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Sodom and Gomorrah

The reason I posted the change, I wanted to see how long conservative truth lasts on the Misplaced Pages page of a controversial subject and what kind of PC police force Misplaced Pages has, if any at all. Unbelievable! That revision lasted only minutes!

What I'd said was truth exposed, and that cannot be bigotry.

When you'd said that I'd removed "existing text." So, what's your point? That's what Misplaced Pages is all about. Misplaced Pages encourages people on this site to add, subtract and edit content with wreckless abandon, and you have to know that already. You've made it sound like nobody can touch this page, because it's set in stone. Well, let me give you the same advice that was given to me on this site. You don't own the "Sodom and Gomorrah" page. But, obviously, the page has people watching the site so closely that it not only doesn't pay to try to edit this page, it's shown itself to be of no value to anyone seeking conservative scholarship, if I'd have chosen to include some of that on that page.

However, I have to add that in order for me to have been really legit, I did need to cite sources. If I would've added sources to my comment, then what you did would've been really wrong, because all you seem to be about is slandering, marginalizing and eventually silencing the conservative voice. Canihaveacookie (talk)

Olsson "Editors"

Hey Doug, I would like your help again. Paul Smith and another editor 'Loremaster' have repeatedly harrassed Olsson at Misplaced Pages. Time after time they have removed all positive references and sources from her Wiki page. I cannot continue to deal with these people. Is there someone I can turn to for mediation? Thank You. Alexis

Sorry

I grew up in school with BC and I'm just not used to BCE yet. I'm not doing this for religious reasons. But sorry for the edit. AaronPaige (talk) 14:57, 22 June 2008 (EST)

Midewiwin

I see now that that was an unproductive edit. My apologies. ClovisPt (talk)

SmackBot

Thanks. Rich Farmbrough 10:30 21 September 2008 (UTC).

OTRS

As a matter of fact, it usually is enough to just say "as per OTRS" - but if someone wants more details, I'm usually (though not always) free to provide them. In this case, we've been offered a birth certificate, which should be enough.

Apparently, the problem is that there's more than one person with this name - and they're mostly related and live in the same general area. DS (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Sofia Shinas

Thanks for answering my AN/I request and for protecting the Sofia Shinas article. If you like, you can unprotect the page since there seems to be an OTRS providing the correct DOB. Like I said on the report, I really didn't have a problem with changing it, but the lack of sources, multiple accounts, and zero communication was beyond frustrating. Pinkadelica 14:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

John McCain

Hi there. I stumbled across your de-protecting of the article despite Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive487#Compromise and . Just wanted to make sure you were aware of both, as I'd like to avoid any possible wheel-warring between admins. Cheers =) --slakr 15:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

To be accurate, I changed the protection from full to semi- quite a while after I said I was going to do it, and on the basis of this discussion which didn't refer to any past decisions in the archive. And before the 2nd diff you link to above. If there had been an agreement that both articles should be fully protected, why wasn't it implemented? I'll contact L'Aquatique and explain. Thanks. dougweller (talk) 16:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

All four candidate articles except McCain are currently protected. Since you reduced protection because Obama was semi-protected at the time, would you object to re-protect now ? The consensus in the discussions I've read seems to be that full protection is warranted. Regards, Cenarium 17:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for full protection. As I said, what I did was reduce McCain's because Obama's was only semi-protected. dougweller (talk) 17:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, i just proposed on Obamas page that it be reduced to semi, because the vandalism of McCain in the last few hours since it was unprotected have been minimal--Jac16888 (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

This is getting confusing. I've raised McCain's to full. I think they should be on full throughout the day, it is still morning in California for instance. Let's move the discussion to somewhere central please? dougweller (talk) 18:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Shahin's invasion of Asia Minor (615)

Hello! You do make a good point. Personally, I think the ideal thing would be to redirect to an article on the last Roman-Persian War, which however doesn't exist. Little detail is known about the campaigns and battles of this war, so it really makes little sense to have separate articles on them. This particular one would barely reach a couple of paragraphs more. I have merely edited those created by user Secthayrabe as to correct them or at least remove the sometimes very inaccurate info he included in them. I didn't really think in terms of a big picture, in which case you are right. As I'm a bit out of time lately, feel free to take whatever action you deem necessary. Regards, Constantine ✍ 20:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Sofia Shinas

I would have to say that this is misleading and quite honestly, very bad faith in regard to the motives of Pinkadelica and myself. It has never been the case of edit warring, it has been the case of repeated SPAs inserting a major change to a vital statistic without sourcing or responding to requests for sourcing. If you will look at the article history, and the myriad of newly registered accounts that continued to change the birthdate of this person without offering a source of any kind besides "edit age.... went to school with Sophia", "I have a copy of the birth certificate that her brother gave me", "wrong birthdate", "dob found in (information listed in London newspaper)", "changed her birthdate. I should know, I was her public school teacher", "her birthday year is wrong ( I attend usc with her - this is her cousins birthday who haooens to ahare the same name, She is also working on another film", why would editors in good faith not be suspicious about this? It's quite interesting that one of these changes makes a reference to a person in a London newspaper, again asserting the 1974 birthdate, and then the note left on the talk page today here disputes the London newspaper as being about another person, yet confirms the same birth year that was based on the London newspaper. When approached, none of SPAs would respond to our queries about sources. The final assumption is that neither Pinkadelica or myself would respect or understand what OTRS confirmation implies and would blindly plow ahead. I want to reiterate, yesterday, one of these suspected socks asked how to submit a "copy of her birth certificate" given to the questioner by the brother of Sofia Shinas and was sure "he" wouldn't care if she released it." If that is true, that editor hasn't the authority to release a birth certificate of this minor actor. Personally, I think OTRS is being duped. Look at this history and tell me if this really looks like edit warring or good faith revisions based on dubious changes. I am trying to find where the editor asked about sending in someone else's birth certificate. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

So you have decided it isn't necessary to AGF? Great start. 'Edit warring' comes from a drop down menu and it actually says edit warring/content dispute. There was clearly a content dispute and I protected it because of that. If you want to complain about the Admin and his/her OTRS ticket, complain to him, you'll see a comment from me expressing some concern. Meanwhile I still see a content dispute and note that you haven't actually asked me to unprotect the article or edit through it. It's protected so that the issue can be worked out on the talk page, and I see no reason to unprotect it. dougweller (talk) 22:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I was in the midst of revising my rant about this because I didn't realized that Pinkadelica made the protect request, and when I saved it, I got an edit conflict with your response. I apologize. There was a singular indication that the myriad of newly registered accounts making the same change based on vague claims of "I know this" without confirmation. We asked for response and discussion. None was forthcoming. However, I stand by my statement that I believe OTRS is being duped. If a birth certificate was submitted, it was likely done so by someone who by their own admission, got a copy of a birth certificate for someone named Sofia Shinas, allegedly from Shinas' brother, and sent it in. I'm skeptical about its authenticity, based on the supposed source and the SPA history. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)