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Wiel Arets

Wiel Arets (Heerlen, 14 mei 1955) is a Dutch architect. He graduated from the TU Eindhoven in 1983. In the following year he started his own firm, Wiel Arets architect & associates, in Heerlen. He prefers simple and abstract compositions. His palet is very sparse and he prefers black and white (including for his own clothes; he usually dresses in black).

His main claim to fame is his design for the Academie voor Beeldende Kunsten in Maastricht; his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek in Utrecht is also praised. With Jo Coenen he collaborated in the restauration of the glaspaleis in his birthplace Heerlen, and designed a number of pharmacies (?) in the south of the Netherlands. In Hapert he designed a complete Medisch Centrum (Oude Provinciale weg 81/Lindenstraat Hapert). The form language of neo-modernisme is combined with an abstract, placid aesthetic. His favorite building material is the glass brick.

Awards

In 2005, Wiel Arets received the BNA-Kubus, the oldest award for architecture in the Netherlands. The jury appreciated the remarkable quality of his work and praises his extraordinary contribution to architecture. The Kubus is awarded annually since 1965; previous winners include Herman Hertzberger, Wim Quist, Jo Coenen, Jo van den Broek, Benthem Crouwel and Hubert-Jan Henket, and Wessel de Jonge.

Also in 2005 Arets received the Rietveldprijs for his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek on De Uithof in Utrecht, which came with a check for 7500 euro. The Stichting Rietveldprijs awards the prize every other year to an architect who builds a remarkable building in Utrecht. Past winners include Koen van Velsen, Mart van Schijndel, and Rem Koolhaas.

References

This apparently has something to do with a thread on this page...

Signing so this will be archived. Gracias Drmies for translation. Although the pharmacies issue makes me wonder whether you are really Dutch? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It was about time you had one of these

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For special merits in Dragon breeding.

Irony

Steely

Goldie!

Gary Kendall and Notability

I thought his notability was fairly well established through the number of awards he has won, but I will endeavour to be more persuasive here.

Dreadarthur (talk) 19:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

An article on the Maple Blues Award might be nice. That article needs citations to substantial indpendent coverage from reliable sources. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I have tried to add enough to the page so that the notability caution can hopefully be removed. Would you please check to see if you agree. Many thanks in advance.

Dreadarthur (talk) 21:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi

:)

Answer

There is a debate (within WP:Baseball, of which I am not a member) about the notability of baseball players if they have not played in a major league (US, China, Japan or Korea). Some editors say that anything (it may vary) from A to AAA is considered inherently notable. There is an editor who is mass creating minor league players and some of them went to AfD, some didn't. I was keeping tabs on it, but he is creating them faster than I am able to keep up (busy here these days). Anyway there was a not fully adopted policy at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines that didn't include minor league players as fully professional (given the salaries at that level I would agree) and that players who had not played in a major league (listed above) need to pass the GNG in order to be considered notable enough to have a page. I agree with that, I am not a big fan of "so and so passes this policy so they are notable enough to have a page" since all content added is supposed to be reliably sourced anyway, which would allow them to pass the general notability guidelines, making that point moot. So anyway that is where I was keeping tabs of the pages that went to AfD, didn't go and new pages created, which is not current. Also (speaking of AfD) it looks like Mies, Dr. is being accused of canvasing !voters at Bacon mania by offering them uncooked bacon at an AfD...when did Misplaced Pages lose its sense of humour?--kelapstick (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Bacon is serious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, I was just dropping by to say that it became clear to me you all had seen my bribe. I apologize for "larding up the discussion," as someone phrased it. Shall I strike through the whole picture? As an act of penance, my kid and I had soft-boiled eggs for breakfast and falafel for dinner--in many ways, the opposites of bacon. And I realize (maybe you saw Aleta's talk page) that I should not have offered raw bacon, but it seemed to me that "cooked to order" would be understood. I always cook to order! (But not steak well-done, that's anathema.) Thanks to both of you for sticking up for me. When I pop my Statin tonight, I'll dedicate it to you. Drmies (talk) 23:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Unless you seriously plan on making good on your bribes, I wouldn't worry about striking it out. But feel free to send some bacon my way.--kelapstick (talk) 07:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought the bacon bribe on the AfD itself was funny and was not canvassing. If he'd gone initially to my talk page and posted it, that would have been canvassing. I trust my disgusted reply to the raw bacon made it clear that I took it with the humor intended, even if some other editors did not. LadyofShalott 01:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

important question

Do you think my edit summary in this dif is enough to add it to WP:Food and drink?--kelapstick (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Are there any edible mushrooms down in the mine? Bats with garlic are a tasty snack as I recall from one of Crocodile Dundee's movies. What do the Ninja Turtles eat by the way? The actual turtles not the miners. I notice you didn't have time to finish up the DYK nom but have had plenty of time to save some mine article. Tsk tsk tsk. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought you already completed the DYK nom...--kelapstick (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

"You better put up that hook, I am finally seeing some headway in my workload here but won't be able to be active for a while." Ummm hmmm. Priorities Kelapstick. Priorities. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I have a short attention spa...--kelapstick (talk) 20:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for looking after my user page. QueenofBattle (talk) 20:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

RfA

Just a reminder, you have not formally accepted it on the RfA page. --DougsTech (talk) 01:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Midnight, what takes you so long to formally accept your RfA and transclude it to the main stage? Since you asked DougsTech to nominate you, please proceed. (I can't wait to see fun things on your RfA)--Caspian blue 03:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

It will be one for the books Caspian...--kelapstick (talk) 03:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you both for these strenuous expressions of confidence. I know I can count on you guys and all your sock and meat puppets for support, so I figure I'm halfway home already. I hope you don't mind if I wait until the a.m., though, when I'm a bit more awake. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Every one of my sock puppets is at your disposal.--kelapstick (talk) 03:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, socks can vote too? Great! Thanks! Drmies (talk) 04:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

As we say in Chicago, vote early and often! Waiting till morning is good, as it will allow time for writing some new material, and shopping for eggs, tomatoes, etc. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 07:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Funny. Now, I have a couple questions. If you didn't think the the indefinite block of Ax and CEN were appropriate, why not speak up? Wouldn't your pointing out that it's best to block difficult editors for substantial violations rather than trivial errors in judgement have been scored in your favor? As it is now, you look like someone who goads, baits and messes around, but is MIA when the other editors involved get caught. Taking a more principled approach would also lend credibility to your position that the gamesmanship is just you joking with these editors and that you're not going out of your way to cause trouble, disrupt, and perhaps get them in over their heads. I wonder if you'd be willing to provide an explanation of your true motives and reasoning? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Midnight, while you've been answering and questioning to various editors (including editors with no previous interaction before) today, you don't have any time to step up for your RfA that you ardently requested to Doug? Saying "yes, I accept the nomination" and transcluding it would just take less than one minute. Honestly, I think you're enjoying the situation turning into a game. April Fools' Day past 10 days ago.--Caspian blue 23:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of it that way Casp. My thinking was just the opposite: that since the nom discussion some issues and questions and discussions have arisen, and I don't think I will have time to deal with them if and when the RfA kicks into high gear. So I was trying to wrap up the loose ends before the "big show". Sorry about that, I definitely see your point. I just felt that once the RfA started I wouldn't have time for any of these other things, so I wanted to finish what I started first before putting a giant new pile on stuff on my plate. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I also need some time to read up on it all to make sure I'm prepared. And there are currently quite a few RfAs so I thought it might be good to wait a bit. But perhaps it doesn't matter. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if my comment sounded too accusatory, but I felt absurd at the fact that some people, especially hypocritical ones who chronically have violated NPA, NPOV, OWN, etc but accused you of violating the policies are biting you and the candidacy off more than enough. So letting it done seems to be due, but in the current situation, holding it for a while would be a smart idea. I honestly, had no intention to support you at first, but well, things get funny. So let's see. Take time as long as time you need to run. Good luck.--Caspian blue 00:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

New Rochelle

In response to your query, the situation with New Rochelle relates to the fact that there is an extremely prolific sockpuppeteer who has a strong interest in New Rochelle (and also Sarah Lawrence College). This is the main user page; that user is banned, and there have almost 300 confirmed socks, plus a couple dozen suspected socks, and numerous IPs (including many open proxies). There are 18 WP:SSP cases, 15 WP:RFCU cases, and about 11 reports at WP:SPI. Much of the content added by these socks (both text and images) looks excellent at first glance, but on closer examination there are many problems. It turns out that the sourcing has been falsified to some degree -- and over time much of the material has been confirmed to be copyvio from some source that is NOT cited in the article. (I think much of the rest of the content is also copyvio material, but we have not yet run across the source.)

Over a year ago I stumbled into the case after I did a new page patrol on a New Rochelle article and tried to interact with a user who I thought was a clueless but enthusiastic newbie -- but who turned out to be a sockpuppet. I have continued to watch articles associated with the case, I have become very familiar with the "fingerprints" of the socks, and I've submitted a lot of sockpuppet reports and requested deletion of a lot of articles and images from this banned user.

The allegations that I'm behaving badly arise from the socks' practice of posting messages on talk pages complaining that they are innocent New Rochelle citizens who have been mistakenly targeted by sockpuppets and are being persecuted by specific users (I am currently the target of choice) who have erroneously identified them as sockpuppets. Recently Doncram (and to a lesser extent a couple of other users) has been taken in by these plaintive messages and has caused a lot of wikidrama aimed at ending what he perceives to be Orlady's persecution of New Rochelle. I, on the other hand, believe that all that pointless wikidrama is fulfilling the vandal's objective of disrupting Misplaced Pages. Contrary to Doncram's suspicion that innocent people are being targeted, some signature behaviors of the socks have not changed over the last year and each new batch of socks has been confirmed by checkuser (most of the active checkusers and several former checkusers are familiar with the case).

There's plenty of additional history of this case on various pages related to Jvolkblum and New Rochelle. --Orlady (talk) 02:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, no legitimate editors have been caught up in the case. There were a couple times when I was surprised that a checkuser process (sweeping for sleepers) had identified a particular user as a sock (because I had previously determined that the user was probably legitimate), but subsequently I found that some of their edits were characteristic of the Jvolkblum product. Doncram is particularly sympathetic to User:Erin cali70; the first time checkuser was run on Erin cali70, the result was negative, but a later checkuser process came back as "confirmed", and recently when I did a cleanup of Leland Castle (an Erin cali70 creation) I was convinced that I was looking at the work of Jvolkblum. --Orlady (talk) 02:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

re: Post at Doug's

Hi COM. To be perfectly honest - I like what you're doing. ;). In fact, I don't even have a problem with Doug (you can find a couple of my posts on this topic in the AN thread regarding the ban). I admire your full speed ahead attitude, your devotion to your beliefs, and your boldness in pursuit of your desired results, regardless of work and resistance involved. I wish you the best ;) — Ched :  ?  02:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I think I responded on your page. Or at least I meant to Ched. I'm happy to see you haning around and as best I can tell you're having fun. Keep up the good work. Make sure to come by the Barney Frank and Barrack Obama articles for more good times. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bacon mania

On April 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bacon mania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 07:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

That is so great! Congrats CoM. I don't know if you use Facebook or not, but bacon is completely the rage on there as well. I'm such an ego maniac because I look at the article just to see my bacon on my Target plate. _shoot! 17:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Law. Thanks for the comment and for your photos. Anyone who is willing to undertake the risks involved in making and eating something as dangerous as Snickers salad, just so Misplaced Pages's article can be properly illustrated, is a true hero. Bacon mania's a survival (so far) of our stringent article vetting process is a ray of sunshine and induces hopefulness that the reign of oppression and the terror of censorship may finally be ending for bacon lovers across the land.

I'm rooting for you in your Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Law, but I'm hesitant to weigh in for fear that my influence might do more to sway voters against you rather than for you (the association and company you keep argument). But I think you're a terrific editor with just the right approach and the reasonable demeanor and good judgement to be a sensational Admin. A lot of people will tell you that my roaming free here is a clear indicator that we need more Admins to do the work required to keep Misplaced Pages safe for children and small animals, and I couldn't agree more. We need some Law around these parts. In fact, I don't think Drmies even wants to be an Admin, but he's thinking of running just so he can block me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Why isn't ego maniac an article? Yesterday I discovered there's no rubbernecking on Misplaced Pages (it's just a redirect) and now this! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Egomania redirects to egotism. LadyofShalott 18:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I am an expert on ego mania and the maniacs who practice it. I think it's well worth an article. Any ideas on whose visage to use for illustration purposes? :)

The 25 DYK Medal

		The 25 DYK Medal
		For thy excellent WP:DYK contributions on various interesting topics related to food, architecture, music, U.S politics etc, I, Caspian blue, hereby award ChildofMidnight The 25 DYK Medal. Thy innovative and creative approach to food subjects have given Wikifoodies a great deal of amusement! Thy devotion to building up "Bacon Nation" on Misplaced Pages as creating and editing Chocolate covered bacon, Bacon Explosion, Chicken fried bacon, Clams casino and many others is noteworthy and inspirational as well. Sometimes, thy continuous contribution to niche food makes me so hungry and curious enough to think of making mysterious dishes at midnight! So Keep up your contributions to DYK! Caspian blue 19:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I think this could be a good badge for your RfA show! --Caspian blue 19:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoa! I demand a recount!!! I don't think I've done that many, and if I have, I certainly need to get out more. Thanks Caspian. Much appreciated. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

1. Rachel Hirschfeld (attorney)
2. Bill Scott (author)
3. Burnt Hair Records
4. Bush ballad
5. Square milk jug
6. Poppy seed
7. West 8
8. Kees Christiaanse
9. Fashion Architecture Taste
10. African American candidates for president of the United States
11. Black president in popular culture (United States)
12. Bacon Explosion
13. Dessert bars
14. Alan Scott (blacksmith)
15. Chicken fried bacon
16. Sauerbruch Hutton
17. Holiday Bowl (building)
18. Armet & Davis
19. Chocolate covered bacon
20. Versailles Cuban restaurant
21. Florida State Fair
22. MBM (architecture firm)
23. Polkagris
24. Clams casino
25. Woodman's of Essex
26. Lawrence Woodman
27. Bacon mania

Here are your DYKs. Why don't you create User:ChildofMidnight/DYK for managing your glorious DYK badges on one place? :D --Caspian blue 19:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Oldie but a goody...

I agree this is totally ridiculous, I can't imagine a serious argument that Tina Turner isn't an icon. It also seems preposterous that anyone would argue that her article should start with the same first sentence as one for an American Idol contestant or some other aspiring starlet with a new record deal. It's absurd is what it is. I'm sorry I haven't had more time to devote to the discussion here of why irrelevancies should be kept out of lead sentences while the most significant and accurate descriptors should be included, but I've had to fix the leads of other articles (GA and FA if you can believe it!!!) and I've been working on other projects. I hope you'll all join me in trying to make the encyclopedia the best possible. Please read wp:lead so we're all on the same page as far as policy goes. If an RfC or other outside involvement is necessary to get this issue resolved, that is certainly welcome development. I can't do all the work myself after all. (Old comment reposted, with a slight tweak made after the fact, as the editing process is one of continuous improvement...) ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess I should explain that this comment was part of an older editing effort that came up in a discussion today. So I went back and reviewed the old discussions. I made some big mistakes and didn't start out on the best footing. But I did think this comment was sort of funny. Perhaps I'm the only one. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

If Tina Turner is an icon than Micheal Jackson is a businessman...or something like that.--kelapstick (talk) 23:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Tina Turner is a religious work of art? Well, I suppose she might be. Good luck in the RfA. Jonathunder (talk) 13:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jona. You're a real superstar. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

RfA continued

Give me the hard sell. What are you doing, why, and what benefit would you bring to the project as an admin?--Tznkai (talk) 22:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not big on the hard sell I'm afraid. Are you so excited about my nom that you can't wait for the official process? :) It seems you're not the only one. B-Ball Bugs might be willing to pick up some extra fruit for you if you're interested...

The hard sell would have entailed avoiding areas where editing and article improvements require entering into disagreements and disputes. I am no angel, but I have done so with good faith and the highest regard for the encyclopedia. I think it's important to have an Admin body that is representative of the community and that includes article contributors who are willing to take on difficult tasks. I also think diversity is important in a community. I think I may bring alternative perspectives to the Admin role and I think that can be useful. As far as the specifics, I intend to have a focused role as Admin and to limit my efforts to areas where I am most competent. I would certainly answer any Call of Duty (a great game by the way), but I think there are enough people in the community that it's okay to have some specialization. I don't want my plumber fixing my computer. So if you're hoping for a SuperAdmin that wields the mop like some kind of professional janitorial service, you may be disappointed. But if you welcome Admins who are sympathetic to the difficulties faced by new editors, who will make an extra effort to work with editors interested in content and viewpoints that aren't widely supported, and someone who's fair and will uphold Misplaced Pages's guidelines and values with the highest standards, I'm your guy. Is it necessary to be an Admin to do those things? Not necessarily, but there are areas such as on new page patrol, helping move deleted articles to user space when appropriate, dealing with AfDs etc. where my skill set would be helpful.

I'm not sure I've answered your question very well, but maybe it would be best wait for the actual nom to go forward so I can get into appropriate detail and cover all the bases. It takes some time to respond fully (with as much clarity and conciseness as I can muster) and I think there may be others who want the same questions answered. But if there's anything else you want to know or clarifications I need to make, I'm certainly willing to respond.

See that? A (potential) Admin who's willing to go out of their way to be there when called upon. What more could you ask for? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm curious, lets say that much, and I believe that you, like everyone else, deserves a fair-shake. You've gone about the RfA process in a peculiar way, and I hear your thoughts on the matter. Well, good luck. I rarely participate in RfA, but you might prove interesting enough to get me to vote.--Tznkai (talk) 23:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Please take a look:

Please check http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Hot_Rod_Girls_Save_the_World_.jpg Did I do it correctly? Schmidt, 01:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

You did fine, and thank you. When I rechecked, I realized I had forgotten the licensing and copyright bit, and have since added it. Have a great weekend! Schmidt, 01:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Weird, isn't it?

Yeah, I don't get it with that user. The contribution was pure, unreferenced band vanity. Weird, just weird. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• Might have been me, but it looks as if you've earned a barnstar from another user! I second the motion. Looks like the little Grawpie groupies are kind of bored on a Friday, so I'll head back to new user patrolling. Talk to you soon! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Guidance Barnstar
		For outstanding and ever-present guidance provided to other less experienced Wikipedians, and serving as an example for improving the project! You have my sincere thanks! Schmidt, 01:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Rainbow Cookies

Hey, thanks! I didn't know about the dubious tag. :) Luminifer (talk) 05:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Very welcome. Thanks for the note. I am an expert on all things dubious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Best of luck

Best of luck with whatever goes down while I am at Legoland. I won't be terribly active, but I will be checking in to see what is happening. The doctor has been good enough to punch up Moose A. Moose for me, he (the moose) sings this great song, Days are the Sunniest or something like that, every once and a while. Anyway if you are looking for something a little more on the lighthearted side, a DYK nom would be great for that by the time I get back to the real world Wednesday! (If you can find enough to expand it to 1500 characters...but I suppose you have enough on your plate).--kelapstick (talk) 05:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

We used to make all kinds of space ships with our legos. I think Star Wars was big back then. I'm less into the castles and other fixed designs where they can't be interchanged and reformed into innovative structural creations. Also, I don't think the legs of the horses moved. I could never figure out tinker-toys, they always seemed cool but I couldn't make much out of them. Same with Lincoln logs. But I had quite a lot of fun with capsula oops, I'll leave them to Mies, Dr., I mean Are you a betting man? Capsela. Have a great time. Don't worry about me. But if things turn ugly I'd like my ashes scattered at sea, or perhaps in a mountain stream. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I will take a look at the Moose article when I get a chance. Sounds important. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

We made it to Carlsbad, 9 hours later, neat drive though. We make a Lincoln Log at Christmas as a desert, chocolate wafer cookies with whip cream between and on the top and sides, easy and tasty. Always a hit. Will keep you posted, don't let the man get you down, unless your RfA passes, in which case, you would be the man...eerie...--kelapstick (talk) 03:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Have a great time. Thanks for the report and for thinking of us back here on the interweb. :) Did you have to go anywhere near Vegas? I guess I need to look at a map. Anyway, if you're a betting man, the odds are long but there could be a huge payout...ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Child, if you can drag yourself away from your steak tacos and the RfA, have another look at the Moose--you were right, it does sound important, and it is! I've done as much as I can do, I think, but it needs a couple more sentences (I think--I don't know how to do a word count on WP) for DYK regulations... Take care! Drmies (talk) 16:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Glorified Rice category

I have taken Glorified rice out of the non-existent Minnesota Cuisine category and placed it in the Minnesotan cuisine one. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

How dare you!!! Oops, I mean thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Timing

Hey ChildofMidnight. Don't worry about timing on your RfA - that should be reset automatically when you actually make your RfA live, and if it doesn't for some reason I'll make sure it's reset. And no, you're under no time constraint for when you start. FlyingToaster 22:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Grawpie groupies...

...taste yucky. Just so ya know.  :)) Of course, with tomorrow being Easter and all, I may indulge in a chocolate bunny and think of those little dweebs as I bite off the ears. Oh da yum! Anyway, thanks for the laugh. You're one of the good ones. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Hi ChildofMidnight. Nothing major really, just noticed your note on the RfA talk page about proceeding perhaps as early next week. I wanted to get in a "good luck" note to you before things got ... ahhh.... time consuming. Also wanted to wish you a happy Easter. As far as your comment "...there is no compulsion to participate or to watch. :)" ... a pack of wild dogs couldn't keep me away from this one. ;). Anyway, have a good weekend/holiday. — Ched :  ?  03:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC) (hmmmm ... thinking back .. I need to stop back over at Stick candy and that dutch oven article, see what ever became of those items.)

Thanks very much Ched. A pack of wild dogs is what I'm worried about. :) No personal attack intended and description used for metaphorical purposes only... ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I am under the impression that you share my more conservative political views; but, to be honest, that won't be the reason that I will !vote Strong Support should you decide to go ahead with the RfA. Don't ever worry about my being offended, either by metaphors, humor, or even bluntness. While I may not be quite as vocal as you on many issues, I do indeed share your viewpoints more often than not. I may have voted in support for Bugs in his RfA, that doesn't mean I share his political opinions or beliefs, it simply means that I felt he wouldn't abuse the extra couple functions that "admin" would have given him. I love humor, I'm a patriotic American, a Christian, and I strongly favor the foxnews viewpoints over those of MSNBC. I'll never consider anything you say, to me, or about me, to be a personal attack (short of calling me a fool or an idiot), so don't ever worry about that. (way too many commas in that last sentence ;)). Best of luck in what ever way you proceed. ;) — Ched :  ?  12:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Ched. Like most people I am conservative on some views, liberal on others, libertarian here and there, and communist and socialist in some of my values and opinions. I am an environmentalist, I support civil rights and equal rights. I believe in equal opportunity. I try to avoid discussing my politics and my particular viewpoints, because they aren't relevant to editing here. The beauty of our guidelines and our policies is that it shouldn't matter what perspectives people bring to editing, all viewpoints are supposed to be represented with appropriate weight and based on notability and proper sourcing. Where I have come across an editor or editors who are not abiding by our guidelines and who are obstructing, disrupting, harassing, and abusing our processes, I have tried to address those issues as best I can, despite the negative light it will cast on me as some kind of troublemaker. I have clearly made many mistakes and gotten frustrated at times, and for that I apologize. But I edit here in god faith and I think Misplaced Pages should be fun. I don't hold grudges and I welcome collaboration with any editor whatever their viewpoint. Thank you for your comments. Sorry to speechify, but I'm uncomfortable with political labels and the teaming up that sometimes seems to take place here, I know that's not what you are suggesting, but I just wanted to be clear. I would rather be judged on the merits of my edits rather than any perceived political position. Clearly I have tried to improve areas where I think our coverage is slanted or fails to be inclusive, but I am in no way interested in biasing our coverage or waging some kind of partisan campaign. We shouldn't ever have to choose sides here, and should be free to agree and disagree on the merits of individual edits and particulat content disputes accodring to our guidelines which maintain no political bias as far as I can tell. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You're absolutely correct. An obvious case of subconscious WP:SYN — Ched :  ?  13:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

On behalf of the Kindness campaign, I just wanted to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Happy Easter! Sincerely, --A Nobody 05:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

No joke!

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Awarded to Child of Midnight for his continued dedication to Misplaced Pages, expressed in the generation of new content and their enthusiastic support of other Wikipedians' efforts to improve the encyclopedia--even in non-bacon related matters; and all is done in very good spirits. Drmies (talk) 16:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: ANI

ChildofMidnight, I am really troubled and very surprised that you and Ben are arguing, I respect both of you so much. Maybe there is someway to negotiate this? Ikip (talk) 16:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

There are one or two Wikipedians who have used a series of ANI reports to harass and attempt to intimidate someone with whom they are in a content dispute. Their accusations have been dismissed repeatedly now, and even their point of view on the content in dispute has been discredited, but they continue to try and smear me. I have no idea who Ben is. (oops. I was confused.) But I'm happy to work with anyone who is willing to abide by Misplaced Pages's guidelines and acts in good faith. I have long suggested an RfC or other reasonable measures to resolve the dispute. Cheers. Your thread title seems to me a bit unusual and perhaps provocative. But if there's a particular instance or issue where you think I have acted improperly, I welcome your input. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know all the issues, nor do I want to be dragged into an argument between two editors I respect, I just am sad to see what is happening. I changed the title, sorry. Ikip (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ikip. Sorry if I came across as defensive. A lot of barbs seem to be coming my way, and I'm getting a little paranoid. Do I need to be concerned about the voices in my head? :) Thanks for your comments and concern. I think you are referring to Banjeboi Benjiboi? Or is Ben someone else? As far as Banjeboi Benjiboi is concerned, I think he has gotten caught up in the dispute, but I haven't seen any evidence of bad faith or malicious intent on his part. There are some emotions and frustrations on all sides and I think he's approaching the situation from a perspective that sympathizes with the other side of the content dispute. Because he disagree with me on the content issues involved, he's inclined to take a position alongside those who disagree with me. This is laudable to a certain extent, and I don't have any problem with editors who don't see things my way. Where there are clear instances of inappropriate and disruptive behavior, however, I think he may not be sensitive to the effect of the disruption and how it's poinsoned the well of civil discussion adn collegiality. If you read the comments posted carefully, I think you will see that those approaching the situation impartially have concluded that I haven't acted inappropriately, that it's a content dispute at its core (and my positions are more than reasonable) and that if there has been abuse that it has for the most part not been initiated and conducted on my part, but on the part of one or two of the editors attacking me. For my part, I see that I have been frustrated and emotional at times, and that while this is understandable given the circumstance (I'm only human), I need to redouble my efforts to communicate in a way that is careful and prudent. I am on a roll of long winded comments today. But hopefully I can get back to making short quips and doing more editing soon enough. :) Thanks again Ikip. I appreciate your interest and I really am sorry if I was a bit bitey. I just wasn't sure where you were coming from. There have been reports against me one after the other after the other, and it seem clear the intent is to throw enough mud that I can't avoid being smeared no matter how much restraint I show. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• Oops. I see that that editor's screen name is Benjiboi. For some reason I keep thinking it's Banjiboi. Sorry again Ikip. I hope you had a great weekend. Enjoy your spring. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Shark fin soup

Hey, have you ever tried the Chinese delicacy, shark fin soup before? I think you may have it given your enthusiasm for rare foods. Until the introduction to the world by Chinese, who would guess that the hideous fish with big teeth and jaw have the tender, yummy and chewy part inside? I once ate a dish of shark fresh which tasted like craps and had a strong odor but the soup is really good. Though I seldom venture unfamiliar dishes, but when I was little, my mom had me eat all kinds of weird things for tranditonal medicine (BUT I have not eaten any dish made of dog meat, especially "wild dogs" :D). --Caspian blue 18:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I think I may have had something called shark's fin soup when I was younger, but I'm not really sure if there was any shark in it. I think the name may have been more a reference to astyle of soup than an indication of ingredients (like dragon and phoenix which is ummm I can't remember now, a lobster and chicken dish I believe?). The harvesting and eating of shark's fin is very controversial, and I think I'm in enough hot water already without delving into another contentious issue. Is it okay if I sidestep this issue (my dance moves are notoriously bad so I may trip), and note that fried grasshoppers are excellent. I had occasion to swim with some sharks once. I was in S.E. Asia and I was snorkeling and all of a sudden there was one of those one's with leopard spots (reef shark? I forget the name now). It wasn't very big, but needless to say my eyes got very big and I couldn't understand why it didn't swim away. Most animals seem shy at the presence of humans, and those that aren't seem to have gone largely MIA (the buffalo and Dodo bird come to mind). I swam around more cautiously for a while, always keeping an eye out, and it would circle below and to the side of me in and out of view. Then all the fish started becoming even more aggresive and even nipping at me. I started to get a bit freaked out, because there was a shark swimming around and all these fish swimming around me and I didn't want it to get confused or pass from my sight. I couldn't figure out what was going on until I looked above the surface of the water and saw there was a tourist boat tossing fish food all over the place and causing the feeding frenzy. I took leave of the situation, but I still have my memories of my shark encounter and an interesting perspective on the interactions between humans and animals. Coral reefs are awesoem and I hope everyone has an opportunity to see one at some point in their life. Just don't sidestep onto a sea urchin. And watch out for stinging jellyfish. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

What an interesting story. You might've been freaked out by the shark's advance. Beautiful places or things sometimes accompany with something dangerous just like roses' thorns or sharks at beautiful sea. I'm curious as to whether it contains any metaphor in reply to mine with some though. In an episode of Lost, sea urchin is used in place for medical needles and in Korean cuisine, jellyfish is eaten as a salad . :) -Caspian blue 19:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I love language, writing and all of its artful components including metaphors, hidden meanings, poetry, and ambiguity. I'm less enthusiastic about spelling. I have had occasion to eat sea urchin and jellyfish. I'm not a fan of either. I've always had a taste for squid though. I love chewing on suckers. :) Uh oh. Another dubious possibly metaphorical statement that could be misinterpreted. See the trouble you're getting me into! Maybe I should stick to raw foods or go Vegan. Although it hasn't helped endear you to one of other comrades... Until I traveled abroad I thougth you could eat just about anything in New York. But I was very wrong. And things taste different in various contexts. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

True, according to context, meanings can be changed and open interpretation is possible. My message can be very subtle, but well, I think you get it quite well in regard to this word. I love your boldness although politics is not my interest, but well do not worry about sharks too much. Ah, you're also very inspirational because I'm gonna create the Korean jellyfish salad which is one of my favorite dish seasoned with mustard and vinegar. That is quite good and eaten at wedding feast. --Caspian blue 19:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, everyone or every creature can not be "happy together" at the "same time". If sharks bite humans or smaller fish, only sharks will be happy. likewise, shark fin soup is actually the result of shark's death. Well, as for Veganism, I think eating vegetables is not much different from eating meat. Both are once "living creatures". --Caspian blue 19:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

As an aside, I once got stung by a jellyfish in Costa Rica, it is not much fun, so I welcome anyone who is willing to rid the ocean of one by eating it. I also had shark this weekend, it was alright, but I still prefer salmon or trout.--kelapstick (talk) 05:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I had shark fin soup once. It was at a fancy schmancy place, and ironically it cost me several fins. Baseball Bugs carrots 13:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

E-mail

For most of my time on Misplaced Pages I had my e-mail function turned off. An editor asked me to turn it on so they could contact me. I have done so. I use an alternate e-mail account and I don't check it regularly, but I do check it and read the notes I receive. I'm a bit of a purist and I think there's something noble about handling my "business" in a transparent manner on Wiki. Perhaps this is silly and naive, but I've been called worse. If anyone contacts me vie e-mail, I will receive their messages, but I will not reply. I apologize if this seems rude or inappropriate. Maybe I will change my mind some day, and I am open to being told how wrong I am about this approach to communications. Maybe it would be better to just turn it off alltogether? I don't know. I've seen the dark side of using off-wiki communications and I happen to like the idea of people knowing that I am not coordinating with anyone. I want all of my work here to be readily apparent. I seem to have become involved in disputes of a partisan character, but I am not interested in being on anyone's side, I'm on everyone's side. I want Misplaced Pages to be fun and I hope that every editor feels that their opinions matter and that they are a valued member of the community. I also don't want anyone to feel ganged up on and I think it's important that we treat those with minority viewpoints with special care and sensitivity. I admire those who attempt to be fair and impartial, and to treat every editor here with the utmost respect and assumptions of good faith as our guidelines indicate. I am generally very impressed with the professionalism and competence of my fellow editors. You are all doing a great job. This is an amazing resource and it seems to me to be getting better all the time. I have made many mistakes, and I recognize the need for some course corrections. I will take into account the areas where I need to do better and continue to give my best effort. Thank you to those who have taken the time to comment and communicate with me on and off Misplaced Pages. I hope that I have treated you all fairly and with appropriate respect. Please let me know if you have any concerns or suggestions. Thanks again. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Obama articles

Hey. Due to the earlier ANI thread as well as frequent mentions in Wikidemon's evidence, I added you as a party to this case. It's not too big a deal, as I'm being liberal with adding people as I go through the evidence. Wizardman 18:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

In regards to your question, delving into some of the history might be good to help see if this is a user-based problem or an article-based problem, and what to d about it depending on which case it is. So adding in your evidence would probably be a good idea. As for Scjessey, since i believe he's the most frequent Obama talk page editor, adding him would probably make sense. Wizardman 19:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey CoM, I reverted your addition of Scjessey because (I believe) one of the clerks or ArbCom members is suppose to do it when deemed appropriate. This was just my assumption based on the big bureaucratic hodge-podge that is the process. If I was wrong, it will eventually (and surely) get re-added with no harm done. Grsz 02:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah no worries Grsz. My mistake. I saw your edit summary and read the article header and it says I'm not supposed to change it. I moved it to the talk page and then moved it to the workshop talk page (after seeing that it's supposed to be posted there?). Hopefully I'll figure it all out eventually. :) Thanks for the note. I hope you had a happy Easter. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Your apology

Apology accepted. I understand how difficult it can get down in the trenches. I was only acting in good faith by blocking an editor who I believed had violated our policy on edit warring. I hope we can work together amiably in the future. Best of luck in the future RfA, by the way. Regards, Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 03:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

some idiot

some idiot nominated a subpage for deletion. see User:Daniel Christensen/Dynamat/ Daniel Christensen (talk) 04:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

More "evidence" for you

I've just been reading your absolutely hilarious "evidence" of my "inappropriate comments and behavior" at ArbCom. You really need to develop a better technique for negative spin, because you have utterly failed to make my harmless edits look bad. Attempts to misrepresent good Wikipedians in this way will do you no favors in getting adminship. The one that particularly made me roar with laughter was where you claim I " good faith edits in edit summaries", and then linked to a diff of me reverting one of your many drive-by article taggings. Well, I fervently hope that you link to this comment as another example of my "inappropriate comments." Pretty please! -- Scjessey (talk) 01:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Sal's

Any particular sandwich you'd suggest? :) Luminifer (talk) 03:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip -- I'd been meaning to get up to that area some time to check it out - I've barely ever been to the Bronx. This may encourage me. I'm glad that something (else) good will come out of this 'rainbow cookies' headache, at least ;) Thanks again for your mediating (or whatever you want to call it). I'm tempted to just ask some of the bakers next time I'm back in Brooklyn, but how on earth would I cite that... ;)Luminifer (talk) 04:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

No idea - I'll ask around... There are still good places in Bensonhurst (Gino's Foccaceria serves an excellent vastedda - that's a spleen sandwich), but there isn't much the way of normal sandwiches that I know of. Italian food in New York is changing, though, possibly partly due to Mario Batali's old-world Italian influence (a lot of places are moving away from the more Americanized tomato-sauce type stuff, for instance). (I have no idea how long you've been gone. heh). Luminifer (talk) 04:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Barack Obama (disambiguation)

I have nominated Barack Obama (disambiguation), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama (disambiguation). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Scjessey (talk) 14:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Article was moved to List of articles related to Barack Obama. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

re: List of articles related to Barack Obama

Heh, missed that because of the link name. Anyways, thanks for letting me know, I've changed my vote. - Kingpin13 (talk) 16:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Well I actually changed my vote to putting this into the templates/a template since it would be nice to get this info from every page rather then having to go to one. Cheers - Kingpin13 (talk) 16:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I suggest you place that on the AfD page, almost swayed me :). ( no problem ;) ) - Kingpin13 (talk) 16:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link

Thanks for the link. My concern is that portions of the entry as it now stands constitute political posturing, and there is much in the recent history to indicate that that might indeed be the case. I will ensure that my next edit will be up to standards. Zulurox (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

please revert due to inaccuracies This is why you're fat

Hi there,

The information in this post is inaccurate. As the co-creator of this site and co-author of the book, I have all of the up to date information regarding our respective ages (which is listed incorrectly), our professional affiliations and the latest information regarding our book deal and tv development -- also listed incorrectly.

We would appreciate it if this listing was reverted to the previously edited version. If you require additional proof of these inaccuracies I can supply them.

I look forward to hearing from you soon, Jessica— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessamason (talk • contribs) 19:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The ages probably shouldn't be in the article anyway, since they are not static (you do age right?), and would have to be updated every year (usually in biographies there is a template where you enter the birthdate and it updates it for you.) As for affiliations, and TV/book development etc. you need to reliable sources that are independent(I am not saying that you are unreliable, but you are not independent). Keep in mind that Misplaced Pages strives for verifiability, not truth.--kelapstick (talk) 19:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to change the age notation to work in that the site was started by individuals in their 20s, if I can figure out how. I think it's notable to that extent. Kelapstick is Canadian, so his aversion to truth is understandable. As an American, yes I said AMERICAN, I embrace truth with both arms. The way to demonstrate truth is to provide documentation in reliable independent sources, as Kelapstick indicates. I'm going to take the liberty of reposting the suggestions made here on the article talk page in case anyone else is interested. Finally, if Jessica wants to apologize for creating a website that accuses me of being fat (I prefer to think of myself as stocky), that would be appreciated. :) For the record, I do not age. Thanks for asking. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for This is why you're fat

On April 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article This is why you're fat, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 00:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

New Wrestling Association

What?--WillC 01:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

From first glance it doesn't seem notable but there is no sources and no information in the article so I can't be sure if it is or not. Notability is established on reliable sources. If the entire article can be sourced with reliable sources then it is notable. But if it can't, then it isn't notable.--WillC 01:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

–Drilnoth (T • C • L) 02:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Break-in records

This writeup doesn't exactly define it, but you can infer what it means - that they have this dialogue going on and frequently "break in(to)" the dialogue with these little snippets of songs. Baseball Bugs carrots 03:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk page behavior

You damn well know that this is inappropriate. Please don't do anything like this again. Grsz 03:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Really? How do you figure fixing obvious mistakes like that is inappropriate? You meant to say "objects" instead of "objections"? And what exactly is a "soapy box"?

I'm also curious how your aggressive edit summary and threatening post here complies with our guidelines on assuming good faith. Do tell!

Rest assured I will not mess with your reversion of my spelling corrections. Maintaining mistakes and errors is a serious business on Misplaced Pages. I heard someone was banned for similar editing violations!

In fact, if you're lucky, I will soon be topic banned so you won't have to worry about my pesky insistence on pointing out inaccuracies and inappropriate imbalances that violate our guidelines in the article either. So please don't report me to ANI. I'm sure my well intentioned edits correcting a fellow editor's text will cast further aspersions on my good faith efforts to improve the encyclopedia in a collegial manner. No good deed goes unpunished as they say. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I don't care how un-good my grammer may be, don't change others comments on a talk page, it's as simple as that. You've been around long enough to know that pushes buttons. If it bothers you, ignore it. It's not what you changed, it's the issue in principle. Grsz 03:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

ChildofMidnight, you should not have to be told at this point not to edit others' talkpage comments. Simple copyedits they may have been, but you need not do them. LadyofShalott 03:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Rest assured I will never again dare to copy-edit any of Grsz's comments. I will continue to extend this courtesy to other editors, however, and I hope they will do the same for me. Not everyone on Misplaced Pages is a prick. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoa there, son. Changing other peoples' comments is forbidden, unless those comments themselves are a violation of the rules - which misspellings ain't. Baseball Bugs carrots 04:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Charming. Grsz 04:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This is no way to treat a lady, but it is your own talk page so I guess you can do what you like here. -- Scjessey (talk) 04:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This was just slap-in-the-face disruption. It's a shame you're taking this route. Grsz 04:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Is there an echo in here? -- Scjessey (talk) 04:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

You can say that again. :) Here's a guy who thinks he wants to be an admin, and doesn't even know basic rules here. Baseball Bugs carrots 04:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Bugs & others, but there is no prohibition on editing other editors' talk page contributions. Please read Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines#Editing comments. There is a prohibition on editing other editors' talk pages to change the meaning, or striking out other editors' comments. While editors should "exercise caution", and fixing typos is not a specifically referenced example of an appropriate sort of edit to other editors' talk page comments (and it is pointed out that some editors find such behavior irritating), it is certainly not prohibited. Many users (such as CoM and myself) are generally grateful if someone fixes nits or more significant (obvious) errors in talk page comments, provided the meaning isn't altered. And by the way, the referenced guideline is just that a guideline, not a policy. So really, I think you all should simmer down. Bongomatic 04:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

True, but it is still considered by many to be extremely annoying and rude. Also, this edit did change the meaning of the comment. The original meaning was a subtle rebuke, but after CoM's edit it was considerably sanitized. This is clearly demonstrated by the the lady putting her foot down. -- Scjessey (talk) 04:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not defending every action of any editor. My point is that

• The following (initial) comment is unnecessarily inflammatory and not supportable by guideline or policy: "You damn well know that this is inappropriate."
• The following comment is inflammatory and wrong (and condescending, too, "son"): "Whoa there, son. Changing other peoples' comments is forbidden, unless those comments themselves are a violation of the rules - which misspellings ain't."
• The following comment is inflammatory and not supported by events: "Here's a guy who ... doesn't even know basic rules here."

The original change that Grsz11 objected to was obviously in good faith. There are more appropriate ways to indicate irritation with such edits, and the piling on by others is overblown. If people spent as much time editing the encyclopedia as getting hot under the collar, the project would be improved. Bongomatic 04:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC) Scjessey, I hope you're not irritated that I removed a colon from your previous comment on this talk page—if you feel so moved to revert, please be so kind as to add one to each of the paragraphs of this post.

As I understand it, and as has always been explained in disputes such as this.. a user is free to blank, remove and/or archive his/her own talk page. A user is not, however, allowed to refactor another user's comments, even on a user's own talk page. I see no spelling corrections in this particular edit, as not a single word removed by CoM was mis-spelled. Good faith edit maybe, but against Wikiquette and aside from that, it wreaks of rudeness, common decency and respect. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ 05:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Depends what you mean by "misspelled". Just because "objects" is a word doesn't mean it's not a misspelling of "objections", and just because "soapy" is a word doesn't mean it is not a mis-spelling of "soap" (if you disagree, please go change the wording of WP:SOAP to read "soapy box" everywhere "soap box" is currently referenced). In this context, it is beyond clear that the other words were intended, making the original words misspellings (or if you don't like that use of misspell, then "typos"). Also, I think you mean "reeks", but I am loath to correct your talk page comment. I do agree that correcting minor errors that can only make the original editor look sloppy reeks "of common decency and respect", something that should be commended, not abhorred. Bongomatic 05:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Courtesy

As one of my fellow editors has noted, showing courtesy and assuming good faith is important and is a basic tenet of editing on Misplaced Pages. I could have made a snide comment about another editor's mistakes, instead I quietly made a minor edit correcting some obvious typos. I know I make lots of grammar and spelling mistakes, and I'm always thankful when another editor takes the time to fix them. This seems like the most basic of courtesies to me, but I understand that angry rabble rousers who are up to no good may take even well intentioned actions as slights.

I would also like to point out that posting lots of inane rantings on an editor's talk page with whom you are in a dispute is downright rude. At least have the decency to make your point and move on.

Finally, grammar has two As.

I would kindly request that editors who don't want their spelling and obvious grammar errors fixed please refrain from posting on my talk page. Persons with this attitude strike me as being uncurious riff-raff, and anyone who chooses to wallow in ignorance is unworthy of my time. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

To see it from another point of view, correcting someone's typos is putting a bit of an emphasis on their mistakes, and whether it be intentional or not, someone suspected of having done it intentionally can hardly be trusted to deny it honestly.

Regardless, don't you think it would be a better show of good faith if your post up there wasn't filled with insinuations? It would do your cause more good than harm if you make it clear with every action that you put the encyclopedia's needs above petty and hopefully temporary disputes. --Raijinili (talk) 19:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't disagree more that "correcting someone's typos is putting a bit of an emphasis on their mistakes". This has it absolutely backwards. Correcting mistakes eliminates them, it doesn't highlight them. As to the second part of that statement, your premise seems to be based on an assumption of bad faith, instead of an assumption of good faith, which is what our guidelines require. I'm not sure which editors you've been working with, but this misunderstanding of our policies is deeply troubling.

As to your second point, I haven't attempted to insinuate anything. I always try to be as clear as possible while abiding by our guidelines, which are rendered by community consensus! My focus is always on improving the encyclopedia which is why I have been so clear in objecting to the actions of obstructionist and disruptive editors. They need to abide by our guidelines, and I'm sure they can be reigned in if an admin is willing to do what it takes. Thanks for your comments, I hope I have answered your questions. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Warning

This was a personal attack against one of the nicest and most patient people on this site. Don't do it again. Got it? No need to reply. APK is ready for the tourists to leave 05:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This is another rude and presumptuous comment by a poor reader. Clear enough? No need to reply. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Here are all of my comments reposted. Hopefully this counters this individual's mistaken impression. I have omitted the other editor's responses as a courtesy.

Just so we're clear (Thread title)

Regarding: "Simple copyedits they may have been, but you need not do them."

I understood this to mean, although they were simple copyedits, I didn't need to make them (ie. they weren't necessary). Given your response to my correction, I think you may have meant to say: I need to avoid making them (ie need to NOT do them)? I'm sorry I misunderstood. The grammar is off in that sentence and I was confused. Sorry my effort to fix it didn't work out and I'm sorry for the confusion.

As far as correcting typos, I hesitate to name names but there are numerous editors (including admins) who appreciate these corrections being made. I'm just one of the rogue editors who tries to help out. This is a wiki after all and we're meant to collaborate. So showing common courtesy and decency towards one another is a good thing. Assuming good faith is also a key guideline. No need to leave further messages on my page thanks, I've had quite enough from you and your gang of bobbleheads. Thank you very much. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

(comment omitted as a courtesy)

My dear lady, I'm afraid the meaning of your statement wasn't clear. I suspect most readers will understand it to mean what I thought it did. "Need not do them" is not the same as "do not do them". Perhaps I am just tripped up by some sort of Olde English. I will continue to assume good faith and show courtesy to my fellow editors. But I have noted your objections. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I've had quite enough from you and your gang of bobbleheads. So you're saying APK is wrong in pointing out this personal attack? Or are you saying it wasn't a personal attack? - ✰ALLST☆R✰ 06:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Clearly he's wrong. There was no personal attack on her. And referring to a gaggle of wind bags who come to my page to harass me as bobbleheads is well within policy. Thanks. No need to reply further. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Now you're referring to her and others as "a gaggle of wind bags". Consider this your final warning. APK is ready for the tourists to leave 06:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Again, you are incorrect. As I've repeatedly made clear, I am referring to those editors hovering around my talk page and posting harassing and unnecessary comments as wind bags and bobbleheads. I have made no such accusation towards the editor you're talking about. I'm not sure if English is your first language, but I think my statements are fairly clear. I suggest you drop it and move on to something productive. I haven't encountered you before, but you seem to huff a lot without taking the time to consider what you're saying. That's not an impressive quality and doesn't make a great first impression. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

• As a courtesy to you, I am notifying you of this ANI thread I have started. Thanks. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ 06:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Your second one of the day. Your first attempt didn't go so well as I recall. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Update 0-2 on inane reports. Your first one complaining about improvements to an article at AfD was roundly rejected, and your mistaken belief that there is a prohibition on copy-editing has also been dismissed in the second. You haven't quite caught up to Wikidemon on the abusive reporting front, but you're well on your way. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

A deletion review discussion you may wish to contribute to.

Hi. I've listed two deleted articles at Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review, following the discussion on "lists of unusual things" which took place earlier in the year. As a contributor to that discussion, you might be interested in expressing an opinion on whether the two deleted articles should be restored. SP-KP (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)