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Personal attacks and deletion of talk page postings

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I've been tolerating provocative rudeness by User:Ilkali at Talk:Gender of God for some time now. Mainly I've ignored it, and stuck to answering nit-picking challenges and Wikilawyering. Eventually, I worked out it was trolling of some kind and I shouldn't feed it. I gave notice of withdrawing from discussion and explained why.

Now, however, this user is actually insisting on removing a reply I have given as part of a very long standing discussion to another user, who is currently absent. I have given warnings and finally a 3RR warning. Personally, I'd rather the user just chooses to be more civil, and allow things that irk him to stand; but how can I continue interacting with another long standing editor on this page, if a third party deletes my replies? Or am I to understand I can edit talk pages as well as articles and delete comments I think are inappropriate?

It seems to me we need to be even more generous in what we allow in talk pages than we do in articles. Where would we be if people had the right to delete talk page posts they disagreed with? Does this user have the right to remove my comment here?

Sorry to trouble you, but I've spent a long time talking an important issue through with User:Andowney and we actually seem to be getting to the end of it at last. But now Ilkali has deleted my reply. :( Alastair Haines (talk) 15:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Unless I am missing something, you and perhaps User:Andyowney are misusing the talk page:

You are overlooking the point. I say: But what do we say at Wiki?. You say: That looks more like a sermon. What does? The second half of the last sentence. Were you to remove on such grounds, and then repeat that after objection. I would report you for uncivil and biased editing. Thanks for taking the trouble to follow the links, and for reading the disputed comment. If the last sentence is the only objection, I will count your voice as agreeing with retaining the post. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

"I've been tolerating provocative rudeness by User:Ilkali at Talk:Gender of God for some time now". Your first reply when I urged you not to use the talk page as a forum: "If you can't follow the discussion, feel free to stay out of it Ilkali". Do you consider that a civil response?

"Where would we be if people had the right to delete talk page posts they disagreed with?". Where would we be if people did not have the right to delete inappropriate talk page posts? This is not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. As has been confirmed here, you were misusing the talk page. WP:TALK explicitly authorises the removal of off-topic posts.

"how can I continue interacting with another long standing editor on this page, if a third party deletes my replies?". You can take it to his talk page, as I urged you from the beginning. What exactly is your problem with this recourse? Why are you refusing to even consider it? Ilkali (talk) 08:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Stalking and Harassment

What can I do to get user Mdsummermsw to stop following me around and trying to falsely attach me to other accounts, IPs, etc (see their talk page and the Michelle Rodriguez Discussion Archive page)? It's getting really old that this person reverts practically every edit I do, constantly makes accusations, and when I try to resolve the issue peacefully on their talk page, disemvowel my words, leaving only their own (again, see their talk page). They're behavior of psychotic research trying to prove some point that I am various others is disturbing and disruptive and I'm tired of it. At this point it's stalking, harassment, and slander. I just want to edit articles accurately, I don't want to be stalked and harassed 24/7 by someone who lives on Misplaced Pages every second of every day and makes it their goal to declare withchunts for no other reason than ego boosting or lack of anything better to do. I tell them to stop stalking and they respond by MORE stalking. It's insane, pathetic, and highly disruptive. Hope you can help. Thanks. LBear08 (talk) 19:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I have not yet looked into the allegations of harassment and false sockpuppetry accusations, but the disemvoweling is wholly inappropriate, such as in this edit. It is not acceptable to refactor other people's talk page comments, even on one's own user talk page (you may delete comments on your own talk page, but not edit them). I have warned the user about that.

Regarding the other allegations, do you have any diffs you could provide? --Jaysweet (talk) 19:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

LBear08 -- do you deny that you and User:L8ear08 are the same person? The allegations of sockpuppetry do indeed seem to be accurate, unless you believe you are using multiple accounts in a way that is within policy. Mdsummermsw has done nothing wrong by pointing out that these two accounts are almost certainly operated by the same person. --Jaysweet (talk) 19:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, it looks like Mdsummermsw's disemvoweling was in retaliation for the same repeated behavior on the part of LBear08. That does not make it okay, of course, but the deeper I dig, the more obvious it is that LBear08 is the problem here. The only thing Mdsummermsw did wrong was a single retaliatory disemvoweling edit, which she has since reverted. Mdsummermsw is pretty much in the clear here.

Now the question is, why is LBear08/L8ear08 engaging in sockpuppetry and filing bad faith Wikiquette alerts? --Jaysweet (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

First off, Yes! While L8ear08 seems similar to my name obviously and all of that, *I* personally have never signed in as that to the best of my recollection. Even if say I'd accidentally created two similar accounts and somehow don't remeber it, the problem is that the L8ear08 account makes edits to pages like "list of famous bisexuals" and Bjork, two topics of which I have no knowledge nor interest and especially would not be editing. So how can that be me? I don't know what's going on with the L8ear08 account (glitch? copycat?), but I am LBear08 not L8ear08. If I'd forgotten to sign in then one of those IPs could be mine, but the rest can't all be mine for goodness sakes and I'm tired of being hunted and having someone on my back (who is not an admin) 24/7. I just want to contribute to a few pages in peace as best I can. I just want this person to DROP IT and move on. Look back at how long ago that sock crap was posted and look at today's date and this user is STILL going on about it. At what point does it become deemable as harassment?

Second, no. My disemvowelmeant was in retaliation to THEIR constant doing so over the last several days (see their talk page and notice how they've been at it for awhile whereas my disemvowelment I JUST did today to prove the point of how obnoxious it is. That user is only in the clear when they stop harassing me. At what point will they stop with the accusations and stalking? LBear08 (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd also like to add, all of this began b/c of a previous disagreement we'd had. Awhile later I decided I wanted to go back to that discussion page and remove my own comments as I had no desire for petty argument to remain up like that. I never should have sunk to their bickering level. So I removed my own comments. This user then decides it's their right and priveledge to dictate what I can and can't remove that I myself contributed (to a talk page mind you, NOT the article which I know cannot be edited like that). I simply was trying to demonstrate maturity and obtain peace and the user wanted all disagreements to remain, all of their baseless accusations to remain, etc. for no valid reason. I've attempted peaceful resolution and suggested he/she delete their accusations and I my retaliated comments. However, they refuse...and for no reason whatsoever. I simply want resolution and then to be left alone by this user. LBear08 (talk) 19:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of "who started it" with the disemvoweling, it will no longer be tolerated, and that goes for both users. I hope that much is clear.

I find it extremely hard to believe that User:LBear08 edited Michelle Rodriguez for the months of March and May, and that User:L8ear08 edited the same article for the month of April, and that this is all just a coincidence. But in any case, the other account does not appear to have been used to evade a block or to cause disruption, so let's just put that issue aside for now.

I did a cursory glance at each of your contrib histories, and I do not see any evidence of stalking or harassment. Regarding your complaint about deleting the comments from Talk:Michelle Rodriguez, Mdsummermsw is technically correct on this one. It is okay to archive old conversations on talk pages, but except for abusive or off-topic comments, it is generally frowned upon to remove discussions altogether. Those conversations stand as a record of the discussion and can be helpful for other users who are contributing to the article, so that they know what has already been discussed, etc.

That said, if Mdsummermsw agreed to let you remove the comments in question from Talk:Michelle Rodriguez, would you consider the matter resolved? While deleting conversations from talk pages is generally frowned upon, it is not unheard of, and if that will solve this problem I think that would be acceptable (if Mdsummermsw agrees, of course). --Jaysweet (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course. No more disemvoweling from me, I find it obnoxious as heck so I'd never want to do it again anyway. As for the user issue, you can believe whatever you'd like, but I am telling you that I am NOT and never have been user L8ear08. I have no idea what that user is about or doing (copycatting for kicks?) but it has nothing to do with me. Now as for the discussion pages, I would love that to be the resolution...for us to remove our interactions (or at least my own), but up until now Mdsummermsw has been completely uncooperative on that front and continues on about it hence my feeling of being stalked and harassed. If they would agree, that would be great. LBear08 (talk) 20:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Again, I see no evidence of stalking or harassment, and from a strict policy standpoint, Mdsummermsw is correct about not removing the discussion from the talk page. However, if it will make all the involved parties happy, I see no problem with making an exception to the standard policy and removing the conversation in question from Talk:Michelle Rodriguez. I have contacted Mdsummermsw and we will see if she is amenable to this solution. --Jaysweet (talk) 20:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

At the moment, I'm considering it. While considering it, I have again reverted LBear08's edits to the archive. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic. Well? LBear08 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

At this point any further delay is intentional. I thought perhaps you simply hadn't been online and was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but in checking seems you were on for numerous hours just yesterday editing dozens of articles. As you have been every day since this resolution was suggested. So what is your response on the idea of use deleting the content on the archive talk page and achieving peaceful resolution by doing so? LBear08 (talk) 17:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Bedford

Please see the medcab case. Xavexgoem (from medcab) referred me here as he was unsure the issue fit within the scope of medcab. I have sought a third opinion and the advice of numerous users and this is my last recourse before RfC/U. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Broooooooce (talk) 03:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to add my support for this alert. Its clear that admin Bedford has been violating WP:NPA and WP:CIV. He as also thrown around allegations of vandalism and stalking. This is particularly disturbing and certainly warrants community attention. Bstone (talk) 03:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's see, you've attacked me on my talk page, lament lament lament on IvoShandor's talk page and continued vile and conspiracy against me at Ivo's and Ruhrfisch's page, even after Ivo had what could be called a temper tantrum. Then, you not just started being active at DYK after this broohaha, a place that I frequently maintain, but became highly active, and started critquing articles when you had no lue of the main rules. And over what? A practice I have engaged in since I've come to Misplaced Pages three years ago and nobody, repeat nobody, saw a big deal in, even through almost all my work regarding the War of Northern Aggression has been highly visible. Plus, just now you keep adding to a MedCab that has already been closed.--Bedford 05:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

My additions are placed on that page simply because that is what I have linked here. I had a photo featured on DYK before I ever met you and my decision to seek out new places to be active on here is hardly some sort of evidence to a conspiracy against you. Just because no one has suggested your use of the term was NPOV before does not make it untrue. I have not "attacked" you anywhere. I challenge you to find any instance where I have been less than civil with you.

Furthermore, before I made an error based on an unposted rule at DYK, I had put the OK stamp on other nominations you had made (secretly, I hoped that this would be taken as a gesture of good will). After my unintentional mistake, you said that I needed to learn to read, that I needed to go back to school, you insinuated that my intelligence wasn't of a caliber to make determinations as to the eligibility of DYK nominations, you've questioned my areas of knowledge, my pride in my heritage, you have applied sinister intentions to a plethora of my recent actions without basis, you have accused me of vandalism and even stalking. What gives you the right? What have I done to deserve this aside from ask you to explain your reasoning in the NPOV debate and make an honest mistake on the DYK page (which I apologized for even after being ridiculed for something I had no way of knowing in the first place)? Broooooooce (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I have been asked to weigh in here and am providing my opinion. I think Bedford and Broooooooce both make valuable contributions to the project and sincerely hope that this can be resolved amicably. In my opinion, the root of the matter is Bedford's steadfast insistence on linking to War of Northern Aggression in his many otherwise fine articles, especially on NRHP sites. As I wrote on Bedford's talk page, I feel this is wrong for several reasons, the most important of which is that it violates WP:NPOV, one of the five pillars of Misplaced Pages. Whatever Bedford wants to call the American Civil War on his user page and even on talk pages is his business, but in articles it should be the accepted neutral name. Since Bedford is also quite successful at getting his articles on DYK (for which I congratulate him), this means that these are not POV errors in obscure and seldom seen articles (like what I write ;-) ) but are in some of our most visible work (for the day of DYK anyway). The second most important reason I feel this is wrong is that the link to War of Northern Aggression is a redirect to Naming the American Civil War, not American Civil War (and it used to be a dab). I think not making mistakes on purpose is the zeroth pillar of Misplaced Pages, as the idea of not putting in wrong information and wrong links is so basic it is just assumed and not stated explicitly. Now I will say that there are certainly times when it is OK to use the term "War of Northern Aggression", but not as a general name for the American Civil War.

In Bedford's defense I will say that he does not revert when others change the term and link, but since he points out he has been doing this for three years, I do not think it is stalking when his new articles get a closer inspection by those aware of the issue. I also think he was wrong to remove the MedCab template when it explicitly says not to. He certainly does not seem to be assuming good faith, and his actions border on incivility.

Since he has read my talk page (and I his) he knows I will file an RfC if he contunues to use War of Northern Agression in articles as a name for the American Civil War. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, and that this is resolved amicably. I think all of the other matters Bedford mentions are extraneous and meant to divert attention from the real problem, his year-long POV pushing which has only recently been discovered. Ruhrfisch _><>° 21:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't care less if Bedford goes around Misplaced Pages accusing me and anyone else of whatever concspriacy he has dreamed up, my only concern was that the articles he writes (which are good) adhere to WP:NPOV. I can't help but wonder though, what does Harperly Hall have to do with this? Oh, that's right nothing.IvoShandor (talk) 05:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Steven Chayer article and user Cquan

My discussion with him over the article Steven Chayer has been kind and level-headed. He is condescending and rude and wants to be an Administrative Editor.

Drewhamilton (talk) 06:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can see, he has been neither condescending nor rude. He has been patient and helpful. Incidentally, it is customary to notify the person in question that he is the subject of a Wikiquette alert, as explained above under "Instructions for users posting alerts". Ilkali (talk) 11:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Please help me with this guy. He's mean and on a power trip and he knows it because I pointed out how mean-spirited and unessecary something he had on his user page was and he A) Deleted my comment in the Articles for Deletion discussion over an article I wrote "Steven Chayer" B) He edited his user page to removed the stuff on his user page I had pointed out as mean and needless. Drewhamilton (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

• I've informed the editor of the existence of this WQA. I don't see any evidence to suggest that there is a problem here. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikistalk

This is User:SportsMaster. I have a case of Wikistalk with GoHuskies9904. He has been editing article I have created almost exclusively. For a small portion of the list of articles he has done this to see the following. Homer E. Woodling , Robert F. Busbey , Weird U.S. , 2004 NBA All-Star Game , 1997 NBA All-Star Game , 1981 NBA All-Star Game , 1972 NBA All-Star Game , 1951 All-Star Game . Please note that he did not mark any other NBA All-Star games as stubs (presumably because I didn't create them). Here are more examples. Vixen (RV), Dodge Meadowbrook, Suzuki FZ50, Waterloo Hawks, Waterloo Hawks all-time roster, Moondog (mascot), Whammer (mascot), Robert E. Hawkins, Yahoo! Sports, Yahoo! Fantasy Sports, 2007-08 Drake Bulldogs men's basketball team, Maxwell Show. It seems to me he carries a beef with me since I reverted his incorrect edit on 02:48, February 27, 2008 about the 2007-08 Drake Bulldogs men's basketball team. Here is a listing of all of his edits Please also take not that this has gone on for months at a time.

--SportsMaster (talk) 20:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the tags on the NBA All-Star games, as it appears those were clearly made in bad faith. The other stub tags I looked at seemed appropriate. H

I noticed you have not actually asked him to stop following you around. I am about to do so now. Hopefully that will resolve the issue. --Jaysweet (talk) 20:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Jaysweet for your help. It is greatly appreciated.--SportsMaster (talk) 20:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

User:GoHuskies9904 is now tagging all of the All-Star game articles as stubs. I could see an argument either way, I mean, mostly they just present game lineups and not a lot of encyclopedic detail, so he has a point. I'm not going to edit war over it.

SportsMaster, here's the thing... well I am not sure if he's been following you around or not (I just asked him point blank, we'll see what he says), most or all of his edits appear to be legit. Are there any in particular you have a problem with? --Jaysweet (talk) 21:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I've added a stub tag to about all of the All-Star Game pages. 2002, 2006-present seem pretty good, but everything else has been tagged regardless of whether or not SportsMaster has had his hands in them. Nothing is done in bad faith, but when a user like SportsMaster has a history of just creating articles some of them are going to get tagged for improvement or deletion. Simple as that; most of them are good actually. -GoHuskies9904 (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

While that sounded like a good story, in truth if you look at your edits, the ONLY edits you have made have been on articles I have created. You have not edited anyone elses articles, except one in a very, very, blue moon. So if it was the case that you are trying to delete stubs, why not target others, there are PLENTY out there, other than my own articles to target exclusively as you have done. It is very annoying and very agrivating to have to log in and defend articles that I have written from deletion because you feel the need to nominate them on an almost daily basis. --SportsMaster (talk) 22:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No one is stalking you, you just create many articles which subjects you to more interaction. Again, Misplaced Pages is not just yours, I am willing to work with you if you are willing to work with me. I'm not the only user that has been concerned about how you work with others. Everytime someone gives suggestions for your pages you report them for stalking/harassing you. That is not cool! I also nominate things for discussion, I don't just delete your work. I always go by majority rules. And I'm not trying to delete your All-Star articles, I'm just tagging them for expansion in which they need. I've tagged all the ones that need work not just including yours. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 23:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You are wikistalking me, that is obvious in your contribution history. I also have never said, nor incinuated the articles were "mine", I do not appericate you falsing stating that. Every is a very strong word GoHuskies9904, I would be careful with the words you choose. Why have you not address my conerns about you nominating other articles for deletion. As of right not they have been exclusively ones I created.--SportsMaster (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

If they aren't "yours" why are you so worried about allowing for group discussion on some articles I deem as shady for Wiki standards. If enough people share your opinion in the discussions then I respect that. I don't report you every time you disagree with me. And Misplaced Pages:Other_stuff_exists is not an excuse for certain articles you may have ties to exist. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 02:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I have examined GoHuskies9904's contrib history in depth, and while it is false that he only edits/critiques articles that SportsMaster is involved in, the overlap is high enough to draw a little concern. I am still nto 100% convinced, though, because most of the overlap is in regards to basketball-related articles... I mean, is it possible that both users just really like basketball? (Not like their usernames suggest that or anything ;p )

The other thing that makes this tough is that GoHuskies9904's contribs are almost all legitimate. I mean, you can't really dispute that Vixen (RV) is stub, right? And SportsMaster, another thing to understand is that having your article tagged as a stub is not a bad thing... in fact, in many ways it is a good thing, because it may attract other users to come help and improve the article.

Now, the one thing I am really concerned with about GoHuskies9904's edits is the high percentage of failed AfD nominations. Everybody gets it wrong sometimes (I'd be lying if I said I didn't) but from what I saw it looked like something like 50% of the AfDs GoHuskies9904 started result in Keep. That is potentially creating a lot of extra work for people to go in and vet these articles that really had no problem to begin with -- and, whether the overlap with SportsMaster's articles is coincidental or intentional, I hope you can understand how it would be really annoying to him!

What I would suggest, GoHuskies9904, if you are willing, is for you to refrain from directly nominating articles created by SportsMaster for AfD. (I think GoHuskies9904's other edits, including tagging SportsMaster's articles as stubs, are mostly beyond reproach, so whether GH is following SM around or not, I have trouble seeing anything actionable) If you are really certain, you can always contact a 3rd party and see if they agree.

Would this solution be amenable to both parties? --Jaysweet (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that solution works for me. Thank you once again Jaysweet. --SportsMaster (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll propose this. If I come across another article of his that I deem worthy of an AfD I will message him to see if he can't improve the article. If he does that, I won't nominate the article. However, Master has a pattern of not working well with others (i.e. reverting edits without proper reason, deleting any warnings or constructive critism on his talkpage, etc). Every time he has an issue with someone disagreeing with him he reports them to an admin or whomever. I'm not the only user he has done this too. Nothing has ever come from his reports either. All of my edits are legit. If he can work with me whenever I come across one of his hands-on article I won't be so hasty. But if he keeps reporting me or others I will just nominate cause I know I can't work with this guy. I'm just asking he learn to work with others and realize sometimes people will disagree and that[REDACTED] is a group effort and just because you created an article it doesn't make it yours. Thanks! --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 15:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I do work well with others. You are one of the exceptions. You seemed to take offense to me reverting your edit here . Since you then preceded to disregard my comments I left on your talk page about the 2007-08 Drake Bulldogs men's basketball team article. The source you were using was a Seinfeld script, which HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DRAKE BULLDOGS BASKETBALL, which I explained in my above comment. Then you couldn’t seem to comprehend the comment I left you and wanted to get into an edit war over it. You also then left me this comment, which is TOTALLY uncivilized. You then wouldn’t leave the article alone until another person agreed with me. Then you proceeded to wait a few months (presumably thinking I wouldn't watch the page then (which I was)) and got into another edit war over it. . You were once again proved incorrect. Since you do started off by disregarding my comments I left on your talk page about the 2007-08 Drake Bulldogs men's basketball team article you seemed to want to get revenge by going through my edit history, and mainly my user page, which I have subsequently blanked for the very reasons and nominating numerous articles for deletion to annoy me and waste my time. Also once again Jaysweet he makes no mention of why he almost never contributes anything on his own, GoHuskies almost only nominates articles for deletion (stuff I have worked hard on and spent a great deal of time on). Without contributing anything on his own. Which he still has yet to address. You sir are the one who does not work well with others. After the afore mentioned totally uncivilized comment, I had good reason to not want to communicate with you at all. All this is taking an extreme amount of time and energy out of my day and is EXTREMLY frustrating. This has gone on for months and MUST CEASE. --SportsMaster (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Side question: Who are User:SportsMasterESPN and User:UWMSports?

As far as GoHuskies9904's perceived lack of positive contribs, well, I wish there were more work improving articles and less deletion nominations, but some of the cleanup work that has been done as a result is worthwhile.

GH, I would reiterate my proposal to you to just refrain from nominating SM's articles for AfD directly. On at least two occasions, the result of the AfD was Keep anyway. If you are really 100% certain, you can always contact a third party and ask them to nominate the article for AfD. I think this would make all of the involved parties happy, with only a very minimal impact on your ability to contribute to the encyclopedia. You can still nominate anybody else's article, and you can still suggest improvements to SM's articles. Any chance you would reconsider that proposal? --Jaysweet (talk) 15:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

SportsMasterESPN is SportsMaster's old username. He had to change it because an admin had a problem with it as an advertisement for ESPN. UWMSports is another user who has had issues with SportsMaster's work. One of the other users Master constantly reports.

And I would like to help improve some of these articles if my edits weren't reversed. Master does not work well with people! The only way my edits can stand or be considered is bringing in a third party. Again, I will refrain from nominating articles for deletion if Master agrees to work with me if I happen to come across one of his pages down the road. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 16:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

First off, stop changing the topic, it is not about UWMSports, secondly I had good reason to report him, and everything I did was valid. So find another reason. I am also sick and tired of you saying I do not work well with others. The afore mention Drake example is evidence you do not. So stop your complaining. --SportsMaster (talk) 17:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

SM, I asked about UWMSports because I noticed very similar conflicts involving that user. I'm just trying to understand the backstory here.

I guess I have to dig into this "The Drake is great" mess now. Man, can't that Seinfeld episode remain a happy memory for me? heh... --Jaysweet (talk) 17:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I was wrong on that, should have gone with a 3rd party, but initially UWMSports thought it should be there too. I just thought SportsMaster was being a pain there, but when UWM said it shouldn't stay there I backed off. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

SM -- Aside from the Woodling/Busbey AfDs, what other articles have you created that you feel GH has nominated for AfD in bad faith? --Jaysweet (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Waterloo Hawks all-time roster. I finally just gave up and merged it, even though all other NBA teams have an all-time roster page. It also is one thing if he nomtinated other pages for deletion, but he dosn't, only mine. Ones that were listed on my userpage.Some articles might have been stubs that he nominated, but the fact is that information was going to be added, and he was the only person who had a big enough problem with it to nominate it for deletion. --SportsMaster (talk) 19:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I've nominated articles that aren't "yours". Eskimo kissing, Arden Valley Road, etc. I find it funny how you say you never called these articles yours but you do every time you report someone. Go look at User talk:GoHuskies9904. Even UWM says you don't work well with people. I'm sorry for any comments you've deemed rude, but you do frustrate the heck out of me by not working with others. I will refrain from those comments in the future, but you need to work with people!!! --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Also note this --SportsMaster (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

SportsMaster: Speaking from a strictly WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF point of view, I find the disparity in attitudes quite disturbing here. Regardless of the overlap in edit histories, this conversation clearly shows GoHuskies trying to make peace and explain his actions in a calm and concise manner, and Jaysweet has mentioned that GH's edits appear largely legitimate - I assume he means in keeping with WP's content policies. As such, I think that your response to the situation very much assumes bad faith on GH's part - you're basically saying that GH's only purpose on Misplaced Pages as a whole is to harass you by tagging articles that you've created - something he denies and which anyone can verify by looking at GH's contribution history. This puts you in a shaky position - this WQA and the way you're handling it makes you come across as asserting ownership of article content, being a tendentious editor, and/or disrupting Misplaced Pages to prove a point. You do not appear to be willing to consider that GH's actions may be good-faith attempts to cut down on clutter and unencyclopedic content, nor do you appear willing to work cooperatively on improving the content. Yes, it is quite possible that he acted too swiftly and knee-jerked on the tagging, but that does not mean he is automatically Wikistalking you.

I would suggest stepping back, cooling off, and trying to see this situation from someone else's point of view. In my opinion, you're getting too worked up over this issue, and it's only going to cause more friction between yourself and other editors, potentially leading to further disruptions and blocks. Thanks. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Kiefer. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

User Finisklin: linkspamming

User Template:User3-small has added references or external links to at least 12 different articles (see diffs, below), all to content written by one Cormac Burke. He has done so seemingly without concern for whether this person is an notable authority on the relevant subject or whether the linked resource is appropriate to the article, leading me to believe he is engaging in linkspamming. I am not certain he understands that his actions are questionable, and I have opened discussions with him on his talk page, but it feels like continuing the discussion would sap more of my energy than I'd like to sacrifice. I'm hoping someone else can back me up on this.

Diffs: , , , , , , , , , , , , . Note that these comprise all but one of his article-space edits.

Ilkali (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I issued a final warning for spamming. If he was just adding the reference to the book, this might be tricky, but since he is also adding the website, and since he is adding the references in weird random places (like in the middle of the Category tags), this is a cut-and-dry case of spamming. If he does it again, he will be blocked and his website could be blacklisted. Thanks for the heads-up! --Jaysweet (talk) 15:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

User:HalfShadow

The user left a personal attack on the talk page of another blocked user. I left a friendly note on his talk page, which was promptly deleted without explanation. I'm fully aware that the contents of talk pages can be deleted as is the wish of the user, but sensing that he might get the message if a proper warning was left, I posted a uw-npa1 warning on his page. This, too, was promptly deleted. The user then threatened to report me for harassment. Any chance of an admin dropping him a line in relation to WP:CIVILITY? Thanks. --Schcambo 16:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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