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I am always open to discussion but there are discussion pages and even project pages to discuss these vary issues before making continous deletes, additions and reverts. The problems with the article before the major revision was it was too bulky and difficult to navigate, so we have made the main article what WIKI call a summary article which is being monitored by the specialist teams of editors who grade article, and so far they are mainly happy, with a few citation issues. I am always open to discussion but there are discussion pages and even project pages to discuss these vary issues before making continous deletes, additions and reverts. The problems with the article before the major revision was it was too bulky and difficult to navigate, so we have made the main article what WIKI call a summary article which is being monitored by the specialist teams of editors who grade article, and so far they are mainly happy, with a few citation issues.
And we have had to create a new range of sub article to go into greater depth of some of the complex issues that surround dyslexia including the management of dyslexia, and these article are what need to be edited now, unfortunately my ] the cause of my own dyslexia prevents me from what is best described a the wordsmith side of creating articles, which is what is needed now. Basically I am just a researcher who was left with a project that needed radical editing, and that is all I have done. there has been some support from others but for most of the time I have been on my own which is not what coping with my disability is about, I need a support team to help me, not only on WIKI but in life as well. ] (]) 16:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC) And we have had to create a new range of sub article to go into greater depth of some of the complex issues that surround dyslexia including the management of dyslexia, and these article are what need to be edited now, unfortunately my ] the cause of my own dyslexia prevents me from what is best described a the wordsmith side of creating articles, which is what is needed now. Basically I am just a researcher who was left with a project that needed radical editing, and that is all I have done. there has been some support from others but for most of the time I have been on my own which is not what coping with my disability is about, I need a support team to help me, not only on WIKI but in life as well. ] (]) 16:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It is clear that you have a view of how this article should be structured but it is not your article and you should not prevent people from contributing to it

you are refering to the structure of the content when this is a further reading section
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Just read your message. While it is an interesting article already I'm not sure I want to edit my way into the middle of the disputes this article has generated. Bemasher (talk) 10:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Cut and paste vs. Move

Universal

Yeah that's a tough one. The closest one I found was Universal (metaphysical) but that doesn't quite fit either. Universal has the full list of related terms. But yeah I struggled with that myself. I don't like simply removing links unless I'm really stumped. --User:Woohookitty 04:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Infant School

I've restored some discussion; 75.163.160.101 shouldn't have removed other users' comments.

Regarding this comment : remember that Misplaced Pages:Civility is an official policy. There's no need to be snarky about openly-stated lack of knowledge. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 12:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

since you have restored the missing content of the discussion I have revised my comments dolfrog (talk) 12:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks very much! Gordonofcartoon (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, back to you!

Hi, there, Graeme.

I have some time and energy again, so yes, I'm back.  :-)

I also just found the Sami orthography article yesterday! At first I thought it was something I created in my Sandbox a long time ago, then I saw that it's actually a real language!

I haven't looked at the dyslexia article yet. I'm kind of working from a slightly different perspective right now, but I'll look at it soon. I'm sure you will have improved it --- it sure needed work the last time I looked at it!

Are you talking about the Reading navigation template? I was surprised to find it essentially the same as I left it way back when. (Whatever it is, I'm glad you liked it ....)

See you in the editing room soon ....

Rosmoran (talk) 20:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Research papers

You might like to have a look at the research articles / papers which have just been added to the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dyslexia/Dyslexia sub-articles

I've had a skim. A spot of caution: I'm seeing far too many primary sources there. The medical sourcing guidelines WP:MEDRS stress the use of secondary sources - review papers, position statements by medical bodies, etc - to reduce the risk of "spin" to a topic by any editor's personal choice of sources. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 10:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Copyright

I've just removed two sections of Genetic research into dyslexia that are simply lengthy abstracts lifted straight from the cited journals. I don't known whether you've done this with other articles, but this is not how we write articles, specifically because doing this is a breach of copyright. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 02:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Your recent addition to Genetic research into dyslexia has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Misplaced Pages without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Misplaced Pages takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

Formal warning this time. Removal of material in breach of copyright is non-negotiable: see Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations. Please don't restore it. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 03:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

If you would help me instead of stessing me out than this would not have happened, but you insist on winding me up emphisising the existance of my disability, and highlighting it to all the world, while not even trying to help. What is it with you. dolfrog (talk) 03:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The only way I, or anyone else, can help you is do what we've already as we've done: tried to explain (frankly, to the limits of our patience) how things work here, and hope you'll take that advice. If you choose not to, there's nothing that can be done. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 03:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


As I have continually tried to explain I have a communication disability, which you continue to highlight, I am aware of the limitations that my disability imposes on me, but you do not want to provide the help I need to work my disability so that I can contribute to WIKI. All you want to tell me is that I have a communication disability. My disability will not go away it is not curable, and others have to make the acomodations to help me. I can not make all the acomodations on my own to fit into WIKI I need help, which you do not want to provide. I have enough problems coping with everyday spoken language, let alone everyday written language, and then to try and cope with jargonistic world of WIKI is becomes stressful. Working out how you do things takes me an age, because WIKi does not explain things in ways that I can easily understand, and it WIKI was a UK public service provider it would be in danger of prosecution under the Disability Discrimination Act for failing to have an effective a working Disability Equality Duty policy, which now monitored by the UK Human Rights Commission.

dogfrog queries on dyslexia listing

I agree with the removal of the further reading, however I do beleive these areas do need to be referenced, and I feel that they should be included. My view would be to list them in a section entitled "unvalidated research and approaches to treatment"

In one it would stop editing wars and highlight the reason why they are not mentioned in the article, which would probably stem attempts to add them?

I have checked the discussion for the article, your comments "these book are advertising for unproven remedial problrams which have discussed at length during the development of this article. Davis un proven program and sales pitch"

There is no mention of what you stated in the discussion section.

One of the books you removed was a reference book for parents to assist in identifying the condition, hardly a an unproven.

The development of a article on a Wiki is an ongoing and evolving process, and all that is required is that the submission falls in line with the rules of the Wiki and common sense.

I very much agree that articles cannot make statements and claims for unvalidated research agreed, however this is the section on further reading, where it is very appropriate to reference popular and important books, the section is making no claims about the content of the works, a book about dyslexia whatever the perspective should and can be appropriately included

Since books are sold as a general rule of thumb it is not inappropriate to list the site where they are available, this is not advertising, since in this context it is unavoidable

Your comments that these are advertising, they are not referenced in the main body of the text and so are not sales pitch, since they are not being referenced to put forward a specific viewpoint. The section should make reference to alternative therapies and perspectives, but highlighting what they are, especially since there is a lack of concrete evidence for cause of the disability and a lack of development in the area for the treatment of the condition.

Unproven is not a critera for removing a further reading reference, since it is appropriate to added to inform the reader of a perspective, the idea of a further reading section is to permit the reader to expand their view.

with respect to advertising books are sold, and references to a book will include a link to where the book is sold.

references to books in the Dyslexia article

please put the references back, clearly since I have undone your redit of my contribution I do not agree with you, in which case it would have been appropriate for you to have contact me with a message to discuss it.

Failing that it is then best to go to arbitration. I would prefer it if this were resolved more constructively.

Would you agree to discussing this rather than the alternative, I acknowledge that you clearly have contributed a lot to this article, and I also note that you have pieces and contributions of your own rejected in a similar way so I feel you are open to the value of discussing this --16:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)Cityzen451 (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I do not mid discussing the issues, but the dyslexia article has many new sub article, and is these books belong anywhere it is on the Management of dyslexia articles not the main summary article. I do not have objections to the the books being added when thy7e may be relevent to the specific topic of the management of dyslexia. The Davis Book is sold to promote the Davis program and we have already lost one edition on the Dyslexia project because they worked for the Davis organisation. which is in the archives of the discussion page. I am always open to discussion but there are discussion pages and even project pages to discuss these vary issues before making continous deletes, additions and reverts. The problems with the article before the major revision was it was too bulky and difficult to navigate, so we have made the main article what WIKI call a summary article which is being monitored by the specialist teams of editors who grade article, and so far they are mainly happy, with a few citation issues. And we have had to create a new range of sub article to go into greater depth of some of the complex issues that surround dyslexia including the management of dyslexia, and these article are what need to be edited now, unfortunately my Auditory Processing Disorder the cause of my own dyslexia prevents me from what is best described a the wordsmith side of creating articles, which is what is needed now. Basically I am just a researcher who was left with a project that needed radical editing, and that is all I have done. there has been some support from others but for most of the time I have been on my own which is not what coping with my disability is about, I need a support team to help me, not only on WIKI but in life as well. dolfrog (talk) 16:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It is clear that you have a view of how this article should be structured but it is not your article and you should not prevent people from contributing to it

you are refering to the structure of the content when this is a further reading section --Cityzen451 (talk) 17:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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