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Hi Cas, could you say when exactly you learned that The undertow was back as Law, and when exactly you told the ArbCom? <font color="blue">]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font></sup></small> 05:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC) Hi Cas, could you say when exactly you learned that The undertow was back as Law, and when exactly you told the ArbCom? <font color="blue">]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font></sup></small> 05:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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G'day Cas,

I've been frogging over the past few days, and the fungi season has definitely started! I have a coral fungi that I thought you would like for wiki, plus I also have a puff ball which I will upload later, will leave a message here when it is uploaded. Saw lots of fungi over the last few days, but only photographed the really interesting ones as I was using my small memory card, and wanted to leave some space for frogs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52507572@N00/465979784/?rotated=1&cb=1177065560324

Thanks. --liquidGhoul 10:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

There was another nearby (about half a metre) which was 8cm tall, so I would go with Ramaria lorithamnus. It was taken in rainforest, was very little Eucalypt around. Do you want me to upload it to wiki? Thanks. --liquidGhoul 11:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Nomenclature of fungi

Hey there. I recently stumbled across an issue of Nova Hedwigia Beheift titled "the genera of fungi" (or was it agaricaceae?). It's filled to the brink with mind-numbing nomenclatural discussions of all the genera ever described (I think, anyway). Would it be any use if I looked up the specific ref or any specific genera? Circeus 00:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

That would be friggin' trés bién. The first one that would be absolutely great to get a clarification on is Agaricus which was called Psalliota in many texts fro many years and I've been mystified as to why. Other articles I intend cleaning up are Amanita muscaria, which is the one I intended taking to FA first but it just didn't come together well, Gyromitra esculenta as a future FA, Agaricus bisporus as a future FA, and cleaning up the destroying angels - Amanita virosa, Amanita bisporiga and Amanita verna. Boletus edulis would be a good one to check too. let me know if anything interesting pops up. I'll see ifd I can think of any other taxonomic quagmires later today. Work just got real busy :( cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 02:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Generally, that's pretty arcane and only relevant to genus articles, or species that were tightly involving in defining them (for example, there seems to be an odd debate over the multiple type species for Amanita). I'll look up Agaricus, Amanita (since A. muscaria's the current type) and Psalliota. I'll also dig up the ref so you can look it up yourself, with any chance. Circeus 04:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Cool, keen to see what pops up. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 05:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I only quickly thumbed through it and noted the full ref (Donk, M.A. (1962). "The generic names proposed for Agaricaceae". Beiheifte zur Nova Hedwigia. 5: 1–320. ISSN 0078-2238.) because I forgot about it until the last minute. Psalliota looks like a classic synonym case. It shares the same type with Agaricus, and might be older. Circeus 01:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Weird! I thought Linnaeus was calling all sorts of things Agaricus so I wonder how it could predate that really....anyway I am curious.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


Okay, First thing I have to say is... Damn, 18th-19th century taxonomy and nomenclature of fungi is a right mess. Whose bright idea was it to give fungi 3 starting dates in the ICBN???

LOTS of "per" in citation here. See

On Agaricus
Etym.: Possibly "from Agarica of Sarmatica, a district of Russia" (!). Note also Greek ἀγαρικόν "a sort of tree fungus" (There's been an Agaricon Adans. genus, treated by Donk in Persoonia 1:180)
Donk says Linnaeus' name is devalidated (so that the proper author citation apparently is "L. per Fr., 1821") because Agaricus was not linked to Tournefort's name (Linnaeus places both Agaricus Dill. and Amanita Dill. in synonymy), but truely a replacement for Amanita Dill., which would require that A. quercinus, not A. campestris be the type. This question compounded by the fact that Fries himself used Agaricus roughly in Linnaeus' sense (which leads to issues with Amanita), and that A. campestris was eventually excluded from Agaricus by Karsten and was apparently in Lepiota at the time Donk wrote this, commenting that a type conservation might become necessary.
All proposals to conserve Agaricus against Psalliota or vice versa have so far been considered superfluous.
On Lepiota
Etym. Probably greek λεπις, "scale"
Basionym is Agaricus sect. Lepiota Pers. 1797, devalidated by later starting date, so the citation is (Pers.) per S.F.Gray. It was only described, without species, and covered an earlier mentioned, but unnamed group of ringed, non-volvate species, regardless of spore color. Fries restricted the genus to white-spored species, and made into a tribe, which was, like Amanita repeatedly raised to genus rank.
The type is unclear. L. procera is considered the type (by Earle, 1909). Agaricus columbrinus (L. clypeolarus) was also suggested (by Singer, 1946) to avoid the many combination involved otherwise in splitting Macrolepiota, which include L. procera. Since both species had been placed into different genera prior to their selection (in Leucocoprinus and Mastocephalus respectively), Donk observes that a conservation will probably be needed, expressing support for Singer's emendation.
On Psalliota
Etym.: ψάλιον, "ring"
Psalliota was first published by Fries (1821) as trib. Psalliota. The type is Agaricus campestris (widely accepted, except by Earle, who proposed A. cretaceus). Kummer (not Quélet, who merely excluded Stropharia) was the first to elevate the tribe to a genus. Basically, Psalliota was the tribe containing the type of Agaricus, so when separated, it should have caused the rest of the genus to be renamed, not what happened. It seems to be currently not considered valid, or a junior homotypic synonym, anyway the explanation is that it was raised by (in retrospect) erroneously maintaining the tribe name.
On Amanita
Etym.: Possibly from Amanon,a mountain in Cilicia.

A first incarnation from Tentamen dispositionis methodicae Fungorum 65. 1797 is cited as devalidated: "Introduced to cover three groups already previously distinguished by Persoon (in Tent. 18. 1797) under Agaricus L., but at that time not named. It is worth stressing that was not mentioned."

With Agaricus L. in use, Amanita was a nomen nudum per modern standard, so Persoon gave it a new life unrelated to its previous incarnations, and that is finally published after a starting date by Hooker (the citation is Pers. per Hook., 1821). He reuses Withering's 1801 definition (A botanical arrangement of British plants, 4th ed.). "The name Amnita has been considered validly published on different occasions, depending on various considerations." Proposed types include (given as Amanita. Sometimes they were selected as Agarici):
  • A. livida Pers. (By Earle, in 1909). Had been excluded in Vaginata or Amanitopsis and could not be chosen.
  • A. muscaria Pers. (By Clemens & Shear, 1931) for the genus (1801) from Synopsis fungorum, was generally transferred to the one from Hooker's Flora of Scotland, which is currently considered the valid publication of Amanita (or was in the 50s).
  • A. phalloides (by Singer, 1936) for the 1801 genus.
  • A.bulbosa (by Singer & Smith, 1946) for Gray's republication. This is incorrect as Gray's A. bulbosa is a synonym of A. citrina. Some authors consider Gray to be the first valid republisher.
  • A. caeserea (by Gilbert, 1940). Troublesome because not known personally to Persoon or Fries.

Donk concludes the earliest valid type is A. muscaria, the species in Hooker, adding that he'd personally favor A. citrina.

The name has been republished three times in 1821: in Hooker, Roques and Gray (in that order). Roques maintained Persoon's circumscription, including Amanitopsis and Volvaria. Gray excluded Amanitopsis and Volvariella into Vaginata. Right after, Fries reset the name by reducing the genus to a tribe of Agaricus, minus pink-spored Volvariella. This tribe became a subgenus, than genus via various authors, Quélet, altough not the first, often being attributed the change. Sometimes it was used in a Persoonian sense (whether that is a correct use according to ICBN is not clear to me).
Homonyms of Amanita Pers. are Amanita adans. (1763, devalidated) and Amanita (Dill) Rafin. (1830)
On Boletus
Not including (Not in Agaricaceae, sorry).

Phew! Circeus 18:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope you intend to clean that prose ASAP? It's definitely not article-worthy as is. Circeus 01:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on it. Got distracted this morning...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ndashes

HTML ndashes suck. If you're on a Windows box, you can get a real ndash (i.e. unicode) by holding down the ALT key and typing 0150 on the numeric keypad. Hesperian 11:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...thanks for the tip. I'll try that next. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for indulging me, dude. :-) Hesperian 00:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
If, like me, you're stuck with a laptop without a numeric pad with ALT functionality, n- and m-dashes are the two firsts characters after "insert" in the list placed under the edit window. Circeus 22:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, I've edited my keyboard layout for "easy" dashes with a little Microsoft utility (yes, I use Windows). It takes a while to set up, but now I can add en and em dashes with only two keystrokes—quite an improvement for WP editing :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 23:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I add shortkeys all the time on various programs. If i used a reallot of weird characters, I'd totally do that to have across windows. Circeus 16:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Pork

LOL, I love your sense of humour. Maimonedes is a good reference. The reality is that Islam takes food restrictions from Judaism; and Christianity doesn't have any restriction (courtesy of three references in the New Testament). The reason why pork should be restricted (along with many other things) is not given explicitly in the Hebrew Bible, hence Bible commentators have been offering guesses since ancient times. My own favourite, however, is Mary Douglas, wife of Louis Leakey, daughter of a Lutheran pastor. Her theory is excellent, based on her cultural anthropological observations, with a decent feel for how Biblical text works. It's rather an abstract theory though. Anyway, I'll see if I can manage a literature review of dietry restrictions in the ANE, especially if there's anything explicit about pork. Don't think I'll find a reference for "why" the pork taboo is in place, though, if it's documented, I'd have read about that in commentaries. Perhaps a clay tablet with the answer has been destroyed in only the last few years during the "troubles" in Iraq. :( Alastair Haines (talk) 21:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

This is the great thing about uncertainty. Lacking an answer, the reports of Maimonides, Mary Douglas and the other guy mentioned are fascinating.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Scotish pork taboo is a remarkable article! Thanks for that, lol. Alastair Haines (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Spotted this. I'll look for a ref to the Maimonides comment. The normal teaching is that pork is no more or less offensive to Jews than any other forbidden meat (dog, horse etc) or forbidden part of kosher animal (blood, Gid Hanasheh etc). The pig (NB pig, not pork - an important distinction which is relevant for the Maimonides comment too, I note) is "singled out" because it alone of the animals that have one of the two "signs" (it has split hooves but doesn't chew the cud) lies down with its legs sticking out. Most quarapeds have their legs folded under them. There's a midrashic lesson to be learned there, apparently, that the pig is immodestly and falsely proclaiming its religious cleanliness, when it is not. Anyway, that said, I'll look into the M comment - he was quite ahead of his time in terms of medical knowledge (check his biog). And NB my OR/POV antennae buzzed when I read that little section. --Dweller (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone has tagged the Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork for OR, though the talk page seems to indicate it is for a different reason....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... makes me more dubious, but I'll check. btw... I'm not Alastair! --Dweller (talk) 23:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Have found good stuff, including online version of Maimonides text. I'll dump it here for you to use as you wish.

I maintain that the food which is forbidden by the Law is unwholesome. There is nothing among the forbidden kinds of food whose injurious character is doubted, except pork (Lev. xi. 7), and fat (ibid. vii. 23). But also in these cases the doubt is not justified. For pork contains more moisture than necessary , and too much of superfluous matter. The principal reason why the Law forbids swine's flesh is to be found in the circumstance that its habits and its food are very dirty and loathsome. It has already been pointed out how emphatically the Law enjoins the removal of the sight of loathsome objects, even in the field and in the camp; how much more objectionable is such a sight in towns. But if it were allowed to eat swine's flesh, the streets and houses would be more dirty than any cesspool, as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks.

So, Maimonides argues "pork contains more moisture than necessary , and too much of superfluous matter", whatever that means! More importantly, the "principal reason" is that if you keep pigs, you end up with a dirty and unhealthy environment. Important note: Maimonides was writing from Islamic Egypt at the time, which is why he mentions "as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks." (ie France)

The comments about the pig's habit of lying with its legs outstretched come from Midrash Vayikra Rabba (ch 13) where it is mentioned as part of an elaborate metaphor, but not in connection with any reason for particularly abhorring the creature.

Hope that helps. --Dweller (talk) 09:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Greek proofing on Wikisource

Hi Cas,

Would you mind bringing your knowledge of Greek to bear on these three Wikisource pages for me please: , , ? It should only take five minutes I think. If you've got a Wikisource or unified account, you can correct any errors you find; else you can let me know and I'll fix them.

Hesperian 02:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Much obliged. Hesperian 06:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Easy peasy you say... nearly all of the yellow pages on this work contain Greek. s:la:Liber:De assensione Stoici quid senserint.djvu. If you could verify even a few of them, especially p.20, that would be fantastic. John Vandenberg 15:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You did a good job on p. 20, only one accent switch. I'll have a look later. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, we have a category for them now on English Wikisource: s:Category:Pages with missing Greek characters. The ones in the "Page:" namespace are accompanied by pagescans; the EB1911 pages usually have a link to the pagescan on the talk page. Cheers, John Vandenberg 23:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Sandwich Tern

I see you've taken it on, good work. The display and vision bits at Crested Tern apply for all the genus. The opening sentence isn't fully supported by Bridge - although Elegant is very close, Lesser Crested isn't, other than being in the same genus. I won't abandon this article (after all, one good ... aaaarrrggh, it's catching), but let me know if there's anything specific esp from BWP, Olsen or Harrison, where I have the books. Now, must be time for a couple of slices of bread with some meat in. 10:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Australian figs

Been a bit of a spike in editing the few days... Guettarda (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Cute tool that. We'll see how many GAs, DYKs and FAs we can get. Got bits and pieces of horticultural stuff to add yet :) ...just musing on how to bonsai my species... Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

UFOINFO

Hi, a site called UFOINFO is used in multiple articles as reference. Do you think it should be considered RS? I cannot see any editorial board or anything by which it can be considered RS. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 05:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Neither can I. I guess next step is googling principal writers to see if they are notable independently. Not really my area. Otherwise the newspaper reports listed on the website themselves may have to serve...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Banksia sphaerocarpa var. pumilio

FloraBase has an entry for this, but no other information. Know anything about it? Hesperian 04:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind; I found it. Hesperian 04:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
... and I see your name in the Acknowledgements too.... Hesperian 05:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
XD - cool! We were all always arguing about the distinctness of northern ashbyii, and Alex told me about the incana. sphaerocarpa makes my eyes goggle, I knew about latifolia but had no knowledge of pumilio. Wow, must go and read it now. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I guess you might want to have a look at this too. Hesperian 11:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

A book you might enjoy

It's all about flowers ... well, err, kind of.

  • Patricia Fara, Sex, Botany and Empire: The Story of Carl Linnaeus and Joseph Banks, (Sydney: Allen & Unwin, 2003).

She's a senior tutor in philosophy at Cambridge, written several very entertaining and informative books related to the history of science, probably including her doctorate.

But I expect you know of her and this book already. I would have thought it a must read for the Banks-ia Study Group leader. ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. No I haven't heard of her. I will chase this up :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah! Glad I mentioned it then. I'm very confident you'll find Patricia's writing as entertaining as it is informative. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Huia - suggestions

Re this:

"In section "Relationship with humans", can the phrases, "In some legends," and "In other traditions," mention the legends and traditions? Not strictly necessary, I am suggesting this because the above lines are consider Weasel words.".

This will be hard to fix since I don't have the book Kotare used - and I wouldn't want to either, probably, since a pet hate of mine is anything which lumps traditions from different regions together without giving the sources. I would suggest getting rid of all of this:

In Māori culture, only people of high rank wore Huia feathers. In some legends, the Huia was one of the birds attained from the heavens by Tāwhaki so that his wife could decorate her hair with its feathers; this celestial origin meant that the feathers of the Huia were treated with the greatest respect.
In other traditions, the Huia was the leader of the hākuturi, the spirit guardians of the forest, which included Whiteheads and Riflemen. A single Huia feather was worn as a talisman against misfortune. If a man dreamed of a Huia or its feathers, it meant his wife would conceive a daughter; if he dreamed of Kōtuku feathers it implied the conception of a son.


We could use as a partial source Traditional Maori Stories by Margaret Orbell, Reed 1992, pp82-83, and rewrite as follows:

In Māori culture, the "white heron and the huia were not normally eaten but were rare birds treasured for their precious plumes, worn by people of high rank".. <START FOOTNOTE: Orbell mentions some of the sacred associations of the Huia, saying that if a man dreamed of a Huia or its feathers, it meant his wife would conceive a daughter.<END FOOTNOTE>

We can also add a supporting reference from this page: and could perhaps still add the reference no .

Hope this helps Kahuroa (talk) 20:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Cockatoos

Well if there were a single source I would not have put it where I put it. We cannot (at present) put the whole thing in the article. But we can add some of the info. Here's how:

Every time we cite a cladistic study, we automatically accept arguments from parsimony. This is not immediately obvious to the novice reader, but if would not accept arguments from parsimony, each and every cladistic analysis is baseless mumbo-jumbo.

We could not argue like this if this were Conservapedia or if we'd subscribe to intelligent design - a Creator could invoke any trait out of thin air, without precedent in the ancestors. Whereas if you accept the premises of cladistic studies as valid, it is automatically accepted that anything that is frequent in the basal and rare in the advanced lineages of a clade is presumed to be the ancestral character state because "it is more parsimonious" to assume a single origin than multiple origins.

So we can take all the phylogenetics papers that have been published - as we'll do anyway - and arrive at a consensus phylogeny. And we can reference the appearance of all cockatoos with a single source - Juniper/Parr, HBW, Forshaw/Cooper for example (I would not prefer HBW here, as the other sources are more detailed) and cross-refer them to the consensus phylogeny. And then we can say "It is notable that among the basal lineages, the following plumage patterns are generally seen: ... This suggests that it is most parsimonious that such plumage was already present in the last common ancestor of all living cockatoos."

We could cite some phylogenetics textbook's part on character evolution for this, but we don't cite a physics textbook's part on gravity either any time some article mentions something falling down.

Taking this, we can note that certain plumage patterns are seen in (almost) all the basal lineages and only lost in the advanced lineages. "Almost" because the question of why Probosciger is aterrimus ("the blackest") is unresolved. So we cannot be certain about details, but we can point out that all the data contradicts certain patterns of plumage evolution pretty certainly. As regards the original cockatoos, what is unparsimonious would for example be:

  • Absence of barring, in particular in the tail feathers.
  • Absence of intense carotenoid coloration on the head, especially the ear region.
  • Some elongation of the crown feathers (though this need not have been a crest - something like seen in Deroptyus would fit the bill just as well).
  • Absence of any carotenoid coloration outside head and undertail coverts (i.e. body plumage pure black, grey or white without any brownish hue).

What we can also use is one of the psittaciform phylogenies that puts the NZ clade at the base (which is essentially any modern psittaciform phylogeny) as corroborating evidence - a cryptic pattern involving some degree of barring is appartently plesiomorphic for all crown Psittaciformes (and I suspect for all Psittaciformes in general).


In any case, one thing needs to be noted: the placement of the Cockatiel is not determinable with certainty at present! (IIRC one possibility is slightly more likely than the other, but I'd have to sift through all the papers to find out which. Given how singular it is, even that cannot be regarded as proof; we need fossil evidence from near the point where the Cockatiel branched off from the other lineages, and we do not have this.) Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 09:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Gang Gang might actually not warrant inclusion in either subfamily - while the analysis results for the Cockatiel are contradictory because you can get quite good support for either possibility (IIRC), Callocephalon simply refuses to fit into the "nice" dichotomies phylogenetics software will try to construct. As regards the synthesis stick, my take is with WP:BURDEN - it is pretty hard to challenge the obvious (namely that some taxon has some phenotypical traits), especially considering Felsenstein's "Phylogenies and the comparative method" (which should provide sufficient justification for a "naive" character mapping) gets cited in scholarly works on average once every three days since 24 years... Note though that as soon as the phylogeny gets contentious, a dedicated source is surely needed - see for example the very fine paper here.

One can actually turn the burden of evidence, in this case for example: "provide a source that suggests that the LCA of cockatoos was all-white/all-black". Otherwise, where would one stop? The conclusion that chimpanzees were never bipedal in their evolution is generally accepted at face value by precisely the same reasoning, although there is simply not a single shred of material evidence to support this assumption: no fossils on the chimp side of the lineage are known, and the fossils on the human side of the lineage are all (at least preferentially) bipedal.

But as I said, claims cannot be made with finality as long as there is no study where Probosciger tail and cheek feathers have been photographed in UV or observed under a SEM. What we can do at this point is to observe the obvious, describe the situation as far as can be plainly seen.

PS: the molphyl/clock studies of psittaciforms and the fossil record square NO WAY, you guys gotta be careful. The recent "proves Cretaceous" paper was technically far better as I thought, but in the context of Misplaced Pages it would be accused on severe POVpushing... For one thing, the Cretaceous scenario together with the molphyl trend to put them close to passeriforms (which may well be good, though I suppose not as close as the first large-scale trees suggest) puts the origin of a lot of birdy stuff into the Mesozoic nether regions. Also, a lot of fossils that ought to be there have not turned up, I mean not even traces in well-studied regions. And finally, the entire theory is probabilistic, but if that other paper on Cenozoic NZ and sea levels is right (it is cited off-handedly in the Cretaceous paper), the probability for a deep Mesozoic origin of the Psittaciformes is around 2.769126%ish ;-) (it is hard for kakapo ancestors to survive on a submerged microcontinent...) If they had titled it "cannot refute a Cretaceous origin", I'd have been delighted. But this way, it is just like the bad old times of molphyl 15 years ago -trying to outrace each other with data with a signal/noise ratio that reaches abysmality after 100 Ma.


Today's work: smelly frogs, or so it seems. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 05:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Agaricus subrufescens

This medical mushroom article has seen significant change lately if you'd like to have a boo.LeadSongDog come howl 18:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Will try to. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


RE Notable saying?

I recalled this one....Talk:Fes,_Morocco#Old_moroccan_saying - is it famous in morocco? Or just some anglophone urban myth...Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Replied at the article talk page. p.s. I like your Fez up there :) -- FayssalF - 04:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Musca vetustissima

aka the Australian bush fly. It seems the proper name; Google. I found this here; Aussie salute and here; Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Aussie Salute (second nomination) and see it mentioned here; Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Australia/To-do ( which may be your doing ;). G'day, Jack Merridew 11:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Beetles, fungi and macro lenses

Hi Casliber. I saw the message you sent to fir0002. I doubt he'd be able to take any pictures of fungi since he is stuck in Melbourne due to university. I went for a walk through a cool temperate rainforest area of Wielangta forest today. I took a large number of pretty good quality fungus pictures. I need help with identifying them however, and have posted the images at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fungi#18_IDs_from_Wielangta_Forest.2C_Tasmania. I'd appreciate your help since you seem to be fairly knowledgeable in the area.

You also had some gear questions. Since you want to shoot insects too, I'd get a fairly long macro lens such as the tamron 180mm or the sigma 150mm. More critical than your choice of lens is your lighting. You want a 430ex or a 580ex (extremely useful for everything). For insects add a softbox, macro flash bracket and an E-TTL cord. The softbox and macro bracket can be easily home-made. For anything stationary ditch the bracket/softbox and use a $30 ebay shoot through umbrella and swivel, and some ~$30 ebay radio triggers. You will need a light stand or an assistant. For the stationary stuff I'd also consider a decent tripod, allowing you to balance ambient and flash light. The longest exposure in the fungi I've uploaded was four seconds, impossible without a tripod. Compare File:Wielangta Unidentified Fungus 5194.jpg (fill flash) with http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/579/img5192u.jpg, which is only ambient. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Alexithymia

I'm wondering where you stand professionally on the concept? Some are believers, others aren't ... I did a lot of work on that article before a certain ArbCom. It's still a pretty clean article. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, would you peek at my query at User talk:Awadewit#Dissertation as a source? Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Banksia and climate change

This is an interesting paper: "Between 5% and 25% of species were projected to suffer range losses of 100% by 2080." I can send you a PDF if you're interested. Hesperian 23:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Yikes! Yes please. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Done. Hesperian 00:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


Mother Temple of Besakih

The early morning sun hits the spires of Pura Besakih

DYK that the most important Hindu Temple in Bali has a single sentence of coverage?  :( Jack Merridew 16:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I get 5 days, right? Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Karena ini, Anda harus menulis itu.
Saya akan pergi ke Kupang 25 Juli.
Mungkin Anda ikut?
Ta'at cuma kalo ada yang liat. ;)
Tapi di Wiki selalu ada yang liat. :(

Alastair Haines (talk) 10:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh crud, sorry Jack - Alastair's poem was very timely. Yes, 5 days it is. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I have da book with a section on this; I don't have it with me at the moment. Thanks for the tweaks. I tweaked some of the images on Common. People should learn to hold their cameras level. The Pura Besakih particle really should be of the scale of Borobudur. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
ma'af lads, I'll be watching for black bamboo while I'm in Timor ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 10:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Alastair, welcome back. Please note that my bahasa Indonesia is the pits; and that's four years along. It does take being tough to be here ;) Let me know if I can help. Been there, done that. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Pura Ulun Danu Bratan — opps; wrong temple; there are thousands. This is still an important one; See also Tanah Lot
See also
Ahaaa. ok, that redlink will turn blue sometime soon....Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking that. There are some pics at Commons:Category:Pura Ulun Danu Batur and I have some, somewhere. It's quite picturesque and is shown prominently on things like Lonely Planet covers. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
See also also

Alpha Centauri

I have unfortunately had to revert much of the changes you have made to the Alpha Centauri page - mainly to the structure revisions that you have done. While I agree it is best to standardise between bright star pages (i.e. Sirius), there is significant problems doing so to the Alpha Centauri page. The problem in previous edits is the confusion with Alpha Centauri the star and Alpha Centauri as a system. There was much about alpha centauri, especially its brightness compared to Arcturus as well as the relationship with Proxima Centauri. (See the Discussion with the associated page to this article.) It was thought best to avoid complexity by giving the basic information, and add complexity in sections so information could be understood at various levels of knowledge. Also as there is much interest in Alpha Centauri from children to amateur astronomers, it was best to give the introduction as brief as possible and explain the complexities as we go. As to modifications of articles as drastically as you have done to complex article, it might be better to do so with some discussion in the discussion section before doing so. Although I note that you have much experience in doing wiki edits, much better than me, it is better to make small changes in complex articles paragraph by paragraph than carte blanche changes. (I am very happy to discuss any issues on the article with you in the alpha centauri discussion to improve the article.)

As to the introduction, much of the additions you have made are actually speculative, and are not necessary on fact. I.e. "This makes it a logical choice as "first port of call" in speculative fiction about interstellar travel, which assumes eventual human exploration, and even the discovery and colonization of imagined planetary systems. These themes are common to many video games and works of science fiction." has little to do with the basic facts on alpha centauri. I.e. Nearest star, third brightest star, binary star, etc. As for "Kinematics" as a title, this is irrelevant (Sirius article also has it wrong). (Also see Discussion page for Alpha Centauri with SpacePotato) Note: I have contributed much to this page - 713 edits according to the statistics. (27th April 2008 to today) Arianewiki1 18:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

O-kay...taken it to the talk page.Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Judea and Samaria

Hi Casliber, if you have time, would you mind commenting here? SlimVirgin 19:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Bract pattern

You know what I don't get? On page 245 of George (1981), and again on page 40 of Collins (2007), George gives a diagram showing the arrangement of unit inflorescences on a Banksia flower spike. Both diagrams clearly show a hexagonal layout; i.e. every common bract is surrounded by six equidistant common bracts, thus forming little hexagons. In support of this, George (1981) states "The unit inflorescences are so arranged on the axis that there are three pattern lines—vertical, and both dextral and sinistral spiral."

I haven't dissected an inflorescence, but in some species the pattern persists right through flowering and can be seen on the infructescence. You won't get a better example than this B. menziesii cone. Look at that pattern. There's no way you could call it hexagonal. It is a rectangular (or rather diamond, since the lines are diagonal) grid. Depending on how you define a neighbourhood, you could argue that each common bract has 4 or 8 neighbours, but there's no way you could argue for 6. Similarly, you could argue for two pattern lines (dextral and sinistral spiral) or four (dextral, sinistral, vertical and horizontal), but there is no way you could argue for 3, because there is no reason to include vertical whilst excluding horizontal). On top of that there is a beautiful symmetry in the way each common bract is surrounded by its own floral bracts and those of its neighbours. But George's diagrams destroy that symmetry.

I thought maybe B. menziesii was an exception to a general rule, but you can see the same diamond grid, though not as clearly, in File:Banksia serrata4.jpg, and I reckon (but am not certain) I can see it in my B. attenuata cone. And in File:Banksia prionotes mature cone.jpg too. What the heck is going on?

(I'm not just being a pretentious wanker here. I thought the diagram was interesting and informative enough for me to whip up an SVG version for Misplaced Pages. But since copying George's diagram isn't really on, and it is much better to go straight from nature if possible, I was basing my version on this B. menziesii cone. But it isn't going to work if the diagram shows a rectangular grid and the text has to say it is hexagonal.)

Hesperian 13:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me on this one - I think it was Alex (or Kevin??) who told me that every bract pattern was unique to a species and hence diagnostic, but as far as I know not much if anything has been published on this area. The similarity between archaeocarpa and attenuata was noted (the bract pattern remaining in the fossils). I seem to recall feeling bamboozled as well by the description when I read it some time ago. I will have to refresh myself with some bedtime reading....Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Update: I had a look at the pages in question in the banksia book(s), there is a little bit more in the 1981 monograph but not much. I meant to ring Alex George about this and should do so in the next few days...I guess the photos look sort of like hexagons stretched vertically :P Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Socorro springsnail review

Hello, thank you for reviewing Socorro springsnail. I think you would also like to read Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Gastropods#Universal sections, because sections of this article were a bit discussed (you can see one revert in the article and discussion User talk:Invertzoo#Socorro_springsnail). Despite this, your changes in the article are acceptable. There are no other GA articles of gastropod species yet, so we have not much articles for inspiration. Maybe you would like to review also Kerry Slug (already nominated) or Limax maximus (not yet nominated, because distribution is not fully referenced, but maybe you could nominate and review it) (or Valvata utahensis if somebody could update distribution from included link with public domain text.) I hope I will be useful although I am not native English speaker and so I will be not able to solve some English details. Personally I think, that Kerry Slug would be better to be the first gastropod species GA article, because it should probably go much more smoothly. I would like if you consider to review these articles simultaneously. --Snek01 (talk) 15:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Casliber, Thanks so much for volunteering to do the review. I am another Project Gastropods person and I can help with the fixing up during the reviewing process. I just now changed "gastropod" to "gastropod species" in Snek's message for more clarity. It is certainly the case that this is our very first species article to come under GA review, so we will learn a lot from this I am sure. I am on vacation now, but I am still available for help on this process for a couple of hours probably every day, especially on parts of the article that need better prose, or more prose, or more clarity. Snek however is the one who did all the research for the article and therefore understands the species of snail better than I do. Good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 16:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

To invertzoo and Snek01 - I will also get to Kerry Slug and talk on the gastropods page for some guidelines. Thanks for getting back to me so soon, we can make this all work nicely ;) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much for agreeing to do all this, it is very helpful indeed and extremely important to Project Gastropods. We are already working hard at upgrading a number of our articles, and this type of outside reviewing is essential in working out what kind of things we need to be fixing before we go forward with many more. We do appreciate all your help, your thoughtfulness and kindness. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 15:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Question

If this is what developing flower pairs look like...
then what are these brown and white furry things?

I note that the last six images to be posted on your talk page were posted by me. I'm not sure whether to apologise....

What is going on in the lower image? Clearly this is an inflorescence in very early bud, but those furry white things are apparently not developing flower pairs. Are they some kind of protective bract or something?

Hesperian 01:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

You certainly see those thingies on the developing buds of alot of banksias. I'd be intrigued what the Nikulinsky book, which is essentially a series of plates of a developing menziesii inflorescence, says (not sure, I don't recall whether it had commentary...). Another thing to look up. Was about to look up the patterns just now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Now I have looked at the books and bract architecture, question is are they common bracts or are they something which falls off (don't think so but..). Something else to ask Alex. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Having found nothing in George, I've been reading Douglas's stuff on ontogeny of Proteaceae flowers, and found nothing there either.

If you snap a spike axis in half, they are just that brown colour, and essentially made of closely packed fuzz. I wonder if there is initially no gap in the axis for the flower to grow, so the developing flower literally has to shove some of the axis out in front of it as it extends. This would explain everything except for the white tip. Hesperian 10:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


I have today taken a long lunch and gone bushwalking with Gnangarra. While he took happy-snaps, I did some OR on this question. My diagnosis is: these are peduncles that have developed common bracts, but have not yet developed floral bracts or flowers.

In very young spikes like the one pictured here, they are not yet very densely packed together, so they can be perceived as individual peduncles. Given time, they will continue to grow, and as they do so they will become more and more densely packed together, until eventually they are jammed together so tightly that their dense coverings of hairs form the fibrous brown material that comprises a typical flower spike, and the common bracts at their apex will form the bract pattern on the surface of the spike. At that point, they will no longer be distinguishable as individual peduncles, but will simply be part of the spike.

When the flowers start to develop, they get squeezed together even more. At this point, sometimes, a peduncle may break off the axis and be squeezed right out of the spike as the flowers around it develop. Thus you may see one or two of these furry things sitting at random positions on the surface of a developed flower spike.

As evidence for this hypothesis I offer the following observations:

  1. Wherever one of those "furry things" is found loose on the surface of a spike, you will also find a gap in the bract pattern beneath it, where the common bract is absent;
  2. "Furry things" may occasionally be found partly out of the spike, but partly in, in which cases the white tip is quite obviously the common bract. In such cases removal of the "furry thing" leaves behind a visible hole in the spike where a common bract ought to be.

Hesperian 05:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting - Gah! Forgot to ring Alex - evening is a crazy time with little availability for me, but will see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Not OR any more. Look at the picture of "Banksia flower bud seen in profile" here: clear evidence of the common and floral bracts forming one of those little furry upside-down pyramids, with the flower arising from it. Hesperian 03:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Greek

Thanks again. Hesperian 07:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem - gotta watch those funny rhos. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.lifescientist.com.au/article/318404/feature_blooming_controversy is worth a quick scan. I liked the bit about B. serrata being more closely related to Dryandra than it is to B. integrifolia. Hesperian 23:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, yeah. I have corresponded with Graeme :) I recall seeing a tray of Dryandra longifolia seedlings in tubes (now Banksia prolata ) which looked exactly like Banksia serrata ones. Was very impressed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Mary I of England

  • 12:26, 14 March 2008 Casliber protected Mary I of England ‎ (clearly vandalism is a recurrent issue )

That was 18 months ago. I'd like to review this to see if semiprotection is still necessary. See talk:Mary I of England. --TS 12:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Follow through

Um ? MBisanz 03:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Unblocked now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Retro gaming mags

Hey Cas, what does you collection look like outside of Dragon and White Dwarf? We're looking for more obscure stuff such as Different Worlds and The Space Gamer and anything else you might have to beef up some of the articles we're trying to get to GA+. BOZ (talk) 12:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have a couple of Different Worlds somewhere. Not much else. Bit disorganized at present. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Which ones do you have, and how hard would it be for you to get at them? :) BOZ (talk) 16:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Tricky at present +++. Will see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, if you locate #20 for Against the Giants and #21 for Descent into the Depths of the Earth that would be super sweet. :) BOZ (talk) 23:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I just noted something in a 80s edition WD for the combine GDQ release. Will look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Yep, #35 - we got that one taken care of.  :) We pretty much have anything Dragon or WD covered, it's just the other mags where we come up short. BOZ (talk) 12:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, it is only 1 (or maybe 2) Different Worlds I have, and one Fantasy Gamer somewhere....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Ah - when you said "a couple", I didn't know you meant literally. :) BOZ (talk) 22:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
'tis OK, but if you ever do find those let me know what issues they were and we'll see where we need them and what for. :) FG, too, those have reviews I believe. BOZ (talk) 01:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Notes to self

for later. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

The Historian

The above is now a GA! Next up is peer review. I'll post it and request a review from a friend and ask him to look at the plot summary in particular, but I think the article is pretty close to FA. Awadewit (talk) 20:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Congrats - great work. I was around when Hamiltonstone started discussing the plot and figured it might be a case of too many cooks....Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

RFA context

Misplaced Pages:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-01-07/Shell_to_Sea is a good intro. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It is getting on here (after 11PM) and I am pretty knackered. Will get to it tomorrow I think. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello! Just for more context on Corrib Gas, you can check out Misplaced Pages:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-05-06/Corrib_Gas and the associated talk page - I think they're a bit more extensive than the original Shell to Sea mediation. Thanks! Fin© 16:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that, it can be a bit of a headache trying to figure out what to read next. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Cypraea tigris

Hi Casiliber, Thanks so much for getting the tiger cowry onto the Main Page and into the Did You Knows! Well done! I would award you an honorary membership in project gastropods, but if you become a project member then you would not be able to finish reviewing our Good Article applications, so I will hold off for the time being! All good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Today I made a scan of my cameo-carved tiger cowry. Snek uploaded it for me, and now it is included in the article. I hope you like it. Invertzoo (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I think, that reviewer can be anybody, who did not made significant contributions to the reviewed article. So feel free to join any project(s). --Snek01 (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
A new pair of eyes is always good at GA, so anyone can do it who has not contributed. Generally, members of the same wikiproject don't as most of us have alrady tinkered with an article anyway, but there is no rule against it as such. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Oversight#Users with Oversight permissions

Hello, again Calisber, this is a A Nobody issue, (a RFC was started today against A Nobody) so I felt like you would be the most qualified editor to handle this.

Can you please remove the section I explain here:

Misplaced Pages talk:Harassment#WP:OUTING and a new RFC

Thank you. Ikip (talk) 02:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Signpost/2009-09-21/WikiProject report: WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons

Check it out! :) BOZ (talk) 03:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Seen it? :) BOZ (talk) 11:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, read it today. Nice one :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Editor review/Jack Merridew

fyi ;) Sincerely, Jack Merridew 09:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Ongoing semiprotection of Robert Gilbert (chemist)

  • 02:22, 20 April 2008 Casliber protected Robert Gilbert (chemist) ‎ (ongoing vandalism from multiple IPs, perennial problem )

I've looked at the history of this article and the vandalism, such as it was, does not seem to me especially heavy, though it is persistent. In any case it's nearly 18 months later, and it seems quite likely that the vandal has wandered off and found something else to do. Of course there may be oversighted revisions that I cannot see, and serious BLP issues, but the logs I can see don't give any indication of that. Do you still consider semiprotection necessary? --TS 11:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Long story and a private one. Essentially a grudge. As with other similar situations I feel a semi- is a much better use of resources than mucking around with rangeblocks. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I think I agree on use of resources. I won't ask for unprotection. --TS 12:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

So, how would you resolve this problem?

This is a serious question. I wasn't involved in A Nobody's RFC creation, and, had I been, it would have been different. I think of things like writing "Per nom is an unacceptable argument" over and over as annoying, but not anything to get too upset about. I would have focused on A Nobody's use of deceptive practices: misleading edit summaries, distorted descriptions of other editors' behaviours, misrepresentation of sources, and similar things. These are behaviours that shouldn't be supported by anyone. Yet, when people respond to the RFC, they respond along party lines. Effectively, we wind up with otherwise good editors defending despicable practices because they focus on the inclusionism/exclusionism divide, and not the problem. Discussing them directly with A Nobody is fruitless, as he specifically ignores anyone he disagrees with. This leads to my question: if the current RFC isn't the answer, and direct discussion doesn't work, what do you see as a productive path?—Kww(talk) 13:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I was musing on this. I will make a proposal. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Please do. Meanwhile, your endorsing views that more or less basically say there is absolutely no issue with A Nobody and it's everyone else that has a problem may not be very helpful. Casting this as inclusionists vs. deletionists misses the point. I'm an inclusionist, and I know it's about A Nobody's behavior. ++Lar: t/c 14:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Have a look. I wasn't the one who laid out a wall of misdoings as an opening gambit in this RfC, which really reinforced the tone in the first place. That was disappointing. Anyway, I have laid out a couple of proposals. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
"wall of misdoings" ??? As we explained, there is a 3 year pattern of behavior here. The large amount of evidence is there to show that the community has tried and tried and tried to resolve it, to no avail, he just goes back to the same things. Over and over and over. If we had went with just a few items his staunch defenders would say "not a pattern, isolated incidents". I find your input at the RfC/U interesting, but not really germane to an RfC/U since it's about changing how AfDs work overall. I also think it fails to acknowledge that A Nobody's interaction style is deficient. Is it or isn't it? Really, that's the question you need to answer. ++Lar: t/c 15:34, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Lar, the evidence you three compiled is a "unwarranted...meritless RfC". Either the misdeeds are over 15 months old, or you are complaning about A Nobody Deleting items off his talk page and arguing WP:OTHERSTUFF exists for example.
Despite repeated requests, Kww and Protonk have not provided any actual policy and guideline violations, which is required for Misplaced Pages:Rfc#Request_comment_on_users: "A user-conduct RfC is for discussing specific users who have violated Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines".
As per: Misplaced Pages:Rfc#Request_comment_on_users: "...unwarranted filing of meritless RfCs is an abuse of the dispute resolution process."
The true policy violations are Lar, defending Jack Merridew. You threatened me with admin action for deleting Jack comments calling A Nobody a troll, defend Jack's stalking, in which Admin Fram just gave him a final warning on the 18th, How can you justify vigourously supporting such behavior Lar? Two days later you post this "unwarranted...meritless RfC"
I am concerned about how this all could have been avoided and how this all escalated, another admin, not Casilber, was the person that gave Jack the final warning, despite A Nobody for months complaining to Casilber and other mediators about Jack's behavior. Ikip (talk) 16:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Kww, your section argues issues that happened in April 2007 and September 2008. There is no new evidence of this happening over a year later. As for your other complaints, I have started to document how "unwarranted" and "meritless" they are. Ikip (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Ikip, I was talking to Casliber. Your wall of text is unhelpful (as well as repetitive, not to mention false on several levels, but I digress). I'd prefer an answer from Casliber to the yes/no question I asked without interference from you. Casliber: is A Nobody's interaction style deficient? ++Lar: t/c 14:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
With all due respects Lar, the RFC you created is over 7000 words long, has several misleading and false statements you refuse to correct, and involves such trivial complaints as "On your own user talk page, you may remove others' comments" I don't think "unhelpful" "wall of text" get any larger than this. Ikip (talk) 18:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
You have made your views abundantly clear already. You are interfering in a conversation. ++Lar: t/c 00:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

To Lar - yes the last word-type comments are problematic and I have told him so, however I still think (a) people can choose to ignore it, and (b) it is outweighed by behaviour on the other side, such as citing OR or lack of referencing when sources exist. I also esecially resent a subsection of people claiming they are speaking for "the community" in these type of discussions (and many others), which is patently untrue. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your views. ++Lar: t/c 00:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Rhubarb bolete

Hi Cas, I added some refs and buffed up the text of this a bit to help ensure it meets DYK length requirements. I think the title spelling may be wrong though, I've seen obscurococcineus at Fungorum and obscurecoccineus at MykoBank, but not obscureococcineus. Further, Singer spelled it obscure-coccineus. How do your Oz fungi books spell it? Sasata (talk) 17:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC) (p.s. also check here)

Aha, so that's why I couldn't find it on fungorum...Bougher = obscurecoccineus, as does Fuhrer....and fungimap Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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Assistance requested with image

Hello;

I am a relatively new Wikipedian who has been adopted by A Nobody. We are editing a page that was previously deleted three years ago. The page is entitled "Immunocal" and can be accessed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:LivingWell4U/Immunocal

I have asked Immunotec for permission to use a company image of Immunocal for the page, and they have given me permission. What is my next step, please? A Nobody is quite sick at the moment and indicated you may be able to help me with this. I tried reading about this, but there is so much information I don't understand, it makes my head spin.

Do I need to send some sort of legal form to the company, or is the e-mail from their lawyer sufficient? She indicated I should use the "proper trademark citations" and I have no idea what that is. Would you be so kind as to help me? I would be happy to e-mail you the file. Thank you in advance for your time and attention.

Sincerely, LivingWell4U (talk) 02:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately (as it involves a little more to'ing and fro'ing),[REDACTED] has become more stringent with documenting permission for work not self-created. You should check the criteria and upload at wikimedia commons. There are templates there for permission which the original copyright releaser must email to the permissions. You should be able to get a walkthrough when youj try to upload a file there. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Casliber, I will give it a try. Much appreciated, and happy to know you. LivingWell4U (talk) 15:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for Userification

Hello, Can you please Userify the recently deleted article deleted article to User:Virdi/CyanogenMod

Thanks. virdi (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks for moving the article to my user space.

Misplaced Pages:Peer review/The Historian/archive1

The plot summary is just draining me! :) If you have any ideas, please do suggest them. Right now, everything seems to be pretty solid except for that section. Awadewit (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Funny, in hindsight that was/is/will be the bit that is the most awkward. Think of this as an exercise and challenge in being able to present a three-timed-sequenced timeline into a succinct and easily legible summary. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom

What I am asking is this - ArbCom review the very long bullying by admin and abuse of administrative power in order to try and dominate me against multiple policies. Moreschi's appearance only verifies what I have been saying. This has come directly to four pages of mine dating back to June of last year. It involves lengthy wiki stalking. It involves intense meat puppetry. It involves lots of edit warring. Multiple participants are admin, admin who have also threatened to block me or actually blocked me abusively.

There is no content conflict because the content does not actually matter to them. Hence why there are so many diverse pages all with the same actions. I am also not the only one to have this happen to. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:20, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

This in particular should help shine some light on the major abuse of authority and positions that can only be handled by arbcom. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Casliber -- sorry to butt in on your talk page -- I agree with Ottava above that the diff he provides should help shine some light, but not exactly the way he thinks it does. Ottava, is this the eighth or the ninth time someone has told you, Folantin is a he. I have been trying to get through to you since April of this year that you need to be respectful of other editors, learn how to disagree with them without being abusive, and that truly is the heart of the matter. If you began treating people with whom you disagree respectfully, none of us would be wasting our time on this pointless drama. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, lets see, a mistake in gender = end of the world. And that justifies over a year worth of hatred, venom, attacks, edit warring, destruction of pages, constant bullying, and the rest? Talk about a sense of proportion. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
"A year's worth of hatred, venom, attacks, edit warring etc. etc."...What does this refer to? --Folantin (talk) 18:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I clearly laid it out in my section. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
You did? I'm not seeing it. I believe we have met on three occasions this year: the Ariosto hoopla in January; your failed RFA and its aftermath in April; and this latest bust-up over the "Persian Empire" (beginning in August). That's once every four months. This is supposed to be "a year worth of hatred, venom, attacks", "constant bullying" etc. Maybe you blame me for your failure to become an admin? All I did was comment, as was my prerogative. I was only one of about 120 opposes. Your behaviour in the aftermath was particularly disgraceful. I'm not sure you'd really want to invite ArbCom to scrutinise this and other incidents. I generally try to avoid interacting with you. Rather than "destroying Misplaced Pages", I've been quietly editing many, many pages on Iranian history over the past few months. You recently decided to stalk me and cause a scene over a subject on which you have demonstrated shocking ignorance. "Talk about a sense of proportion" indeed. Please stop wasting everybody's time with your petty grudges. (PS: I don't really care about your mistakes over my gender. It just proves my point that you never really read or comprehend what other users are telling you). --Folantin (talk) 19:36, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I find it interesting that you ignore the fact that there are multiple parties and take all accusations as targetting you. That would reveal a guilty conscious about your actions and behavior to the point that you think everything is about you. The claims about "stalking", like where I forced you to edit war on multiple pages that I worked on to justify your edit war against Wizardman who you used many of your friends to get around 3RR verifies the concerning behavior in your above post. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
This is inane rambling. I'm not even going to begin to try and untangle what, if anything, it might mean. --Folantin (talk) 20:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Casliber, do you agree with Folantin that their edit warring against a sitting Arbitrator is part of my stalking them? And that they were "quietly editing" pages, even though there were major fights between them and editors of the Iranian Wikiproject? I can provide many others that can testify to the fighting that happened and the appearance of Dbachmann and Akhilleus to back them up against these other editors. As I said, they don't act this way to just me. When they challenge a sitting Arb and edit war against them like that, it is a clear sign that they lost all sense of decorum and proportion, as they fear no censure or end of their behavior. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the purpose of ArbCom and the role of arbitrators. They don't decide on content. An arbitrator editing content on an average Misplaced Pages page has no more privileges than a normal user. The arbitrator (Wizardman?) you claim I "challenged" would have to recuse in this case anyway. I have been involved in no "edit warring". The conversation on Talk:Persian Empire was perfectly civilised until you appeared and immediately violated WP:TALK. I'm not aware of any "major fights" between myself and the Iranian Wikiproject. This is just another random smear you have pulled out of thin air. --Folantin (talk) 19:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Mass edit warring and having people to proxy you so you don't go over three reverts and having people to boost up your "side" in a dispute and use them to threaten others with admin behavior is not a content dispute. It is a violation of multiple policies. The fact that you did these actions at pages of very diverse content areas shows that it has nothing to do with content. You have no respect for consensus, you edit war, and you bully others who have a valid interest in pages in order to promote your own "conquering" of the pages as if this was some kind of game. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
And you don't have any evidence for this. All my content is reliably sourced. You have a petty grudge against me because of your failed RFA. End of story. --Folantin (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Ummm...okay. I have been occupied for a bit of time, so it will take some time to get up to speed. And I have not partaken of caffeine on this early sunday morn as of yet. ("sheeeee-it" as Clay Davis would say) (sound of kettle boiling) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I think I'm done here anyway. --Folantin (talk) 20:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
We-ell, half your luck, I am now stuck with trying to wade through this and make some wise and insightful comment or course of action...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't envy you. My advice is to ignore it. It's just paranoid ramblings.--Folantin (talk) 21:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
It's just gone 7 am and I think I'll be fetching my second cup of coffee now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, it's just gone 10 pm here so I'm signing off. Enough destroying Misplaced Pages for me for today. I'll leave that task in the capable hands of my cabal. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 21:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Psilocybin

Hey Cas, I suddenly have an urge to take this to FA level (no, I didn't eat any shrooms... recently). Interested in collaborating? High-importance fungal product with psychiatric applications, topped off with substantial page views... what's not to like? No problem if your plate's too full already. Sasata (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. Yes, I'll try and help out :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Special edition triple crown question

Hi- I'm assuming that you have a hand in the Durova's Triple crown, based on the edit history of the page. Anyhow, I was wondering if you also had a hand in the special edition crowns because Durova looks to have her hands full with numerous other things.

Here are discussions (one and two) about a special editiion triple crown for the WikiProject Video games. If this is something you don't handle or are too busy to handle, I more than understand. Thank you for your time. (Guyinblack25 17:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC))

Sounds fun. I should have some time free in a few hours. I ducked on now to make a statement quickly. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi Cas, could you say when exactly you learned that The undertow was back as Law, and when exactly you told the ArbCom? SlimVirgin 05:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I told arbcom in the last two days. I can't remember exactly when he told me but it was several months ago at least. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
  1. Letter is script and looks like a Russian и.
  2. Maimonides, Guide for the perplexed, Book III ch.48. Can be viewed online at http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/gfp184.htm
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