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To do

• identify leading players from 1841 to 1863
• expand Garfield Sobers
• expand W G Grace
• expand History of English amateur cricket
• think about way forward for List of early English cricketers to 1786
• long-term – review 18th century articles and get them all up to B-class

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Presents

		The Oddball Barnstar
		For your contributions to articles on early English cricket Tintin (talk) 06:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		BlackJack is awarded this barnstar for his continued hard work in documenting the obscure parts of cricket. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 06:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Cricket barnstar Jack, great work on creating articles for all the English cricket seasons. And thanks for filling in our coverage on historical cricket, where we're often weak. Here's a cricket barnstar for you. Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The Belligerent Gnome Award I, Dweller, make you the first (and probably only) recipient of the Belligerent Gnome Award for your, erm belligerent gnoming, which irritates some people some of the time, but is exceedingly valuable to the project. Dweller 19:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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Zambia national cricket team

I've rewritten this and would appreciate a quick assessment. Afghanistan is next, hopefully a decent article there in time for it to get messed up again when they play in WCL Division Three in Argentina in January. Andrew nixon (talk) 12:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Bart King

I can see your rationale for doing it, but I don't think that you ought to edit what other people have written on a Talk page, even in order to update a link. I see Talk pages as providing a historical record of the discussion as it occurred at the time, and if anyone altered anything I had written myself on a Talk page without consulting me first I would be a little annoyed. In any case, since the original link now redirects to the new article, no harm is done by letting the original link stand. (Of course, if you did ask the original writers and they said "fine, go ahead" then I take back what I've said.) JH (talk page) 18:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes, but double redirects take priority and I did only update the linkage. Nothing was changed in terms of the message. There ought to be a comprehensive automated method of merging articles (e.g., as for moving articles) as this procedure turned out to be a pain in the neck. BlackJack | 05:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Graeme Pollock

As you know, we're rushing on this to get it into the 0.7 release.

I'm not very good on quality assessment below FA - would you say that this article now meets A, B or GA status?

Is it slightly short of reaching a decent standard, and if so, what could be fixed? --Dweller (talk) 14:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

signing

Hi. Thanks for giving me the tip. I have many times recently had to type that I cannot sign properly. I did not think there was another way of doing it. Thanks for the tip. 02blythed (talk) 18:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC) signed as you suggested

English cricket team in West Indies in 1959-60

That a lot more substantial an article than the other tour articles that you're just rated as stubs, and I reckon that it merits at least a "start" rating. Of course, as its author I might be a little biased. :) JH (talk page) 18:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Cricket key bios

BlackJack is there any reason you blanked out most of the comments and merged all the table together? I would like the comments restored at least. You can add your own opinion of course, I don't hold nay monopoly on commentary. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 05:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles Greville

Hi Jack. There's already an article on Charles Greville under his full name Charles Cavendish Fulke Greville. And the new one seems to spell his name with only one L. Johnlp (talk) 22:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC) Whoops, and Henry Lowther (politician) too. It's these aristocrats: they get in everywhere! Johnlp (talk) 22:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The Greville piece is horrid, isn't it (though not quite as fawning as some Wisden obits of the same period). Not everyone has your enviably succinct style. Johnlp (talk) 15:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

"The long-whiskered Doctor"

Is that WG ? I always assumed that he was referring to the Coroner.

• WG : "The champion of the centuries, he cometh up against thee, With his brethren, every one a famous foe!"
• EM : "The long-whiskered Doctor, that laugheth the rules to scorn, While the bowler, pitched against him, bans the day he was born;" (the latter half perhaps a reference to his cross-batted hitting ?)
• GF : "And G.F. with his science makes the fairest length forlorn; They are come from the West to work thee woe!"

Isn't that so ?

Btw, in case you don't have them, Grace's Memorial Biography is available at http://www.archive.org/details/memorialbiograph00maryuoft and Cricket at http://www.archive.org/details/cricket00gracgoog . A search for "cricket" will give a few more old books. Tintin 08:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

In gamesmanship, there is also Sammy Jones run out at Oval 1882. Tintin 08:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Re. Mrs, I am not even that lucky :-) Tintin 14:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Happened to spot this from you on Tintin's talk page: "There are presently several WG books available on eBay: I've just bought Darwin's for a quid plus postage but my better half has seized it and insists that it solves the problem of one of my birthday presents next month!!" Perhaps you could persuade her to give you Simon Rae's biography of Grace as well. Not only is it an excellent book but - unusually for a writer on cricket - he is as meticulous as a good Wiki writer in citing his sources. There must be an average of 20-30 citations per chapter. JH (talk page) 15:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

She's put a watch on one of the Rae books already, as it happens. And also the Rayvern Allen one. Those two are not for sale by auction, though, they're buy it now or best offer. Simon Rae has probably picked up on current thinking generally about providing sources. We've come a long way from H T Waghorn who didn't provide any at all! ---BlackJack | 17:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The Sewells

Excellent! It would probably have been ages before I got around to doing an article for Tom Sewell junior, and I'm glad that I can now cross him off my "to do" list. JH (talk page) 21:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I've just added a whole load more players from that era into the redlinks to-do list and I think the project will be expanding for a long time yet! ---Jack | 08:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the list, I noticed "Timothy Duke (Kent) 1823 to 1828". I was wondering if he might have been the founder of the Dukes cricket ball manufacturer. I seem to recall that they are based in Kent. JH (talk page) 10:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Thank you very much for your welcome message. I have been using the site for reference for some time and have occasionally made small anonymous edits to correct spelling mistakes and the like, so I'm not a complete rookie. I thought that doing reviews would be interesting so I'll take a stab at it and see how it goes. I think it would be wise to try the GA type first before I venture into FA which seems much more demanding!

I will consider joining the cricket project although I'm much more of a football man, but I do like watching cricket. Thanks for the invite anyway.

As for your short article, I now fully understand the reason for your proposal on the good article criteria page and you are definitely right about the "broad in coverage" aspect. "Broad" is the wrong word entirely and the measure should be about "ample coverage".

I've read the Bedle article and the review entries on its talk page. I'd like to give it a formal and detailed review if you will nominate it again. I shall probably stay logged on through today because I'm reading the Anderssen article so, if you let me know when it's there, I'll claim it for the review. Some first thoughts on it are that I think the first reviewer SilkTork made some reasonable points and I gather you have already addressed these. The issue with that review was his insistence that not enough detail is known and that's the real difficulty I will have to overcome. As for the second review, you are quite right that he was out of order, though I think you should have replied after your understandable anger had subsided. I happen to know that one of the sources you quote, the Rowland Bowen book, is entirely reputable (I have a cricketing friend who owns it!). There is no case whatsoever for assuming that any of the sources quoted are suspect and he didn't even utilise the GA criteria, so he was just wasting everybody's time.

Do please nominate it again and I'll see if I can grab it before anyone else does! ---KenKt (talk) 09:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. I'm just letting you know that I have commenced the review and have no problems with the five immediate points around reliable sources, objective approach, cleanup warnings, disputes and current topic. So I will do a detailed review and hope to have some feedback for you in a few days. By the way, someone else has just written to you above so I think their post will not now be on your watchlist (not quite sure how that works yet). --KenKt (talk) 11:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

William Bedle

GAN #3?! Yeah, get an editor with only 22 total edits under his/her belt...that'll get the article passed.

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