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| *This section should be reviewed for a discrepancy between sources. The article states that Dot became pregnant in 1962, and miscarried in July of that year. The citation is from Spitz' and , and his citation in the book is from an interview he did with Dot Rhone. However, in the Beatlegirls online interview/article she is very specific that the year she got pregant was 1960. The discrepancy is significant because Spitz concludes that Paul was heartless and brutal, breaking up with Dot right after she miscarried. There is no question that the break-up was in July 1962, but very questionable about whether she had just miscarried. Both sources specify that Dot was 17 at the time she got pregnant. Therefore Dot would have to have been 14 years old when she started dating Paul in 1959. Since she was old enough to be going to clubs to see the boys perform, and because we're talking about the very unliberated 1950's, it seems very doubtful that Dot would have been that young when she started dating Paul. Paul was 17 in 1959. It seems much more reasonable that Dot was 16 or 17 when she started the relationship. She also details, in the online interview, how Paul brought her flowers in the hospital and was very considerate to her after the miscarriage. Although the wedding was called off, they continued to date. I found Spitz to be inaccurate on a number of other things (as all the Beatles books seem to be) so even though his footnotes are plentiful and impressive, I believe a mistake was made in this case. At the very least, it should not be presented as a fact until the discrepancy can be resolved.] (]) 17:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)CassNJ | |||
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Revision as of 17:02, 21 April 2009
Sections and general tasks
- Copyedit for flow, quality of prose, wikilinks (preferably with the help of a good editor who hasn't worked on the article); do an AWB cleanup (wikify dates, rm redundant repeated wikilinks); act on/remove any remaining HTML comments. At the end, some refs might be convertible to "passim". Also, if possible, it would be great to go through some other books e.g. on The Beatles or alternative texts on McCartney and "double cite" as appropriate, or note any discrepancies. Then the article will be as solid as a rock.
- Songwriting and musicianship: We have the background info, but do we need more from later years and more commentary on styles, influences etc.?
- Sections:
- What happened to the text on the Ram/Imagine episode? I thought I'd put some in?
- Paul_McCartney#1990s: Stub section. "Theme" of decade? Declining sales?
- 2000s: "Theme" of decade? Critical rejuvanation on the back of successful tours?
- Paul_McCartney#Lifestyle: Intro possibly a bit longer
- Paul_McCartney#Discography: Perhaps needs a paragraph of prose? Needs formatting.
- Images needed/wanted: Free or appropriate fair use images of Jane Asher,
Linda McCartney, Heather Mills McCartney. (The image of George Harrison might have to be replaced too). - Wings and solo samples needed.
- How about an equipment section, including photos and documents regarding his use of the Hofner, Rickenbacker & (later on) Wal 5-string basses? Also, what model is the Gibson Firebird on the cover of Ram. Current and favorite equipment.
- ABOVE LIST NEEDS TO BE CHECKED AND COMPLETED ITEMS REMOVED
RELATIONSHIP WITH DOT RHONE
- This section should be reviewed for a discrepancy between sources. The article states that Dot became pregnant in 1962, and miscarried in July of that year. The citation is from Spitz' and , and his citation in the book is from an interview he did with Dot Rhone. However, in the Beatlegirls online interview/article she is very specific that the year she got pregant was 1960. The discrepancy is significant because Spitz concludes that Paul was heartless and brutal, breaking up with Dot right after she miscarried. There is no question that the break-up was in July 1962, but very questionable about whether she had just miscarried. Both sources specify that Dot was 17 at the time she got pregnant. Therefore Dot would have to have been 14 years old when she started dating Paul in 1959. Since she was old enough to be going to clubs to see the boys perform, and because we're talking about the very unliberated 1950's, it seems very doubtful that Dot would have been that young when she started dating Paul. Paul was 17 in 1959. It seems much more reasonable that Dot was 16 or 17 when she started the relationship. She also details, in the online interview, how Paul brought her flowers in the hospital and was very considerate to her after the miscarriage. Although the wedding was called off, they continued to date. I found Spitz to be inaccurate on a number of other things (as all the Beatles books seem to be) so even though his footnotes are plentiful and impressive, I believe a mistake was made in this case. At the very least, it should not be presented as a fact until the discrepancy can be resolved.CassNJ (talk) 17:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)CassNJ
Specific issues - citations, troublesome sentences, etc.
- Number of concerts: "McCartney has played 2,523 gigs with The Beatles, 140 with Wings, and 325 as a solo artist." The Beatles toured from 1960-1966. 2523/6 = 420.5 concerts per year. Impossible. I also find it very hard to believe that Paul has only played 465 concerts since the Beatles broke up. I know these figures are from a BBC news page, but they are clearly wrong. (The number of gigs with the Beatles would include the ones with the Quarrymen and the gigs they played in Hamburg and around the Liverpool area - often they would do 3 concerts a day - see The Complete Beatles Chronicle by Mark Lewisohn.)
- expand this to-do section with the HTML comments in the article