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WP:TPO

Feel foul of this one myself, it is apparently a blockable offence to refactor someone's comments. Apparently you have to ask them to do it. Justin talk 01:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

my recent edit @ self-governance

I just figured self government is actually something different. and the page at self-government is pretty poorly structured, so- idk. ppl should be able to find self determination pretty easily-- that's a decent article. there's almost nothing on "autonomy", so idk. I actually clicked there from gibraltar, which I saw u mentioned on yer userpage. I just wanted to know more about this somewhat curious language that the brits have developed over all these years. possesions, federations, the whole n. ireland thing, mandates, protectorates. it's a little ridic, really.

so- essentially I ask, 'what is self government?' and "is that answered in an accessible, organized way on to that on 'pedia anywhere?" n-dimensional §кakkl€ 16:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar san roque proposal

I've deleted your comment and voting, as the rule was a vote and one line. Plus its somewhat ambiguous whether you were supporting the proposal or not with:

• Agree - with the original "most": reference - "Most of the civilians who left Gibraltar never returned. Of those who left, most settled in the town of San Roque, overlooking the Bay of Gibraltar." page 9.

I never used the word most and do not intend to, so can I trouble you to vote again either for or against the proposition. Although it was messy changing it, I think the suggestion of using the word many is better than majority as there is no firm data on who went where. However I do not intend to chop and change it any more. --Gibnews (talk) 18:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I have reverted this. Removing talk page comments based on unilateral rules is not kosher. --Narson ~ Talk • 18:51, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou Narson. Gibnews: it was bad enough to change your proposed wording mid-vote, but then removing someone's vote and comment is absolutely not on, for whatever reason. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 21:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

OK I take your point and, more importantly, in the spirit it was intended. These days editing wikipeda is a chore rather than a pleasure and I'm getting fed up with it. BTW this might amuse you or not, I'm now eligible for Spanish citizenship since they've extended it to the children of the Spanish refugees who fled Franco's Spain. Justin talk 09:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Let it stand

Let it stand? Why, it isn't about improving the article is it? Just give in to the bullies, let them have their way. What a great day for wikipedia. Justin talk 00:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

This probably won't go down well with you, and I wouldn't want to spoil the new-found peace between us, but please try to reflect on your behaviour on the talk page too. You are constantly insulting the other two guys, Imalbarnoz and Richard (easily enough for some WP:NPA based admin attention, incidentally, but I'm not going to be the one who instigates it). I would say that the bully on the Gib talk page is you, not anyone else. Regarding my reasons: everyone seems OK with that wording apart from you, the sources support it, so it's time to move on, it really is. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 00:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Move on? Quite simply I'm quitting,[REDACTED] has been a chore rather than a pleasure for some time. The fact that I'm bad tempered and cranky isn't me, I've put up with months of crap from Imalbarnoz. It has never been about improving the article, its a single minded campaign to slant the POV on the Gibraltar article. It isn't so much the edit, it is the fact that the argument against it being ignored to impose a solution. The arguments against have never been considered, its always been accusations of censoring the article.

I don't have a problem with people being straight with me, I never have, which seemingly is what you never understood. So no it won't spoil anything since we made peace. I do have a serious problem with people trying to push me around. Justin talk 00:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why you think this way at all. You know my heritage. You also know I've been to Gibraltar twice - the second time because I liked it so much the first? And that I'm firmly in the Gibraltar-is-British camp? Yet, I see no problem with any of Imalbarnoz's edits and do not see him in the same light as those Spanish idiots you get who come and periodically vandalise the article. Reason being is that the article should be written from a balanced perspective, not from the perspective that 99.7% of Gibraltarians want to remain British. There is a big difference between mentioning that and writing the article from that perspective. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 00:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Because it isn't a balanced perspective and I see a lot of problems with his edits. They're always to minimise the legitimacy of the Gibraltar Government, its not about improving the article. He's worse than the idiots who vandalise, because he is so single-minded about it and hes working the system. A balanced perspective I would have no problem with and any problems with Gibnews I'm confident I could smooth over; he does listen to reason if you approach him the right way. Sorry really I am sorry but I don't see it as improving the article and if we're being honest with one another it seems like you're settling an old score with Gibnews. Supporting Imalbornoz in purging any mention of self-government from the lead is not about improving the article. I can see what will be next and it'll involve adding the position on the UN C24. Anyway I'm serious I am quitting, I just wondered how long it would be till someone suggested removing self-governing from the lead and it was less than 8 hrs. Justin talk 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I have no scores to settle with Gibnews. He's finally met his match in Imalbarnoz, and I think that is a good thing. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 14:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Look I just want to quit but I'm not going to walk away and allow you to get away with what you're doing at AN/I. You know those sock puppet allegations are false, Gibnews is not Gibraltarian or Gutterbrothers and Gibnews.net is just a repository of documents that would only be in paper form. Frankly you're being a petty little shit, if the wikibreak enforcer worked I wouldn't have even known about it. Justin talk 10:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

"Petty little shit"? Who is the one who has returned after "quitting" about twenty times now and tried to get me blocked on ANI? As I have repeatedly said, all Gibnews has to do is retract his legal threats and he can come back. And note, I still have not raised your personal attacks there. It's not me who is being petty here. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 10:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I've never ever tried to get anyone blocked before but on this occassion you do deserve it. You know those sock puppet allegations are false but you still made them. Do what you like, see if I care anymore. Justin talk 10:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

You obviously do care because you keep on coming back. Which is fine by me, but I have to tell you that there is one guaranteed way of being ignored at WP:ANI and that is to start posting paragraph upon paragraph of "he said she said" childish prattle. Which is exactly what you have done. If there is any chance you actually want to come back again, I advise you not to make a bad situation worse. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 11:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

My intention is to quit, just as soon as Gibnews is unblocked and can defend himself. I note you didn't bother to mention he redacted that legal threat. That could have been very magnanimous of you but then you didn't did you? Thanks for the advice on AN/I but politics never interested me. Justin talk 12:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Please read Tan's post on his talk page. And stop spamming WP:ANI. You're doing there what you do at Gib - "I MUST REPLY TO EVERY SINGLE POST". Other people aren't ad obsessed about all this as you, remember. I'd be curious, incidentally, to see the stats from your "posting counter" script on the Gib talk page. I think you'll find you are way ahead! The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 12:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

No it isn't because Gibnews can be reasoned with, if you don't butt heads. Imalbarnoz has no intention of improving the article and you are settling old scores. Lets at least be honest with one another. Anyway please do leave my farewell message alone, it wasn't for you. Justin talk 15:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

OK

As I told Atama, when Justin said he would be leaving, I thought he would just calm down and come back with a more balanced attitude (that's why I decided not to take any action). It seems he is doing just the opposite. So, OK, let's do something about it.

I don't have much practice with these things. Should it be me who starts something, or can you do it? In which page? -- Imalbornoz (talk) 13:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Spanish empire

Hello, how are you? Recently a user Fireinthegol has appeared in the talk page of Spanish Empire, and he looks like a clone of EuroHistoryTeacher. At the moment he has not done any change in the article, nevertheless he is raising theories that are original analysis of the primary-sources, while the secondary sources that I contribute, stated the opposite that he affirms. He ignore what I say to him about the policy of[REDACTED] in this matter. You can see the whole issue in the talk page. What I want to ask you is that before that the matter become grave and the inhabitants of Sauron's kingdom (trolls ...) appear, should I notify a administrator now? And in affirmative case, which would be the correct link to do it? Thank you. Trasamundo (talk) 14:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

British Empire

He's also popped up there (Redhat knows this already) but the amusing thing is when I saw his comments the first thing I thought was "it looks like a clone of Eurohistoryteacher"... Redhat - thanks for pointing out the ANI notice. Wiki-Ed (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Multiple deletion in the Commons

Hello Red Hat! Hope all is well with you. I'm writing to let you know about several delete proposal in the commons that may interest you. They are:

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There are also some more maps that should be deleted. Hope you can give's your view. Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 16:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

EuroHistoryTeacher

Yes... and he has been busy at the commons! Have you gone there? The Ogre (talk) 17:24, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Response at my talk page

Also, we could use some fresh input at Talk:British West Indies#Corrections Talk:Thirteen Colonies#Revolution vs. rebellion. I don't know if the article is within your interests, but you might have a fresh viewpoint, whatever it is! - BilCat (talk) 02:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Non-Gibraltarians

No worries. The thing is they were indeed born in Gibraltar but that does not mean they were Gibraltarian. --Gibmetal 77 15:11, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Justin

Please don't bait him, Red Hat. I always give you the benefit of the doubt but really,that post on his user talk page was never going to do anything but annoy him, which you should know by now. --Narson ~ Talk • 22:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

As hard as this may be for you to believe, though I know how easily written communication can be misinterpreted, that was not a baiting - the exclamation mark was supposed to be friendly. Maybe I should have put in a smiley too. When I say "life's too short", I really mean it. We only have a few decades on this planet, and they may be cut short at any time. When we are on our deathbeds, whenever that might be, will we look on squabbling on Misplaced Pages with pride? Furthermore, who's going to ensure our desired edit remains in the article when we're gone?! Sometimes a bit of perspective helps, even if it's from someone you disagree with. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 23:13, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

In my life, I've survived bone cancer, being bombed by the USAF, a helicopter crash, being shot at by a 14.5mm machine gun and bouncing down the motorway in a burning Ford Transit. I could add being shot in the leg but that was an accident with a blank so its less dramatic than it sounds. I have a very good perspective about life, equally I get really pissed off with being pushed around and get more stubborn than you can possibly imagine. Will you please stop baiting and going after Gibnews, there is a decent guy under that gruff exterior. Every time I think you're a half-decent guy you do something like baiting Gibnews to piss me off. And reverting today. What pisses me off is a solution being imposed, rather than trying to persuade me otherwise. You'll never get me to accept being bullied or bounced into something that I have an issue with. I really don't trust Imalbornoz, he is a civil POV pusher and I have a problem believing that you can't see it. Justin talk 23:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh fuck it, don't know I bothered. There is some paint drying that is more interesting than chatting with you. Justin talk 00:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Be nice please! :-) The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 00:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

No really, my initial assessment was that you were just a wind up merchant. Thanks for proving me correct. Swivel. Justin talk 00:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)