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Panathinaikos FC

Well can you please make it clear to the user Karagounis that wiki is about facts and not personal preferences.He keeps reverting the article in order not to include Nikopolidis and Konstantinou in the notable past players only because of his sentiment towards them when they moved to Olympiakos team a couple of years ago.

They keep adding also a 1911 championship when the Greek FA was established in mid-20ies and noone recognized the title.I don't really want to be involved in a constant revert war to state the obvious.Maybe you can explain him.Eagle of Pontus

• OK understood.To tell you the truth i didn't know that there was actually a 3 times revert rule,as i am thinking it, it makes sense.Thanks for the advice. Eagle of Pontus

Ante Pavelic

Please, do not contribute to the edit war here. You are an administrator - aren't you??? I verified the context and saw it well-referenced and accurate.

Hi There

I have wanted to smile at you for a long time

Why Wiki Why (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Kosovo Intro

Please add your suggested changes and post results @ http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Kosovo&action=edit&section=29

You are not fair at all

You banned the Greeks,because they think it is not fair,to use the term Republic of Macedonia,cause is not recognized from the united nations...You use fascists methods to spread F.Y.R.O.M S PROPAGANDA ON INTERNET....i will find the way to report you to other administrators...behaviours like yours are a shame for wikipedia,you are insulting all of us....This country has the name F.Y.R.O.M.official name not Macedonia or Republic of Macedonia...so be wise and change the name yourself..your actions are offensive and are giving power to hate and racism...i hope you will understand finally..

A Tale of Two Cities

Hello,

You edited the A Tale of Two Cities Misplaced Pages entry in March by revealing the ending of the book in the first paragraph of the introduction of the entry, where no spoilers are meant to appear. I was casually reading only the introduction entry, taking care not to read any further, 3/4 of the way through the book, when the ending was ruined for me by you. I would have preferred that you had left the intentional mistake there, inaccurate though it was. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

Josh Burkart Davis, CA, US

Unnecessary Comment

Man, what is your problem? All I did was leave a comment on a discussion page providing information about something that is inaccessible to most users, and your response is to go and leave a jerky comment on my talk page.

Advice

I advice you regarding violation of user:DIREKTOR for this restriction. Always DIREKTOR persists in several edit wars pushing his POV statements. Articles involved:

• Republic of Ragusa
• Albania Veneta
• Dalmatian Italians‎
• Josip Broz Tito
• Foibe massacres‎
• Istrian exodus‎
• many others.

You can control history of these articles for evidence! Regards and best wishes. Nemo, 1 May 2008

The block of User:כתר

I know you said you didn't want to be involved further, but the review at User talk:כתר has moved on a bit, and I wanted to let you know that the attacks on you have been discussed and that the user has acknowledged he was less than polite, and has apologised here. Actually, I now see you have responded there in response to Fayssal's e-mail and my later comment about that. Given the inconclusive nature of the further CU investigations, the user's apology, and that the user does discuss things constructively, do you think you could ask Moreschi to unblock? Remaining concerns about sockpuppetry should be raised separately in a new case. Overall, I feel a second chance is warranted here, but I think an unblock request from you would be better than me approaching Moreschi directly. Carcharoth (talk) 09:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want him unblocked, I suggest you unblock him and not ask others to take that responsibility from you. You are well within your rights to do so, having discussed and consulted with the blocking admin exensively. So now do what you must, but don't expect me to give any extra endorsement to that. In fact, nothing in the world will convince me that this is a legitimate user, but that's just my opinion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

When I cross the line between commenting on a case and advocating, I consider myself too involved to unblock. I also don't unblock without asking the blocking admin again, as they should have the chance to re-review the case. This makes things a lot slower, but ultimately I think it is better to do things this way. I accept and respect your stance, and I will go and talk to Moreschi directly. Carcharoth (talk) 09:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

splitting- Slavic dialects of Greece

Hi, would it be alright if i was to split the page Slavic dialects of Greece? or should their still be further discussion? It would make more sense if it were to be split?? Any comments?P m kocovski (talk) 00:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've already given my comments on the talk page; I'm personally not convinced a split is a good idea, and I don't see anybody else besides you advocating it. My personal impression is there's rather a consensus against the split. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Well alright for now but i will bring it up again but later.But the article needs serious work. I have worked on it so far but will continue to do so. Are my contributions alrite? P m kocovski (talk) 09:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I was just wondering would it be possible to post this image onto[REDACTED] here??? Or am i not able to. I just wanted to confirm. IF not would i be able to make a recreation to put onto this page - Geographical distribution of the Macedonian Language???

That map is copyrighted and replaceable, so no, you can't use it. A re-drawn map of your own citing that one as a source would be okay though. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright if that is ok i will create one. As per the discussion.P m kocovski (talk) 06:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Griko

Hello, I noticed that, in the wiki article, Griko is considered a descendant of Doric. From what I've read in the past, it's simply a Koine-descended variant (with perhaps some Doric influence and various archaisms; don't ask for details, I remember none), and funnily enough there seems to be a(n old) dispute about its classification in the talk page. Since you're a linguist, if I'm not mistaken, and just miiight know something about it, could you weigh on in this? What's the consensus? Thanks. 3rdAlcove (talk) 01:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

dablinks

User:Maktruth has again reverted us at Macedonian Canadians, in addition to Macedonian Australians and Macedonian Americans. Could you have a word with him? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:32, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

meatpuppetry

how does this : "...and because of you rather obviously being another CAMERA meatpuppet" Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Judadem"

reconcile with what what i stated 7 hours before??:

i state here that the members of any agenda driven group exposed should suffer the consequences even when other agenda driven groups escape exposure. that goes even if the pro palestinian/anti israeli group is never found. i also state that that is an existential flaw in the wiki model because the presumption of neutrality cannot be judged from within, an essential condition of wiki world. i do not believe in god thus i do not believe in perfect knowledge. Davidg (talk) 00:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents/Wikilobby_campaign

did you act in ignorance or were you caught up in 'group think'? Davidg (talk) 03:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

you were called upon to produce evidence by one Rlevse supporting your assertion of 'meatpuppetry'. will you be doing that soon or will you permit the ban to hold until for its full duration?Davidg (talk) 07:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian Latin alphabet

Hi Fut.Perf. ☼, not sure if you can help, but there is a little procedural/verification matter going on at the Macedonian Latin alphabet article, and BalkanFever suggested you might be a good person to turn to for ideas on how to handle it... The relevant section is → here... Cheers, AWN2 (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Abusive language - inflammator strikes again

Hi, Future.
The inflammator strikes again.
I wrote you about this unregistered user once .
He repeated his behaviour, please see my message to admin Steel359 and (longer ones, with compromizing sections and diffs) and much much shorter message, .
In short, inflammator again directly calls other users as "mentally unstable persons" , "defective brain" , "unnatural, fake creation" (calling someones ethnicity like that!).
This time, he acts through sockpuppets 24.86.127.209 (talk · contribs) (a new one, the insults are mostly from this one) and 24.86.110.10 (talk · contribs). Edit pattern is identical. Kubura (talk) 07:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

some Serb vs Croat fun

At Petar Brzica (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Rhun (talk · contribs) keeps inserting an "accuracy of the sources" section in the article. This is blatant OR and even looks like it should go on the talk page, not the article. It's also longer than the rest of the article, which, by the way, seems to have sourcing and/or POV problems on its own. Closely related to Srbosjek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and the problems over there. BalkanFever 01:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Bilingual Ancient Macedonia on livius.org (Roman history source)

Hi Future. I found one article on the Ancient Macedonian on livius.org. To be short they have promoted an idea of bilinigual Ancient Macedonians (because XMK has both Greek and non-Greek words, so they think it is XMK=unknown old Balkan language(not Slavic)+Greek). They have put a notion that it is hard to understand a bilingual state concept from national state view today. The Romans had a rather unbiased view toward the Ancient Macedonians because they conquered their kingdom. Maybe the Romans and livius.org are one good and objective source for Ancient Macedonia and the language. Feel free to write me on my talk page or on my email. (Toci (talk) 12:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC))

Socks

Since Noonien Soong is a sock, is it okay if I undo his edit on South Slavs, even though it would technically break 3RR? BalkanFever 13:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Lemme see. I guess better not, to be on the safe side. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Kobra85

I would really appreciatte your intervention before this escalates into an edit war. Correct me if Im wrong, but I have an impression that User:Kobra85 is not behaving in a very constructive manner. For a start please see: User talk:Kobra85#template and User talk:Kobra85#Reply ((history version).

There are several issues:

1. I've an impression, which may be false, that he tries to impose himself as a "admin" on the majority of Macedonian-related articles.
2. Also, when I try to communicate with him in a normal way, he often responds with a certain dose of cynicism and mild personal attacks. So I couldnt reach any concensus with him. Though I dont want to go into paranoical accusations, I must honestly admit that his unfriendly tone reminds me of one previously banned Bulgarian editor.
3. He also unilaterally removed some templates from many Macedonian music articles, without making proper replacements for all of them in advance, which I see as a vandalizm.
4. And one of the hottest issues is this already-discussed, but still unsolved problem: On Misplaced Pages, most of the English musicians are listed as born in England, while the UK is not mentioned at all. Examples: John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Mick Jagger, Robbie Williams etc. England is not an independent country but a sub-national entity of the UK, but nevertheless all of these artists are described on Misplaced Pages as English and not British. If thats so, I think that the ethnic Macedonians have every right to list their artists born during the ex-Yugoslav period as born in Socialist Republic of Macedonia, although it was a Yugoslav sub-national entity and not an independent country. When I tried to put that in Milcho Manchevski article, I was reverted by the user in question, who insists on keeping SFR Yugoslavia only without mentioning SR Macedonia. I assume, though I may be wrong, that there is a political motivation behind his move. Personaly, I dont have issues with Yugoslavia, oncontrary, Im sort of "specialized" in ex-YU music articles. But let me point out to: Mikhail Gorbachev and Alexander Lukashenko articles. Both of their infoboxes include the independent country the USSR but also the sub-national entities: the Russian SFSR and Byelorussian SSR respectively. Moreover, the Viktor Yushchenko article has only the Ukrainian SSR without the USSR. Thats why I insist that the ethnic Macedonan celebrities articles can have this too. There must be some standard for everyone, I fail to see why Macedonian celebrities should be discriminated. Thank you very much for your kind attention and intervention --Dzole (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Urgent: Some minutes ago user Kobra85 tried to remove our correspondence from his talk page (the one that I linked above), thats why here are the history versions: here and here. He also summarized that act of his as: I'm tired of listening to people bitching about not getting their way (sic!) 13:33, 7 May 2008 --Dzole (talk) 14:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

More examples of his rude behaviour: His Talk page edit summaries.
QUOTES:

• 16:02 6 May 2008 Kobra85 stop bringing this crap to my talk page
• 10:33 7 May 2008 Kobra85 you wish you contributed that much
• 16:07 15 April 2008 Kobra85 I need a break, idiots are annoying me

I think enough is enough and I thank you in advance again for your quick intervention--Dzole (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Additionaly, I reported him on the Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Kobra85--Dzole (talk) 15:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

And one more example of his explicit language on: User: Revizionist's Talk Page
QUOTE (verbatim)

• 15:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Signed as Köbra (same user as Kobra85): Don't be so bloody ignorant, I reverted the article three times to rid it of your god-forsaken bullshit. If I had reverted it a fourth time, which I have not, then I would have broken the "three-revert rule"... Christ Almighty! (end of quote)--Dzole (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

How typical, eh Future? That editors like this guy would come to you to complain. I reckon my statement about people bitching to admins isn't a fib after all. Köbra 16:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the complaint. Already several users complaint about Köbra85's behavior. You know that I tolerated him several times, but this time I complained too. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 13:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalizm on NOB of Macedonia

Future, if you see the history, you will notice that I did not brake the 3RR. I do not have problems with anyone. I just write informative articles. If some paragraph is POV, ok we will rewrite it, no problem, but please tell Kobra not to erase 80% of the article that is backed with references and photos. You know my history, you know that I behave civilly and have normal discussions. Please. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 14:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

You're kidding, of course

This is plain crazy. First you merge Macedonians (Greek) within Macedonia (Greece), then you say that ...the rationale for the pic doesn't apply? What on earth are you talking about? The headline perfectly highlights the strong regional identity of the Greek Macedonians, which is the subject of the article you merged. So, either {{main}} it out again, or back off. NikoSilver 21:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Niko, I'm not kidding. Fair use needs to be minimal. That usually means not more than one usage of an image, in one article. It's used in Macedonia naming dispute (where I wouldn't dispute it), but one article is enough. By the way, one could actually make a case that it's unnecessary there too, because it could easily be replaced by a simple quote. When K. said "I'm a Macedonian", this was the headline of several newspapers the next day. Has all the info, no image needed for illustration. Fair use policies. I know, life sucks. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Where did you get all that? NikoSilver 21:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Common fair use image debates all throughout the last year. The policy is to be as restrictive as absolutely possible. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

To update you on WP:NFC: The section on non-admissible uses explicitly lists "An image of a newspaper article or other publication that contains long legible sections of copyrighted text. If the text is important as a source or quotation, it should be worked into the article in text form with the article cited as a source." Also, WP:NFCC No. 3 specifies "minimal usage" and "minimal extent of usage", and example of inadmissible use No 5 contains a (partly) analogous situation about an image being used in two articles at once; in our case, the problem is that it's used to make the same point in both articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Boy, your policy reading starts giving me the creeps; I had no idea. I suspect the particular image of Apogevmatini applies better to Macedonians (Greek) then (since it talks about their regional identity), and the summary can go in the Macedonia naming dispute, where we can include the 1,000,000 Greek mob of Thessaloniki (which applies better for the "dispute" rather than for their identity only). OK? (hehe, I can always upload another 10 front pages from all newspapers and put them everywhere!) NikoSilver 21:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, if you prefer it in that article, no problem with me. About the policy, it of course all comes with the MIT KYP admin training... Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Images

What tag should I put on images with possibly false PD-self tag? User:Makedonij has uploaded 5-6 such pics like these , and . They cannot possibly be made by him (the png one might have been edited by him though). --Laveol 22:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The correct procedure would probably be to list them at WP:PUI, but you could also try first talking to him and getting him to say where he got them from, then we can handle the rest the unbureaucratic way? Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, although he's not too willing to speak to me. Not in the old-fashioned civilized way, that is :) --Laveol 22:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Update, I found one . Interestingly it has a comment on the bottom - please, tell me the source - I need it for Misplaced Pages. I wonder who might've left it. I forgot the link to the image itself - --Laveol 22:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Hy,first of all all pictures are from my own albums,i have a lot of books,and pictures are in the book,i allso have a lot of freind who send me pictures!!! There is a link of Macedonians of Canada and it says this:The Historical Society's Resource Centre is Fully Accessible.!!! The other thing is how Bolgarians can judge or Greeks what is to be writeen about ethnic Macedonian!!! I belive that Humanwach organisations are desant sorce,more then Laveol!!!! You are administerator,you judge who is corect!!! I dont see any sorces on yours and his pictures! I wonder where you find them!!! I remember last year when this Laveol and some like him deleted everything i made about numbers and sorces in Macedonian nation,bu today they are here agin and nobody can deleted them!!! The truth will win!! If you thik pictures are fake please remove them!!But they will be put in agin soon whit all of information!!! And one thing,let see all the pictures in Bulgarian site,i wonder how they got thouse pictures!? Thanks Makedonij 11:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC) I draw it!!!!Since you don't belive me,i will contakt others administrators,and we shoud fid out about pictures on other sites!! And if i own a book,it is mine,i allredy pay for it!The whole thing inside of book is mine!!! Now let see other images!!! I draw that picture!!!OK And for all other i will get permision and they will be put back! Makedonij 11:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No,it is drawen!!take a good look!!!the otherone is taken whit phothograpf! Makedonij 12:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Well now let see the Bulagrian page? There are missing a lot of census data there,picture of St.Clemente??HM? There is not a single church in Bulgaria whi picture of st.Clemente!! How that he is amoung all of Bolgarian faces??? I will remove all info without census data! And image from web showing Macedonia on Bolgarian page??? They remove picture whic shows Macedonians in Greece,so way can there be a picture of Bolgars in Macedonia??

Regards Makedonij 12:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The other one is taken whit camera on a visit of Macedonians in Usa,where my KUD(cultural asociation) Ace Mircev from Radovish was there,we had a how do you say an acting of Macedonian dances and is taken whit photocamera in 2002! Makedonij 12:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Sory i'm not so good in english!What exaczly means that word "canvseing",i realy dont know what that means! Makedonij 13:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC) So look by your self:http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Ethnic_Macedonians On the dicussion page we have talk about simbol!There is three Macedonians votes on Vergina simbol,one Bolagrian voute for coat of arms.....I allready put two links,from Macedonian(ethnic) organisations and every were Macedonians are abord it is SUN OF KUTLESH(Verginia),which represents ethnic Macedonians!! So if you are neutral,you kan give your own koment,but i'm saying again,the article is about ethnic Macedonians not Republic of Macedonia!! Please help!? Makedonij 13:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

What answer??I give you answer!!Ask again i dont know which one? Take a look! It is not copyright licens on picture look the webpage!! Makedonij 14:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Notice

Hi FPS. Please have a look at this. Thanks. -- FayssalF - 22:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Question

FP hi. I want to insert a picture in the Elgin Marbles article but I don't have the faintest idea about copyright policies and the relevant procedure. The picture comes from a paper concerning the conservation of the marbles in the British Museum. It was published in Conservation, Vol. 47, No. 3, (2002). Is there any way I can use it? Does it fall under fair use or is this completely unrelated?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 10:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Giorgos. I guess if it's something technical, like a microscopic closeup made with special instruments to make some surface degradation effects visible, or stuff like that, you could probably make a case for "fair use". I guess it's not something you could replace with an image you could make by simply walking into the museum and shooting a photograph, right? You'd need to put the {{Non-free fair use in}} template on, and add an explanation what you need it for, plus the usual info about source/copyright. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. The photo shows an array of the original iron tools scalpels and hooks along with the whetstone used for scraping and polishing the marbles's surface. Would that be OK? If yes could you direct me to any[REDACTED] page explaining the procedure in detail. If, on the other hand, the photo does not fall under fair use could I simply add an new neutral background to the picture or change the arrangement of the tools in the photo and then use it as a photo made by me but based on "this and this source"? I hope I don't sound silly but I really don't know the first thing about copyright--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Sounds okay to me. Better use the original image though; modifying it would not really make it yours either and might additionally open yet other cans of worms. I guess you should also take care content-wise that it's not used for "OR" or "POV-pushing" (i.e. to insinuate something to the lay reader that the source isn't actually saying) but I trust your good judgment on that. Just go to Special/Upload, let the system guide you through the process and then put those things on the description page - template, copyright and source info, and a brief description of why you need it. I'll have a look later and make sure the technicalities are okay. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. I think I never indulge in OR (at least not so far) and the image will be used the same way it appears in the journal: as an illustration of British museum conservation techniques in the thirties. The article is by Andrew Oddy a well known conservation expert and I don't plan to put any words of my own in his mouth. At any rate I will probably be asking for your advice at the end and if there are still any second thoughts I will just let it go. I simply can't stand dogfights--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Princesunta (talk · contribs)

whose behaviors and writing styles resembles User:Azukimonaka seems to need your attention for his unresolved matter on Talk:Kofun period.--Appletrees (talk) 12:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

And his personal attacks are unbearable as well--Appletrees ].--Appletrees (talk) 12:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I've tried to uninvolve in editing Japan related articles these days (I've been busy making geographical articles of Seoul), but his personal attacks and Azukimonaka-ish behaviors makes me report this. I appreciate your effort. Many thanks.--Appletrees (talk) 12:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

BANED

Are you serius??TWO MONTHS!!! That is not fair!!! Why,becouse i put two images from web site??? I will complain you know!! Please unbaned me,we will work this out!! But i realy don't understand why shoud i dont upload images from websites? Or is it the sun which you dont like to be used by ethnic MAcedonians??? Makedonij 15:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC) Man this is unfair,i wonder who let you use coat of arms of Macedonian state,or flag of Macedonian state,or have you got license of Macedonian musem in Ohrid?? How about pictures in other pages???? You are not fair! And go on block me!I apologise allready!! But sun of Kutlesh will shine every were where Macedonians lives!!! BAy Makedonij 15:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Not again!

I'll get right to the point: we've got banned User:PIO's IP trying to restart Dalmatian edit-wars in the Istrian exodus and Foibe massacres articles. I wonder if you'd consider semi-protecting them to swiftly close the matter again? --DIREKTOR 15:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Notorious POV warrior hasthis restriction. I am not PIO. Nemo, 9 May 2008

Help

How or where can i find pictures which are allready on WIKI??? Thanks Makedonij 18:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Beh-nam, again

ThePashtoon: I feel like I'm playing wack-a-mole, and losing. Can you take care of this? Carl.bunderson (talk) 17:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, I just checked my watchlist, and you beat me to my request by 7m. You're awesome! Carl.bunderson (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)