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Segunda Division 2007-08

Tom, if you could suggest any improvements for the article Segunda División 2007-08 please do so. Thanks! User:Qampunen 7:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

UEFA Cup

I have no idea how to use the talk page, so i think its here? but anyway i've linked it in the talk discussion page of the main uefa cup page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadiga09 (talk • contribs)

Statistics

While I think you're right about the freeflowing nature of football not requiring much statistical analysis, something like a magic number is far from a useless figure. It's simply an easy way to illustrate what needs to happen in order for one team to win a title, or qualify for Europe, etc. Also, I think you greatly underestimate the relevance of statistics to sports like baseball and cricket, where such a gigantic pool of data lends itself readily to averages that are quite useful. How would you like it if I said something along the lines of "All Europeans seem to be hopelessly obsessed with superstitions like form and your sports medicine is absolutely laughable." I mean seriously we here in the States literally roll on the ground laughing when people get injured and the "physio" runs out onto the pitch and sprays God knows what on the injury. You guys really don't know what you're doing when it comes to stuff like that, do you? See that wasn't very nice of me. :P Cheers. -- Grant.Alpaugh 17:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

They can though. Football is such a free flowing sport that traditional statistical analysis doesn't work well, but the new high tech stuff where they track how far guys move and every little thing is going to revolutionize (if it already hasn't) how the top level of the game is managed. Cricket matches are so long and batsmen get so many balls bowled to them that statistics provide a good idea of what a player is going to do. Obviously they can't predict how any given over will go, but you get an idea that certain guys are good for X ammount of runs and so on. Same thing with baseball. Statistics have been kept on baseball for literally like 150 years and .300 is pretty much the elite level batting average over any meaningful ammount of at bats and has been so since way back in the day, with .400 being like the absolute limit. While this doesn't predict how any given at bat will go. Baseball seasons are so long that you're just trying to get guys that can consistently perform on a good level, and these statistics provide a good benchmark because for the most part the game has remained unchanged for so long. A lot of that holds true for basketball and American football, too.

I actually think that the two issues (statistics and sports medicine) are related, because Americans like to break everything down into its constituent parts in order to understand each aspect of something so that we can maximize them all to achieve the best results. My experience has been that Western Europeans have a much more fluid attitude towards things, which is why Americans have better sports medicine, conditioning, and pure athletes, whereas Europeans seem to have better pure skill players (at least in football) than we do. Billy Beane who wrote a revolutionary book on baseball statistics called Moneyball is actually working with the San Jose Earthquakes to try to develop a better way to objectively analyze football and football players, like he did with baseball. Quite an interesting theory.

On the issue of form, my understanding (from watching, reading, and listening to a lot about football for an American) is that it's more than just if a guy is in a slump or not. It seems to be something that is inherently British about your sports culture, where everyone is either the greatest in the world, or absoultely terrible, with almost no room in between. That attitude has led to a lot of instability at all but the Arsenal's and Man United's, but it extends beyond football into Boxing, Cricket, Rugby Union, and a whole lot more. I think it causes you to be delusional about any flaws your teams might have when they are good, or overly critical to a fault when they are not. I dunno. I know this has been long and rambling, but I haven't been to sleep yet tonight and you got me going. Hope that helps. Cheers. -- Grant.Alpaugh 18:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the link to Billy Beane so that it goes to the right guy. You should really take a look at his article and the article about Moneyball to see what I'm talking about. -- Grant.Alpaugh 18:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey just thought you might find this article interesting, as it is written from the English football fan's point of view. Cheers. -- Grant.Alpaugh 14:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

RE:Template:Welsh Premier League seasons

Sorry if you were wondering what was going on. I had problems with the templates and had to rename one as two templates were just duplicating themselves. I have ameded this now and there is now two season sections. One is League of Wales and the other is Welsh Premier League. Onshore

Although the league changed in 2002? Also I didn't try to delete the League of Wales seasons as it was in use until 2002. I had to change League of Wales seasons to League of Wales seasons (1992-2002) because it was duplicating the information with Welsh Premier League seasons Onshore

Okay fair point. Well it's now says "League of Wales / Welsh Premier League" hope you have no objections to this? and we'll leave it at that Onshore

So what is going to happen when the Welsh Premier League is split into two divisions in a few seasons from now? Onshore P.S. I'll leave the navbox as it is because at this rate it would have just blown out as a fude or something

Also Thank You for sorting out the caregories, it was taking me ages trying to change it to League of Wales :-) Onshore

Transfers

Hi. I was just wondering why you deleted my list of the 2007/08 Premier League highest transfers.

Ok no problem

Ritchie Jones Man Utd

Why do you insist on vandalising Ritchie's page as all the details on there are factual. There is nothing on Wiki to state that his England appearances cannot be listed and other players have these listed on their pages. Also, ritchie has not been offered a contract at Man Utd which by default means he will be able to leave on a free transfer under the FA rules for a player that is under 23 years old. Joshuaharry (talk) 17:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

please stop vandalising this page - there is nothing to state that Ritchie's England appearances cannot be shown on wiki. if you are so concerned then i suggest that you amend every footballers record that shows their international youth appearances. this information is for many other people to see not just for your benefit and interest. 82.17.183.68 (talk) 19:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I fail to understand why you are so obsessed with deleting information from this page - it appears to be vindictive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.183.68 (talk) 19:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Champions League controversy

If it's not noticeable, then what was it doing in the article all these weeks? Kingjeff (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

UEFA Cup attendance

Is there anyway we can get an attendance figure for the info box? Also, can you recalculate the goals total? Kingjeff (talk) 20:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Inter-Wiki idea

I was wondering if you noticed my Inter-Wiki idea that I left on this season's and next season's article talk pages for UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup. Kingjeff (talk) 16:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wikinews

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FIFA World Cup 2006 Germany Commemorative Coins

Hi there, I think it is very valuable information, that several countries minted high value coins, commemorating these games. If they are not allowed in the "See Also" section, how a bout a new tiny section then? I am not planning to list all the coins since this will be too much, just one sample ... Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Just in case you are not following my answer in my page.

I do think they are, several countries minted different issues, some of them of really high value. The reason I put it in the "See also" is because they are exactly that: a "see also" reading. How about just the comment and no picture? BTW, I believe if I asked in your watch page, this conversation should stay here, but up to you. Just let me know where to continue it. Miguel.mateo (talk) 12:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Template Help?

Hey I was wondering if you could help me with something. I need to remove the round titles and the space they leave when you simply delete them, as well as the dreaded seed boxes we dealt with before from the Template:US Open Cup Bracket. I need to be able to grow the bracket as more teams are added to MLS, so this template is perfect except for the changes I mentioned. If you could give it a look I'd be most appreciative. -- Grant.Alpaugh 13:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, theoretically it will work as an 8 team bracket if you include all the teams. Right now there needs to be 7 teams in the bracket with a game in the slot for Round 1 teams 3 and 4 because that's how the bracket works out. The problem is that US Soccer keeps changing the qualifying format, so if next year they add another first round game when Seattle Sounders FC enters the league, I would like to keep using the template if that at all works. Anyway, so in addition to removing the top boxes and the seed boxes, if you could make it so that I don't have to have a team in Round 1 team 1 in order to make the template work I would be most appreciative. Hope that didn't confuse the fuck out of you. Thanks again for the help. -- Grant.Alpaugh 14:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

If you look at 2008 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup and 2008 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Qualifying (where I actually want to use the bracket) you'll see what I'm trying to accomplish. -- Grant.Alpaugh 14:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Russian League

Hey PeeJay, afraid I don't understand this edit. The Russian top division was known as Vysshaya Liga (wich means Top League in russian) until 1998, when it was renamed Vysshyj Divizion (Top Division). BanRay 15:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That's incorrect, I've even found the logo, here. I'll try to get someone to change it back if you don't mind. BanRay 15:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! BanRay 16:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur

so why can't the badge be used...when in the club season football infobox there is a section labelled "logo =" and the description being "{{{logo}}} — The club logo."?

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df=y

It simply means in the template {{birth date}} that the date becomes before month. In the Jason Gavin article, since all the dates become date then month, I simply added the df=y addition. Peanut4 (talk) 22:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

If people have a specific date style set, then it overrides anything in that template. Adding it simply ensures that otherwise the date style is consistent. You could also add mf=y. Peanut4 (talk) 22:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humour
		I hereby award you this barnstar for making me laugh when checking my watchlist, with your recent edit summary while reverting edits on the All Blacks article. 10:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Guinness Premiership move

I am not disputing the validity of the move. Could you just point me in the direction of the discussion or the directive that brought about the move. Many thanks.Londo06 09:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for the quick reply, as long as there are redirects it makes sense.Londo06 10:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Added a tiny bit at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rugby union to hopefully open up a discussion on the matter.Londo06 17:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sponsored name

Could you point me to the section that states that "sponsored names must not be used" (eg, for Magners League, Guinness Premiership etc). Surely naming these Celtic League (rugby union) and English Premiership (rugby union) is against WP:COMMONNAME? Cheers Nouse4aname (talk) 15:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Sorry, I hadn't seen the post above this one when I posted earlier. I don't think it is policy, with WP:COMMONNAME the only naming conventions that are really set in stone. I moved Heineken Cup back as it has never been known as anything else (well, except H Cup, but thats just the French), and is probably the only thing people will call it. Magners and Guinness Leagues may as well stay where they are now, and are probably referred to by both sponsored and non-sponsored names. Nouse4aname (talk) 16:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I agree. It was actually me that moved Magners League! I saw a comment on the talk page (Talk:Celtic_League_(rugby_union)#Move_to_Magners_League.3F), which was actually a year old, so figured I'd do it. But since the sponsorship will end next season, and 2 years ago it had none, both Magners and Celtic league are probably used equally. As for Guinness premiership, it changes every year (or so it seems), so the sponsored name is maybe used even less than just "premiership". As for Heineken cup, I think they have got themselves a nice little deal there, and are unlikely to let go, and I doubt anyone would know of it by any other name. Nouse4aname (talk) 17:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be best to see if there is an official policy out there, I know the leagues as the Magners League and the Guinness Premiership, and the Heineken Cup is set to that currently. Something worth bringing up in the community I reckon.Londo06 17:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see it from both sides, and would side with the current standings with the confirmation that this is the done thing. Basically just after a page that states "sponsor names should not be included in article page titles" or something to the effect.Londo06 17:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian National Championship I

Hi there!

I disagree with moving Hungarian National Championship I and Hungarian National Championship II from Nemzeti Bajnokság I and Nemzeti Bajnokság II. Just as we don't translate Újpest FC to Newpest, or Castelnuovo to Newcastle...

I think, both should remain in Hungarian, since this is the official name of the Championship, it can't be translated.

Some examples for the lack of translation:

• Ligue 1 - and not League 1
• La Liga - and not The League
• Allsvenskan - and not... I don't know what
• Macedonian Prva Liga - and not Macedonian First League
• Fußball-Bundesliga - and not Football-Federalleague
• Ekstraklasa - and not Firstdivision

In Hungary everyone knows the league by its official name: Nemzeti Bajnokság I (or NB I).

So if you don't have any concerns, I will remove the pages. --gabute (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

About Derby County 2007-08...

It has been confirmed that the Rams will have the worst all-time records in the Premiership with their "performance" all season long, and the edits that were made are NOT anti-whatever. Should they go on a rampage and score seven goals this Sunday (5/11) against Reading, that lowest goal scoring record will be avioded, but given their offence, it would be a miracle. And if you revert one more time, I will report you for vandalism, okay? NoseNuggets (talk) 1:27 AM US EDT May 8 2008

What "offence" did Derby commit? Crimes against good football maybe? :-) --Jameboy (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha, classic :-D – PeeJay 15:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Premier League updates

Hey, I am intrigued as to why there is some legal obligation to not publish premier league scores during the match? Surely as they are in the public domain, via various websites, there can be no control over who publishes them...just curious...? Nouse4aname (talk) 14:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I never. It's all about the money, hey...Nouse4aname (talk) 15:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I dread to think what the costs of the premier league are then if they have to charge to publish scores...maybe its more a case that they charge because they can rather than because they need to.Nouse4aname (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

3RR

come on..you are aware of the 3RR rule, you have been editing long enough. 5 reverts within a 24 hour period is a bit too much. behave please. Sennen goroshi (talk) 17:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

PJ, I am curious, are you going for the world record for reverts within a 24 hour period? I will be nice and give you enough time to self-revert, rather than making an instant 3RR report - however if there is no self-revert then I will make the report.

1. That is revert number seven?? or was it six? either way, it is certainly over 3. 2. My edit was grammatically correct, it is a British English collective noun.

either way, it might be a good idea to self-revert, save me the trouble of making a 3RR report, save you the trouble of getting blocked. Sennen goroshi (talk) 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.

I think it would be polite of me to inform you that I have made a 3RR report, concerning your conduct on the Man Utd article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:PeeJay2K3_reported_by_User:Sennen_goroshi_.28Result:_.29

Sennen goroshi (talk) 19:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Discretionary Plurals

http://en.wikipedia.org/English_plural#Discretionary_plurals

A number of words like army, company, crowd, fleet, government, majority, mess, number, pack, and party may refer either to a single entity or the members of the set that compose it. Thus, as H. W. Fowler describes, in British English they are "treated as singular or plural at discretion"; Fowler notes that occasionally a "delicate distinction" is made possible by discretionary plurals: "The Cabinet is divided is better, because in the order of thought a whole must precede division; and The Cabinet are agreed is better, because it takes two or more to agree." Also in British English, names of towns and countries take plural verbs when they refer to sports teams but singular verbs when they refer to the actual place: England are playing Germany tonight refers to a football game, but England is the most populous country of the United Kingdom refers to the country. In North American English, such words are invariably treated as singular.Sennen goroshi (talk) 19:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)