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in Reading the article I was surprised to notice that the first time the Palestinians were even brought up was because they had "frictions" with the Jewish communities | in Reading the article I was surprised to notice that the first time the Palestinians were even brought up was because they had "frictions" with the Jewish communities | ||
We need someone to fix the story straight about the Palestinians that were there before the creation of Israel and the so many Palestinians who were forcibly kicked out of the homes before and after the creation of israel. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | We need someone to fix the story straight about the Palestinians that were there before the creation of Israel and the so many Palestinians who were forcibly kicked out of the homes before and after the creation of israel. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ||
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Copy-edit / review of FAC
Main article: /FAC commentsI've added some notes in the sub-page. --ROGER DAVIES 12:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Minor vandalism
Recently I've come across two instances of minor vandalism which went unnoticed for some time, until an IP editor added to it (e.g. typefrom=po/hi, population 390,000, etc.) I call on all editors of this article to pay more attention to edits done by unknown/IP editors so that we can avoid this situation. This is especially important because the article is very large and slows down the browser when trying to view diffs, etc., making it difficult and annoying to look for this kind of vandalism. -- Ynhockey 19:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
New Picture and status as largest city
I think it would be good to include a picture of Tel Aviv's world famous beaches on the first picture the reader sees. The skyline is great, but I think a collage would be better incorporating a variety of images. For example, see the article on Los Angeles, CA to see what I mean. I'm going to search Flickr and ask around if we can use a photo.
Jerusalem is not really Israel's largest city.Technically, maybe, but certainly much much much more people live in the Tel Aviv (Gush Dan) area and its suburbs. Many people who say they live in Jerusalem also don't live in Israel proper if that makes any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.85.58 (talk) 16:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Unrecognised Capital
As Jerusalem was to be a UN controlled Territory. Nothing about Blockades....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? If you're disputing Tel Aviv's status as a capital in 1948-49, then please provide sources which dispute this, because sources are given which state this. If you're disputing Jerusalem's status as a capital, then please stop, because there have been numerous discussions on the issue which all came to the conclusion that Jerusalem is Israel's capital. If you want to re-ignite the issue (which is almost surely harmful and should not be done), then the place to do it is in the centralized discussion or in Talk:Jerusalem, and not in this article. -- Ynhockey 17:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Let's make if even clearer. If Jerusalem was not under a blockade at the time, the city would have been declared the capital of Israel in 1948, not later. With the situation as it was, Tel-Aviv was the capitol 1948-49. The dispute over the status of Jerusalem is irrelevant here. (see the extensive discussions at talk:Jerusalem regarding its status as Israel's capital). Derwig (talk) 17:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- How many countries even maintain an embassy in Jerusalem. They have them in Tel Aviv Jaffa. 147.188.225.65 (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- At least two countries maintain their embassies in Mevasseret Zion, a suburb of Jerusalem. -- Ynhockey 22:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Right, Bolivia and Paraguay. I wonder if they are inside or outside the "corpus separatum" - from a quick look at a map they seem very close to the boundary. This matters from a legal viewpoint but probably belongs in a different article. Astarabadi (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- At least two countries maintain their embassies in Mevasseret Zion, a suburb of Jerusalem. -- Ynhockey 22:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- How many countries even maintain an embassy in Jerusalem. They have them in Tel Aviv Jaffa. 147.188.225.65 (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Neighborhoods section
This section was created by a vandal who's just been blocked for his edits to this article. The section is ugly, unsourced and erroneous. I think it should be blanked. Any objections? -- Nudve (talk) 11:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- No objection whatsoever from this quarter. At the same time, it would be good if someone knowledgeable could have a look at the Religion section, 2nd para., which contains info. that does not seem to correspond to the citation, and where the total percentages now exceed 100%. Hertz1888 (talk) 11:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm. How about simply reverting to the last revision before this IP's first edit? -- Nudve (talk) 11:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for the bold step. Possibly that paragraph can benefit from further scrutiny, but at least now it's as good as before, and the Neighborhood sprawl is gone. Much obliged. Hertz1888 (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks :)
I've also submitted a request for semiprotection, which hopefully will be granted. -- Nudve (talk) 11:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks :)
- Thank you for the bold step. Possibly that paragraph can benefit from further scrutiny, but at least now it's as good as before, and the Neighborhood sprawl is gone. Much obliged. Hertz1888 (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm. How about simply reverting to the last revision before this IP's first edit? -- Nudve (talk) 11:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Hacked
Some jack-ass white supremacist hacked into this page (I didn't even know that was possible) and added this text into section 2.4, "After Israeli independance",
This is the Zodiac speaking. You people seem so smart, yet I get away with so much. Here is a letter for you smart people:
That text precedes a image of the white supremacist Celtic Cross, specifically this: He also changed the background colour to black for the rest of the page. His edits don't appear in the History. This needs to be reverted ASAP. 76.66.209.194 (talk) 20:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC) (Jeztah, too lazy to sign in.)
- Success! Just resaved current revision. Nevermind, just keep an eye out in case "Zodiac" decides to come back. 76.66.209.194 (talk) 20:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
- Previously I misunderstood and deleted this section because there was no sign of hacking having afflicted the article as claimed. Because it was also claimed that the article was purged of the hacking, I have brought this section back to preserve a record, but see no need to display the hacker's message in full detail. Ordinarily one would not edit another's comments on a talk page, but, as this is a case of the other editor quoting a vandal (the hacker), I think some cleanup is both permissible and desirable. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
New picture
Any interest in the placement of a new picture somewhere in the article? It is an aerial view of Tel Aviv taken in June 2008.
Thanks. --Shamir1 (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- wow! someone should upload that picture it is beatuful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yummyzummy (talk • contribs) 21:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Too bad about the haze. Because of it the quality is severely compromised, though the composition is really nice. But I see that the question was posed here nearly two weeks prior to the addition to the article of a sharper, clearer photo, which should serve very well. Hertz1888 (talk) 22:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Infobox image
I think that we should ditch both night shots, but if a night shot is chosen, then it should definitely be the higher-resolution one. We have enough pictures of Tel Aviv's skyline not to need a tiny 480x254 picture as the first (and therefore most viewed) image in the article. I am posting this here because recently an anon has been constantly replacing the image, so clear consensus should be established before we consider his actions vandalism. -- Ynhockey 21:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- Which one would you choose? -- Nudve (talk) 04:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- The aerial shot at the bottom of the article, which is huge and annoying in that location anyway, could be used, as its proportions are perfect for an infobox. Other than that, this partial photo by Beivushtang is pretty good. here's another decent aerial shot. -- Ynhockey 16:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'd go with Beivushtang's photo. -- Nudve (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- The aerial shot at the bottom of the article, which is huge and annoying in that location anyway, could be used, as its proportions are perfect for an infobox. Other than that, this partial photo by Beivushtang is pretty good. here's another decent aerial shot. -- Ynhockey 16:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- The aerial shot is faded and ugly, especially when the dimensions are small, and could be ANY city.--Gilabrand (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Population figure
I just updated the population figure to reflect the new CBS update. This is problematic because I remember that it said somewhere that the population 'peaked at 390,000' and since it's greater now, that should be changed. Just letting everyone know. -- Ynhockey 19:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Embassies
The article says that two embassies are currently in Jerusalem, and all the others are in Tel Aviv, sourced to here. However, from the source it's clearly visible that two emassies (Bolivia and Paraguay) are in the Jerusalem suburb of Mevaseret Zion (a very important distinction because of Jerusalem's political status), and a few other embassies are located in Tel Aviv's suburbs of Ramat Gan and Herzliya (a less important distinction, but important nevertheless). The article should be changed to reflect this, although I'm not sure the sentence in the history section should be expanded to include all this information. Maybe the info should be moved to another section of the article and clarified. -- Ynhockey 19:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- The article doesn't specify that the two are in Jerusalem, it only says they are not in Tel Aviv. It also says that "Today, all but two of the national embassies are in Tel Aviv or the surrounding district". I'm not sure the article should go into more detail than this on that subject. -- Nudve (talk) 19:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I automatomatically associated with Jerusalem because of the preceding text. In any case, I still maintain that the text is misleading, as there are quite a few embassies in Tel Aviv's suburbs. Perhaps that can be clarified with 2-3 additional words. -- Ynhockey 19:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- If it's a matter of minor tweaking, go ahead :) -- Nudve (talk) 20:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I automatomatically associated with Jerusalem because of the preceding text. In any case, I still maintain that the text is misleading, as there are quite a few embassies in Tel Aviv's suburbs. Perhaps that can be clarified with 2-3 additional words. -- Ynhockey 19:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
LGBT
I think we should a link to the Municipal LGBT Community center (http://gaycenter.org.il/eng_odot.asp?lang=2). Truth&Rights —Preceding undated comment added 19:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC).
- I'm not particularly convinced we should have an LGBT section on a main article about a city, unless there are sources that show them to be an indelible aspect of the culture. --David Shankbone 20:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think this is relevant for Tel Aviv as it is one of the only gay-friendly major cities in that part of the world. If it was just another European or US city (except SF) it would not be worth mentioning. Truth&Rights —Preceding undated comment added 04:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC).
External Links - really too many?
I know of some external links that would significantly add to this article, but hesitate because of the "NoMoreLinks" template someone has placed in this section. Are there really too many links? I see that, e.g., the article for New York City has more than twice as many, and with no such warning. What is the community standard for "too many links"?
The external link I would like to add is for a new digital collection of materials on the history of Tel Aviv at Stanford University, containing several thousand freely accessible historical photos, documents, posters, etc.:
http://lib.stanford.edu/telaviv
Any thoughts about adding this? Or about removing the scary NoMoreLinks warning? I understand we don't want link spam, but this seems excessive.
--Glen Worthey (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Religion section
Noticed a discrepancy in the Religion section; it says Tel Aviv has over a 100 Synagogues, then goes on to say there're 544 active synagogues. Shouldn't we just say Tel Aviv is currently home to 544 active synagogues? Danish Ranger 02:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Economist City Guide-Tel Aviv
The "Economist City Guide-Tel Aviv" is no longer at the stated address and it seems like the Economist has disowned it. So I don't think it any longer qualifies as a reliable source and the 30 or so citations to it should be replaced. These brief tourist guides are rarely very reliable for historical information anyway. There are lots of history books that would be better. Astarabadi (talk) 14:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Tel Aviv
The name of the city is Tel Aviv. The name Tel Aviv-Yafo is the name of the municipality of two cities - Tel Aviv and Yafo. In Arabic you wrote Tal Abib, I don't see any reason why not to write also in English and Hebrew the name Tel Aviv. Yafo is a separate city, much older than Tel Aviv. The city of Tel Aviv (without Yafo) deserves a page of its own. (I also wrote this in the Hebrew version of Tel Aviv). 79.177.122.32 (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
- Jaffa links to the Tel Aviv-Yafo municipality. I think this page should not be redirected to Tel Aviv, but explain about the municipality of Tel Aviv-Yafo, and link to the two cities - Tel Aviv and Yafo - each of them should have a page of its own. 79.177.122.32 (talk) 15:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
What about the Palestinians ?
in Reading the article I was surprised to notice that the first time the Palestinians were even brought up was because they had "frictions" with the Jewish communities We need someone to fix the story straight about the Palestinians that were there before the creation of Israel and the so many Palestinians who were forcibly kicked out of the homes before and after the creation of israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jihad.beydoun (talk • contribs) 19:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Title image
It appears that the title image (collage) was replaced with another one recently. The bottom part of the image is extremely concerning, as there is no evidence that it's free, and it's unusually modified (stretched), against Misplaced Pages policies. I will revert to the old image if there are no objections. —Ynhockey 22:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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