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| :::What it says in the communique is secondary. For the last time, can you show to us any third party (non-Azerbaijani) sources, archival material, newspapers, to corroborate what Thomas de Waal (and the article he wrote in the BBC) says? If not, then we're treating that as a fringe opinion and we don't give undue weight to such positions. You cannot conceal the exodus of thousands of people if something like this truly happened. Virtually all sources give February 1988 as the starting point of the conflict. --] (]) 15:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC) | :::What it says in the communique is secondary. For the last time, can you show to us any third party (non-Azerbaijani) sources, archival material, newspapers, to corroborate what Thomas de Waal (and the article he wrote in the BBC) says? If not, then we're treating that as a fringe opinion and we don't give undue weight to such positions. You cannot conceal the exodus of thousands of people if something like this truly happened. Virtually all sources give February 1988 as the starting point of the conflict. --] (]) 15:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ::::It can't be secondary if the declaration is about solving the very conflict they were discussing. There 3rd party sources (such as articles in Vestnik printed in 2005) but there are no direct links to them. By the way, it wasn't thousands of people expelled at that time. There were just a few hundred forced out by end of 1987. Exodus of thousands you are talking about started in 1988. ] (]) 16:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Start of conflict
The actual petitions by Armenians started in August of 1987, the actual conflict started in November 1987 when the first Azeris were expelled from their homes in Gugark . That's what is meant in Yeltsin's communique (the actual text of the declaration says 4 years). Tuscumbia (talk) 14:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- Petitions were sent as early as the 1930s, and others were sent in 1945 and 1965 as well if you really want to take it that far. Asides from the BBC Russian article that journalist Thomas de Waal himself wrote, do you have any other evidence (official sources) to adduce that such an expulsion even took place (who was responsible for it, why they take such measures, archival data). Please avoid making blind reverts also.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 15:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- We're not talking about petitions of 1960's. We're talking about the petitions and calls by Agambekian in Paris which resulted in the exodus from Armenia. I think the leaders of two states, Yeltsin and Nazarbayev along with Azerbaijani and Armenian delegations would know better when the conflict started when they wrote and signed the declaration, than what you allege here. It's in the text of the communique. Feel free to read it first. Thank you. Tuscumbia (talk) 15:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- What it says in the communique is secondary. For the last time, can you show to us any third party (non-Azerbaijani) sources, archival material, newspapers, to corroborate what Thomas de Waal (and the article he wrote in the BBC) says? If not, then we're treating that as a fringe opinion and we don't give undue weight to such positions. You cannot conceal the exodus of thousands of people if something like this truly happened. Virtually all sources give February 1988 as the starting point of the conflict. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- It can't be secondary if the declaration is about solving the very conflict they were discussing. There 3rd party sources (such as articles in Vestnik printed in 2005) but there are no direct links to them. By the way, it wasn't thousands of people expelled at that time. There were just a few hundred forced out by end of 1987. Exodus of thousands you are talking about started in 1988. Tuscumbia (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- What it says in the communique is secondary. For the last time, can you show to us any third party (non-Azerbaijani) sources, archival material, newspapers, to corroborate what Thomas de Waal (and the article he wrote in the BBC) says? If not, then we're treating that as a fringe opinion and we don't give undue weight to such positions. You cannot conceal the exodus of thousands of people if something like this truly happened. Virtually all sources give February 1988 as the starting point of the conflict. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)