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Commemorative Coins Controversy

Jimbo. Your expertise is drastically needed at the above WP:ANI/Commemorative Coins Controversy. Policy issues need to be clearly defined, free of incumberment and in a way that is clear to all. Not all editors are being candid as to purpose and the truthfulness of interpretations as presented has to be called into question. This is an important issue and needs you guidance.--Buster7 (talk) 23:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Jimbo...I hope some reply of some kind is close at hand. This altercation has effected hundreds of articles.--Buster7 (talk) 11:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Effected? That's a lot of new articles. :D - Hordaland (talk) 13:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Effect as used here means "result". The effect of this controversy is to harm Misplaced Pages. Affect means to influence, to concern. Effect means to cause, produce, result in, bring about. The articles are not new. They are established. My count comes from the conversation of the editors involved. But...yeah....seems like alot. That's why I think Jimbo should get involved...(or is it envolved?????)--Buster7 (talk) 14:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

They're non-free images of coins. By our existing policy you may use them in articles about the coins. The problem, Buster7, is you are defending an editor who has been putting them in dozens of other articles, in clear violation of existing policy -- you do not need these images to illustrate the subject, be it Joseph Haydn or Maria Callas. (A secondary problem is that you are resorting to hyperbole and ad hominems, as in this now-archived rant, in which you attribute the consensus of multiple editors to remove those images to the inherent snootiness of opera article editors. You are actively harming your own campaign by such rhetoric.) If you wish to change the non-free image use policy, you may of course attempt to do so, but that's not so easy. Hope this helps, Antandrus (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Antandrus is right - but since at least one editor in this controversy seem to be unable to read the advice they have been given, I'll post it again here - this is nothing to do with copyright, it's nothing to do with spamming, and it's nothing to do with some imagined vendetta about the user involved. This is about Misplaced Pages's non-free image use policy. Every single one of the uses of coin images in articles that are not about the coins - unless that image is significantly or historically notable - fail our non-free image policies, which clearly state that such images should significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject of that article. Those involved have been politely and patiently informed of this issue, and some have chosen not to take notice of it, whether that be deliberately or not. Where such images are found in articles that are not about the coins (or a subject directly linked with the coins such as, say, an article on a mint, and even then there may be issues) they will be removed. Thanks, Black Kite 16:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Black Kite, Antandrus, where in the policy says, and quoting, "... clearly state that such images should significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject of that article ...", I am specifically questioning "... of the article ..." part. And I have said it several times already, if you are correct I will make the bot to remove every single instance of a coin image outside of articles that are not coins article. But it is not only me, there are several samples of editors adding those coins to their article and they do change the fair-use rationale. I had a very recent conversation with ElCobolla about this topic, and for I could see, he mentioned "... such images should significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject, in this case the coins. And once again, in this ANI case I am not talking about the content dispute, I am not talking about the "ilegal use" of the images, I am talkign about the way that three experienced editors teamed up to go against all my contributions, not only the image, but also the prose. then they later say that I should have asked for consensus to add that information ... what sort of 💕 is this from their angle then? Miguel.mateo (talk) 00:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

To quote exactly from the policy - WP:NFCC#8 - "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic". Of the topic of the article - not of the coins. As for the prose, as I said before, that's a content issue, and should be dealt with elsewhere (WP:3O or WP:DR might be a good place to start). Black Kite 00:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Black Kite, do you mind if we take this conversation to my talk page? Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 01:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Request civility block

is unacceptable piling on surely. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, dear Sir KB, if you've got issues with my civility in a thread which isn't about you, why not come and talk to me instead of running to teacher? However, you appear to have missed the irony of my post, which was directed at Bishonen, who can certainly take it.--Scott Mac (Doc) 10:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

It seemed to be directed at wikiuser100. Kittybrewster ☎ 10:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Then probably best if you'd asked me first, since you evidently didn't understand the exchange.--Scott Mac (Doc) 11:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I read your assertion. I think I understood it very well. You don't always reply to enquiries. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

COMPLAINT

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Investigation shows this to be a simple and standard case of block evasion and website self-promotion. WP:AGF is not a suicide pact, IP blocked by Gwen Gale. Guy (Help!) 09:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mr Wales

Forgive us if we break Misplaced Pages protocol and ask for a COMPLAINT to be dealt with by this medium. I am new to Misplaced Pages, and at 60 basically new to computers in general, because I have severe Aspergers Syndrome My son (who is also on the autistic spectrum) and I have worked very hard together to produce a website called THEDUCHYOFEFFENHAUER.COM and invite contribution for its enhancement, by having our own website and by putting it on Misplaced Pages in good faith. Within minutes it was disregared and we politely appealed gaving our reasons, BUT by receiving comments from your administrator of 'Yeah whatever you say...show me sources" and "if you be nice I might consider it" is a little too unreasonable. I should be grateful if you pass on this message to Orangemike and suggest a review of mind-set in properly representing Misplaced Pages. We can all make mistakes and I am willing to learn by them but being greeted by childishness is beyond acceptable conduct - even by your own standards.

Thank you

79.74.103.205 (talk) 14:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not clear what you mean by putting a website on Misplaced Pages. Did you create an article about it, and if so, under what title? Did you link to it, and if so, from where? Where did/do those comments that you don't like appear? Hoary (talk) 15:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, some links would be helpful. I do agree that it is not nice to say things like "Yeah whatever you say...show me sources," regardless of the circumstances.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

See User_talk:The_Duchy_of_Effenhauer and that account's deleted contribs. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's a direct link to the deleted article: The Duchy of Effenhauer. I don't see anything in User_talk:Accounting4Taste#The_Duchy_of_Effenhauer that suggests that Accounting4Taste said the "yeah whatever" and the "if you be nice" statements. either way (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, actually the "yeah whatever you say" line was said in this edit summary now that I look at it further. And I have to say, a speedy deletion based on "a possible hoax" and no reliable sources to confirm "startling assertions" does seem a little out of process to me. We don't speedy hoaxes or articles that lack sources. Those "startling assertions" would demonstrate notability, so we shouldn't be speedying based on that. either way (talk) 15:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

We speedy hoaxes as vandalism every day. Assertions must be believable, the more startling, lacking sources, the less believable. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I've told Accounting4Taste about this thread. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I haven't looked at it at all so I'm speaking only on general principles. I agree with Gwen Gale here that of course there are many cases where something is a possible hoax (or even a likely hoax) and assertions are startling and speedy is a sensible thing to do: "John Smith is the founder of the Moon, and the grandchild of Martin Luther and Martin Luther King.". An assertion of considerably notability, but also clearly a hoax. At the same time, it seems preferable to me to be as kind as we can under all circumstances (and we will all fail at this sometimes, being human), and avoid snark as a general rule. For trolls, it just thrills them in a way that mundane operations won't. And for people acting in good faith (though perhaps in error) it just is mean for no purpose. I am not criticizing anything in this current case, I should add, since I haven't really looked at it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, having looked further, this revision looks, on the whole, perfectly lovely to me. Yes, the remark in the summary "whatever you say" was a bit snarky, which is unfortunate, but it isn't so bad, and the actual text of the revision is very friendly and polite. And having reviewed the deleted article, well, yes, of course it should have been speedied.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking. Thanks for taking the time to look. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I have definitely learned from this to be considerably more restrained in anything I say in an edit summary; I know my emotions shouldn't come into it, and everything I do should be based on policy and assume good faith, but "we will all fail at this sometimes, being human". I'm human, and work almost entirely serving Misplaced Pages at new page patrol, where people's emotions are frequently engaged; I'd like to think that my record will show that I meet my own high standards most of the time. I also like to learn from my mistakes, so thanks to everyone who helped me do so. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you ALL for reviewing my complaint and the time you have given -much appreciated. To be honest its still as clear as mud to me but thats down to my total lack of 'know how'. I would still like to put my site onto your pages and would politely request anyone that has the time to email me and put me in the right direction I would be most thankful. A few knowledgable suggestion would be very useful. Just for the record H.M Department of Science & Technology has, as its central filing store a superb building complex in Earlsfield. South London and it is incombant for the department and others, to allow certain document out for public scutiny after a certain amount of years (50 in terms of secret WWII stuff - Operation Foxley, for example). The arrangemnt also allows for archive copies to be forwardwed to overseas governments where in most cases thay are published BEFORE those in the UK. In the case of the Duchy of Effenhauer that was probably the case. Only part of those files was sent to me because of my late Fathers persistance, position and registered inquiries over the years. My request was basically to enhance my website(THEDUCHYOFEFFENHAUER.COM) not to offend anyone, but to complete, if possible, the work done by him As I say if someone would like to share the journey. I would really appreciate it - even if only for my sons sake For the meantime thank you ALL again and rest assured its not too late to start learning at 60 Kind regards 79.74.103.205 (talk) 19:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

79.74 can I suggest you register an account as a first step? Kittybrewster ☎ 19:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Ms Kittybrewster for a most speedy reply - much appreciated. Not quite sure what you mean though, perhaps you might like to explain the benefits, if you have time. For the moment I wish you well and perhap you might like to look in yourself, to the work already done by Tom, my son. and I on our website and possibly tell us how to improve. Please note however that it is still being built - Kind regards 79.74.103.205 (talk) 20:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Until your website can meet the criteria outlined at Misplaced Pages:Notability (web), I'm afraid it won't likely have an article survive on Misplaced Pages. –xeno (talk) 20:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

IP, I'd strongly recommend listening to anything Kittybrewster says. As one of our leading experts on the nobility, and on sourcing articles on minor noble families – and someone who will generally always defend nobility-related articles on Misplaced Pages – if you're unable to convince him that this is a legitimate topic for us to be covering, you're unlikely to convince others. – iridescent 20:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

79.74, there are different issues here. So far as[REDACTED] is concerned you will get more encouragement and support or even mentoring if you build up a track record which includes having a registered account. I am conscious that you registered an account name that was blocked and you have been told why it was. Your posting here will not go down as well as building up a conversation on your registered talk page. I have also read your website and searched for independent reliable third party sources which might establish verifiability and notability. As yet I am far from persuaded any wiki page on it would survive. Kittybrewster ☎ 20:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you - most kind- excellent idea! I'll check with H.M. College of Arms here in London who are the font of all heraldic knowledge, pedigrees and knowledgable contacts. They were extraordinarily helpful when I petitioned for Arms, Crest and badge and banner for my late Mother and Father, and intail my own, and Tom, my sons, Arms. Henry Paston=Bedingfeld York Herald, is phenominal when it comes to that sort of thing. His good lady, who assist him, in chambers, is most charming and will probably oblige. Also, on thinking about it the archives of the City of London- I was granted Freedom of the City when I attained my Guild of Air Pilots and Air navigators Freedom. Copies of those those certificates are indeed available, but that is beside the point, why have the watery gravy when a giood size steak is on offer, so to speak. My contacts at Central Store will be first port of call, both can get into files and reference numbers without even a word. Many, many thanks and good pointers - well done! 79.74.103.205 (talk) 21:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Just a note of possible passing interest: I took a look at the Duchy's website on which certain unusual names appear ("Zaneklandrzymala Experazzard Verde family" and "Tom Sale") which, by way of Google, brought me back to Misplaced Pages and to the indef blocked users User:Andy Bjornovich and User:Tom Sayle and thus to the page . // BL \\ (talk) 21:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. and www.theduchyofeffenhauerjunior.com . Kittybrewster ☎ 22:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Another link, see also www.michaelsales.com and User:Mike Sales, who's listed in the same CU cited by Kb. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you and I note your information and can assure you it will be addressed first thing tomorrow morning. The names you bring to my notice and Tom Sayle are indeed my autistic son, a9atom SALES) and in my absense has been entering information I have expressly told him not to. Should you or any of your colleagues find unacceptable info elsewhere please let me know and I'll have words and get TOM off air. Oh dear - again I have been remiss not only to Misplaced Pages but to my own son. In the spirit of open co-operation I can let you know that a couple of months ago I spoke to Henry Paston-Bedingfeld (York Herald) on another matter and the subject of THE ORDER OF ST JOACHIM came up. (see the Misplaced Pages page) and as I understand it, it may have been recognised by the College of Arms and Burkes Peerage in Lord Nelsons day, but certainly does not exist today in that form. By name and historic fact yes, but a total nonsence blindfold, nevertheless, with no verifiable content whatsoever except their own spin. Apparently even its founder Helmut von Br (whatever)-Falkensee has again no verifiable background and therefore is questionable throuigfh uncertainty. Moreover, their charitable precepts appear to contain a gap in their returns to the Charity Commission. I will, as I say, make amends tomorrow morning, on Tom, but I seem to have opened a negative can of worms for him in trying to do the right thing for my Father. What a world!! Just a last though -the files I mention in THE DUCHY OF EFFENHAUER website that apprently come from Russian intelligence bear the name of the same department - I think, therefore, someone is having a mighty laugh at my expence - can I come back to you tomorrow, and thank you so much for being very much on the ball! Salute and kind regards 79.74.103.205 (talk) 23:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Nasdijj semi-protection

The Nasdijj article has been protected for 2 1/2 years, do you think we can try unprotection? (Cyde's comment indicated it was protected at your request). best, –xeno (talk) 17:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but please keep a close eye on it. It's only semi-protected, by the way, not protected.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and I shall. If BLP issues re-arise, I will re-apply semi (but with an expiry, and increase the expiry should they re-occur upon expiry). cheers, –xeno (talk) 23:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Question

This has just got removed by being a personal attack, when actually there is no evidence to support this and was actually just questioning your policy that everybody has the right to edit this website, when surely it would be better if the editors were contained to a strict few. So this is not a personal attack, so i've put it back, as i see no reason for it to get taken down in the first place and i want User: Jimbo Wales to answer, not one of his minions

In Great Britain, GCSE coursework has been stopped, because the government was worried students were getting the incorrect information, because it usually came from this website. Several students have used it as a reference point and got a poorer grade then they were expected to This has led to the government stopping coursework, which could have a dreadful effect on many students who struggle under exam conditions. Are you pleased that your website has ruined their future. Kind regards and please respond soon. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 16:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

Firstly, whilst your original message may not have been a personal attack, refering to every other editor on this website as one of Jimbo's "minions" is hardly the best way of starting a conversation in the hope of getting a respectful reply. In terms of your concern, Misplaced Pages is no different in this regard to Encyclopedia Brittanica or any other traditional paper enyclopedia; if a student from a previous generation simply copied an entry from an encyclopedia they would be marked down and rightly so. An encyclopedia is a starting point to find detail on a subject - students should use it as a tool and seek information from the references the encyclopedia has relied on - the primary or secondary sources. If children are not being educated on how to correctly use information tools that is not, in the nicest possible way, a failing of Misplaced Pages. Pedro :  Chat  16:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Coursework is being stopped FYI. Just it is being reformed :) Computerjoe's talk 16:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

But why is saying 'minion' a bad way to start a conversation with Jimbo Wales, seeing as he can't be one of the 'minion' i was talking about. Also my concern is that student aren't directly copying this, but rather using it as a source and getting incorrect information and don't have the time to check all the sources,as they have short time limit. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

Then they use the sources directly. If they have time to read through WP they have time to read through the sources. Just because they don't know the difference between an encyclopedia and primary sources doesn't mean this is worse than any other resource. -- Mentifisto 16:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Every single Misplaced Pages article contains a prominent link to this page. You might want to read it. We try to be accurate, but with 6,943,614 articles, we're not going to be perfect. For what it's worth, our accuracy figures are roughly on a par with Encyclopedia Britannica's. – iridescent 16:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all, can i get an answer from user:jimbo wales only please. Secondly all the information is on Misplaced Pages, false or otherwise and not all of it is on the sources. And i do appreciate that this website makes some mistakes, but that is surely why there should be only a small and trusted number of editors. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 16:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

If there was a small and 'trusted' number of editors WP wouldn't have 1/4 of the articles it has, and wouldn't be as well-known, thus invalidating the idea in the first place. -- Mentifisto 16:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but it would be more trusted and probably a lot more accurate. i think we can all agree though that Misplaced Pages is too easy to edit. You don't even need to log in. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 16:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

That's the main idea behind it y'know. Personally I honestly don't think it would be more accurate because I'd more likely not trust a small cabal of users just editing an encyclopedia (like Brittanica, which is also commercial and may have such ambitions not necessarily for the sake of knowledge) who may have personal motivations than a load of users each taking care of their articles like in a round table. -- Mentifisto 17:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow, my first post has certainly inflamed a lot of comment, but not from the person i want. I'm starting to wonder if he still logs on to this site. You may not trust a small number of editors, but with everybody allowed to edit, Misplaced Pages has gained such a terrible reputation that i believe it is one of the main reasons why coursework has been stopped in the UK. Surely its time for a policy change and only Jimbo Wales can answer that properly, so that is why i want a response from him.

If Misplaced Pages had such a terrible reputation, we wouldn't be one of the most highly-viewed websites on the Internet. –Juliancolton 17:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Firstly, you said that "not all of it is on the sources", if you see information that's not from the sources cited please remove it or flag is as un-sourced per WP:V and WP:CITE. Misplaced Pages is not a place for original research (including Synthesis) and should contain no non-obvious un-sourced information. Secondly, yes Jimbo still logs in, give him a chance, I'm sure he doesn't spend his entire day refreshing his talk page ;). Thirdly, the community usually dictates policy, not Jimbo. -- M2Ys4U 17:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

What i mean by that comment is that the information is in the sources, it is just stretched out over many different ones, and it is extremely difficult to search through all of them, because as you know, sometimes there can be over a hundred sources in just one article. Also, if the community dictates policy, does Jimbo actually have any power anymore. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 17:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

Please don't sidetrack this into a conversation about "Jimbo's Power" - I assume you are here at this talk page with a concern about children's education and not Jimbo Wales and his involvement on Misplaced Pages. Pedro :  Chat  17:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

You're right and i'm just patiently waiting for a response. (17:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

Jimbo shouldn't have to reply to people who have got both their facts and reasoning wrong. That's what his 'minions' are for. So...the newspaper article you provided as evidence on your talk page does not mention Misplaced Pages anywhere, and anyway the point made in it was that the internet was making it too easy to cheat, not that the information was wrong. Hadrian89 (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I have given my reasons as to why examiners think students are cheating, in one of my earlier message's. Please read through them more carefully. I also think that we'll let Jimbo be the judge of wherever he responds to a question or not. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

This discussion is continued at BH900's talk page. Hadrian89 (talk) 18:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for a response though from jimmy wales. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 18:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

Your opinion about Fair use

Hello, Jimmy Wales. You can't know me, I'm just an wikipedian that discovered your userpage. Well, the english[REDACTED] adopted the fair use, a law in the United States that anyone can show an image without comercial uses, or distributing it (I think, obviously, you knew that). The Portuguese Misplaced Pages didn't adopted this. There was a voting and, for a difference of 8 persons, the fair use was not adopted. I know you cannot do anything, but I just wanna your opinion about that, because there's persons who don't want to adopt the fair use that say: "The fair use would remove the concept of 'free' in the Misplaced Pages." What do you think? Is this correct?

Please, message me back in my talk page in the Portuguese Misplaced Pages (clicking here).

Raafael (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Since Jimbo hasn't posted lately, I'll post an earlier reply from him about fair use (I assume his position hasn't changed) – "Yes, I think most of those should be deleted. Take a look at Elvis for some great examples. Iconic album covers? I would grudgingly say OK. Concert pictures? No way. That's ridiculous. There must be millions of these out there in people's photo albums. We should be asking the public for help in finding them." – iridescent 22:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Press Release requested.

We're about to hit 100 featured sounds on English Misplaced Pages. Is there any chance of getting a press release to announce this milestone, and to encourage participation in finding more? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

100 'featured sounds' doesn't really sound all that great. Prodego 23:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, if we want sounds on Misplaced Pages - somethinng Misplaced Pages could do well, but traditional encyclopedias cannot - we need to encourage people to contribute sounds. A press release would go a long way towards making it clear that Misplaced Pages wants more of these, and potentially result in the release of parts of commercial recordings or the like under a free licence to encourage people to seek out the rest. Given that there has, as yet, been no foundation support for sounds - they aren't even mentioned, as I recall, in the press releases about the increase in upload size, or any other commentary on that line, which have concentrated solely on pictures and video - hell, there's not even been a site message, I think 100 sounds shows excellent initiative from all involved. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 23:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Why different wikipedias for different languages? There should be one Misplaced Pages!

Why are there different wikipedias for different languages? It makes more sense to have a single Misplaced Pages translated/translateable into multiple languages, that way there is not a large English-language[REDACTED] and smaller Spanish-language[REDACTED] for example, and new articles and changes to existing articles in one language could then translate to all other languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.124.176.176 (talk) 06:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Um, well, the other Wikipedias are free to translate articles, bt there are only a certain number of multi-lingual people. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 07:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that not only the other Wikipedias are free to translate articles, but we are also free to (and even encouraged to) translate articles from other Wikipedias, since they often have much better and more articles on local subjects. In the end, all Wikipedias could become nearly identical, but we currently lack the manpower to do so. Fram (talk) 07:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Political censorship

I haven't posted at this talk page before, but....it would mean a lot to me, Mr. Wales, if you would comment (pro or con) at this RFC. IMO, the RFC touches on a core issue at Misplaced Pages, namely censorship. I hope you can drop by. Thanks.Ferrylodge (talk) 16:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping by. I've responded there.Ferrylodge (talk) 17:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I see neither a contrib by Jimmy on the talk page you linked to, nor do I see a contrib by Jimmy at all today. Are you perhaps confusing contributions, Ferrylodge? KillerChihuahua 18:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I was addressing "Shoemaker's Holiday." If "Jimbo Wales" would please comment at the RFC too, that would be much appreciated. My apologies if I got the two mixed up.Ferrylodge (talk) 18:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for inviting me, but I prefer not to comment directly on that discussion. In general, I will simply restate the obvious: imagery in articles is often one of the most attractive points for POV-pushing of all kinds, for a couple of reasons. (1) Images can have a strong emotional impact, thus making implicitly a point that would not be possible to make in the text. (2) Images are often "either/or" with no easy way to work for consensus. My own perspective is that many of our articles have needlessly graphic photos inserted either by POV-pushers or by people who are borderline trolling... seeing what they can get away with.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 19:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)