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Question about voting comments

You expressed that you felt my answer to the science question was a bit weak. Would you tell me what you found lacking in the answer? Would you tell me what you found more positive about the answer? I appreciate your support and I want to make sure I understand your reservations. Thanks! Vassyana (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Your answer is very weak and hard to understand. In fact, with most science articles the Science = NPOV. (Science itself has no POV, it's a methodology to determine what makes the natural world run, in very simplistic terms.) Please look at Risker's answer to the same question. Very clearly understood, and her answers are backed up by her contributions. I'm scared that you will be part of the FT2 anti-science group in Arbcom. But there are candidates I despise more, so you get my vote. OrangeMarlin 18:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. I agree with your statement that with most science articles Science = NPOV. In fact, I would go much broader and say with the vast majority of academic subjects that the established scholarly view(s) = NPOV. My main experience and expertise is in "softer" fields, but the principle remains the same. My answer was an attempt, obviously flawed, to answer the question heavily focused on the underlying policy and related principles. Let me attempt to restate it. NPOV says we present topics as they appear in reliable sources, especially as it relates to proper weighting. With science topics, the overwhelming majority of sources will be reputable scientific literature in (by far) most cases. Thus, my agreement with your statement. Does that help clarify where I stand? Do you have any remaining questions or concerns? Vassyana (talk) 04:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate this answer. I'm going to revise my vote (I was support, but revise my comments). OrangeMarlin 16:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I am glad that I could clear up my answer a bit. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to drop me a message. Vassyana (talk) 12:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Arb vote response

I've posted two responses to your concerns on my vote page, under oppose 67, SLR's vote. I've also paste them to my questions page. Let me know if you have more concerns. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

You have the anti-science interpretation of NPOV. In fact, I'm rather shocked that someone at your level has such a poor understanding of NPOV. Your responses solidify my opinion that you will be no different than FT2 in being one of the strong anti-science votes on ArbCom. This is sad. You use words like "mainstream science" which is the anti-science codeword to make it sound like a bunch of closed minds decided that snake oils don't work. And to cover up your obvious anti-science attitude, you pick easy to defend attitudes like flat-earth. That's an easy one. What about acupuncture? Anyways, your anti-science attitude is clear. And that's why many anti-science editors are supporting you. OrangeMarlin 18:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't read the specific question/answer involved, but I have noticed that a lot of candidates have unintentionally ended up saying the wrong thing - i.e. that NPOV is the concern, and that there can somehow be a conflict between NPOV and science (as opposed to the scientific consensus is NPOV, and the problem is limiting the presence of claims in contradiction). I think what's happening is that these people aren't really fluent with the problems in this area, and haven't spent much time thinking about the issue. It seems unlikely that they're all actually anti-science. Avruch 15:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm still surprised at how experienced editors confuse this issue. It's one of the major problems with Misplaced Pages is inexperienced, or worse yet, POV-pushing, admins don't understand NPOV. How can we trust an Arbcom member who either intentionally confuses NPOV or is just plain confused. Disappointing, but he can join FT2 in the anti-science wing of Arbcom. Maybe they can have a group hug. OrangeMarlin 16:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

"Anti science" is best compared to a reckless driver being "anti safe driving". It may not be intentional (some reckless drivers just like to go fast), but it has an effect that's counter-productive with Science. One of those "road to hell being paved with good intentions" situations. Badger Drink (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

That infamous Mr. Marlin and his ribald case

Hiya OM. Hope you didn't mind my making an example out of you. I'm interested in making sure that candidates have the ability to criticize ArbCom (part of what repulsed me the most about "your" case was how it took days to get anybody on the committee to say anything even remotely veering in the general direction of "mea culpa") - and if they can't manage to find something wrong with "your" case, then odds are they're not really thinking. From what I noticed, all the candidates who answered the question had the same basic response - what's much more telling is looking at which candidates "forgot" to answer that particular question. Badger Drink (talk) 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I actually appreciated your questions. It would not, of course, have been appropriate for me to ask them. I haven't changed any votes because of what I read, but I would have. I noticed who failed to answer, one of whom, Jayvdb, actually came on this page and made some specious claim about BLP because I posted a very uncivil and libelous email from Elonka. I don't appreciate admins or editors who think they're smarter than everyone else, who support Elonka on anything, and who do not answer questions from editors because it's beneath them. I hope he loses. OrangeMarlin 18:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Resource

For some reason, I was moved to google hallmark of pseudoscience and came across this and this that may be useful at some time.LeadSongDog (talk) 00:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

sorry

Maybe this will help, but there is a good chance it wont. Either way, I am sorry. Feel free to revert; I know I'm not particularly welcome in this neck of the woods. John Vandenberg 15:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

you bring a tear to my wikieyes

Do I really write english so badly? T.T Anyways, I made a post on the talk page bitching about wholesome reversions, and about how incomplete the history section is and how I intend to improve it. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Global warming, my ass

Stuck in a creepy little farm town in a cheap motel because the interstate is closed because of snow. Now that might be fine in Minnesota or Montana, but not in Southern California. (OK, the mountain pass that I have to cross to get into Los Angeles is over 1,650 metres (5,410 ft), but we're at a rather southerly latitude). I'm just whining.OrangeMarlin 07:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Be thankful. Such challenges build character. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 07:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Character can be further improved by taking off ones shoes and walking to the next Taco Belle. Don't take money the first time, that's cheating! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 07:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's Taco Bell. Come to think of it, OM might prefer a Taco Belle... Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 08:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Sorry about the typo. But since OM is part of the Jewish atheist liberal science cabal, isn't he by definition gay? Is there something like a Taco Bello? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 08:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I walked barefoot, uphill, in 15 inches of snow to get my favorite pastrami on rye sandwich in Syracuse, and the owner wasn't gay or Jewish. I believe he was Greek, but that's neither here nor there. And what this has to do with freaking snow in Southern California and bad Mexican food is beyond me. And Harvey Milk rules! (Adding in the gay, Jewish reference randomly). OrangeMarlin 09:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Its sunny and quite warm here, if that helps William M. Connolley (talk) 12:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Can I have global warming in the winter and global cooling during the summer? The gas and electric bills are much nicer that way. --B (talk) 12:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course, if we had that, then we would be burning fossil fuels, and we would solve the world's problems overnight. And I can't believe WMC watches my comments. LOL. OrangeMarlin 19:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

"Taco Bello"? Is that a Mexican food-fight? And it ain't sufficient to be part of a cabal any more -- to get real respect they gotta believe you must be an entire cabal, 'cause your so big and bad (and gay?). Hrafn_Stalk 12:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Your dilemma reminds me of the night of Friday, 31 January 1986: Hell has officially frozen over at -35C, and I'm on a five hour gotta-get-there drive in a beat-up VW Rabbit with a flaky carburetor. A sudden mysterious grinding noise and next thing I'm hiking (backwards, upwind) the last mile into nowheresville. Each step in the snow squeaks loudly enough to hear over the wind. I find myself a motel with attached chinese restaurant, where the locals are having a brew or twelve and recounting Letterman's Christa McAuliffe jokes after Tuesday's Challenger disaster. Not encouraged by this, I get a cabin. They turn on the heater and the naked light bulb. I crawl into bed (between sheets so shiny-starched I'm expecting them to snap) and shiver until sleep finally comes. Next day it is slightly warmer, but the garage in town isn't open on weekends, so I wind up finding my way to the Greyhound bus stop/general store/diner, where after endless "coffee" I get a 4pm back to my point of origin. Monday, I phone the garage who pick up the keys I left with the motel clerk and tow the car in for repair. They inform me Tuesday that there's nothing wrong with it, I can come get my car the next weekend! Feel better now? LeadSongDog (talk) 15:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Did you do this to see a girl? Just asking. OrangeMarlin 19:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

No, a sick parent. You?LeadSongDog (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Business trip. Beautiful snow in the Sierra's however. I did get stuck in a snowstorm once going to meet my girlfriend. We got stuck in my car somewhere in NJ, and had to spend the night in my car at a Turnpike rest area. It wasn't as romantic as it sounds. OrangeMarlin 20:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, NJ, where the snow sometimes lasts till morning:/) BTW, I see that your !case has come up again in discussion.LeadSongDog (talk) 20:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, when the wife and I were young and foolish (as opposed to middle-aged and foolish) we had to stay in the car too. We drove to Yellowstone on a whim one weekend. Not realizing that if you want a room, you have to reserve months in advance. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I try to avoid calderas of active supervolcanoes for vacations. I'm just a wimp about those things.  :) OrangeMarlin 22:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

← To go back to Harvey Milk for a moment, I recently saw Milk at the Castro Theatre - quite the scene. I thought the movie was well-done, especially for a biopic. A lot of the film focuses on the battle over Proposition 6. I suppose the timing, with the movie coming out shortly after Proposition 8, was coincidental, but the resonance was pretty powerful. MastCell  21:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

A local reviewer on radio here also called it a biopic, but said it as if to rhyme with myopic. Fortunately I wasn't sipping my coffee at the time.LeadSongDog (talk) 22:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I saw the movie in LA, and it was quite moving. I was wondering if the story here in California regarding Prop 8 would have been different if he were leading the charge? Did anyone notice that Ronald Reagan, the icon of Conservative Republicans actually opposed Prop 6? Of all the things in the movie, that was minor. And of course, Sean Penn, in a few scenes, looked exactly like Milk. It was a wonderful movie. OrangeMarlin 22:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Well I have the f**king flu in f**king December (i.e. summer), we had a real cold snap for much of november and now, we have had blankets on the beds and it is late spring/summer in Sydney. Still I remedied this with plenty of alcohol at the WP meetup last night with lots of "hail arb" comments. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

You did get a flu shot, right? Or were you worried about the thiomersal? :P MastCell  23:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

They don't get flu shots down in Oz. They just drink a couple of Fosters and move on. OrangeMarlin 23:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

We-ell, it ain't a truly bad one as q4-6h paracetamol 500mg + codeine 10mg (x2) scotches the moderate arthralgia and runny nose very nicely, so I s'pose it were wone of the parablahblah flue thingumy viruses, just got a whooping coff jab as there is an alert for that in NSW (groan). Anyway, I picked up a crate of 16 mangos for $20 last week and I am merrily watching those lovable rascals in The Sheild so all is good :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

And did you throw some shrimp on the barbie? LOL. OrangeMarlin 23:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Oho, between the last post and this I was bequeathed a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon though, happy Xmas..... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, but please tell me you're not drinking and taking q4-6h paracetamol? Or if you are, at least take an N-acetylcysteine chaser. MastCell  00:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

What was it you once said? "The effect may be enhanced by alcohol" is not a recommendation? LOL. OrangeMarlin 00:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh gosh, I wondered why I had turned all yellow today. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of the original subject, has anyone seen this today off of Drudge? CNN meteorologist Chad Myers called manmade global warming arrogant. (I'm just throwing it out there for no particular reason - don't infer by this that I agree with him - I don't - I believe in global warming - I just question the doom and gloom self-serving predictions - on both sides.)--B (talk) 04:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, Drudge probably doesn't qualify as a reliable source. And if the CNN meteorologist actually did say that, I'd say it's opinion. But my opinion about global warming (I am mostly convinced the earth has warmed), but from a scientific standpoint, I think the evidence is equivocal whether this is anything but a natural event. I'm old enough to have lived through vast sea changes of science over the past years. When I took a Paleontology course in college, no one understood what caused extinction events. Now, we have a pretty good idea. I can't even give you a list of medical theories that have "evolved" since first learning it. Scientific understanding evolves over time through experimentation, analysis and discussion. What concerns me about the global warming scientists is that they stifle dissent. In other words, to be a good scientist you have to buy the Greenpeace POV hook line and sinker. Well, I don't. The global warming denialists (which I might be) are lumped together with creationists and alternative medicine faith healers. I think 10 years from now, we're going to have a whole different understanding of global weather changes. OrangeMarlin 04:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

It must drive Greenpeace bonkers that people are building nuke plants to save the planet. Just saying...LeadSongDog (talk) 05:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yesterday Jim Hansen gave a talk here at AGU where he said fourth-generation nuclear should be part of the mix. He admitted that environmental groups wouldn't like to hear him say so. Apparently it's possible to reprocess the fuel so as to burn much more of it and end up with a much smaller amount of waste that has a much shorter half life. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 06:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

So how does Richard Alley rank amongst global warming types? I see him on History Channel and Discovery Channel shows about geological evidence of climate changes. He reminds me of my science professors when I was young...bright, enthusiastic, a bit flaky, and very interesting. OrangeMarlin 07:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Alley is a top-flight guy, one of the big names in ice cores and such. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 19:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You see the latest review of the energy sources? Jacobsen placed nuclear second to last, just ahead of carbon capture and storage and then biofuels (including cellulosic). He put them so low because there's a high carbon emissions opportunity cost compared to the top-ranked sources (what do you use while spending 10-20 years building them?). He also put in a somewhat sketchy estimation of the effects of increased nuclear proliferation leading to increased nuclear detonation. Nuclear power is cool, but financially it's not great because the start-up costs are so high that it takes 30 years to make a profit -- which a private investor is not going to like, especially given the uncertainty these days. Hard to justify spending government funds on them when there's much quicker bangs for the buck. Given the deregulation of energy in the US, it is unlikely that we'll see much nuclear. As far as the scientific opinion on climate change, it's pretty overwhelming. Certainly faith healing is more ridiculous than climate change denial, but looking at the scientific literature, it'd be hard to conclude that -- even the petroleum geologists admit anthropogenic global warming. In comparison, the NRC's 2006 report on AltMed was glowing (see assessment of evidence). PubMed won't even index the Quackwatchish Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine, but it indexes the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, one of the more extreme AltMed journals. A while back I started hunting around to see what the Pcarbonns of the climate denial world had dug up, and if I recall correctly, they made the cold fusion research look relatively mainstream. Even Mark Geier can get published in basic toxicology journals. Everything was from either from some oil and gas journal, or Energy and Environment. Sometimes they'll try to cite mainstream research, but the last time that happened, one of the authors bitchslapped the denialists in a letter to the NY Times.

I suppose it's unfortunate that the scientists opposing either won't, or aren't able to publish. Perhaps they should start their own journals/conferences, like the CF researchers or the fluoridation skeptics. I suppose I'm being contradictory, since they do publish in E&E, but I'm sorta thinking that they should start over since E&E is too discredited. My philosophy is that when something is too complicated for me to reasonably analyze, the only ethical decision is to defer to the experts. Especially when one considers the almost definite ocean acidification and the quite possible sea level rise. II | (t - c) 08:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Nuclear power has never been able to compete economically in a risk-accounting market. It has been developed using massive government funding, the operators don't have to carry the full cost of spent fuel handling, storing, and reprocessing, and they are exempt from carrying risk-adequate insurance. From a global warming point of view, I doubt the value of any solution that cannot be applied in Kenya, Somalia, Iran, or North Korea, for example. If we only fix carbon use in rich, western, politically correct countries, the then-cheaper carbon resources will just be burned in poorer, less developed and/or correct countries. If, on the other hand, you trust petty dictatorships and semi-anarchic third-world countries to run safe nuclear programs, you are way more trusty than I am. If we spend the money to develop low-carbon or carbon-neutral energy resources, we'd better invest in technologies that scale to most human societies. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 08:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Curiously, coal has never had to account for it's risks. Virtually every coal-fired power plant in the world emits more radiation than Three Mile Island ever did. I say virtually because I'm sure there are a few that have never operated. Re Kenya etc, their populations are too small to be major GHG emitters, even burning coal. Worry about China, then India. Both are fast-huge-and-growing economies, excluded from Kyoto, and happy to burn any fuel they can get. Burning carbon is not all bad though. Once soybeans are more profitable than opium, things in Afghanistan should calm down. I'm guessing that will be around the $1000/bbl mark.LeadSongDog (talk) 16:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not advocating coal, either. But for a fair comparison, you should also account for Chernobyl, Sellafield, and SDAG Wismut - and for the amortized risk of future contaminations from e.g. spent fuel. Don't underestimate mid-size countries. Kenya has 40 million inhabitants, approximately as many as Spain. Iran has 70 millions. If they all consume at a US level, Iran alone would cause more emissions than Germany. North Korea or Somalia have as many each as e.g. Sweden. Yes, China and India are growing emitters, although they are not excluded from Kyoto. They are just not Annex-1 countries (yet). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

On the original topic, albeit a bit late: Hoo boy, getting stuck in the grapevine sucks. I feel your pain. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

ID

Regarding your revert: inline tags such as {syn}, {fact}, and so on have an optional explanation or comment parameter. The comment is not shown, so it's not supposed to sound encyclopedic. The comments are used to help other editors understand what the problem might be. Would you mind undoing your revert? –M 02:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Understood. And that's why I think the ID article is a piece of shit. Why do I need to read some commentary within the coding of the article to understand it? Your edits just continue the crappy article. I'm not ripping you, I'm ripping the article, and unfortunately, you are in good faith trying to improve the article, but in fact, you're giving a flu vaccine to a dead patient. The article should be deleted, and someone start over. It's a mess. OrangeMarlin 04:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Were you aware of its recent FAR? I have no idea what's going on: the opening sentence rips off the wording of the discovery institute, and implies evolution is a random process. The article is poor because its editors are stuck on a very narrow and very deep line of "consensus". Has a rewrite of any article ever worked out, and has a deletion/restart ever occurred? –M 11:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Guido den Broeder

Required notice to all parties involved with the Guido den Broeder ban/block/discussion: I have appealed the ban on his behalf at WP:RFAR. Cosmic Latte (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Give me a fucking break.OrangeMarlin 19:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I know you're trying to be helpful to Guido, but this is too much.OrangeMarlin 19:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Jagz

FYI: Slrubenstein | Talk 00:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Good catch, but it's not even sporting any more. Does he not understand that we can figure this out fairly easily? Oh well, a certain admin will probably still want him un-banned. Meh. OrangeMarlin 00:10, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Let that certain admin try to argue: "But Slapdown hasn't been disruptive on any article page!!!"--Ramdrake (talk) 00:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

She has. I'm just waiting for it. OrangeMarlin 00:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh come on, that would be as likely as Arbcom voting on motions of a case they didn't have the votes to accept in the first place :) Aunt Entropy (talk) 01:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you notice that the same useless admin and useless Arbcom Member are always involved in the same bullshit? Anti-science rules!!!!!OrangeMarlin 05:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

2006 Gator Bowl FAC

I'm writing this here as well as on the review in order to ensure completeness. What citation style do you prefer? JKBrooks85 (talk) 22:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, it was just my opinion. I don't like sloppy citations, because they are hard to use, are formatted randomly, and don't allow for one-click access to the citation. BUT, that's my opinion, and since you want my recommendation, I'd say that the {{cite book}} etc. type of citation templates described in WP:CITET are the cleanest. OrangeMarlin 07:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Syracuse University sig

I am not anti-Rochester :). Syracuse (or the surrounding region) happens to be where I want to live when I get older. I always cheer for the Orange and watch their games. Basically, I prefer Syracuse over where I currently live. :) - Mitch32 02:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I think we need to drug test you. LOL.  :) OrangeMarlin 07:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Ha-ha. Don't plan on it. :) Mitch32 10:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Antoxidants

The information i would like to submit comes from an article at

http://www.bigbluetech.net/big-blue-tech-news/2008/12/23/antioxidants-protect-scuba-divers/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.42.67.225 (talk) 07:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

That's not a reliable source. OrangeMarlin 08:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Damn Yankees

Economic crisis? Where? Not in the Bronx: new stadium, new team, same fans.

Oh. And what's this business of dissing on small town California? I hope you enjoyed your stay in the environs of Bakersfield, and weren't traumatized by crossing the Grapevine in the snow, but I'm taking my cocktail dresses (red, black, leather, silk and otherwise) where they're appreciated.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

PS. Pity Jeter and Posada, so underpaid now. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Leather???? I'm now distracted.  :) It was actually Fresno. Raisins and all. The Sports Illustrated issue of last week had a little story about how competitive the Yankees and Bosox are during the GM meetings in Las Vegas. It was a good read. I'll laugh when all of the Wall Street types don't pay for or renew their season tickets next year. OrangeMarlin 00:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, better; not even a *real* small town in California. (I went to kindergarten near Fresno. Had a terrible crush on a cute kid named Jimmy who always wore a blue sweater. That's all I remember of Fresno.)

Will go looking for SI (and I do read the articles in spite of the nice pictures) ... I hope Verducci wrote the article; he's my favorite baseball writer. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Joe Posnanski (2008-12-22). "Take me out to...the Winter Meetings in Vegas, Baby, Vegas". Sports Illustrated. 109 (25): 44–51.OrangeMarlin 00:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! (Maybe it will show up in my stocking.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

First a leather cocktail dress. Now stockings. Great. OrangeMarlin 00:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

PS. Fresno IS a small town for me. I grew up in Los Angeles, a real city. Well, actually the San Fernando Valley, but east coast people hardly know the difference. OrangeMarlin 00:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

With seams. (Fresno is a booming metropolis on my map.) Where did you go in the Sierra Nevada that you ended up near Fresno? Yosemite? (Was in San Fernando valley just a few months ago.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

If the RedSox had paid that kind of money to replace Youk or Lowell, I would have had to rethink my allegiance. (Did I lose you at the seams? Waiting for your AL East predictions. I predict that Wall Street will buy tickets.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Advice?

Hi Orangemarlin, just wondering if you have a suggestion regarding this edit? I have a feeling that warring edits will accomplish nothing. Just let it go? --Scray (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

It's a rant, but not a bad one. I think letting it go is appropriate. OrangeMarlin 09:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

My blunder!!!

Thank you for catching my blunder at User Talk:KillerChihuahua. It was purely an unintentional technical blunder. Very sorry. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 13:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting!

Wherever you are, and whether you're celebrating something or not, there is always a reason to spread the holiday spirit! So, may you have a great day, and may all your wishes be fulfilled in 2009! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; our paths have crossed and I've found your comments amusing, helpful or thought-provoking—I'll let you guess which ones were which!

Also seasonal news about Katie! All the best, dave souza, talk 18:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons greetings

--B (talk) 20:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

• a fine Xmas message for all of us to be mindful of.... hehehe. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Chiropractic edit war

I agree with you on the substance of that edit. However, please see User talk:Shell Kinney #Chiropractic edit war, and please bear in mind that Chiropractic is under special administrator review: editors are being blocked there for actions there that on other pages they would not be blocked for. Eubulides (talk) 02:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

And I would know that how? I don't read that talk page anymore, it's just long-winded arguing. But thanks for the warning.OrangeMarlin 02:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

You're probably as tired of all this as I am, but things ratcheted up a bit since my previous comment, and further restrictions were placed on the editing of Chiropractic. Here's a brief quote from Talk:Chiropractic #Edit warring and arbitration restrictions:

"... from this point there will be no additional warnings issued. Any further actions deemed by an uninvolved administrator to be edit warring will be met with either a block or article ban."

It's not clear from this notice whether the intent is to enforce 1RR, 0RR, or some other variant. Eubulides (talk) 09:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Please do not add inflammatory unsourced content to articles as you did here; doing so is tendentious. If you honestly believe your edit to be an improvement, find reliable, neutral sources which support it. Thanks, Skomorokh 10:28, 26 December 2008 (UTC)