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anyone who wants to work on this complex of article, I'll be glad to help. Time we got to the pseudo-psychology. DGG (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
try Eisner in The death of psychotherapy, Chapter 3 "Cathartic Therapies:From Primal to est". A little out of date but .... Fainites 22:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I tried on this, & only very partially succeeded. DGG (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Medical Articles

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Request for Arbitration

If you are here to read about all of the Wiki-drama surrounding the secret hearings (so secret that no one on the ArbCom knew about them apparently), you can read it here. No editing allowed. One day this will be funny. I hope.

Why Complementary and alternative medicine is pure bullshit

The fundamental intellectual flaw of “CAM” as a concept is that it is made to include modalities that are extremely diverse, even mutually contradictory, under one umbrella. Very deliberately modalities which are scientific and mainstream, like the proper use of nutrition, are often included under the CAM umbrella by proponents in order to make it seem like CAM is a bigger phenomenon than it actually is, and as a wedge to open the door for the more pseudoscientific modalities.Steven Novella

There is no alternative medicine. There is only scientifically proven, evidence-based medicine supported by solid data or unproven medicine, for which scientific evidence is lacking. Whether a therapeutic practice is “Eastern” or “Western,” is unconventional or mainstream, or involves mind-body techniques or molecular genetics is largely irrelevant except for historical purposes and cultural interest…Fontanarosa PB, Lundberg GD (1998). "Alternative medicine meets science". JAMA. 280 (18): 1618–9. PMID 9820267. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Edmontosaurus

Hi, OM;

Any interest in having a look at Edmontosaurus? It's a refreshing, low-controversy alternative to the everyday Wiki experience, but on the other hand it's not exactly a stub, either. J. Spencer (talk) 17:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

A low-controversy article????? NOOOOOOO. I read it over, and I'm not sure what I can add. I'm guessing it's ready for a nice FAC process! OrangeMarlin 21:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the read! If you think of anything later, I'm planning on waiting until after Deinosuchus has had its day at FAC before submitting. J. Spencer (talk) 00:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

ALCAT

Thanks for stepping up, I was getting a bit fatigued with the topic.LeadSongDog (talk) 16:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Who put in all this cruft? Unpublished letters? Abstracts from meetings where it was clear the article was never published? HUH? OrangeMarlin 16:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Mea summa culpa. A lot of it started at this and this list of papers from what look like reliable sources though the copies are hosted on a COI site. Because the bibliographic data on those lists was spotty, I brought much of it in as a work-in-progress, while looking for more reliable published versions and refining the citations. Many of them on the list turned out to be in reliable journals indexed on Medline. Some of the other journals not on Medline are supposedly on EMBASE, but I don't have access to check.LeadSongDog (talk) 16:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry. Some of the "letters" were unpublished correspondence between various individuals. I also ran across a letter that Pridgeon (is that his name?) wrote to the South African medical society or something. He quotes these things. OrangeMarlin 16:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, User:Dr John Pridgeon has much the same list. He says he's behind ALCATSA.LeadSongDog (talk) 17:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
COI, I suppose! OrangeMarlin 17:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Cardiology task force

Hi, i see you are a very active user, and for that i ask you for help to support me in starting the task force as the cardiology articles needs allot of working, and many articles are missing, please if you are interested to support me or help, do that on the proposal page Maen. K. A. (talk) 17:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

MichaelCPrice

The continual sniping at Talk:Orthomolecular medicine is really boring and counterproductive to actually building an encyclopedia. There are enough editors there that it should be possible for the two of you mostly to shun interacting with each other without negatively impacting discussion. Would you be willing to try this? - Eldereft (cont.) 18:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Ummm?????? HUH????? I haven't been uncivil to him. And you know I can be quite uncivil whenever I feel like it. How about someone blocking him for a week or so. OrangeMarlin 03:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
You have not been unCIVIL, but neither have you been particularly collegial. While I argued for your interpretation of MEDRS over that of MCP, I doubt that offering to mentor them in the guideline will be taken well; I am no sort of sociologist, that is just my impression. I am not asking you to smile and kowtow to insufficient sourcing - that would be dumb (I also think that willful abuse of sources should be blockable, but that is my own bit of fringe). Look at it this way - if a drive-by admin sees those personal attacks and no response, they are much more likely not to write it off as a problem with both editors.
Then again, MCP already rejected my request, so big whatever. I wonder if there is anything interesting from those new personal comment redacted editors with whose interpretations of sourcing and weight I tend to disagree. - Eldereft (cont.) 19:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm collegial to those who don't try to push ideas that are bad for human health. You and I (and many others) edit for the long-term, and eventually the CAM-cruft pushers will disappear. And they'll be replaced by others, I know. MCP does not get or understand or even care about NPOV, RS, MEDRS, and/or anything else that makes a good article. I'm trying to help him, and it was in good faith. I'm hoping he's just misguided. OrangeMarlin 20:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Pyroluria

While I am here, if you get a chance could you check out my merge of Pyroluria to Orthomolecular psychiatry to make sure I covered all the salient points in proportion due to their prominence? - Eldereft (cont.) 18:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Troll food missing an ingredient

I guess it's missing a "no"... :-) Cacycle (talk) 03:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

answer

Most people say yes or no.Prussian725 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

It's clear he doesn't want to talk to you, and I'd recommend you let it go. If you have something pertinent to say about an article, say it on the article's talk page. OM has a lot of pages that he has to deal with as a medical expert; he doesn't have the time or the inclination to debate with every creationist that desires it. Aunt Entropy (talk) 18:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
You should read what Prussian says about science. You're right, if I debated every irrational creationist comment, I'd have to clone myself. OrangeMarlin 19:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
If you diluted yourself x100 thirty three times, each dose would be more powerful!!! . . dave souza, talk 20:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I offended anybody, I really wasn't trying to pick a fight.Prussian725 (talk) 20:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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