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Please refrain from writing uncivil and shouting messages on my talk page. If you do that again you will be reported to the appropriate administrator's board. Also, please don't bother replying to this caution. Thank you. Amsaim (talk)

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Hey Daedalus, I thought I just left the notification of the investigation on the (then) suspected socks. What would be better for the future? - Schrandit (talk) 04:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the revert. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 17:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome for reverting that vandalism to your userpage.— Dædαlus 21:00, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Re Jim Bell

Glad to do it.

Some people just have axes to grind. Damned if they are going to grind them here AFAIC. Take care and have a great weekend. PMDrive1061 (talk) 03:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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Please stop

I removed now two of you messages now. Please do not post to my talk page your warnings. I consider this to be an intimidation. Please stop harassing me at my own talk page. --Mbz1 (talk) 00:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

As I said on your talk page, it is not harassment to warn a user against personal attacks about our policy regarding personal attacks when they are personally attacking another user. Continue and I will report you.— Dædαlus 00:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Don't you ever put your warnings at my talk page. You want to report me? Be my guest, but stop harassing me on my own talk page, you administrator hopeful.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:06, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Daedalus969 has every right to warn you about personal attacks. If you make a personal attack, it is your fault if you receive warning. Also, you are engaging in incivility with your last comment on this page. Please be civil in the future. —Mythdon 01:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Any user has the right to post legitimate comments, including warnings, on another user's page. Just as that user has the right to delete them. Going to the poster and griping, when it's a good-faith warning, is the start of a trip towards the block house. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:16, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:DRC--Mbz1 (talk) 01:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

As I have said on your talk page, that is irrelevant. It would be relevant, if I had restored the same message over and over again. However, the cold hard fact is that I have not. Instead, I have given you a different message every time. Nice try, but no.— Dædαlus 01:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Marriage

I've asked for the article to be semi'd for a couple of weeks to see if that will help stave off the looneys. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I figure a temporary semi-protect is more likely to be approved. Then we can play it by ear, like when a redlink says, "Hey! Why can't I edit this page to restrict the definition of marriage?" Think that approach sounds far-fetched? Several of us put up with that approach at Pioneer Courthouse for literally years, until they reluctantly imposed permanent semi-protection. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:06, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Tony Walton semi'd for a month. It seems the last monthly had just expired. What a coincidence. I could make a comment about a "monthly" here, but the last time I brought up that subject, I got ragged for it. :( ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Pwningall2 Talk page

Hi, I saw that you added a warning to User talk:Pwningall2. I added one as well, but I no longer see yours. I do not know if you removed yours on purpose, or if I accidentally wrote over it. I just wanted to give you a heads up just in case it was my bad.--armoreno10 01:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page.— Dædαlus 01:52, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Fear

Replied. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Mbz1

I find the behavior that you and Baseball Bugs have shown towards Mbz1 in this matter to be utterly inexcusable. Your persistent templating of Mbz1 despite the editor's valid removal of these warnings is childish beyond belief. Granted, Mbz1 did not act in all civility with his comments on the SSP, but to persistently fuel and escalate this matter with your warnings is not acceptable. "Repeatedly restoring warnings does nothing but antagonize users" sums up the matter. I urge you to refrain from contacting Mbz1 for this matter; your input into this matter has not been helpful. —Dark 02:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

As I explained to Mbz1, it is perfectly valid to post legitimate cautions and warnings, and the user has the right to delete them as it's assumed he's read them. Of course, if he ignores those warnings, he may find himself in the block house. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course it is. But what is not legitimate is to bait the editor until he finds himself in the "block house." Show some clue, the addition of warnings after the initial one did nothing but escalate the incident. And templating an established editor is heavy-handed to say the least. —Dark 02:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I never reverted his removal. I left a new message every time. Big difference there.— Dædαlus 02:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I never said you reverted. I said you templated. And that does not make it acceptable. —Dark 02:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to know what behavior of mine regarding Mbz1 that you consider to be "inexcusable". Was it when I told him that other editors have the right to post on his page, and that he has the right to delete those posts? As regular editors, you and Mbz1 should both know that. Over-reacting also fans the flames. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

You know perfectly well that he will be removing that message. And you also know perfectly well that, as en established editor, he knows the rules. "As regular editors, you and Mbz1 should both know that." So tell me, what was the purpose of that message? Now on the issue of overreacting. Daedalus posted a message on AIV requesting admins to block Mbz1. Accusations that I overreacted in this circumstance bears no fruit. —Dark

(edit conflict)An established editor? I don't think so. An established editor knows the rules, and he clearly violated them, again, again, and again. On the matter of overreacting: How about when you accused bugs and myself for repeatedly restoring messages and templating this user, when in reality no such thing occurred. Bugs did not leave any heavy-handed messages as you say, but civil notices, written by his own fingers. As said below, I did so five times. Once, when I was warning him about making PAs elsewhere. Then, later, as my last messages to his talk page, warnings against calling me an idiot. Go on, let us see your evidence that Bugs or I left anything heavy-handed.— Dædαlus 03:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I think he already did remove my lone message to him from his page, which he has the right to do, as I said within it - so I don't get what your complaint is. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:58, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, you did. Here's a direct quote of the above "Repeatedly restoring warnings does nothing but antagonize users" sums up the matter.. I never restored anything. Restoring is the same as reverting in this context, and I never reverted. I left a new message every time. Only after he began insulting me did I template him for personal attacks.— Dædαlus 02:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, where is your evidence that I persitantly templated them? I did it four times, as is the standard. Everything else was a civil message explaining things brought up, and a response to him coming to my own talk page. None of them were templates.— Dædαlus 02:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Correction. Five times. The first time was my first message to their talk page, and was in reference to his insult of another user. The last four times was when he began calling me an idiot. The behavior of myself does not excuse his own. Since when is calling a human being an 'it' and an 'idiot' acceptable, when in direct violation of WP:NPA?— Dædαlus 02:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

And to make it clear for me. Are you defending your viewpoint that those messages were not meant to bait Mbz1 for a response? Are you also defending your viewpoint that five warnings, after Mbz1 told you not to comment on his talk page, is not excessive? And furthermore, are you also defending your view that 5 different warnings regarding the same issue and its subsequent debacle, when it became apparent that Mbz1 knew of the concerns, is justified? —Dark 03:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

"The last four times was when he began calling me an idiot." You do realise that he started calling you an idiot after you started warning him for bad behavior? —Dark 03:06, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Calling people idiots is what got me blocked in December of 07. I advise you and/or your bud to avoid using terms like that in the future, regardless of your feeling wronged. If you've got a complaint about an editor, take it to proper channels. Just be sure not to "Plaxico" yourself in the process. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 03:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

"I advise you and/or your bud to avoid using terms like that in the future" Prove I have called anyone an idiot on Misplaced Pages. Then prove I have a substantial history with Mbz1. If you can't, withdraw your accusations. —Dark 03:13, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Long experence has taught us that if you are dealing with users with a non trivial history of[REDACTED] use it's better to use custom messages than templates which never seem to help.©Geni 03:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

If an editor does not want to be warned for personal attacks, they should not make them to begin with. However, I'd like to see diffs of Mbz1 making personal attacks before passing judgment as to whether they did make them. I also do think that when so many warnings are posted, but no result is achieved, than that editor should be reported rather than continuing the warnings- asking for help will get you somewhere, while excessive warning and no help only causes problems. "You do realise that he started calling you an idiot after you started warning him for bad behavior?" (DarkFalls) - Calling someone an "idiot" is still inexcusable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that Daedalus969 baited Mbz1 into making that personal attack. —Mythdon 03:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

To be exact

The user visited my talk page 11 times today. ;;;;; . BTW I agree it was a little bit premature to call you an "idiot", when I did. I should have done done it later, after you reported incivility to to vandalism board :)--03:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)