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== Removal of undisputed tags ==

Fischer said time and time again that he was still world champion since he never lost a world title match. It is therefor laughable to say that Karpov was ever the undisputed world champion, sure he was undisputed FIDE champion but not the undisputed world champion. If anyone wants to discuss this matter then lets talk about it otherwise the undisputed tags will go down soon without further discussion.--] (]) 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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About his peak Elo rating: it can't be 2725 - I remember him having a higher grade than that, and Chessbase says he was at 2780 in 1994 . I guess that's his peak, though I suppose there's a slim chance he was higher before 1976 (which is when the graph seems to stop), so I won't add it (I'll see if I can check it somewhere). Also, where do the details of his "overall record" (1,118 wins, 287 losses, 1,480 draws) come from? Does this record just include top-level games at normal time controls (as I think it ought to) or does it also include blitz games, off-hand games, simuls and so on? Also, when is it up to? Karpov is sitll playing, so his record is always subject to change. --Camembert

Yeah, I remember him being at 2780 too, I'll use that as the number. I got the win/loss from www.chessgames.com, which is prety accurate for now.--Etaonish 13:23, May 16, 2004 (UTC)

Arguably his 2720 (around the time of the match with Kasparov?) was more meaningful than his later peak, due to ratings inflation. Anyway, Kasparov and Kramnik are the only ones to have passed the 2800 mark.

Hacking?

I'm pretty sure that the statistics appearing about Karpov's penis size aren't relevant. Has somebody hacked this page?

Yeah, vandalism is pretty common. It gets reverted, though. --Etaonish 13:03, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Karpov, when not playing chess

I'm a little bit disappointed that next to nothing is said about Karpov, when not playing chess. -- Pjacobi 15:47, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I've tried and I am unable to find much on his life regarding his non-chess activities. I'll attempt to correct this. --Etaonish 18:30, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

After some more searches - Karpov does have biographies and autobiographies out. If anyone could possibly get a hold of them, could you please add to this page? Thanks. --Etaonish 18:40, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps some speaker of Russian has a lot more sources available, but without promising anything, I'll put it on my to-do. See for example: http://www.russiatoday.ru/en/top100/most_fam/3177.html -- Pjacobi 18:51, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Canadian?!

EDGE - do you have any sources for that? I find it highly unlikely. --Etaonish 18:54, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Hair

I seem to remember something about Karpov not washing his hair when he was on a winning streak or something. Was this just a myth? Mintguy (T) 22:33, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Karpov never washed his hair. It is just a myth that he washed it. He liked the greasy look and smell of it in the morning. It also led to his opponents getting unconscious in time trouble, and is believed to be the main reason Karpov won so many games and lost so few. In fact it smelled so bad, Kasparov said "I would never touch the hair of that man. It reminds me of something my cat threw up." Thats why is Kasparov played so many quick draws in their 1984 match: he couldn't stand Karpov's hair. GM Mikhail Botvinnik was quoted as saying "Nobody can understand the hair of Karpov." Fred chessplayer 14:13, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Name

The article uses both Anatoly and Anatoli - are both right? If so, I think it should a) comment on this and b) pick one and use it for internal consistency. -- S

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Would appreciate...

...if someone added the Topalov game mentioned into the article, perhaps using the format of Hastings 1895 chess tournament. provides a lot of good material, as well as the board set-up. Even better would be if the Tatai game could be added as well

Normally I'd do this but this is laborious and I'm tired.--Etaonish 17:48, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

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Mistakes

This doesn't make sense but I am not sure what the truth is... Under "Rival" section this sentence appears: "Instead, in the final game, needing only a draw to win the title, Karpov blundered on his 33rd and 64th moves and lost, ending the match in a draw and allowing Kasparov to keep the title." sYx66 01:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Karpov lost the final game and therefore the 24-game match was a draw. David Sneek 16:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Rating

In the "Towards Retirement" section, it is mentioned that Karpov achieved an ELO rating of 2985, yet in the "Elo Rating System" article, it mentions that "Only Garry Kasparov of Russia, Vladimir Kramnik of Russia, Veselin Topalov of Bulgaria, and Viswanathan Anand of India have ever had a rating of 2800 or above." One of them is wrong. Any thoughts?

No contradiction there: it doesn't say his rating was 2985, but that his performance rating at that one tournament (Linares 1994) was 2985; in other words, he scored a result there that would normally be expected of a 2985 player. David Sneek 09:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Where did you get 2985 from? Google led me to a site with some chess records (but no references) that gives 2899. That number is mentioned in a chessbase article as well. Besides that, there is no official way to calculate a TPR, so I find it strange to mention this at all. 82.74.127.243 (talk) 16:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I corrected a very minor - though extremely annoying and widespread - mistake. I changed "ELO" to "Elo", as it should be. All three letters are not to be capitalised. Smyslov 01:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Notable games

In the "Notable games" section it is stated that in the game Viktor Korchnoi vs Anatoli Karpov, Moscow 1973 Karpov could have won his opponent's queen in the final position. Apparently that is not true, 41. ... Ne3 42. Nd2 leads to a roughly even game maybe with advantage for Karpov, but certainly without a forced queen win. So i think the part about that game should be removed, or at least rewritten, if its still to be considered as a notable game, even with Korchnoi apparently resigning in a position not ripe for resigning. Desaran (talk) 18:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. I've also removed the 1974 game 2 win - that was an opening laboratory win, it's a backhanded compliment to Karpov to put that into his most notable games. Peter Ballard (talk) 03:37, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Karpov is a multi billionaire

Maybe someone, who has the time, should add this fact to the article in a coherent and factual way.

Yes, but there needs to be a reference. 82.70.155.252 (talk) 12:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I can see it, he's a stamp collector.24.68.50.33 (talk) 03:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Other Karpov Books

Byrne, GB Robert - The New King, Anatoly Karpov, The Road to the World Chess Championship, 1976 Bantam Books, Inc. Karpov, Anatoly - Chess at the Top 1979-1984, Pergammon Press, english translation 1984 K.P. Neat Karpov, Anatoly - Karpov on Karpov, Memoirs of a Chess World Champion, translated 1991 by Todd Bludeau Levy, David - Karpov's Collected Games, All 530 Avaliable Encounters: 1961-1974 Mednis, Edmar - How Karpov Wins, 1975, 1994 Dover Publications24.68.50.33 (talk) 22:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Karpov's Games

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=100515524.68.50.33 (talk) 22:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Removal of undisputed tags

Fischer said time and time again that he was still world champion since he never lost a world title match. It is therefor laughable to say that Karpov was ever the undisputed world champion, sure he was undisputed FIDE champion but not the undisputed world champion. If anyone wants to discuss this matter then lets talk about it otherwise the undisputed tags will go down soon without further discussion.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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