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Armenian Archepiscopal staff

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Why?

Why? {{reflist}} is used almost everywhere I see. I'm increasing uniformity. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 07:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't understsand - what kind of a logical system lets us use either "References" or "Reflist", with no criteria as to when one or the other should be used? Wouldn't that cause endless revert wars between the two, with no way to tell which person is right? Can you tell me why "references" should be used instead of "reflist" on, say, Lou Ferrigno? Or, can you tell me why "reflist" should be used instead of "references"? It's a loop. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, why is "references" better than "reflist" in Ferrigno's case? There are more than 10 references. Am I a "tourist editor"? Is that bad? Should we all pick about 7 pages and only edit those pages, and not dare touch other Misplaced Pages pages because some editor may be "maintaining" them and will be very upset at "tourist editors" editing them? What if I really want Ferrigno's page to have a "reflist"? What makes me wrong on this count, and what would make me right? The fact that it's been that way since a "non-tourist editor" decided to adapt the page doesn't really support "references" over "reflist" or the vice versa. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 01:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea what makes "reflist" better, except that I was under the impression that the majority of articles used it. Although I slightly personally prefer "reflist", what I prefer even more than that is uniformity across all of Misplaced Pages, which is not an outlandish request. Template:Reflist states "when normal-sized font is more appropriate on an article, use instead". Well, when is the normal-sized font more appropriate? There has to be some kind of consensus on a clear system somewhere. I don't care what the specifics of that consensus would be or are, I'd abide by them either way. But without a clear guideline this whole thing doesn't make any sense. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 01:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Query

I need help renaming about 200 articles. Doing this by hand would take me all day.

Can your bot rename articles, or be adapted to do so?

If so, please contact me.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    22:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

That issue is at AN/I. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Feature Article Candidate Roman Catholic Church

The nomination of the above article was archived by the Featured Articles Director, with the comment that the page had again grown too long. He has asked that all remaining objectors produce a list of their specific problems with the article in its current form. These will then be addressed by the article's editorial team before re-presentation for FA status.
Can you therefore please post a complete list of any specific remaining objections you may have on the article's talk page at: Talk:Roman_Catholic_Church. If possible can we have this list in by the end of June, so that editors can begin to address them all in detail in July. To prevent the nomination again becoming over-long, we would ask that you raise ALL of your remaining concerns at this stage, making your comments as specific and comprehensive as possible. It would help if all your comments were gathered under your name in a single heading on the page. Thank you. Xandar (talk) 01:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Mainpage bolding bot

Gimme, the bot that bolds the mainpage entry at WP:FA is broken quite frequently; I've left a query about whether you might take that over. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Reflist again

WT:FAC#Reflist. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The pleasure of your company is also requested at Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article candidates#New references feature. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

GimmeBot and the Good Articles page

Depending on the consensus here, a small change to the bot might be warranted in the near future. What's your opinion of changing the dashes, by the way? Waltham, The Duke of 19:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Sean Combs

Hi Gimmetrow, I guess that'd be me adding the silly tags. I'm sorry if it annoys you and you're right that I should look for references first - but it's not really my field, I figure that the regular editors of the article would be more likely to have those sources at the tips of their fingers. I don't really like the role of {{fact}} tagger, but in this case it's a BLP, so the solutions do need to come swiftly. Some of the wording in the article is questionable and I've tried to improve some of it. Some other areas, I've asked for sources. I see you've done a lot of work on it just recently and thanks for that. I'll give it a rest for a little while, but of course you know it's a BLP, and will thus get extra scrutiny sooner or later. Regards! Franamax (talk) 04:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Beslan school hostage crisis

Just a note to let you know I have failed this article for GA. See the article's talk page for my review. Naerii 21:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Gimmetrow 21:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Multiple issues

Frustrated. Left a note here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

GimmeBot and new C-class

User_talk:Marskell#C-class_status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Mainpage

Raul just scheduled a slew of TFAs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thesis

Actually, I'm only done my master's - I still have years on the phd. But I do appreciate all the yeoman's work you do around here. Raul654 (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Tea & Sympathy

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Tea & Sympathy didn't get moved to archive; problem with the ampersand? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably. Gimmetrow 19:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Raul is out 'til the 8th. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just letting you know that I'm not going to pr/ar tonight, and generally, I'm going to stop tending to FAC 24/7 and promoting daily, on the principle of being "nagged to distraction". That Raul is a wise man; I think FAC can survive if I promote every two or three days :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ecclesiastical heraldry

I really was hoping for a citation for the bit about the crosier for bishops in the Church of Sweden. I thought it would be good info for the Ecclesiastical heraldry section of Swedish heraldry, but I just wanted to have a citation for it. It sounds like good info, I just want a source. Thanks! Wilhelm meis (talk) 20:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

That was from someone else who read books I didn't have. I think it was from Michael Francis McCarthy's books. Gimmetrow 23:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

FAR

Why don't we have a pre-load at FAR, similar to FAC, that includes the tools? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't someone like Gary King working on one? Gimmetrow 23:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
He did a screen that pops up with a blurb, but I mean a pre-load like the one at FAC that adds the article title link and the tools. I just nommed a FAR, and there's no pre-load. Unless I did something wrong? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the server lag. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Condoleezza Rice

I was wondering why you undid my edit (putting the references into three columns)? I notice that most good and featured articles with enough references (over a hundred) use three columns... Lady Galaxy 02:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought I linked the edit summary to the Template talk:Reflist. Anyway, I think you will find most featured articles do not use more than two columns. 02:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Really? For some reason all the good articles I looked at (Smallville and Ayumi Hamasaki for example) used three... Lady Galaxy 06:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ashley Tisdale and Triping

I seem to have gotten myself sucked into an edit war with Triping. What's your opinion? Should I stop backing her enormous thing out? Or do you feel that there is a general consensus that her changes are bad?
Kww (talk) 17:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Source bug

Is the doctor in? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Attributed Arms

Hi Gimmetrow. Re: Rolls of Arthurian arms (40 and 200). Could you tell which specific books illustrates these, and whether these arms have crests, names or any dates? Thanks. Stephen2nd (talk) 11:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten, but I don't have the book right now. Gimmetrow 04:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

I'm trying to fulfill a user's right to vanish and in doing so need to adopt two of his userboxen that are widely used. Can you look at my bot's completed trial ( Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Xenobot 2 ) and either approve the task or give me permission to run 155 more trial edits? –xenocidic (talk) 23:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. –xenocidic (talk) 23:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
lol, i miscounted so i started doing it manually under my name. there's still about 150 more. –xenocidic (talk) 00:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

New template

Gimme, where are we on User talk:SandyGeorgia#Requests archive? Raul hasn't disagreed, so ... should I archive that section? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot stall ?

Star added, but no articlehistory at Talk:The Shape of Things to Come (Lost)? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, an FYI on renames that are recently promoted at User talk:Rick Block#Double listing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Raul just scheduled a mainpage batch. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Good articles

I made this edit which changes the format of one of the sections on the page. I'm letting you know just in case you need to update your bot to take this change into account for future updates. Gary King (talk) 20:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair-use images

Please see the discussion at:

Re: Old Peer review

No I guess not. It's just easier to recall and type out template names with spaces, though, IMO. Gary King (talk) 18:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead Gary King (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:ArticleHistory

Hi, I saw you contributed quite a lot to the creation of the above mentioned template, and I would like you to help me undestand a few things, and how I can adapt it to the needs of a slightly different FA policy of another Misplaced Pages.

First tell me if i understood correctly: Template:Historyoutput is for producing the full name of the reviewing process, from given abbreviations, right?

On this other Misplaced Pages (the Romanian one), after a FAC, or FAR process, the page is immeditelly archived, and moved to Misplaced Pages:featured article candidates/ArticleName/Archive X, and the (now blank) Misplaced Pages:featured article candidates/ArticleName page is deleted. This is so that it would be easier for unexperienced users to create a new nomination, by using {{FAC}} template. This is done on WP:en too actually, but by bots.

Is there anyway to alter this code below, so that when I click on identified, I would be directed to the right page (Misplaced Pages:featured article candidates/ArticleName/Archive X, and not just Misplaced Pages:featured article candidates/ArticleName)? I though maybe this could be done either by creating a new parameter: currectstatuslink, but I don't know how to make the template use that instead of Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}.

Or simpler, it could be done by using actionXlink, where X is the number of the most current process that took place, which is extracted using the code below. But again, i don't know how to make the template use it. Please help me with this.

<td>]</td>
<td> '''{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}''' is a ]; it (or a previous version of it) has been '''''[[{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action15|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action15link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action14|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action14link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action13|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action13link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action12|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action12link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action11|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action11link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action10|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action10link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action9|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action9link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action8|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action8link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action7|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action7link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action6|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action6link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action5|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action5link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action4|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action4link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action3|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action3link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action2|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action2link}}} |
{{#ifeq: {{uc:{{{action1|}}}}} | FAC | {{{action1link}}} |Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }}|identified]]''''' as one of the best articles produced by the ]. Even so, if you can update or improve it, ].<includeonly>]</includeonly></td></tr>

Also, can you tell me where to find these, so that I could translate them. I have used + F for both {{ArticleHistory}}, and {{Historyoutput}}, and couldn't find them:

Historyoutput generates the lines under "Article milestones". The date format for those lines is there in the #time magic word. It's just a matter of changing January 22, 2025 to 22 January 2025 ({{#time:F j, Y| }} to {{#time:j F Y| }}). As for the "identified" link, it uses the last FAC actionlink, regardless of whether it has /archive or not. That's why the action numbers count backwards. Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}} is just a default. Gimmetrow 20:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

International Academy

Why did you revert International Academy? The citations were in the proper format. Calebrw (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

See WP:CITE#Citation templates. The article had no cite templates, and there was no need to add them, nor any need to add lang=English when the subject has clear ties to an English-speaking country. (While adding the cite templates one cite was made incorrect, too.) Finally, there was no need to add a bunch of empty fields to the infobox. Gimmetrow 20:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Charts

Hi. On most single articles I come across, the refs for charts are placed in the header, which I think it looks neater, or with the chart names. As for deleting charts without explanation, I'm sorry, I'll be clearer next time. Funk Junkie (talk) 19:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church

I'm not interested in edit war, but are you sure what you've done?

Hint: see footnote #366

Have a nice day. 219.79.166.153 (talk) 15:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Operation USA

I noticed that you edited Talk:Operation USA I am a bit confussed by the good article review process. I did an unoffical review of the article, but did not list it. The only other individual involved in the review is the own who wrote the majority of the article and is therefor not qualified to review it. User talk:72.87.146.61 edited the header without comment which is what you repaired but at the same time, it seems, changed the status; or did you mean to list the article? Would you be willing to review it and provide any feed back you might feel appropriate as related to my initial review? Thank you Dbiel 19:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, a coworker (I do not work for OPUSA) reviewed the page and process for GA qualification and felt it qualified and altered the discussion page. If it still does not qualify I will continue to work to make it acceptable. I wanted to clear up any questions and make it clear that I asked an individual to review the page and GA process and make an objective opinion based on the merits of the article. I am also not entirely clear on the process, however I have worked very hard to make this article detailed and accurate and want to follow all necessary procedures.Wattssw (talk) 05:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

removing date auto-formatting

Gimmetrow—thanks for your suggestion and offer. I've alerted Lightmouse to this. Tony (talk) 13:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I would be delighted if you could look at my monobook code and suggest changes. This could apply either to the addlink thing (I have never understood that part of the code) or switching dates into dmy or mdy. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Archive script

No, it's still done manually. I wouldn't know how to write a script for that sort of thing anyhow :) Gatoclass (talk) 01:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

date-autoformatting removal script

Hi Gimmetrow: do you have any ideas about how the script might be modified to deal with this blasted citation template problem? Tony (talk) 08:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Project

Tada! I haven't done much testing with it yet. Let me know what you think. --AdultSwim (talk) 22:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

User:AdultSwim/Sandbox This is a raw reflist of everything not currently in the article. It includes vandalism and errors. It also includes the same reference if the format changed. (see 13 and 19). --AdultSwim (talk) 17:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Heraldry

I centered the text because it appeared left-aligned in Safari 2. Now that I check, it is centered in Safari 3 and Firefox. Presumably there is a higher-level problem as I have been seeing the left-aligned text in Safari 2 in a few random places recently. I don't see that the text-align:center hurts anything on the template, especially since there are still a number of people running Safari 2. It would be nice to fix the higher-level problem but I don't know where to begin to look. Carl Lindberg (talk) 02:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It's centered in Safari 2 (Mac). With your centering code it looked right-of-center on the system I was on at the time. If you want to figure it out, I won't fuss. Gimmetrow 04:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Apparently I did not have the latest version of Safari 2, which I did not realize. I finally got around to upgrading it, and it worked after that. Sorry about that... I should have made sure I had a current version. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:GO

In the "it's always something" department, see User:Redirect fixer and this; since that's not a real userpage, and since it references something on a maillist, I don't know how to make it stop. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It only happened once, right? Maybe if we ignore it it will go away. Gimmetrow 04:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
That's the spirit !! But I don't think so :-) This message is from July 23. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. Yes, there's now an option with page moves to auto update redirects. Don't know when pywikipedia will support the option or I'll have time to add it, but until the software supports it I don't think it can be deselected. WP:GO seems to be the only redirect. Can just rollback each week for now. 05:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Great. It's not the only redirect, so redirect fixer is going to make 8 useless edits every week that we will need to rollback. The checkbox should be off by default. Gimmetrow 06:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I finally got info from someone else about how to commuicate with that page: User talk:Tim Starling. (An automated tool should give info about how to contact its owner, no?) Will this also mess up the botification of promoted/archived FACs? Have you tried a few yet? Is it just a matter of whether the tool happens to get there before you do? And I'm not understanding what the eight edits are; I only corrected that one redirect at WP:GO. Honestly, if I have to keep up with things like this, I'm going to join Raul and refuse to continue dealing with WP:GO (archiving of that page regularly frustrated Raul). I'd just as soon abandon it as have to jump through off-Wiki hoops to get it fixed; I'm not sure who uses that page anyway. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no, I don't think it's just a matter of getting there first. It's a new feature with moves that should have been default:off in order not to break things. So I got the most recent pywikipedia library, and it appears to support unchecking the box. However, a bunch of functions in the library were renamed. This ought to be basic software engineering - don't mess up legacy stuff unless there is a damn good reason for it. I can probably get the script for GO fixed by next week, but the rest of my scripts do not work correctly with the new library and I guess I have to maintain two pywikipedia installs for a while. Gimmetrow 15:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Lost a long message to you in the edit conflict, but the bottom line is that this is the sort of thing about Wiki that really pisses people off. First, a unilateral change is made that messes things up. Second, no way to communicate with the people who broke it. Third, others are expected to fix it. Fourth, Raul was so frustrated with the archiving of WP:GO that he stated many times he would stop updating the page. So will I; I don't need to update that page if some tool can come along after a year-long search for someone who could write a script to archive that page, and just invalidate it. I'm glad to stop updating WP:GO; I don't know who uses the page and I've no inclination to jump through this hoop. But if you're telling me that it messes up regular botification of FAC files, then I'm fried, because if I'm understanding this correctly, that means someone talked to someone at Wikimania and created extra work for you? At least NE2 had the courtesy to update that page, directing queries to the Village Pump, but this is classic crazy-making Wiki style. The person who broke it doesn't have to respond, and those who now have to do the extra work have to go to the Village Pump and hope someone will pay attention? Let me know what I need to do; I have no problem abandoning updating of WP:GO if that makes your job easier, but now I'm very worried about regular promotions/archives and the extra work created for you. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
No, the redirect-fixer doesn't mess up FAC archiving. I do understand why WikiMedia devs would put this in, but it had predictable consequences with any page that is move-archived and has redirects that shouldn't move. There ought to be some way to opt out. We could, for instance, protect the 8 redirects. Were I CIO, I probably would have made the option available to start with, then made it default:on in a few months after people figured an opt-out.
I left a note for User talk:OhanaUnited, asking where he gets his data for the Features and Admins page on the WP:SIGNPOST. Unless Ohana uses WP:GO, I will not mind no longer updating that page. I'm still not sure which the 8 redirects are, but yes, why not just protect them? Just let me know what you want me to do: I have little inclination to continue updating WP:GO knowing the issues it caused for Raul, and I have no inclination to cause extra work for you. If our regular archiving of closed FACs is OK, abandoning the WP:GO page is fine with me, and those who broke it may eventually fix it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Gimme, I've directed the other people who make updates of featured content at WP:GO to this discussion, although you and I were the only ones who ever dealt with archiving the page weekly. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

About Features and admins

I never extract info from WP:GO. I extract the featured data from each individual's featured log (so FA, FL, FT, etc.). Feel free to abandon the page. OhanaUnited 16:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Interesting; then I really have no idea why the WP:GO page exists. Who uses it for what? The Signpost covers weekly featured content. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
And there is also the featured-content portal; the collaborations are listed in the Community Portal. I've been rather hesitant to say this, considering the diligent efforts that have gone into updating the page, but it's rather useless. And pretty unseen. I have compiled the following statistics for 2008:
Page views of Misplaced Pages:Goings-on (including WP:GO)
Month Misplaced Pages:Goings-on WP:GO Total Views per day
January 2008 1799 13 1812 58.5
February 2008 1516 16 1532 52.8
March 2008 1869 13 1882 60.7
April 2008 2294 7 2301 76.7
May 2008 1827 12 1839 59.3
June 2008 1637 16 1653 55.1
Total 10942 77 11019 60.5
For comparison, last June alone the community portal was viewed 408,425 times and the featured-content portal 629,267 times (without counting shortcuts in either). Maybe the page is more trouble than it's worth. Waltham, The Duke of 18:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Just saw your edit with the summary "will anyone notice" - just would like to say I'll notice. It's much better than the featured content portal, whose layout is frankly over pretentious. It's a lot harder to follow than the now inactive WP:GO page. Anyway, just wanted to say that not all of us will not notice. LuciferMorgan (talk) 19:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Lucifer, the original problem was that only Raul and I were dealing with the weekly archiving, which was a chore. GimmeBot finally took on the archiving chore (after several years of pleas to the community from alternately Raul and me), and now this unannounced programming change complicated his chore. Unless someone tells us what that page is good for, the info is included weekly in WP:SIGNPOST. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify, the WP:GO archiving script is not itself broken. It can still move-archive WP:GO. A recent feature was added to MediaWiki. If nothing is changed, another bot will automatically perform useless edits to the 8 (known) redirects to WP:GO. The change required to the archiving script is fairly minor, setting an option to False rather than True. But if hardly anyone uses the page, now is as good a time as any to mark it historical. It had a good run: 4 years, 5 months. Gimmetrow 19:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll add a double-underscore tag to suppress the redirect fixer, say, __STATICREDIRECT__. Unless you can think of a better name before I commit it. -- Tim Starling (talk) 21:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

And this would go with the redirect, after the #RED line, and redirect-fixer would ignore it? Sounds like a good solution. Gimmetrow 21:45, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes. Committing now. -- Tim Starling (talk) 21:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Gimme, is that it (translation)? Should we resume using the page? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Translation: add the magic word to the redirects and I don't have to update my pywikipedia install to keep running the WPGO script. Gimmetrow 22:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but it's still Greek to me, so I hope you've done the necessary at WP:GO. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

(Presumably pinged here due to my FPOC help.) I wouldn't object to scrapping the page considering how little it's used, but I don't really care either way. Tim's new magic word should fix things so we won't have a problem, it seems. —Giggy 03:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Same as Giggy - I don't particularly care about the fate of the page. The magic word just went live, so business as usual. MER-C 07:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I say we take this to the talk page, and make it public via the Pump. If I am to judge from the discussion so far, people will probably support the closure of the page. It would certainly simplify things; the page doesn't seem to match well with the established information channels. Waltham, The Duke of 10:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Gimme, I'm going to wait 'til after 0:10 UTC to pr/ar tonight, just to make sure all is set now with the GO archive. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

GimmeBot FAC issue

When GimmeBot archives a promoted article, it adds <div class="boilerplate metadata vfd"> to the header of the archived FAC. Unfortunately, this syntax apparently is unrecognized by IE5 browser, resulting in blanking of the entire page. Please look into this and either remove or modify this div class, so that the archived discussion is available on all browsers. JGHowes - 18:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Same (or similar) class is used on closed articles for deletion discussions. Are those also blank? 23:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, they too are blank. Please note, this happens only with IE5, no such problem with IE6 or IE6. As a workaround when using an IE5 laptop, I tab to "edit this page", delete <div class="boilerplate metadata vfd">, and then use "Show preview" to view the archived discussions. Tedious, but it works! JGHowes - 17:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I had a typo at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Archived nominations/July 2008 (missing bracket), which caused the bot to miss one. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Principal

I really appreciate your apology, Gimmetrow. I take Misplaced Pages very seriously, and as a professional editor my allegiance is always to the reader alone, not to my personal predilections or anyone else's predilections.

My feelings on the Principal case are as follows: She's not a reliable source, yes, as you say not because of her anti-aging products, but as an aging actress, and one who from the beginning of her stardom was playing a part on Dallas opposite a younger man. Her birthdate has always been in question; it is commonly listed as 1945 or 1946, by completely unrelated sources that haven't copied from each other. On "The Tonight Show," she told Joan Rivers she was the first American baby born in Japan after the war, which would mean 1946.

I'm well aware that the birth-year subject has been discussed before. I had read all of the discussions and done a lot of research before making my changes. I'm sorry they upset you so much, and that my reverting an edit upset you.

I still believe that in service to the truth it definitely bears mentioning somewhere on the article page (even if only in a footnote) that other sources have consistently listed her birth year as 1945/6. In the past 5 years she has, by her own admission, taken legal action (which one assumes means threatening lawsuits) against sources that list her birthdate as anything but 1950.

I don't think her legal actions quailfy as reliable; in fact I think they might moreso equate to a media blackout on the truth. Principal was at one point listed on the Misplaced Pages article on Age Fabrication, with the following unsourced entry (until you removed in on July 6, 2007):

Victoria Principal, born January 3, 1946, has had several years reported as her year of birth, ranging from 1944 to 1950. During her time on Dallas the year given was 1947 (she celebrated her 40th birthday on January 3, 1987). Comedian Joan Rivers was known question Principal about her actual age on occasion. According to her birth record, she was born in 1946.

Unsourced though it is, it still gives possibly true information (which may simply need citation) which throws her birth year into doubt.

In any case, short of adding here all of the evidence in support of an earlier birth year, I'll close with a couple of things:

(1) I have no connection to VP and little interest in her besides keeping Misplaced Pages updated and thorough.

(2) I don't know where you live, but it's common for American actresses, especially in VP's situation, to fabricate their age; therefore, in any age dispute the actresses themselves are not reliable sources (just look at Merle Oberon re: birth info).

(3) I really don't have an interest in edit wars; my experience on Misplaced Pages is that disagreements between dedicated editors are solved via courteous compromise and/or arbitration.

Anyway, that's a lot to write on a Talk page, so I'll stop now! Best wishes. :) Softlavender (talk) 05:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:WPGR

Hi! I see you are much better than me in fixing banners! Well, the problem with {{WPGR}} is that when I write peer-review=yes everything works ok, but when I write old-peer-review=yes the whole talk page becomes a mess! What is wrong?

And something else: In MILHIST the banner does not generate C-Class, since it has not been adopted by the project, but generated instead Start-Class. Neither WP:GREECE has adopted this new assessment class; therefore, is this "trick" applicable to our banner as well?

Thanks!--Yannismarou (talk) 17:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it

This is what the talk page template says: "Baconian theory has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria" - How can that be true? Isn't this the wrong template? Erik the Red withdrew his nomination due to excessive sockpuppetry, including the discovery that the original nomination was made by the sockpuppet of the article's main writer. So I am wondering, should the history of this nomination be included?Smatprt (talk) 03:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S. - Please read the archive (it's short) so you understand what really happened here. Thanks so much. Smatprt (talk) 03:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Erik listed the article as GA, so it's now part of the history of the article. Gimmetrow 03:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
] But Erik withdrew the nomination. Have you read the archive? Smatprt (talk) 06:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Erik removed the nomination notice after listing the article as GA. Gimmetrow 10:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm really sorry for being dense here, and maybe you could provide a longer (detailed) explanation about what is going on at this article. As it turns out, the article was originally nominated by a sockpuppet of the articles main writer, who then supported the nomination with additional sockpuppets. Doesn't this make a mockery of the whole GA process? And should the nomination stand? See here ] for info on the sockpuppet revelations. ThanksSmatprt (talk) 00:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi again. I see you relisted the article as GA saying it seemed to have passed properly. I am still about confused. Was it proper that it was nominated by a Sockpuppet for the main article writer? Can you show me the links where it was nominated by a neutral party, and then a link where it passed? Thanks. Smatprt (talk) 05:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Articles are usually nominated by their writers - not neutral parties. Why would the nominator matter if someone neutral passes it? Gimmetrow 12:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
But are they normally nominated by Sockpuppets, then passed by other sockpuppets?Smatprt (talk) 15:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
You're claiming both User:Erik the Red 2 and I are sockpuppets? Gimmetrow 15:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Goodness no - the nomination was supported by Bodleyman, BarryisPuzzled and Felsummerfeld - all the same guy, as he ultimately admitted. Sorry for any confusion on that!Smatprt (talk) 15:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Just to be clear - I actually have no problem with the article being GA - I even contributed to it in an attempt to help it reach it (which is why Erik the Red ultimately supported it ]). I just object to the sneaky way it was accomplished. Thanks for listening - I'll happily end this thread now!Smatprt (talk) 15:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

FA to portal

... discussion moved to Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Namespace for featured content pages. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Please accept one of my favorite flowers, from your friend, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
A followup note for you on my talk page, and then I'm taking the day off to contemplate. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

GimmeBot work

I don't blame you for wanting to spend more time writing articles - it's something I've occasionally regretted myself recently. But what the hell, let's give myself even less time for that: if you're serious about discontinuing some or all of GimmeBot's functions, is there any chance you could wing me the code for them? I seem to be ahead of the game in being the only person to offer to step in who uses python, so I should be able to work with them fairly easily. My toolserver account is finally getting a move on too, so hopefully I can eventually get something nearly-real-time going out of it. Many thanks in advance, Happymelon 17:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Gimmebot

Hi Gimmetrow. For some reason the bot didn't update Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of Stars awards or Talk:List of Stars awards. Should it be done manually now? Matthew Edwards (talk contribs  email) 08:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Saw the discussion at Sandy's talk page. Just wanted to sat that it'll be a shame if you decide not to continue. If that happens and you are prepared to share the inner workings of the bot, I'd be willing to take on the tasks. Regards, Matthew Edwards (talk contribs  email) 09:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

That FLC is not linked anywhere. The bot works from the archive pages. Gimmetrow 12:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, it seems it was withdrawn and didn't go through the correct process. I'll fix it today. Matthew Edwards (talk contribs  email) 18:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Just curious why you reverted your bot here? Looked okay to me.. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

The bot skips closed discussions. Had to fix redirected discussion page then have script hit it again. Gimmetrow 12:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, cool. Keep up the excellent work. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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