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- Mailer Diablo 03:09, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Giants-Dodgers Rivalry

That's what the rivalry should say, not "S.F. Giants vs. L.A. Dodgers". It should follow the informal "standard" used with these: Yankees-Red Sox Rivalry and White Sox-Cubs rivalry. I think some anon set it up that way. I will probably move it sometime in the next few days, if no one else does. d:) Wahkeenah 17:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Any objections to renaming the article? Wahkeenah 13:51, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Dodgers

Great work on the Dodgers article. Keep it up! --Dysepsion 07:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I find the wording confusing. Moses' plan was not "realized" until 1964, when Shea Stadium was opened. And the Mets themselves were not Moses' plan as such, just the ballpark... in conjunction with the 1964-65 World's Fair, whose plan was also Moses', as I recall, and of which Shea Stadium was a part, albeit on the other side of the tracks from it. Wahkeenah 18:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks good now. :) Wahkeenah 05:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Vin Scully

I didn't write that part. I saw it, and wondered what the point was. Scully's not an independent commentator. He's paid by the ball club. They hand him a script that talks about upcoming games, he's expected to read it. End of story. Anyone who didn't know about the impending strike was an "ignoranimous". And right up to the last day, people were at least hopeful it could be averted. So I think whoever wrote that either has something against Vin Scully or more likely wasn't around at the time and doesn't know that the strike was not necessarily a foregone conclusion. Wahkeenah 05:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if I was unclear, but I meant to address the second part of that message to the user who had added that paragraph. I agree with your assessment, and would not mind if you wanted to remove it. --Tisco 05:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I realized that later. It was late after a long working weekend. :) Regarding the Scully comments you beat me to it, and that's fine. And you improved the stuff I added about the ballparks and the nicknames. Good work.

Ithaca, NY. Don't they have a waterfall there, possibly right on campus? Wahkeenah 11:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Playoff Appearances

One down and twenty-nine to go. That user "FPAtl" took it upon himself to do that redundant entry on every one of the major league baseball sites. Wahkeenah 17:17, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

DYK controversy

Hi. I've never really been involved in any decency/censorship debate before; I just got drawn into this one accidentally because I have Talk:Main page on my watchlist and I pretty regularly check the main page for poorly-worded entries. I don't actually care that much about the issue, I just get annoyed by smug self-righteousness (which where decency/censorship is concerned can be found on both sides of the debate). If you want to start a policy discussion on Talk:Main page you can try; but I doubt you'll get anywhere. Cheers. Doops | talk 19:06, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Cheese edit

"...although an alternate source for "cheesy" may be the practice of "saying 'cheese'" (see below) while smiling for a photograph — an essentially phony act."

That sounds good and I like it; do you have a source? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't. In fact, it was an original thought of my own, occurring to me as I contemplated my son's "cheesy" smile in pictures. I've seen a website or two in which the smelly cheese theory is proposed, but it seems to me that they're guessing as much as I am. --Tisco 01:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

That's too bad. I took it out, per Misplaced Pages:No original research. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Conceded that my theory is only common-sense speculation, with no scholarly backing, but is the smelly theory any different? The answer may be yes, but I'm interested in it. All I find on Google is some guy who may or may not know what he's talking about, and admits that the answer is uncertain. If I wrote a non-Misplaced Pages page of my own with my theory, would it no longer be unpublished research? I won't try to revert, but I'm curious. --Tisco 05:48, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I came across the smelly theory here , in the linguistic page cited at the end of the paragraph. The answers to your questions, I think, are subtle arguments involving good-faith attempts to really not do original research. It's true that I can't claim the page I'm pointing to has solid scholarly backing or proof (hence the waffle-word "might" in the Cheese article). But I didn't have any theory in mind regarding the origin of cheesy when I came across that page; I wasn't fishing to justify a personally-held theory. (I was actually researching "Big Cheese" at the time) and so I felt that it was reasonable to include that information in the article; the source certainly seemed to be more of an expert on slang than myself.

Putting your own page out there and then citing it would, intuitively, be a bad-faith act unless if you did some heavy research and cited some primary sources in that page, or if that page were (somehow) to go through scholarly or scientific peer-review (something unlikely to happen for this topic, I admit.) Then you also get into the topic of what kind of things are "valid" sources - a quagmire in shades of gray that tries to judge the authority of a particular site, magazine, or book.

Even when you are writing something perfectly obvious to yourself in wikipedia, it's always better to find (and cite) a source. One reason is to impress everyone else around here :-) Another reason is to fact-check. And a third reason, my favorite, is that you can learn a lot doing the research.

Sort of an aside, but it occurred to me that it should be researchable at least whether the slang "cheesy" was in use before or after "say cheese." If before, it immediately discredits the say cheese theory as the primary etymology. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. --Tisco 00:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)