakin 14:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Completely blank page

This page comes up completely blank, yet it is listed as a 'What links here' for the Rovio page. How can I fix this? http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Swiss_municipalities/List_of_title_variations —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milw (talk • contribs) 03:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Woah! Your right! I think it's a glitch.--Sunny910910 03:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

That is a very impressive glitch. The page history seems to be still available:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Swiss_municipalities/List_of_title_variations&action=history

You might try reverting to the last revision that isn't blank, if there are some. You might also contact the last editor and ask what he or she did. I can't recall seeing this type of problem before, but maybe Google will: Search Help desk for: completely blank page. --Teratornis (talk) 07:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

This appears to be the "killer diff":

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AWikiProject_Swiss_municipalities&diff=192088133&oldid=188825400

The last editor removed the {{inactive}} template. I'm not sure how that could make a page become completely blank. This is weird. Maybe someone can figure it out. --Teratornis (talk) 07:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

That’s the main page, not the broken subpage. The broken subpage is http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Swiss_municipalities/List_of_title_variations&action=edit . Maybe the problem is the length 318 KB. —teb728 t c 08:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops. I had too many browser tabs open and hit the wrong one for my second reply. I originally browsed to the history of the parent page so I could edit the URL to get the history of the invisible page. I got the right link on my first reply but I got on the wrong page when I looked at the diff. I suppose I could slow down and check my answers ... when pigs fly. Anyway, if the problem is that the page is just too long, that might be straightforward to fix by breaking it into another level of smaller subpages (like Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Swiss municipalities/List of title variations/page1, etc.) and transcluding them back onto the page that is now too long. I've made some very large pages that way on another wiki. WP:SIZE#Very long articles says pages over 400KB may render incorrectly or not at all. I guess the problems can start a little earlier than that. --Teratornis (talk) 08:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually someone had already created subpages. I replaced the page with links to the subpages. —teb728 t c 09:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

(undent) There might be a similar problem with Economy of the United States, which I noticed I cannot load right now. I can see the history and the Google cached version, but not any of the recent revisions from the history. My Firefox browser just keeps spinning the Loading... graphic. I will start this as a new question at the bottom of the Help desk. --Teratornis (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

create account

It will not let me crete an account. Can you please help me!

Bessie <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.125.88 (talk) 03:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Request an account. GlassCobra 06:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Citing References

I have a reference. Who is a living person, THE person who is the authority, but how do I get the uncited reference tags off? I can't find any clear info. It is very muddled to find....

http://en.wikipedia.org/Grupo_Oasis#References

Thank you.

See WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, Misplaced Pages:Notability, and Misplaced Pages:Notability (music). You probably could not see how to edit the {{unreferenced}} template because it is in the lead section; see Help:Section#Section editing for details. If this seems confusing, it is. Misplaced Pages is very complicated, as are the other nine of the world's top 10 sites. Misplaced Pages is just the only one that lets everyone see the ghastly underlying complexity. Anyway, back to Grupo Oasis. Basically a living person is not an authority according to Misplaced Pages's rules. Instead we need reliable, published sources. That is, we need to have some reputable newspaper or magazine articles, or books, that give the facts about Grupo Oasis. If there are none, and you are connected with the band, you could call some reporters and get your band some press coverage. --Teratornis (talk) 07:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Text

I would like to use more complex techniques in editing and I'm trying to find a full description of what is possible with the wiki markup language. I can't find a general tutorial or menu that shows all functions available and how to use them. Retarius | Talk 05:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I hope you get some good answers. As a recent editor, this has been a real bugbear for me too! Pee Tern (talk) 05:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Try Misplaced Pages:How to edit a page, or Help:Contents/Editing Misplaced Pages a subpage of the main help menu. -- Quiddity (talk) 05:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

If you want more advanced details, see: Help:Parserfunctions, Help:Magic words, Help:Template, Help:HTML in wikitext, and Help:Category. Basically read the entire MediaWiki Handbook, which has four large sections: for readers, for editors (this section tells the most about wikitext markup, naturally), for moderators, and for administrators. Also melt your brain on the Editor's index, which gives a pretty full description of what is possible on Misplaced Pages. A solid introduction to Misplaced Pages editing could easily fill up a year of college-level work. And that would be a fun course to teach. But on Misplaced Pages, everything you see is built by and for people who self-educate. I suggest that you take some notes on a user sub-page with links to the manuals you are reading. Also see the {{Google custom}} template, which has a table of examples which link to a list of places I have found handy for answering questions that come up in the course of Misplaced Pages editing (I wrote the table of examples, so I put in the links I use routinely when looking up answers to questions on the Help desk). --Teratornis (talk) 07:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you all - especially Teratornis - that's just what I was looking for! Retarius | Talk 05:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Category intersection

If separate categories share some common articles/pages, is there a "Wiki function" which will produce a list/category, probably virtual, of the common articles/pages? How does the "ask" stuff work. Or is there nothing enabled in Misplaced Pages yet? Pee Tern (talk) 05:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

This question appears semi-frequently on the Help desk: Search Help desk for: category intersection. Go to WP:EIW#Cat and scroll down a few lines to the "Intersection of two categories" subheading, which mentions CatScan and some related links. --Teratornis (talk) 07:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Same reference but one is rejected and the other accepted?

This in regards to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Cristina_P%C3%A9rez_%28judge%29

I noticed today that whoever entered this information listed only one source - the official website which I wrote for Ms. Perez. We attempted to enter data from that very source awhile back and it was rejected.

By the way, why isn't this help desk form asking for my email? How will you know how to reach me with a response? This is very confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.227.136.101 ([[User talk:69.227.136.101|talk]]) 05:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is written by its users. Apparently, one editor thought that her website was not a good reference at one point, but now a different editor thinks it is. For your second question, we will not reach you with a response. You must return here to read my response and anyone else's. Were you a user, you could be e-mailed, but that is moot at this point. --Evan ¤ Seeds 06:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

We can reply under your post (like this) or on your IP addresses talk page (I'll leave a note for you to see). The latter will produce an orange bar on your page that will state that you have New Messages, similar to your e-mail inbox.

As for the article, I'll take a quick peek at it. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Articles are edited by many people, such as yourself, who all have different opinions about what the article should say. If you go to the article and click "history" at the top you can see the list of edits by various people, and what they wrote in their edit summaries, which should explain the edits. If you go to the article and click "discussion" at the top, you get to the talk page for that article, which is here, and which you can use to discuss things like this with the other people editing the page, and try to reach consensus on what the article will say. --Coppertwig (talk) 13:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Per Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources and WP:SPS, self-published sources are not good ones, since we have no way of verifying any of the content. • Anakin 15:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

page editable!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/Tenchu:_Wrath_of_Heaven

the link given is from a page that can be edited by an user who isnt even logged in.

regards,

CN

PS: you should make a helpdesk with email support rather then this.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.87.62.155 (talk) 09:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Most pages on Misplaced Pages (“The 💕 that anyone can edit”) can be edited by users who are not logged in. That is the ideal situation.

On websites that have email help, the help desk is run by employees. This help desk is run by volunteers. I am not about to reply from my personal email. —teb728 t c 10:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

One reason to run the help desk this way is so that many people can read the answers to the questions. Also, sometimes more than one person answers the same question, so they need to see what's already been said so they don't repeat themselves. That wouldn't work if it were by email, (with volunteers such as ourselves), since it wouldn't make sense to email a bunch of answers to someone just on the off-chance that they might spend a few minutes answering questions that day. --Coppertwig (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Most pages on Misplaced Pages can be edited by people who aren't logged in. I don't agree with it, but that's the way the Foundation thinks it should be. See Misplaced Pages:Introduction for more info. • Anakin 15:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea, because it encourages people to join. On most websites, registering is a tedious and time-consuming process involving agreeing to a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo. People may not realize how easy it is to register a username on Misplaced Pages, and may be reluctant to do so until they've made a few edits and seen how satisfying it can be. Besides, many productive changes are made by non-logged-in editors. --Coppertwig (talk) 03:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm rather of the (quite biased) opinion that the people who think registering is a tedious and time-consuming process won't find editing Misplaced Pages very enjoyable either. I think the net effect of open editing is overwhelmingly and astronomically negative. • Anakin 05:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

(undent) As to the suggestion to provide support by e-mail, we use this Help desk page instead because:

• If you're going to edit on Misplaced Pages, you have to learn wikitext markup anyway, so the Help desk might as well be a wiki page like the rest of Misplaced Pages.
• By implementing the Help desk as a wiki page, we automatically gain a bunch of handy features, such as links, a history, the ability to go back and edit our answers like this, etc.
• Often the answer to a question involves some sort of wikitext markup; on this page, we can show examples that would not work in e-mail.
• We have a nice {{Google help desk}} template that we can use to create links in our Help desk answers that search the Help desk archive. Doing the same thing in e-mail would be uglier.
• Since we control the formatting on the Help desk page, we don't have to look at any nasty top posting which tends to pollute e-mail these days. This helps avoid sickening and thus driving away the technically competent volunteers we need to answer questions.

--Teratornis (talk) 07:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Needing an Admin

Just somewhat frustrated, needing an Admin. for the Dixie Chicks band page, as the political stuff has run the band page far too long. The suggestion to split it has been there for months. Really would be good to have an Admin. take a peek. Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 12:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• I've just spent the statutory 90-seconds looking at the page and I can't see what you think the problem is, or how you think an admin could help. Can I suggest you put a statement of the problem at the bottom of the talk page, then list at WP:RFC? Would that help? AndyJones (talk) 13:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Remember, you can be bold and trim some of that stuff yourself. Because the information is lengthy, I'd suggest just placing a message on the talk page of the article stating your position. If done the other way around, other editors will view it as a hatchet job and most likely revert you. This can lead to frustrating results. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 19:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Image Justification

I am trying to embed a image in the centre of the page? Not sure about the code for this. Dunphy.d (talk) 13:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunphy.d (talk • contribs) 13:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I found it |centre|.

thanksDunphy.d (talk) 14:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Access to Lucene Index

Hi, I'm doing some research which involves searching Misplaced Pages and would like to be able to use the Lucene indexes. Are they (or could they be) available as part of the Wikimedia downloads? Obvious I could download all the articles and create my own index but it would be much easy (for me) if I could bypass that stage, especially as I imagine you must generate the indexes systematically. I am guessing the indexes will be several 10s of Gigabytes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilireson (talk • contribs) 14:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I think only page content is available for download. Misplaced Pages:Database download doesn't mention the search indexes, and they're not listed in any of the dumps at http://download.wikimedia.org/. It sounds like you may have to generate the Lucene indexes manually I'm afraid. • Anakin 15:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Our article on Lucene lists these links: Lucene Misplaced Pages indexer — introductory article with Java code for search on Misplaced Pages data. The[REDACTED] download link no longer works though I'm afraid, so manual it might have to be. Woody (talk) 15:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. I know about both these source and there limitations. What I am hoping is that I could find someone from the Misplaced Pages/media world who might be amenable to making the indexes available, do you know of any more appropriate place I might post the question to direct it at the people responsible for the downloads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilireson (talk • contribs) 15:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

translation

Hello. I want to translate some articles from english[REDACTED] to czech wikipedia. What I must do to to keep the copyright? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmologist (talk • contribs) 16:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I have done some work with GFDL, but not extensive. Somebody more experienced may have more specific information. Any material on Misplaced Pages can be used or modified in any way as long as authorship is properly credited. There are specific steps set out at Misplaced Pages:Copyright. As I interpret them, you should be okay as long as the new material is licensed under GFDL and you provide a direct link back to the article at its new source. You can take a look at Zumstein catalog as an example of how that's been specifically handled when translating from other language wikipedias to English. On the base, the translator included in his edit summary the note "translated from German article". On the talk page, there is a specific template: Talk:Zumstein catalog. This links back to the source. --Moonriddengirl 16:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Dynamic Column widths in tables

I neatened List of bus routes in London, which has several tables. In particular I reduced some entries from two rows to one by abbreviating the bus operator's name if too long for one row. I piped the full name and its shortened form so that rolling over gave the full name and the link to the company's WP article was kept. For example ] became ].
I previewed often and saw all went well ... until the last "Arriva S. Counties" where using the piped expression made the whole column become narrower and even the previously tidy "Arriva S. Counties"s spilled on to two rows.
What is happening and what's the fix?
Some of the tables have different numbers of and widths of columns (and the data in them is liable to be edited) so an automatic(ish) fix rather than specifying actual column widths seems preferable.--SilasW (talk) 16:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You can use the {{!}} template, which is a pipe without ruining the table. Now, the table thinks that Arriva Southern Counties and Arriva S. Counties are on two different columns. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN} 16:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You can forcibly prevent a title from breaking to two lines by using the   symbol – a non-breaking space – in place of the spaces in the piped name. Note that the concept of 'too long for one row' is a bit arbitrary, as people will view Misplaced Pages at a wide range of resolutions and window sizes using a number of different browsers and browser settings; formatting that looks 'correct' to you will often appear very different on another person's computer.

Though I appreciate the effort, perhaps it would be best not to abbreviate the operators' names. Some people may find the stubstition of Arriva Sh's & E'x for Arriva Shires & Essex a bit cryptic, while looking at those tables on my monitor I see several centimeters of whitespace before the edge of the page. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalized Minot, ND Page

I have tried to change the Minot, ND page to the right nickname, but the wrong nickname keeps coming back. How can I clean up the vandalized page to Minot, ND permanently? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.111.230.142 (talk) 17:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism is common but easy to fix. See Misplaced Pages:Vandalism and Help:Reverting. You can request protection of the page if it gets a lot of vandalism, but this is far from enough to get protection. The nickname has not been changed for a week since . It's not possible to protect only a small part of a page such as the nickname. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Login Problem

I've just started having a log in problem with Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages remembers me when I log in the first couple of times, but after I close firefox a few times, the site forgets who I am. So I then go to the log in page from Misplaced Pages's main page. Once at the login page, the site then remembers who I am and I'm now logged on. Its not really a big deal at all, its just annoying since I don't know why the site can't remember me from the start and not when I get to the log in page. Under my preferences I have remember my log in check off and I accept cookies from Wikipeida. I think the problem is caused by Outpost, the firewall I'm using, since the problem disappears if I close outpost. I'll appreciate any help anyone has. Noneforall (talk) 17:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:VPT#Comments_summary: lots of other people are reporting this problem as well. Some people have reported that bypassing your cache when viewing the main page can help, but for some other people it didn't work. Clicking on any of the links on the Main Page to go to a different page seems to work as well. I haven't seen any reports that anyone knows what exactly is going on yet, though. --ais523 19:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Creating a new entry that already uses that name

I would like to set up a page for the author and journalist Robin Wright, but when I attempt to do this I am directed to the page for Robin Wright Penn. What do I need to do to create this page--a distinct entry not related to Robin Wright Penn Clintonjay (talk) 19:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC).

You can create a page at Robin Wright (author). For more information, see WP:DIS. Hersfold 19:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hersfold meant WP:DISAM, or just WP:D. Either two letters too much or too little. All these shortcuts can be tricky. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry, I can never get that shortcut right. I saw the blue link and assumed it was going the right place. Hersfold 21:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Still Vandalized on Minot, ND page

I would like the vandalized page on the Minot, ND page to be cleaned up and then have the page be protected. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.234.211.236 (talk) 19:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism you can remove yourself by editing the page - for more information on how to do this, see Help:Editing, WP:REVERT, and WP:VAND. I can't see that there is any vandalism currently visible on the page. Requests for page protection should go to WP:RPP, however they will only be granted in cases of excessive vandalism. Hersfold 19:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Code vs. symbols

I have come across an editor who does little else but change symbols to codes: "–" to "& ndash;"; "≠" to "& ne;" (spacing has been added to the code so it doesn't parse; why don't nowiki tags work for this which I used at first?; consider that an add on to this question) etcetera. Is there some reason behind this? What is it? Can you point me to some style-guideline-policy-talk page which discusses this? Thank you very much!--71.247.16.31 (talk) 20:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's just that user's preference. Either that or they're trying to get their edit count up. They shouldn't do it for no reason. As for the nowiki tags, I have no idea, it doesn't work for me either. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 21:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Certain characters don't display properly in all fonts or in all browsers, and by converting to the HTML equivalent, those shortcomings can be avoided. There's no policy that recommends this be done, however in order to make sure articles are completely legible some editors or bots will "Unicodify" articles as you saw. AutoWikiBrowser will often do this to articles by default. Help:Special characters provides a little more information on this. Hersfold 21:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Ermm, so there's no real need most of the time. Somehow I can't believe that any browser doesn't know how to display an en-dash.--71.247.16.31 (talk) 22:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Question regarding OTRS permissions for image use

I've received permission to freely use an image for Misplaced Pages's purposes, similar to other works. I noticed when publishers or copyright holders give permission, the OTRS system has been used, i.e. like here. However I have no idea how the process works. Can someone fill me in? David Fuchs 20:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not accept permission for use in Misplaced Pages only; such permission is as good as no permission at all. Misplaced Pages accepts only licenses which allow reuse and modification by anyone. See WP:COPYREQ. —teb728 t c 21:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

If you have the appropriate permission (a license that allows both commercial and non-commercial distribution) and a commons account, I have a "how to" guide here: User:R._Baley/Free_photo_essay. R. Baley (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Shortcuts

Are the Misplaced Pages Shortcuts assembled on one page anywhere? Thanks. Voiceperson (talk) 22:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:List of shortcuts has a lot, but almost certainly not all. Another helpful link is WP:EIW, which is the semi-official index of all the Misplaced Pages guides and so forth. Back in the day, you would have been able to search Special:Prefixindex for pages starting with WP:, but that won't work now. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Readers of this page may also be interested in "keyboard" shortcuts: Misplaced Pages:Keyboard_shortcuts. —Noah 22:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Michael Lucas (porn star)

There are numerous and protracted BLP violations at this article. Editor David Shankbone has inserted unsourced material and original research into the lead paragraph. He has also substituted material into the existing text, e.g., escort for prostitute and escorting for prostitution, despite the source referenced not supporting his changes. These changes he made seemingly at the behest of the subject of the article, Michael Lucas, who posted a statement on the article's talkpage. Other violations include the use by Editor WJBscribe of a photo of a purported birth certificate, written in a foreign language and foreign alphabet, posted on the talkpage, as proof of Lucas' birthname, and the use by Editor Hux of the same photo as proof of Lucas' birth (only he confuses the photo as being one of a passport, when it's actually the same photo WJBscribe used).

This and related matters have been brought to AN/I, BLP, and COIN and each time they have either been ignored, shot down, or the thread outright deleted, all by the same small group of editors and a few others.

Concurrently, an anon editor or editors has/have posted attacks and vicious comments on the article's talkpage, the various editors' talkpages, and other article talkpages, such that editors have intervened and protected those pages and this article page, precluding any editing by non-registered or new editors.

In summary, Michael Lucas is editing his own bio by proxy, through David Shankbone and others, and is supported by a small group of editors who prevent anyone from intervening to restore accurate and sourced content to the article.

What can be done about this?--71.127.229.113 (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess you could open a long, involved ANI thread about this, and abide by the consensus that forms there. Oh, wait... --barneca (talk) 23:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh that's so funny my sides are hurting from laughter! There's more than that one issue listed above; can you give help on the other issues? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.229.113 (talk) 23:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Not if they are extensively covered on the talk page or at ANI. You are seeking a user who is not at all familiar with the page for a second opinion whose opinion aligns with yours. Accusing David and others of sockpuppeting and of other actions (which I removed per BLP), without sources, is just begging for this to be placed as more evidence of ill-will at ANI. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Opinions from editors outside of the group described above (who work in concert and cover for each other) would be helpful, yes.--72.76.3.220 (talk) 00:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

February 22

Add an uploaded photo

I have uploaded sccessfully the photo of Laszlo Garai but I am not able to add it to the text "Laszlo Garai". Please, help me--Szalagloria (talk) 00:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

   {{ | Prof. Laszlo Garai in his office = | = |2002 August = |University of Szeged, Faculty of Economics, the office of the head of department of economic psychology | Gloria Szala = }}--Szalagloria (talk) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Where did you upload it to? Special:Contributions/Szalagloria does not include any image. —teb728 t c 01:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess you refer to hu:Kép:Laszlo Garai Hungarian scholar of theoretical, social and economic psychology.jpg in the Hungarian Misplaced Pages. You cannot display that in the English Misplaced Pages. You must either upload it to the English Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons (if the license allows it). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

How to create subcategory

I want to create a subcategory for education in Suffolk County in Category:Education in New York by county so that I can start cataloging Suffolk schools. How do I do this. Thanks!Noneforall (talk) 01:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Create the page at Category:Suffolk County schools (or whatever - make sure to stick to the naming convention set by other subcategories) and include ] on that page. That puts your new category into the bigger Education in New York category. Hersfold 02:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See Help:Category. You can create Category:Education in Suffolk County, New York and write ] in it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Identifying piece of classical music (Michael Nyman, perhaps?)

Hello! I'm trying to identify a piece of piano music from an episode of Frasier. It may be a piece by Michael Nyman of "The Piano" fame, but I'd love it if any of you could have a listen and suggest anything. The short clip is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-bHg6kYnLA Thanks! 172.200.4.127 (talk) 03:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good question for the Humanities Reference Desk (this page is primarily for questions on the mechanics of using Wikipeida). Good luck, —Noah 05:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you :) 172.200.4.127 (talk) 16:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.122.3 (talk)

You could make your question more precise by looking up the exact title of the episode of Frasier. If you don't get an answer on the Reference desk, then you might try asking some users who contributed to the corresponding episode article (if that particular episode article is not a red link). You can see who contributed to an article by checking its history. The coverage of Frasier on Misplaced Pages suggests we have a number of enthusiasts among our users, and probably they represent quite a resource for trivia about the show. Also see Talk:Frasier for links to some WikiProjects relating to the show, where you can probably find more users who share your interests. --Teratornis (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

other editors ganging up

I am new to wiki and have been having a lot of problems with editors on a page I created. (Bitless Bridle). Now they are saying mean things on my talk page and have even deleted things off my talk page without my knowledge. They have openly discussed the fact that they have ganged up on me on their own talk pages... when I quoted what they said on my talk page, they deleted it. Now they are threatening to have the other page I wrote deleted (Riding Halter). I can't ask for help on my own talk page anymore. I am afraid to look at it now actually. Is there any way to prevent people from deleting stuff off my talk page without telling me?? this has been a horrible experience for this newbie, I can tell you that. Thanks for any advice... although if you put it on my talk page, they'll just delete it again. Maybe you could email me instead? ((email address removed)) Thanks for any advice. This is really upsetting! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AeronM (talk • contribs) 03:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC) AeronM (talk) 03:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look (also, I removed your email address as it is not a good idea to post it directly on Misplaced Pages, instead you should use the "email this user" feature in your Preferences). —Noah 04:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, so I spent about 15 minutes just going through the history of your talk page. I haven't reviewed any article edits yet. From that review a number of things come to mind (these are just my opinions):

• You are taking things too personally
• You are not listening to the warnings from experienced editors
• You have bumped into (read: broken) a number of Misplaced Pages guidelines. This is not hard to do when you are new, however, rather than back-off a little you have pushed forward and created waves.

I am sure that other folks have been less than polite to you on their own talk pages, but that is not justification for the stance you have taken. Also, it is absolutely OK for people to edit your talk page in the manner that you described as "hi-jacking". Lastly, please take my kind recommendation to just take a little break then come back a few days later and review the WP:PILLARS page. You may also contact me via email if you wish to discuss this off-wiki (there is an email link on my user page. Cheers, —Noah 05:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I also took a look. I think your reaction is absolutely reasonable, but unfortunately negative for yourself and the project, so I suggest contributing on more general topics first. You worked hard on the topic, both in your own life, and then on the articles here. The articles has been mercilessly edited, and even proposed for deletion. This is extremely hard to accept about something you care deeply about. Unfortunately, this is one of the pillars of wikipedia: everyone can edit the articles.

This is why I suggest that you first contribute to topics about which you do not have such strong feelings. Join WP:WikiProject Equine, WP:WikiProject Visual arts, or WP:WikiProject Virginia, and look at all the articles that need help! You can make huge improvements to the encyclopedia in areas in which you have subject knowledge, but where you do not have any deep personal investment. JackSchmidt (talk) 05:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, JackSchmidt's response is superior to my own. Please focus on his rather than mine. Thanks, —Noah 05:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

If you get tired of edit warring, you can always answer questions on the Help desk, and read about other people's troubles. Answering questions on the Help desk and reading other users' answers is a great way to learn what Misplaced Pages is about, as well as to learn about the kinds of mistakes many people tend to make here. Misplaced Pages is different than anything which existed before, so it doesn't work exactly the way most people expect. It's best to start with small edits to existing articles, and read another friendly manual page every day (there are hundreds). Misplaced Pages has a number of policies and guidelines that differ than what most people assume when they first arrive here. Creating brand-new articles can be very hard for new users; that's actually just about the least likely approach to succeed, but unfortunately, the desire to create a new article is often a new user's motive to start editing. (We have a bit of a human factors problem here, that the design of Misplaced Pages consistently encourages a percentage of new users to start right off in the way most likely to fail.) Your contributions show that your very first edits were to create a new article. Also, your user page contains some promotional language, suggesting that your personal style of communication that has served you well in your long career is at odds with the style of communication Misplaced Pages has adopted for building an encyclopedia. My early experience on Misplaced Pages was jarring in many ways too, but this old horse managed to learn a few new tricks. --Teratornis (talk) 07:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

reporting images

How do I report an image that is clearly stated by the person who uploaded it to be pornography? How do I get it on the delete list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by John121206 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Please not that Misplaced Pages is not censored, and as long as an image (pornographic or otherwise) does not violate any of our existing policies we do not delete it. Vivio Testarossa 04:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

And using prod definitely does not work. First of all, these images can only be deleted on Commons, because they are not located directly on en.wikipedia.org Secondly, it might be a better idea to get them on the "bad image" list, so that they are only on a few "approved" pages. Thirdly, if you want to remove the image from articles, then discuss with other editors and perhaps they too think that would be a good idea. The chances that you will actually get the images deleted on Commons seem slim, because they appear to adhere to all of their policies though. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

John121206 has prodded several of these images now, and a small series of edit wars have broken out since that process isn't for images. • Anakin 04:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

There should be no edit wars over prods. If the prod is removed, nobody should put it back. That's the rule. Corvus cornix_talk 02:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeffery Ingram - fugue amnesia

Hello, I am Penny Ingram, Jeff's wife. I edited the information because it was not true that Jeff suffered "severe head trama" or that he could not talk when found.

Sincerely, Jeff and Penny Ingram —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.25.209 (talk) 06:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Penny. It may seem odd, but in your attempt to help out by making edits to the Jeffrey Ingram article you actually did something contrary to Misplaced Pages's guidelines. The problem is that we have use verifiable sources and we may not use original research when creating or editing articles. While this may seem cumbersome -- especially when you are writing about things that happened to you or someone you know -- it is important as it holds everyone to the same high standard and it provides people who haven't had your experience with a reference source to verify the facts. In the case of this edit you replaced "massive head injuries" with "amnesia" but that was at odds with the news article used as a reference for the article. If you know of other reliable sources that can back up that edit please add them to the article or the article's discussion page. In the mean time, it would probably be best to avoid changes that are at odds with the reference sources. Thanks, —Noah 07:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

overlapping sections

Sometimes the next headline may overlap onto a preceding section's image or table. How does we avoid this from happening? See: Orang Asli, section "Demography". kawaputra 08:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This page might help: Misplaced Pages:How_to_fix_bunched-up_edit_links. —Noah 08:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, thats also useful. User:Silver Edge fixed the problem using {{clear}}. Thanks. kawaputra 09:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Userbox help

On my userbox subpage i'm trying to get the {{Userboxtop}} to go left & right in the same position i've tried {{Userboxtopleft}} but nothing happens but instead the entire page turns dark, what's the correct procedure for this. Terra 10:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Try this: {{Userboxtop|align=left}} --Coppertwig (talk) 13:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I was coming here to tell you I fixed it, and found Coppertwig's (correct) advice. In any case it's done.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, both of the userbox were aligned to the left, one of them i've changed to right in the same position. Thank you for helping. Terra 15:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

How many references

If you are familiar with citing sources I might ask a dumb question I'm sure you know how to answer. Say I'm working on Elaine Benes and Hong Kong Legend and the top site might say "You need to cite website references on that page". How many website references do you need on one page? Like 50, 100 ref to make it like a webpage with websites tied to that page. If you're going to start on a new article and you know so much about one thing, how many cite references do you need? It shouldn't be difficult to answer but I'm just curious. Lastly what is the maximum limit into putting all those cites into one page? It will be mad to find all those websites. I'm a slow learner and not the type that needs to understand difficult words just to figure out what the answer means. Anyway, I'm sure you'll understand. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 12:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no magic number of references. You just need to provide enough references to reliable sources so that everything said in the article is verifiable by someone who doesn't have any specialized knowledge about the topic. It's great if you know a lot about a topic, but when someone else comes along later and reads what you've written, they should be able to check the facts in the article against other sources to see for themselves that it's accurate. —Bkell (talk) 13:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not a sockpuppet, am I?

Dear HelpDesk,

I registered today with the username "CalicoJackRackam" and after clicking on my new (or so I thought) username, I am told "This user is a sockpuppet of User:Shuppiluliuma."

What the heck is this?? If I then click on that Shuppilu...-thing I learn that it is a banned user.

I have no idea what this means, but I doesn't look right to me. Could it be that this "Shuppi..."-bloke had my "new" username registered before me (before he was banned)? If so, could you please unlink my account from his?

Thanks for your help!

Kind regards CalicoJackRackam (talk) 12:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It appears that you can remove it. Rarelibra created that page in Feb 2007 - your account, however, was created a year later, at 06:51 this morning UTC. It looks like that user was on a string of userpage vandalism at the time. You may want to ask Rarelibra what's up, if they can remember why they did it. Xenon 12:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

After further research, the user with the long name had a sock named CalicoJackRackham (talk · contribs · count). (Notice the added "h".) Rarelibra tagged the wrong userpage (or perhaps both as a precaution). Xenon 12:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Page in the wrong language

Hi,

I've noticed a page in the English Misplaced Pages written in what I this is Spanish (though it could be Portuguese...): San Hosé Pinula (http://en.wikipedia.org/San_Jos%C3%A9_Pinula)

I don't know what I can do about this, or who else to make aware of it.

Thanks,

81.109.159.93 (talk) 14:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you're right! Tell an admin about this and he/she may help you. Visit me at Ftbhrygvn (Talk|Contribs|Log|Userboxes) 15:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't require an admin (but I happen to be one). Google translate says it's Spanish: . It looks like it was written here (replacing a one-line English stub) and not copied from elsewhere. See Misplaced Pages:Pages needing translation into English. I will deal with it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I tagged it and listed it at Misplaced Pages:Pages needing translation into English#San José Pinula. An editor has now transwikied it to the Spanish Misplaced Pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Libelous comments remaining on articles

I haven't been editing much recently and noticed that a libelous statement had remained on one of my (biographical) watchlisted articles for 3 weeks. I would have thought that other people would have removed it, but for whatever reason, this hasn't happened. It was made by what appears to be a dynamic IP, who I believe has done so before. AIV and page protection are not appropriate (non current, single recent issue). This is damaging to Misplaced Pages and, on a personal basis, depressing to see. Are there any procedures in place to deal with this ? Thanks -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 16:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Which article? Did you bring this up at the BLP Noticeboard? Seicer (t | c) 16:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's the diff (looks as if I gave the poster a warning, then forgot to undo it :-( ). No I didn't think of BLP/N, are they likely to be able to do anything ? Thanks -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 21:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Lokahi and Lokahi Foundation user name

Having previously set up these two accounts neither of my passwords are working. As I did not register with an email address I am not able to reuqest a password reminder. Is it possbible to delete these two accounts and for me to then recreate with a new password?83.244.172.34 (talk) 16:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Lokahi Foundation is a problematic username per Misplaced Pages:Username policy#Company/group names because it's the name of a real organization and has deleted edits to Lokahi Foundation. User:Lokahi has no edits and you could try requesting usurpation of the name if it's important to you. Accounts cannot be deleted. It's easiest for you and us to just create a new account with another name. Please see Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest and Misplaced Pages:Business' FAQ if you plan to make more edits about the Lokahi Foundation. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Expanding Tutorial

No help, citation, or example can be found on expanding an article. Does expanding lead to a link, new page, etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbornavatar (talk • contribs) 19:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Expanding an article generally means adding new text to the current article. Basically writing another sentence, or another paragraph. Once that is done (or as that is done), you then find reliable sources to back up any specific claims that might be challenged, and ensure that at least a couple such sources are available to support the new text in a general way. Once the text is written, it is also useful to ] to other pages which cover important ideas in the new text, but that process is often asked for as part of the {{wikify}} template, not the {{expand}} template. Hope this helps. JackSchmidt (talk) 20:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It would be useful for you to look at our good article criteria, although "Good Article" has a specialized meaning here, for some hints on what kinds of things we like to see. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you referring to the first link in the box produced by {{Expand}}? That link simply opens an edit window for the page or section where you can edit the page source normally, for example by adding more text. See Help:Editing. The same window is opened by clicking the normal edit link. The expand box has no special functionality but merely draws attention to a page or section which could use more text. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

External Link Deletion

Over the past year my link to PoconoCommuter.com which is a non-profit corporation website that sells no products and supplies a rich resource of information about the Pocono region continues to be removed. This is in ThePoconos section.

If I'm doing something wrong please let me know what, otherwise can you determine who is removing my link? I am of the belief it is being done with malicious intent.

Also there is now a link there for Pocono Vacations which appears to be a commercial website.

Thanks,

Wayne —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waynemeyers (talk • contribs) 19:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Please remember, Misplaced Pages is not a directory. "Useful links" should not be added to articles on any given subject as if this were a tourist guide. Your links (added under what identity, might I ask?) are being removed as inappropriate under our guidelines on external links. No malicious intent is present. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:External links#Advertising and conflicts of interest says: "You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Misplaced Pages editors decide whether to add it". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I see you've removed the external links section entirely, but the skiing section is full of directory links to ski resorts. I'm afraid I cannot follow your criteria. My site contains a great deal of information about the Poconos and is a FREE non-profit resource to the community, yet and you won't allow that, but you will allow commercial ski resorts to be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.201.1.18 (talk) 20:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

G. edward Griffin

Please do not delete Ed Griffin from Misplaced Pages. I have read many of his books and find him to be a great author. It is ok to have a different point of view. Thank-you H. Deluca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.23.209 (talk) 20:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I copied this to the correct place. You may want to include a different argument there. The importance and usefulness of the subject is not particularly being disputed. What is being discussed is whether any reliable sources can be found to be added to the article to support those claims. Articles about important people, but without sources, are usually deleted. JackSchmidt (talk) 20:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Can someone guide me?

I want put up a page but it seems complicated and I'm nervous about doing it wrong. I have already written the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.247.135.70 (talk) 20:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The standard advice is:

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Misplaced Pages first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

As PrimeHunter mentioned, you have to register an account. Once you do, it would be good to create User:yourAccount/sandbox and enter your article there. Then you could ask people here to review it before trying to make a real article. Sbowers3 (talk) 21:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

As Sbowers3 recommends, perhaps create the article on a subpage of your userpage first (see Misplaced Pages:Subpages#How to create user subpages), so you can test it without being disturbed. Then, move it to the correct place. And remember to be bold!, and that no one will tell you off for getting it wrong. • Anakin 04:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Personal Sandbox

I know you can create a personal sandbox at Username/Sandbox. Does naming it as such have any effect or could one just as easily call it a Cowbox or sandbox (lower case)? Fribbler (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe the name has no effect. User pages can be suggested for deletion, but the criteria for keeping them is much easier to meet. If it was called "sandbox" or "Sandbox", I suspect it would have to be pretty bad to get deleted. The main[REDACTED] sandbox gets cleaned regularly. I don't think that happens for user pages. User pages that end in .js or .css cannot be edited by others (to my knowledge), but they also do not display normally like wiki pages. Otherwise, everyone can still edit "your" sandbox, but I think most people don't. JackSchmidt (talk) 21:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! Was wondering if the case sensitivity mattered. Thanks again. Fribbler (talk) 21:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

As long as you don't pick an offensive name, there are no rules. If you call it Cowbox then people noticing the name in recent changes or your contributions may be more likely to look at it. Sandbox sounds so boring that people will probably stay away. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Mediawiki ignores the case of the first letter anyway, so "Sandbox" and "sandbox" will give you the same page. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 11:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Not in this case where it's subpages and the first letter is in the username. The user has created both User:Fribbler/Sandbox and User:Fribbler/sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The Astrons

Which parts of this website can I use to make an article on a swedish band called "The Astrons"? Thank you very much, here is the link: deleted

--DellorKcir (talk) 22:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

link deleted. reported user Gtstricky 22:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Rick Rolled on Misplaced Pages... naughty, naughty. —Noah 22:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hands up! Who else was silly enough to get the link out of the history and go to the page? • Anakin 04:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Economy of the United States does not load

Hello fellow Help desk helpers, I thought I would ask a question for a change. I can't seem to load Economy of the United States right now. Firefox says "Loading..." until it times out and an error page appears:

Wikimedia Foundation
Error
Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is
probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a
few minutes.

However, I can view other pages with no problem, so I'm wondering if something is wrong with Economy of the United States. I can see the history and the Google cached version, but not any recent revisions from the history. Does anyone else get this problem? --Teratornis (talk) 22:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm having the same problem with that page in Firefox or using "curl" at the command line. Random guess: someone pasted some huge amount of text onto the page. —Noah 22:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe not, history is working on that page and doesn't show any massive change. —Noah 22:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I can use curl without problem to get http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Economy_of_the_United_States (and also with &useskin=chick and/or action=purge). However, curl times out when I try to get http://en.wikipedia.org/Economy_of_the_United_States which seems very fishy to me. Firefox can't get anything. JackSchmidt (talk) 22:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I get similar almost similar behavior as above. Tried changing user-agents but nothing helped. I can't even pull up the history page. Q 00:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Left a message in #wikimedia-tech, hopefully one of the brains can figure it out :) Q 01:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed, seems somebody found a quirk in the new processor when he made an infinite loop with {{Economy of the United States}} Q 01:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL, isn't the economy of the US pretty much always in a loop:-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyunck(click) (talk • contribs) 08:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Placing the signature correctly on summary box

If you click the cursor on the "summary" box and then go to signature box, click the signature,it appears right to the last point of edition. How to fix that? --Siniestra (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siniestra (talk • contribs) 22:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This sounds like something browser dependent. If I'm in the edit summary field when I click signature in Internet Explorer 7.0 then the signature is placed in the start of the edit box. Just click where you want the signature before clicking signature, or write the signature yourself with four ~. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

List of edits on page history does not include recent edit...

The page history of National Popular Vote Interstate Compact doesn't seem to list the most recent edit to the page.

I've looked at it on two different computers and the most recent edit listed is Feb 20, even though another edit was made on Feb 22 which is not listed.

Can anyone fix or explain this? Thanks! Szu (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I currently see this edit from Feb 22. I don't know why you don't see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I see it now... I wonder why I couldn't see it before. Szu (talk) 23:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It might have been a browser cache issue. —Noah 23:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

February 23

login problem

while I did create an account, and perhaps cannot remember my password or even loginname, your help site for resolving such issues is incomprehensible and unusable. Short of attempting to create a new account, how can you help me resolve this? ALSO, you should not make it so easy to create an account without telling people how difficult it will be to login later! Randy Bedore, Shorewood (Milwaukee) Wisconsin <email removed> EDIT: even the submission of this help page in incomprehensible!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.142.59 (talk) 00:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

We already have 48,598,263 accounts. Another one is no problem. Just create it and write down username and password. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Really its not hard to log in, just remember your Username and password, and set your enter in your email address, so if you forget your password you have it reset. Also this help desk is run by volunteers, unlike most other helpdesks, and I think the service that we provide here goes above and beyond what is required.--Kerotan Have a nice day :) 01:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Help desk does require a new user to do something he or she might never have done before: edit a wiki page. A person must have some understanding of wiki editing before being able to ask a question. That is a little bit of a barrier to someone who is brand new, and already confused about whatever problem motivated the trip to the Help desk in the first place. A new user has to process this whole complex page using only short term memory, and that can be a strain. A word of advice to Randy: if you haven't already, try working through the tutorial. --Teratornis (talk) 07:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Signiture

Is there any offical place where i can get people to help code a new signiture for me? Im kinda bored of this one. BonesBrigade 03:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Here you go:

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Enjoy. Now you can get back to working on the encyclopedia! Cheers, TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Article That Needs a Lot of Clean-Up

I found a Misplaced Pages article that needs a lot of clean-up, and the only editing I’d done before was correcting grammar and spelling, so I’m not exactly sure what to do. I don’t know how to place clean-up messages and if all the relevant ones should be placed in it. The article is "Inventive Spelling". It is biased nearly throughout in favor of inventive spelling, for instance, “ instruction does not tend to improve students' spelling on any words except those on the test,” is unsubstantiated and absurd. (My classmates and I learned it this way and developed excellent spelling skills in general.) I did add one item to the list of costs, though. It has two weasel-word phrases, “some research has shown”and “many educators argue.”Several sentences require citation. The references given are bare URLs, one of which is a broken link. I don’t have enough experience yet or good enough writing skills to overhaul an article. So, what should I do?

I would suggest do some research and then start from there. Read a couple other articles like that to get a basic feel for how the formating should be and other stuff. Btw i already added a buuuuunch of tags as that will give you some ideas on what to work on. BonesBrigade 04:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of templates

What should we do when we see (assumedly unintentional) inappropriate use of templates? I'm thinking of situations like Talk:Andrew Harris (musician)#Continual Reverts of Off-topic & unencyclopedic entries. Talk pages should not be categorized as guidelines, right? Libcub (talk) 04:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

What about User pages, such as User:Cuyler91093/The Abridged Guide to Misplaced Pages. Is that an appropriate use of the Template:Guideline? Libcub (talk) 04:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the guideline templates from the talk page - The editor there was apparently trying to link to those guidelines, but did it in a really odd way. As for the user page, I think that should be tagged as an {{essay}}, but I'll leave it to the user to fix. You can ask them about it on their talk page if you like. Hersfold 07:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Height/Weight conversions in infoboxes

There is some dispute over whether to use height/weight coversion templates in wrestlers articles. The template does not use them, but some people insist on using them because some other infoboxes on Misplaced Pages use them. One of the problems I have with weight coversion template is that it adds their weight in Stones. Stones is a weight measurement that is no longer officially used. There are some people in Commonwealth countries who unofficially still use it, but using it would be like using other abandoned measurements like Koku. Any comments or suggestions? TJ Spyke 05:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

You could just use the {{convert}} template which will show just kg and pounds. —Noah 06:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

What has official got to do with communicating information? We don't add Fahrenheit, for example, because it is used officially somewhere, but because a lot of sources and editors use it. Of course, SI units should always be used in an article even if other units are used too; these are the only ones that are used on the basis of being 'official', but really because they are internationally known. 79.74.27.178 (talk) 01:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Indenting

How do i align sentences? See here: Template:Malaysian general election, 2008. If u see under "National Front" there are a number of parties under this banner which have been indented. Then comes "United Pasok Momogun Kadazandusun Sabah", which is too long, and takes up two lines. The second line is not indented. How do i indent this? I tried reading {{indent}}, but its impossible to understand. kawaputra 07:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

That's a good question. The long entry will wrap if your browser window is not wide enough. The line does not wrap when I view it at a screen width of 1200 pixels. Since we cannot predict how wide the viewer's window will be, we cannot predict where the line will break. It might be possible to manually force the line to break within the table cell, but I'm not sure. The indented lines use non-breaking spaces to create the indents:    , which is not the best method, since it only indents the first line in a table cell if the cell contents end up wrapping. I can't think of a good answer immediately. --Teratornis (talk) 07:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I looked at {{Indent}}; the documentation is not exactly a masterpiece of clear technical writing. I suggest making a user sandbox page like: User:Kawaputra/Sandbox, copy {{Malaysian general election, 2008}} to your Sandbox page, and then you can safely experiment there, without possibly messing up whatever pages transclude the actual template. --Teratornis (talk) 07:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for answering. Oh, so i must be using a narrow screen monitor. Ya, i might try some of the templates found in {{indent}}. I have tried some but it didnt work. I'll c what else i can do. kawaputra 09:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

dispute

Why is an article protected when there is a dispute involving its subject? 124.181.45.149 (talk) 07:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

See WP:PROT. --Teratornis (talk) 07:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Even though you've been directed to the above link, let's just say that protection for a short period of time prevents inflammatory edit warring and allows consensus to be reached via mediation and discussion between the editors involved. It's also a means of stability during an instable time. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 07:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Problem article Pancreas--not sure what to do

So I looked up the article on Pancreas and got the following: This. Not sure what to do with it, so I thought I'd start here :). --Silvaran (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks as though someone vandalized the page, I have reverted it back to its regular previous state and warned the anonymous user. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 08:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

If you come across something like that again, just use the history section to compare an older version to the most recent. This gives you the option of rolling back to a previous version. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 08:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

OK thanks very much, I'll do a more thorough check on the history next time.--Silvaran (talk) 08:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Filtering recent change

Is it possible to filtre recent changes? For example, I can view only the recent changes on terrorism related articles? Or only the recent changes on United States related articles? Is it possible? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Special:Recentchangeslinked will give you edits to pages in a certain category or to pages that are linked from on the target page; for example: Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Terrorism and Special:Recentchangeslinked/United States. Hope this helps. WODUP 10:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

You can use this trick to create a sort of customised watchlist - make a subpage of your userpage (e.g. User:Otolemur crassicaudatus/Watch1), and fill it with links that you want to watch. Then click on "Related changes" in the sidebar when you're on that page, and voila! Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 11:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Update Required "Democracy"

Address: http://en.wikipedia.org/Democracy

The status of Pakistan is shown as "not free" which is ridiculous. Recently democratic elections took place and a new government is ruling so please update. Pakistan is a democratic country and is FREE. I am a borned citizen as to confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.240.67 (talk) 10:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

If you mean the second map in the History section, then it looks like it was based on a study that took place before the recent election. If you can find a reliable source which declares that Pakistan is now democratic, then you can go to the article's talk page (Talk:Democracy) and discuss making the change there. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 11:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Chennai Tamil portal

Dear sir/madam

I found so many vulgar words in Chennai Tamil portal. Kindly delete that kind of words. Because it will affect our Tamil Language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.145.125.100 (talk) 11:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I looked at the article on Chennai, and the Tamil Nadu portal, and didn't see any vulgarity. Wherever you saw it, it's likely that the page was vandalised recently. When you see that, you can revert it to a previous, hopefully clean version, yourself. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 11:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Inapporiate Images

The following images should be removed due to racist nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Maome.jpg#file

Pictures of Prophets are not ALLOWED and are RACIST!

Islam does not allow images of Holy people to be recreated in any matter form or way. These images and possibly others should be removed immidiantly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by -N34 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Your concern is appreciated. However, Misplaced Pages is not censored for sexual, violent, racial or religious material. See Talk:Muhammad/FAQ for some frequently asked questions relating to images of Muslim prophets. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 11:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Also see Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Muhammad image controversy, a proposal to revisit. • Anakin 12:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Bad selection of colours in <source> rendering_rendering-February_23-2008-02-23T13:39:00.000Z">

Maybe it's just me, but some of the text colours used in <source> listings are almost invisible against the grey background. Here's an example:

void foo()
{
  s.cyan = 0;
  s.text = 0;
  s.is = 0;
  s.almost = 0;
  s.impossible = 0;
  s.to = 0;
  s.see = 0;
}

If the cyan text looks OK to you, then perhaps this rendering might illustrate the problem a bit better.

Would it be possible to change these colours so that they stand out from the background a bit more reliably? Or is there any way I can set up a custom stylesheet to change the settings in my own browser? -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 13:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)_rendering"> _rendering">

Never mind — I added this to my monobook.css file and things look a lot better now.

.source-cpp .me1 { color:#499; }
.source-cpp .me2 { color:#499; }

(Although I still think it would be a good idea to change the default colours) -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 14:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)_rendering"> _rendering">

Infobox is fucked up

Kanzi
File:Kanzibonobbbbo.jpgKanzi of the Bonobos
Born	(1980-10-28) October 28, 1980 (age 44) Georgia State University

Why are some parameters not showing up, and why are we getting all those extra curly brackets at the end? I've been scratching my head about this all morning.....--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 15:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:PURGE fixed the problem, no thanks to any of you :-P.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 16:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

You never know, slightly more civility might get you a faster response next time - anyway, it can't hurt. SpinningSpark 18:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't uncivil until after no one answered my question--and even then I was only kidding. So I doubt extra "civility" would have impelled users to my aid in this case.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

So the section name was civil? Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It was maybe a tad vulgar. But my question was perfectly polite. I didn't insult anyone. Until later.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, just be more careful next time. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll be way more fucking careful next time. Thank you for your understanding.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 20:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

A more likely explanation of why no one replied is that he waited only a little over an hour—during which time the only post was the question in the next section. Obviously no one was monitoring the page during that time. His problem is more patience than civility. —teb728 t c 20:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I think so too. When I decided I couldn't wait longer, I tried WP:PURGE (because that seems to be a generic solution for every sort of display problem), and it worked.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Trying to add references

Hello,

We are trying to add references/footnotes to an article. We hit the <ref/ref> button which did add the reference number (ie. ) but when we added the link url within the designated area (something like add footnote text here) and then saved the page, the footnote numbers appear but not the actual links below the Misplaced Pages text. Nor are the footnote numbers clickable. How do we get the reference/footnote numbers to link to the actual footnote/reference below? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mass Animal Rights Coalition (talk • contribs) 16:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

What article are you working on? Not being able to see the article, I can't exactly answer your question. Is there a Reference section towards the bottom? Does it have "reflist" inside a pair of brackets? I place the reference website and then one space and then a plain text description of the website. Rocketmaniac 17:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

To make that a bit clearer, I think Rocketmaniac is saying write

==References==

{{reflist}}

at the bottom of the page, but before any categories, templates or language links. SpinningSpark 18:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I just now learned how to type "code" without it actually taking affect. If you tell us what article you are working on, we might be able to help you more. Rocketmaniac 01:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Can I get an electronic copy of a Misplaced Pages database?

Does[REDACTED] provide access to an electronic database? More specifically, I am looking for a database, preferably in Excel, of a database of colleges and universities in every country except the USA. I require only limited field - Country/collegeor university name/ city or town. If I could also get the province, that would be ideal but not necessary.

Thanks for any help/advice you can provide.

Peter PfdBoston (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I presume not, and databases would usually be access files anyway. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 17:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe you can do this. See WP:DUMP. SpinningSpark 18:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

A lot of the information you want is probably available via a WP:DUMP, but because Misplaced Pages is not a structured wiki nor a semantic wiki, the information you want may not be conveniently available in Misplaced Pages's database. See mw:Manual:Database layout for details. The information you want may have some structure, in the form of infobox templates, category links, and so on, but extracting it and turning it into an Excel database would require some heavy-duty programming, since lots of different people edit Misplaced Pages's articles and they may present the same types of data in various ways. --Teratornis (talk) 01:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

See the links under WP:EIW#Querie. You might get lucky with something there. Such as maybe:

• Online version of dbpedia.org - structured information extracted from Misplaced Pages

--Teratornis (talk) 01:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Use of Information

I have written some text that could be added to the Ottowa page on[REDACTED] on my website:

• The Future of Ottowa <link disabled>

Could I use it on Misplaced Pages? Regards, --PUuoYeviGannoGreveN (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Only if you're willing to give up any copyrights on the text and release it into the public domain. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 17:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

But is the acutual text on my website appropiate for wikipedia? --PUuoYeviGannoGreveN (talk) 18:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

What text? I will issue an official warning on your talk page. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 19:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I SERIOUSLY ADVISE USERS not TO CLICK THE ABOVE LINK! Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 19:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Controlling the colours of links

I would appreciate it if someone could tell me where to find a userscript or something that would let me control the colours of different kinds of links, specifially to make links I've previously visited show up in a bolder colour. When doing disambiguation link repair, I need to find the previously-visited link which is the disambiguation page, and I find it hard to spot because it's a purple which looks to me a lot like either the plain black text or like ordinary blue links. I'd like to be able to set it to red or something just while doing disambiguation. I'm using the browser Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.12. Thanks. --Coppertwig (talk) 18:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit User:Coppertwig/monobook.css (or change monobook to whatever skin you use) and add: a:visited { color: #777;}. This will make all visited links gray. You can adjust the #777 to whatever color you like. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It works! Thanks! I now see that that help page Help:User style sort-of explains that, though not really. --Coppertwig (talk) 20:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Duty Counsel - error/ommission

Family duty counsel exists in Canada as well as criminal. We assist unrepresented parties in the courts with legal informations, forms and advice on family law matters for free if the clent is low-income. We can appear in court on uncontested or consent matters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.237.13 (talk) 19:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

What does that have to do with Misplaced Pages? It is blatant advertising, which has no place on Misplaced Pages and is against wiki guidelines. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 19:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the OP is referring to our brief article on Duty counsels, which seem to be similar to a duty solicitor or public defender - I think this is a good faith attempt (perhaps imperfectly expressed) to correct the article which does only currently mention their responsibility in criminal justice cases. I'll see if I can find a reference to add it to the article. --Kateshortforbob 20:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm sorry about the misunderstanding. I didn't mean to bite. Next time, please post on the article's discussion page to avoid confusion. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk 20:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know I added a little bit. 24.70.237.13, if there's more information you think should be there, you can do as Dendodge suggested and mention it on the article's discussion page or even add it yourself; in case you didn't know, Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia that everyone can edit, and we love it when editors add new information - with sources, of course! Feel free to ask if you need any help --Kateshortforbob 21:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Seventh-Day Adventist Church

What is the best thing to do when the majority of editors of a[REDACTED] page are in a conflict of interest over their power to control the content of the page?

In this case the editors in control of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church page are:

1. Blatantly removing content on the page which they see as embarrassing about their organization, and reorganizing the page to exclude topics that they don't like.
2. Adding content which merely promotes their organization.
3. Refusing to allow others to add information to the page that they do not like, regardless whether it can be backed up with fact and citations.
4. Refusing to make their page consistent with information on other related pages. (for instance, although the page on Restorationist church clearly states that Seventh-Day Adventism is a restorationist church, and as do many online ans offline sources, they refuse to articulate this on the page because they disagree with this.)

I am not an antagonist of their church. I am just fed up with certain users of[REDACTED] with a clear conflict of interest taking control over a page to ensure that their organization is promoted, as well as removing and ignoring objective information that they do not like. 24.83.90.35 (talk) 20:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

If the state of things is still relatively calm, the standard list of things to do when in an editing conflict are:

• Try and work it out civilly on the talk page for the article
• Try and contact the editors directly via their talk pages and work it out -- flexibility and creative thinking are key here
• Ask an experienced editor for help at Editing Assistance
• Take your case to Incident's Noticeboard

Good luck, —Noah 21:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The Editor's index has lots of links under WP:EIW#Dispute. For example, see: Misplaced Pages:Controversial articles. As Misplaced Pages grows in importance and visibility, it's a wonder everyone with an ax to grind isn't trying to grind it here. Note that religious people have a particular challenge, because faith (at least among the Abrahamic religions) is fundamentally opposed to the neutral point of view. I suspect we can thank wikitext, in part, for having fewer disputes than we might be having: Misplaced Pages is baffling enough to the average person that it probably impedes many groups of religious or political fanatics from organizing quickly to commandeer articles. However, this process has already played out on some topics. For example, some creationists and conservatives slugged it out on Misplaced Pages before deciding Misplaced Pages's point of view was a bit too neutral for their tastes, so they left and started CreationWiki and Conservapedia, respectively. It sounds like these Seventh Day Adventists are earlier in this process, which may culminate eventually in a bunch of them leaving to set up a Seventh Day Adventist wiki where they won't have to pretend to be neutral (here's one that uses TikiWiki). If you want to confront them effectively, you'll have a harder time doing it from an IP address. Do you have an account? If not, I suggest creating one, and then start a user sub-page on which you document the behavior which you believe violates Misplaced Pages policy. Sorting out these disputes takes work, and you can help by documenting the offenses. --Teratornis (talk) 01:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help guys. Yes I do have an account on my home computer. I will try to work things out with those guys. I think that it is terrible for people to use[REDACTED] to promote any kind of propoganda. 209.121.155.196 (talk) 11:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Editing a box in an article

I'm trying to figure out how to edit the contents of the box at the top right of the article on the Nuclear program of Iran. It's a bulleted collection of links, but there does not appear to be any corresponding text in the article when I click "edit this page." I'd like to add some links and delete others. NPguy (talk) 20:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Go to page Template:Nuclear program of Iran. If you edit that, it will change the box on the page you were looking at. It's transcluded into that page with {{Nuclear program of Iran}} which appears near the top of the page within the edit box. However, note that that box is also included in several other pages. Go to the template page I just mentioned, then click "what links here" at the left, and you'll see a list of pages that include it. All those pages will be affected too if you edit the box. Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages! --Coppertwig (talk) 20:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Br

Is there any difference between the tags <br>, <br/>, and <br /> (with a space)? Thanks, Reywas92 22:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

None
that
I know
of. ---CWY2190 22:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

No, they are all turned into <br />.--Patrick (talk) 22:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Possibly by HTML Tidy, which would possibly make them different on another MediaWiki wiki where the system administrator did not install HTML Tidy and set up the wiki to use it. I'm not 100% sure about this, but I do know that different wikis running on the MediaWiki software that powers Misplaced Pages may process HTML tags differently, depending on how their administrators set them up. --Teratornis (talk) 01:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

February 24

Fonts in svg file

Why is it that when I create an svg image with the font Scriptina (using Inkscape) and then upload it, the font appears in Verdana? Sorry if this is an obvious question, this is my first time using svg files. Thanks! Deflagro /_T 00:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

You have to convert a text to a path. In Inkscape, I believe it's Object->Convert to Path or Ctrl-⇧Shift-C (not sure about other editors, sorry). Good luck! Xenon 00:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could choose one of the fonts that are already installed on the Misplaced Pages servers. This would make it a lot easier for others to edit your work in order to make corrections or translate it into another language, for example. -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 13:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

2004 budget

Run2bn8 (talk) 01:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)you said i could see the 2004 united states federal budget if i created a account so i did where is it i film everything; some think they can call me a liar my report is due monday it show there is a report but clicking on it only leads to more questions 2006 works 2007 works why not 2004 you mislead me

Who said that you needed to create an account to see the federal budget? Corvus cornix_talk 02:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

There is an overall figure for 2004 at United States federal budget if that helps. SpinningSpark 02:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

And the reason you cannot see United States federal budget, 2004 is nothing to do with your account, it is because no one has written that article yet. That's what the red link means. SpinningSpark 02:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess you saw a message saying you could start the article if you created an account. "Start" here means to start writing an article. There was no existing article and only users with an account can create an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

HEEELP ME PLEASE OH LORD

Maybe this question should be in the military talk page but also what is the project page? Okay to my second or main question, there is something weird going on when i go on to edit the bottom smaller box of Cyrus the Great, the info first of all is visible before you go edit it but when trying to edit the battles box there is nothing just blank in the editing part, press the small v as you know which means edit but there is nothing there i have to or if you can do it all over again or just put the first battle and ill add the other ones if your busy, and i dont know what to put in the first place and if i want to edit it, im afraid i destroy everything. but i dont know why its blank check it out comment on my talk and if you could in the edit put the info there i would love it, im a rookie with a busy life currently and want to donate my knowledge to Misplaced Pages, and if you cant fix it ill commentin the militaryhistory talk area, also if you could or cant fix it, comment on my page so i know you got this message, and thanks!--Ariobarza (talk) 02:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

You need to edit Template:Campaignbox Wars of Cyrus the Great. Corvus cornix_talk 02:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

That is true, but I too am curious why when you go to edit that box you get sent to "the Wars of Cyrus the Great" instead of "Wars of Cyrus the Great". —Noah 02:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Because the parameter 'raw_name' was set incorrectly. Fixed. Algebraist 02:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Please also be aware that the template is used in several other articles (you can get a list by clicking "What links here" while you are at the template). Be sure that your edits make sense in those articles also. SpinningSpark 02:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Counting new articles by user

How may one find out how many new articles have been started by a given user? This is not a statistic provided by EditCount. Someone mentioned an admin or two who could work up the total, but the answer is lost in a sea of user talk pages. Please help! Zephyrad (talk) 02:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

You may want to see this; I believe it lists a tool. Keilana| 02:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

You can get recent articles from Special:Newpages but I don't know how to get the historical total. SpinningSpark 02:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Meaning of edicate

I NEED THE MEANING OF THE WORK...EDICATE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.80.253.200 (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Try a Google search: google:edicate. It depends on context and is sometimes a misspelling of etiquette. Have you tried the Language section of Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Misplaced Pages. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

searching specifically

currently there may not be an image search on wikipedia, especially animated images so if there is, how do i use it? if there isn't then how do i find images?

165.21.154.109 (talk) 09:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

However i may not be able to read it since i can never find anything i want in wikipedia.

Unfortunately, as you've seen, it's not very easy, as Misplaced Pages's built-in search engine quite frankly sucks. However, you can do a Google Image Search, and include the text site:upload.wikimedia.org in your search. This will only give you images on Wikimedia servers, and hopefully what you're looking for. Hersfold 11:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

You can click "Search" below the search box, and then check "Image" at the bottom of the window and use the bottom search box. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

layouts IE and Firefox

Layout of images of victims in Ipswich 2006 serial murders.I have both open at the moment; IE spaces the individual articles out with their respective image, whilst Firefox bleeds over into the next section. I do not have the knowledge to sort it, any assistance gratefully received. Edmund Patrick ( _work) 10:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

or better still tell me how to do it so that I can learn. Edmund Patrick ( _work) 11:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Cumbersome but I think I have sorted it out the long way! Please take a look, if there is a better one please let me know. Ta Edmund Patrick ( _work) 13:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Getting "Log in / create account" message on my talk page

For the last several days, my talk page (and only that page) has been showing a "Log in / create account" heading. If I go ahead and click on it and go through the login process (including clicking "Remember me"), I get a "Login successful" page, but upon going back to my talk page, it still says "log in / create account". I tried logging out and logging back in--no effect. I tried clearing my browser cache--no effect. Every other Misplaced Pages page I go to is fine: I get the "Emoll my talk my preferences my watchlist my contributions log out" heading. I'm using a Safari browser, Version 3.0.4, on Mac OS 10.4.11, in case that's relevant. Any ideas on what's going on and how to fix it? Thanks. Emoll (talk) 10:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This sounds similar to the problem we've been having recently here, however the reports in that thread say that whatever the problem was, it has resolved itself. Try clearing your cache one last time, but if that doesn't work, I'd let the techies at the other end of that link know that something's still going on. Sorry I can't be of more help, but we haven't figured out what the problem was/is yet, and all attempts to fix it manually have failed. Hersfold 11:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed (I think). Per this, any such pages need to be WP:PURGEd. Algebraist 13:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be OK now. Thanks very much. Emoll (talk) 14:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

article deletion e.j. gold

biography of e.j. gold. <section blanked as I am fairly sure it violates WP:BLP> gold is NOT a 'notable person' in any way shape or form. an e.j. gold biography is a sick joke. it should have no place on wikipedia. please make it go away. i can't do any more. thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.212.128.119 (talk) 11:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I have removed part of your post, as I feel it may break our policy on biographies of living people. Obviously, it is still visible in the page's history, if anyone needs to see it.

Would this be E. J. Gold, described as a science-fiction author and jazz musician? Unfortunately, we can't make articles "go away", even if they are very upsetting to people. Obviously, you know of Misplaced Pages's deletion process, which is the main way articles are removed. However, in order for this to happen, the article must be failing one of our policies, of which there are many. From a quick read-through, I can't see any outright policy violations; I know you have said that you feel unable to do anything more, but if you change your mind, there has previously been a discussion on the article's talk page in Summer 2007, which you could re-open (bearing in mind, of course, our policy on biogaphies of living people). If you don't want to participate further on Misplaced Pages with this issue, perhaps you could discuss your feelings about the subject with someone in the real world you trust: a family member, friend or professional - I usually find doing this helpful. --Kateshortforbob 12:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

(E/C) We do not delete articles about people because of allegations about them detailing their bad nature. We do, however, detail both positive and negative content but only with sources. Any negative content (especially in an article on a living person) must be sourced using high quality references, and must be written with a care not to give a disproportionate amount of space to critics, to avoid the effect of representing a minority view as if it were the majority one. I am not unsympathetic to your allegations, but they are just that, allegations backed by no proof we can check. So if you have high quality references detailing the "other side" of this individual, those can be added to the article with a careful eye toward not giving undue weight. Otherwise, they cannot. The article will not be deleted, regardless.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

RSS Feed for Misplaced Pages Pages?

Can I get an RSS feed from a Misplaced Pages page? For instance, when someone makes a change to a Wiki page, I want to be notified via my RSS aggregator/reader. Or is there another way to accomplish this other than RSS? Tks. 75.107.103.109 (talk) 12:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

There is only an RSS feed for Recent changes. However, one of the perks of signing up is the ability to have your own "watchlist", which will list all the recent changes to pages that you are watching. Xenon 12:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Syndication. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

There's rss feeds for individual pages on the history page. --h2g2bob (talk) 13:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Need help answering queries on Editor Assistance Misplaced Pages:Editor_assistance/Requests

There is a large number of unaddressed questions on Misplaced Pages:Editor_assistance/Requests - could interested editors possibly drop by and see if they can lend a hand? Please and thank you. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 13:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Re-direct

I've created an article about Sir Degarè and would like to know how to have 'Sir Degare' (without an accented /e/) re-direct to the same page. Thanks. golden bells, pomegranates, prunes & prisms (talk) 14:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I have created a redirect at Sir Degare with the content:

#REDIRECT ] {{R from title without diacritics}}

PrimeHunter (talk) 14:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Tagging temporary facts

Is there a convention for marking facts which are useful but expire on a predictable future date and will need to be corrected or confirmed then? For example, I recently produced a simple map, showing which political party was elected in various areas, which will become obsolete at the next election (date known). I realise phrases such as "as at" can usefully mark facts as temporary, but an automatic reminder would be helpful to prompt me or someone else to revise the map. Does WP already have anything along the lines of:

George W. Bush is the current US president. {{Category:Fact_expires_January_2009}}

allowing helpful editors to search this month's category for pages to update? If not, does the idea of using categories in this way seem worth proposing, and if so where? Certes (talk) 14:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, this doesn't exist, but I think it would be very worthwhile, particularly in rapidly changing articles about breaking news events. Aecis 14:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

See {{Update after}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter. Update after seems to be exactly what I was looking for. It's not for rapidly changing articles, but the article I was referring to will only change every three years, so it's ideal for me if not for Aecis. Certes (talk) 15:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages:Avoid statements that will date quickly. —Bkell (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Moving article from User: to Main

I have created a new article, draft, on my user sub page. user adrian142/draft of Whitechapel church, Cleckheaton. I now wish to transfer this to an actual entry in wikipedia, under the title, Whitechapel church, Cleckheaton. How do I do this without having to retype it all in under the new directory heading —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrian142 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

If you want to move it to the article space, you can click on the Move tab on top of your screen, and enter the new name. If you do, the article will be moved to the new name. I would recommend you rewrite the article though. It contains a lot of first person talk and original research. Aecis 15:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Near Duplicate pages

What is going on here: there are two, almost duplicate, pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/Primeval_(TV_series) and http://en.wikipedia.org/Primeval ??

They now share much of the same text, but will rapidly diverge as people find and edit one or the other page

Is there anyone who can fix this quickly? 210.17.195.50 (talk) 15:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

There are no duplicate article. Primeval (TV series) is a redirect to the article Primeval. That means that you will be led to the article Primeval if you enter Primeval (TV series). Aecis 15:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes. By the way, the redirect was created by moving Primeval (TV series) to Primeval. A move automatically leaves a redirect so links to the old name still work. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARTICLES. See, e.g., the date style in the first para of each article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Primeval_(TV_series)

Primeval is a British science fiction drama television programme produced by Impossible Pictures for ITV. The first episode was broadcast on 10th February 2007, and was renewed for a second series by ITV, which started on 12th January 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Primeval

Primeval is a British science fiction drama television programme produced by Impossible Pictures for ITV. The first episode was broadcast on 10 February 2007, and was renewed for a second series by ITV, which started on 12 January 2008.

The redirect has failed in some way. 210.17.197.32 (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you are seeing two versions of the same page. Those dates were changed from "10th" and "12th" to "10" and "12" in this edit: . Visit both of your links again, and be sure to click the Refresh button (maybe while holding down Shift) to get the latest version of each page. You should see exactly the same text, because they are both the same article. —Bkell (talk) 16:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

how to cite

How do I cite another form of media? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emerybob (talk • contribs) 16:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Have you looked at WP:CITATION? SpinningSpark 16:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Spinningspark probably meant WP:CITE. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, actually I was trying to get WP:CITE/ES, but that is the top level doc. SpinningSpark 16:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

please I nedd help with images not displaying in I.E. 6

I would appreciate any help I can get truely desperate here I have a wiki based on mediwiki my users are restricted to i.e.6 for viewing my problem is that uploaded images (any file extension and Ihave correct extensions listed in my localsettings.php) are not showing on i.e.6 (will show on any of the newer browsers) the image is obviously there I have it to the left and ie is leaving space for it I know file paths are correct please please help me with any ideas you have Katelime (talk) 17:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding to page called "World Egg"

Too technically complicated for me to add online, but want to suggest adding to "World Egg" article, from Martha Warren Beckwith's "The Kumulipo, A Hawaiian Creation Chant," (University of Hawaii Press, Honolulu, HI 1972 (University of Chicago Press, 1951)) the following passage re: Tahitian creation chant, recorded by John Orsmond in 1822, and edited by his daughter, Teuira Henry for the Bishop Museum. . . "Ta'aroa was the ancestor of all the gods; he made everything. . . .He was his own parent, having no father or mother. . . .Ta'aroa sat in his shell (pa'a) in darkness (te po) for millions of ages. . . .The shell was like an egg revolving in endless space, with no sky, no land, no sea, no moon, no sun, no stars. All was darkness, it was continuous thick darkness. . . .But at last Ta'aroa gave his shell a filip which caused a crack resembling an opening for ants. Then he slipped out and stood upon his shell. . .he took his new shell for the great foundation of the world, for stratum rock and for soil for the world. And the shell. . .that he opened first, became his house, the dome of the god's sky, which was a confined sky enclosing the world then forming. . . ." Hope this is helpful, ses —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.159.56.202 (talk) 17:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Inaccuracy about Couples for Christ (CFC) founder

I am writing this letter to clarify about a misrepresentation about a Christian Catholic Movement called Couples for Christ. May I suggest that please get the facts straight because there is a legal ramification about regarding the truth about the founder of Couples for Christ. I believe the information you received about the Couples for Christ is from certain group that have something against the real founder Mr. Frank Padilla.

Please look at this seriously since there are legal actions pending worldwide  against the group.

Thank you

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