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Hummus

Gwen, I don't understand you. I thought we agreed on the Hummus Talk page that we were looking for better-sourced material to replace the random Web pages we were relying on. And when I find such material, and incorporate it, replacing the speculation, you not only restore the lightweight stuff (including the pure fantasy of ancient Egyptian hummus), but remove the sourced material. You also restore the material that belongs in the chick pea article. What's that all about??? --Macrakis (talk) 01:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I've responded on the article talk page. Meanwhile you have reverted the article after I asked you to discuss major changes to the article on the talk page first. Please revert the article back to its previous state so that we can discuss your source and your interpretations of it, thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I did not revert the article. You were the one who reverted my entire edit. What I did was merge the new material into the old stuff (which I still consider rubbish), as a courtesy during the discussion. --Macrakis (talk) 03:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

PS And I did soften the statement about 18th c Damascus in response to your critique. --Macrakis (talk) 03:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw that, it helps, but I don't think a single source will do for such a sweeping assertion. Meanwhile... rubbish? You call endless food sources rubbish whilst spanning a single source to make the leaping assertion that hummus has existed for less than 300 years? Let's carry on talking about this on the talk page, please, where other editors can have their say too. Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I call a handful of poor food sources rubbish. Continuation on Talk page. --Macrakis (talk) 12:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

We have a sourcing disagreement. This happens. Have you looked at Misplaced Pages's policiy on verifiability? Gwen Gale (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Thnx for uploading my picture, i wonder, can i remove the picture of hummus with pine nuts, it really doesnt look like any hummus i have seen and is misleading--Beyrouthhh (talk) 20:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Meanwhile I've seen hummus with pine nuts, so I see no need to rm that one. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I have ofcourse seen hummus with pinenuts aswell, but the dish itself, the paste doesnt look like hummus at all on that picture. But well well..--Beyrouthhh (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

It's hummus :) You know though, this only shows how many variations in preparation there are with this food. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone is removing the picture i added which i believe is much better than the previous one. Im lebanese and my picture is exactly how lebanese hummus is served, that guy is american i think--Beyrouthhh (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Both images are now in the article. I don't think either is "better" than the other, both have fit contrast, colour, focus and cropping. Moreover, though with all due respect to your good faith opinion, your assertion that the photo you advocate "is exactly how lebanese hummus is served" is original research. I hope this settles it... cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 11:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to take the liberty of soliciting your opinion

I've recently commented (I thought mildly) at this thread on photography at meetups. You may not choose to get involved, but as someone who has experienced the first-hand discomfort of possible unwelcome personal contact, I'm wondering if you have useful insight. No hard feelings if you choose not. BusterD (talk) 04:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Truth be told I was kinda happy to hear from you :) If you're worried about a snap of you slipping into the wild, don't go, because it will likely happen (either ten hours or ten years after the shutter winks). In the end it's you who must take heed and do what's needed here so you might want to think about which you want more, meeting and socializing with these friendly, wonderful, camera wielding folks (sounds cool to me!), or not being snapped. I mean, I think you already know it comes down to this kind of a hard core take. Understandably, you're looking for a way to skirt this but there's no way anyone can (and still have fun and make friends at the meetup, anyway). :/ Gwen Gale (talk) 12:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your view. In this post to User:Pharos, I believe I outlined my concern, which is not so much about myself as it is about meetup sustainability. I'm thinking that when you and I are are the old-time mop-holders around here, say six months from now, we'll look back on the years in which the world become an entirely public place (the last few). I don't have any skeletons in my closet, but I have seen the vitriol of online hate (and its real-world corollaries). I'm not going to risk my children or my friends or my employer or my pets until I choose to do so. BusterD (talk) 13:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Along that line, my thoughts on privacy both online and off have slowly but wholly swayed since I made my first wide-eyed posts to the Usenet with my legal and true name when I was in college. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

While I've got your eyes, I see we have old movies in common as interests (though I rarely edit in that space). How would you like to double-team a worthy movie stub and build it to B-class some predetermined afternoon or evening. I could use the exercise outside my normal editing cluster. I'd buy popcorn. BusterD (talk) 13:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok! What's the wlink? Gwen Gale (talk) 13:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Why don't we shop for one. So many good movies; so few Featured Articles. Today's bad for me, but let's get back to each other in a day or two with ideas. We can spend a week or so gathering sources (maybe just putting the cites on the stub), and then kinda cram. Sound fun? I'm into pre-code right now, thanks to TCM. I'd love to see "Judge Priest" get attention. Will Rogers, Hattie McDaniel and Stepin Fetchit. Ever seen it? Barbara Stanwyck's a fave, and there's a new broadway musical based on "The Catered Affair." What movies do you just love? BusterD (talk) 13:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of Stanwyck, I recently downloaded The Strange Love of Martha Ivers from the Internet Archive, mostly for Lizabeth Scott though (Blake Edwards has an uncredited bit part). Truth be told my film tastes are so picky. Noir I can almost always like something about, especially if it was shot on location in LA, even more so in the late 1940s or early 1950s. I also like Hitchcock (Vertigo!), Kubrick (anything he did), lots of Lynch, some Fellini, Antonioni (L'Avventura may be my "trapped on a desert island with only one thing to watch" film). I have movies like Mulholland Drive, Pulp Fiction and DOA on hard drive (yep, legally) so I can watch them like, whenever! I'm mostly bored to tears by war movies or action and adventure but I like the first Star Wars, Blade Runner, 2001, Terminator. Oh and the English Patient, where my interests in archaeology, the desert, airplanes (when flying was cool), Kristin Scott Thomas, the 1940s and a fit, tear jerking soap opera all come together haha! Gwen Gale (talk) 14:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

We went to all the Pink Panther sequels at the theater. Ditto Kubrick and Mel Brooks movies. Big fan of John Patrick Shanley. Would be an awesome (and perhaps unavoidable, given the political situ in the US) task to build Frankenheimer's Manchurian Candidate up to FA. Skidoo (film) would be fun. Likewise The Comic or Cold Turkey (film). Jackie Gleason's best work, Gigot (film), could do with some coverage. BusterD (talk) 14:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, Gleason was an interesting man. Most of the Americans I know are aware of him mostly through that comedy TV thing he did. We may have one though... I have the DVD of the Manchurian Candidate, can navigate reliable sources about the Sinatras with much ease and can also suggest Suddenly, which for me has the added appeal of having been shot in a small town in California during the 1950s. 14:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I remember seeing Suddenly once and remember how powerful it was. Cool to see Sinatra takin' it to the streets. BusterD (talk) 15:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Sterling Hadyn hated acting and for me, it comes across on screen as him being forever nettled by something... always seems to work though. Asphalt Jungle. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hayden is so interesting to watch. The Killing, could be possibility, but I don't remember seeing it. I didn't know he hated acting, but I can sense the disdain. BusterD (talk) 15:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been told the camera loved his face and mannerisms, he did it for the easy money and the lifestyle. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I should add that while I watchlisted your talk page (beginning when and for reasons which are clear), I continue to enjoy watching your talk because of the wonderfully comic edit summaries. I can't find it now, but at one point I read something like, "your immediate attention needed on hummos". I find it amazing that Middle Eastern food articles are so controversial, but take great joy in watching the good humor you and others employ keeping it real, so to speak. Any, my talk door is always open. And you've been very good lately, so it's almost time for you to seek the mop. I promise to be less dickish than last time. BusterD (talk) 13:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hummus! Argh. Such fuss over mashed chickpeas. As for the mop, erm, wink :) Gwen Gale (talk) 14:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Movies for discussion

Here are a list of possibles. Some are more than stubs.

• The Raid (film) IMDB
• The Bridge on the River Kwai
• Breakfast at Tiffany's
• The Black Shield of Falworth
• Now, Voyager
• Ladies They Talk About
• The Divorcee
• Kisses for My President (film)

Please add and or discuss. BusterD (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I glark we'll find something! I know The Bridge on the River Kwai and I must say, though I like the casting and some of the dialogue ("Madness! Madness!" comes to mind), the overall outlook is far too cleaned up and misleading for me. A true portayal of the Burma railroad thing would look more like an un-ending Texas Chainsaw Massacre, talk about culture clash. I haven't seen any of the others! Gwen Gale (talk) 14:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You've never seen Breakfast at Tiffany's? You poor, culturally impoverished thing. Pick a day you want to see the world differently, rent the dvd, setup a box of tissues, and prepare to have your heart stolen. Few films deserve an awesome article more than does BaT's. What I like about Kwai is that it's not about war so much (almost no combat scenes), it's actually about human motivation and capability, what causes people to choose what they do and the legacy they leave behind. BusterD (talk) 14:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Kwai does have its redeeming side, yes, but the historical misses chavel it for me. As for Breakfast at Tiffany's, I know, I know. It drives me bats I've never seen it. Whenever I've looked for that one, I couldn't find it. I was in a huge DVD store the other day (I'd ordered The High and the Mighty, one of my nan's favourite movies, I like it too... flying, character development, the Pacific and so on and the restoration is stunning, though I think the extras on the disc are rather botched) and could have looked. Meanwhile, I forgot to mention my holy grail of DVDs: The Kremlin Letter. Most amazing and true spy flick ever done, makes Bond look like a canny punter (though I like From Russia with Love). Gwen Gale (talk) 15:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Ooooooh! Never seen it. Looks groovy. Love the cast and crew. Must have been a legendary film shoot with all those egos pressed together. Also a Duke fan, Jim Hutton too. BusterD (talk) 15:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

My dad had it on a dodgy VHS tape when I was growing up, I must have watched it 20, 30 times, never got over it :) Alas, the tape died and got pitched donkeys' years ago and I've never been able to find a DVD of it. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I live in NYC, so I might be able to find one. I'll look. BusterD (talk) 15:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

If you can remember to keep an eye open, cool! I've heard rumours there was a small DVD run in PAL but the thing is, it may have been bootleg, dunno. Huston was very unhappy when the film bombed (much like what happened to Hitch and Vertigo) and who can blame him? No way it can even get a critical revival unless there are copies for reviewers to see (and so on). Gwen Gale (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh and speaking of Hepburn, Charade! Gwen Gale (talk) 15:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

A more controversial newer film might be Executive Decision, a guilty pleasure of mine because of the excellent cast. I remember when Steven Segal's hero character was sucked out of the plane, the opening night movie audience cheered. And then there's all the "nobody could have imagined" stuff associated. BusterD (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Haven't seen it, though the notion of any character played by Steven Segal being sucked through a plane window at high altitude sounds meed to me haha! Saw Bobby (film) last night. A bit politically overblown in bits but more or less spot on in other ways. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks like we may have overlapping interests with Manchurian Candidate and Suddenly but those are indeed rather mossy and there must be others. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I've got some stuff to do but feel free to keep up the suggestions. The Manchurian Candidate might make a nice Featured topic, if all three articles followed a similar structure. Might be a valuable addition to the pedia, especially since Ann Coulter uncorked that bottle in American popular culture last week. BusterD (talk) 16:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha I hadn't seen that until I youtubed it a few minutes ago! Maybe MC would be a worthy task then, after all. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok, I must say she was clearly talking about the 2004 remake, The Manchurian Candidate (2004 film). Gwen Gale (talk) 17:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to this discussion I watched The Asphalt Jungle again last night. Enjoyed it immensely once again. Perhaps it was my effervescent mood; I'd returned home after watching a Queens high school production of High School Musical. I haven't laughed so hard in a while; the kids were, as always, adorable in their youth and hopefulness. I had come expecting something altogether different, something like the movie. What I got was more like what we experienced with Godspell in the 70's, a more personal musical which had resonance because of the unavoidable ties to popular culture and the context of the actual high school and social culture hosting the production. Sorry for rambling into chat. I had fun, a healing feeling. And the movie was good too. BusterD (talk) 13:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The Manchurian Candidate it is then, starting with the Frankenheimer version. This will take some work. Why don't we dredge up sources this week, and start attaching them to the talk page (or the main page if they're definitely going in). We can read each other's sources during the week, and pick out a specific time window we'll commence the cleanup, perhaps stir some interest in page talk, set an outline we think might work for all three articles, and then see how fast we can accomplish B-quality with each. Once we've established a framework, we can build the B-class articles up together into a featured topic grouping. Any part of that sound fun? Might take all year, in drips and drabs; the serious work wouldn't take but a week or so. BusterD (talk) 13:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok! Let's do it as time allows, though I have time for bits of editing here and there throughout the day, real life is tuggin' at me for now :) Gwen Gale (talk) 11:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Zero hurry for me as well. This week is crazy. Let's take our time building sources; we'll know when there's a critical mass. BusterD (talk) 12:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Four sources to look at straight off, to make starting easier, when there's time.

• findarticles.com
• sick-boy.com
• salon.com
• notcoming.com

Gwen Gale (talk) 12:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we should establish a subpage or sandbox for this collaboration, to keep the discussion in one place. BusterD (talk) 12:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Helpful notion, that :) Gwen Gale (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I've blanked a talk page I don't need anymore: User talk:BusterD/Gwen Gale. We can use that. BusterD (talk) 12:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha ok! What's so funny is, that film is loaded with Abraham Lincoln imagry, which I hadn't even remembered and yes, I went back through this thread cuz I couldn't remember who first brought it up, but so thankfully, you did lol! Gwen Gale (talk) 12:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm hoping you take it as a good-natured gesture of wiki-understanding, civility, and closure. Has ironic symmetry going for it too. BusterD (talk) 12:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh I do, spot on, which is why I cracked up :) First step for me is to watch the film again, which I haven't done since I don't know when. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Remember, when people start calling this effort related to US political season, shout: "I'm Swiss! That other guy's a New Yorker, and it was his idea anyway! (diff)" BusterD (talk) 13:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hello, thanks for the valulable info. I need to make an article about my business, but it seems to keep on getting deleted for "blatant advertising". I do not see it as advertising, just as ebay or paypal or any other companies listed as an article on[REDACTED] is not advertising and not getting deleted. Could you please tell me what is wrong with this article:

JD Legends

J.D. Legends and Strike Zone Lanes comprise a state-of-the-art award-winning Restaurant and Family Fun Center focused on providing smaller communities an entertainment option for the whole family. The environment is clean, vibrant and fun. J.D. Legends offers glow-in-the-dark bowling, with music and video projectors that come down above the lanes. There is a redemption arcade, a full-service restaurant and bar with many televisions. J.D. Legends also has karaoke, live entertainment, a patio/deck. There location in Ohio has three sand volleyball courts with a tiki bar and has hosted many National Music Acts. J.D. Legends and Strike Zone Lanes are where food and family fun come together under one roof.

History

Beginnings

In 1997 brothers Eli and Wasfi Samaan agreed to keep open a failed bowling center at the request of a local bank in Jessamine County, Kentucky. At the time, none of them even knew how to keep a bowling score. After a few months of operating the facility, they fell in love with this new source of entertainment. Wasfi and Eli also realized that something was missing in this small town--namely, a casual dining restaurant, sports bar and family entertainment center. They remodeled the facility to add a full-service restaurant, sports bar and family entertainment center called J.D. Legends and Strike Zone Lanes. Their goal was to give smaller towns a place where customers can enjoy a great meal, beverages and entertainment under one roof.

The Samaans have created a fun, clean and vibrant facility that everyone can enjoy. The finished product has been a success with Jessamine County residents in Kentucky. In 2003, the same approach was applied to a very similar area in Franklin, Ohio and coming soon to Lebanon, Ohio in summer of 2008.

Present

Recognition

J.D. Legends and Strike Zone Lanes have received national and international recognition in the bowling industry, especially for best practices for food and beverage in a bowling center in 2001 for the Kentucky location and in 2004 for the Ohio location. They also have won business of the year by each respective local Chamber of Commerce.

Thanks,

Mike Mikequrto (talk) 02:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing your question here. First, I like bowling! I first bowled in the states and there's a modern bowling centre in the European city where I live!

Ebay and Paypal are highly notable companies which represent encyclopedic topics. Unhappily, J.D. Legends and Strike Zone Lanes do not meet Misplaced Pages's notability standards for businesses and companies. There is no way I can see that an article about this business would get through both the speedy deletion and articles for deletion processes. This wholly aside, even if this were an encyclopedic topic, the copy you have written (above) is not sourced encyclopedic content, but advertising. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a business directory or free advertising site. Sorry about this, but there is very likely nothing you can do to get an article like this onto Misplaced Pages. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The Stanley Theatre

Actually, I live just down the street from it (well, about a dozen blocks). The dear old Stanley -- I think the first film I ever went to there was "The Exorcist" in its first run, which rather dates me; it used to run "blockbuster" films. These days, it's used for stage productions of fairly large-scale musicals and the like; if they have to drop a helicopter (Miss Saigon) or a chandelier (Phantom), the Stanley is where they seem to do it. I haven't been there in quite a while. Is there something I can help you with, in respect to it? I'm actually going to a Vancouver meet-up on Monday night so if I can't give you what you require, someone will probably be just as happy to help as I would be. Accounting4Taste:talk 03:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Cool! Helpful to hear the Exorcist indeed played there (it's in the article)! So it's been used in film shoots? I can look for sources on that. Anything you might pick up could point myself and the other editors working on it to citations. Anything about the current management and the theatre's current place in the community would also be interesting to hear. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 05:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about film shoots -- although nearly everything in Vancouver has been used in one film shoot or another. The references I made were to musical plays of which I was aware. I'll see if I can find you an expert at the meet-up on Monday (my own tastes are for film over live theatre). Accounting4Taste:talk 15:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Mine as well (film over live theatre) but I have a thing for old showbiz buildings, something about my overlapping interests. The reason I got into this article was that someone posted to ANI about an IP deleting all the financial information about the place, which made me want to look closer. Let me know if you hear anything helpful and thanks again! Gwen Gale (talk) 16:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

And you know about Carlisle and Franklin Ohio how?

I'm more familiar with the region than you. How about you stop stalking me? I'd appreciate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvey1976 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Your fifth edit was vandalism and your edit summaries are unhelpful, hence I worry about any unsourced edit you might make. By the way, your assertion of familiarty with the region is original research and not an acceptable source. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)