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			==Michael Mann’s Nature Trick==

			Could one of the self professed AGW experts explain to me what Michael Mann’s is?

			<blockquote>
			:From: Phil Jones
			:To: ray bradley ,mann@XXXX, mhughes@XXXX
			:Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
			:Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
			:Cc: k.briffa@XXX.osborn@XXXX

			:Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

			:Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow.

			:''I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s '''to hide the decline''' ''. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

			:Thanks for the comments, Ray.

			:Cheers
			:Phil

			:Prof. Phil Jones
			:Climatic Research Unit Telephone XXXX
			:School of Environmental Sciences Fax XXXX
			:University of East Anglia
			:Norwich </blockquote>

			The article doesn’t specify what the trick is or what exactly they are trying to hide so we should try and hash it out here and try to include it in the article.

			Much thanks. ] (]) 15:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

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Environmental Science & Technology, 31 August 2005, "How the Wall Street Journal and Rep. Barton Celebrated a Global Warming Skeptic"

external link is dead - perhaps the article can be found elsewhere?--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Its this one (scroll down). --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 01:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Hockey stick - no image

Shouldn't there be an image of the hockey stick graph in this section? It's impossible to make it out in the spaghetti graph. -- 90.210.96.120 (talk) 01:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Michael Mann’s Nature Trick

Could one of the self professed AGW experts explain to me what Michael Mann’s “Nature Trick” is?

From: Phil Jones

To: ray bradley ,mann@XXXX, mhughes@XXXX

Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000

Cc: k.briffa@XXX.osborn@XXXX

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow.

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline . Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers

Phil

Prof. Phil Jones

Climatic Research Unit Telephone XXXX

School of Environmental Sciences Fax XXXX

University of East Anglia

Norwich

The article doesn’t specify what the trick is or what exactly they are trying to hide so we should try and hash it out here and try to include it in the article.

Much thanks. WVBluefield (talk) 15:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

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