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*'''KEEP'''. Placement in TFD is divisive, inflammatory, misleading, pointless, and anti-free speech; block ] for continued ] disruption. --] 17:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC) *'''KEEP'''. Placement in TFD is divisive, inflammatory, misleading, pointless, and anti-free speech; block ] for continued ] disruption. --] 17:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
**You have not addressed the substance of this debate, so your opinion will have to be discounted. Please familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages policy: ] is about disruption. We're supposed to be having a constructive debate here, which is hardly disruptive, unless we count your efforts to derail it. --]&nbsp;<small>]</small> 18:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC) **You have not addressed the substance of this debate, so your opinion will have to be discounted. Please familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages policy: ] is about disruption. We're supposed to be having a constructive debate here, which is hardly disruptive, unless we count your efforts to derail it. --]&nbsp;<small>]</small> 18:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
***I do not address the "substance" of your TFD's, because it's pretty clear there is none. Rather, you are wasting Wikipedians' time and energy by listing broad swaths of userboxes, knowing fully well that the majority will never pass, in order to take the real policy debate on userboxes club and beat it to death with the cudgel of process.
:::As for "derailing" the debate - you are the one who is in the motorman's seat on this. That you have been so easily spotted as making a ] is ''your'' problem, which I am certainly not alone in recognizing. --] 18:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
**See ]; there is no free speech on Misplaced Pages. I've speedied the userbox as a blatant attack template. TFD IS NOT A WAR. WE ARE ALL WARRIORS ON THE SAME SIDE IN BUILDING AN ENCYCLOPEDIA. ] | ] 18:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC) **See ]; there is no free speech on Misplaced Pages. I've speedied the userbox as a blatant attack template. TFD IS NOT A WAR. WE ARE ALL WARRIORS ON THE SAME SIDE IN BUILDING AN ENCYCLOPEDIA. ] | ] 18:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
***And you neglect to point out that we are talking about templates strictly used in ''user pages'' where airing POV is not only allowed, but is part-and-parcel of why user pages exist.
:::And no, we are not all warriors on the same side when you have people like Mark Sweep attempting to filibuster an actual debate with unnecessary process. --] 18:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a ]). No further edits should be made to this page.</div> :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a ]). No further edits should be made to this page.</div>

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Template:DoNotDeletion

Template:DoNotDeletion (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
New, ungrammatical, unused and likely unneeded Category:Misplaced Pages maintenance templates. – Doug Bell 18:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was moot. This template was speedy-deleted. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 18:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User participant userbox war

Template:User participant userbox war (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Divisive, inflammatory, misleading, pointless, unencyclopedic. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 16:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete, block User:Dussst for creating it. -- Netoholic @ 17:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete; we're all on the same side of the "war" to build an encyclopedia. This userbox encourages factionalism and has no business in the template space. Johnleemk | Talk 17:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • KEEP. Placement in TFD is divisive, inflammatory, misleading, pointless, and anti-free speech; block User:MarkSweep for continued WP:POINT disruption. --Daniel 17:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • You have not addressed the substance of this debate, so your opinion will have to be discounted. Please familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages policy: WP:POINT is about disruption. We're supposed to be having a constructive debate here, which is hardly disruptive, unless we count your efforts to derail it. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 18:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I do not address the "substance" of your TFD's, because it's pretty clear there is none. Rather, you are wasting Wikipedians' time and energy by listing broad swaths of userboxes, knowing fully well that the majority will never pass, in order to take the real policy debate on userboxes club and beat it to death with the cudgel of process.
As for "derailing" the debate - you are the one who is in the motorman's seat on this. That you have been so easily spotted as making a WP:POINT is your problem, which I am certainly not alone in recognizing. --Daniel 18:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • See Misplaced Pages:Free speech; there is no free speech on Misplaced Pages. I've speedied the userbox as a blatant attack template. TFD IS NOT A WAR. WE ARE ALL WARRIORS ON THE SAME SIDE IN BUILDING AN ENCYCLOPEDIA. Johnleemk | Talk 18:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
      • And you neglect to point out that we are talking about templates strictly used in user pages where airing POV is not only allowed, but is part-and-parcel of why user pages exist.
And no, we are not all warriors on the same side when you have people like Mark Sweep attempting to filibuster an actual debate with unnecessary process. --Daniel 18:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Template:User Telewest

Template:User Telewest (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Advertising. No encyclopedic or community value. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 06:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Freeview

Template:User Freeview (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Advertising. No encyclopedic or community value. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 06:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User NTL

Template:User NTL (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Advertising. No encyclopedic value. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 06:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Sky

Template:User Sky (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Advertising. No encyclopedic value. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 06:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Comixpedia

Template:Comixpedia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Not a Misplaced Pages sister project. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User against Iraq War

Template:User against Iraq War (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Divisive template. There's very little room for real-world politics on Misplaced Pages, since Misplaced Pages is not a blog or a soapbox. This template serves no useful purpose, as it doesn't help us do a better job at writing an encyclopedia. And it's ugly, too. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 03:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Bad Religion

Template:User Bad Religion (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Redundant with {{User band-3|Bad Religion}}. We should prefer generic templates like {{User band-3}} over specific ones like this. If colors etc. are important, change {{User band-3}} to make it more configurable. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 03:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Green Day

Template:User Green Day (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Redundant with {{User band-3|Green Day}}. We should prefer generic templates like {{User band-3}} over specific ones like this. If colors etc. are important, change {{User band-3}} to make it more configurable. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 03:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

  • keepLet the Userbox project worry about this. If someone want's to go to the trouble of creating a userbox then let them. It doesn't bother anyone. It will be off in it's own userbox category sub-page where you can just ignore it.--God of War 03:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This template should NOT be deleted. Are you nuts, Mark? Do you just hate my templates? You should be ashamed (if this template is deleted again). Sorry, if I was harsh. Alex 101 03:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and possibly move to userspace per WP:UUB. —Andux 04:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep - irrational argument. --Dragon695 04:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • You do realize that you've essentially said nothing at all? Per the TFD guidelines, redundant templates can be deleted. You have not addressed this issue, and I don't see you claiming that this template isn't redundant. Unless you start following the TFD process and engage in a debate of the substantive issues, your opinion will have to be dismissed. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
      • When you flood TfD, you can't expect complex answers. Besides, I don't see how my method of voting is any different than those who leve NO EXPLINATION AT ALL. So far, I believe Doc and Tony have voted in every single userbox case to delete with no substantive explination, so where's your outrage there? Anyhow, redundant would be having multiple Greenday userboxes saying the exact same thing. Having different ones for different bands is similar, but not redundant. Is it anymore redundant as having different Babel templates for different languages? You see, like Babel templates, it's about finding people who share common interests. I can go and run a "What links to this" and instantly find out everyone who has a greenday userbox. Say I wanted to edit or create an article about Greenday? Now I could find a whole lot of people that I could ask to review the changes I made. Perhaps I need more information on a subject which a greenday fan my be more knowledgable about (or could direct me to resources which explain what I want), I could leave a question on their talk page. You can't do that with metatemplates or subt: boxes, sorry. Please cut the crap and stop trying to invalidate opposing votes. --Dragon695 09:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
        • You seem to be under the entirely mistaken impression that this is a vote. Let me assure you, it's not. It's a debate about the merits of particular templates. Unless you participate by addressing the substance of the debate, you may as well not say anything. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 16:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. There are enough bands people might like that it's worth using something like a configurable {{User band-3}} instead of ten thousand {{User Foobandzi}}s. Michael Slone (talk) 07:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as per God of War, Alax 101. FREE THE USERBOX! Mike McGregor (Can) 09:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't see any reason why this should be deleted. However if the {{User band-3}} userbox can be made more configurable, that would be preferable over lots and lots of band userboxes. I think it's important to be able to change the colors, because who wants bright-and-shiny yellow for a band such as NIN? Not happening. --Fang Aili 14:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep User band-3 was made as an alternative, only used if someone couldnt find a userbox specifically referring to their favourite band. I know, I made it - • | Đܧ§§Ť | • 15:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep per Dragon695, even though Green Day is the most overrated band of the last decade. --Aaron 16:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • You're not addressing the central issue of this debate. This is not about whether Green Day is overrated or not. In fact, this has nothing to do with Green Day at all. I put it to you that this template is redundant. I encourage you to follow the WP:TFD process and debate this assertion on its merits, or else your opinion will have to be discounted as irrelevant. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 17:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Anti-UN

Template:User Anti-UN (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
This template is not helpful or noteworthy (encyclopaedic). See the criteria at the top of WP:TFD. Please provide arguments to support or refute this claim. Other comments may be discounted as irrelevant to the purposes of WP:TFD. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 02:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment: As the proud creator of this template and {{User Anti-ACLU}} I consider them my babies. (sigh) Your comment makes me choke up with pride. (sniff) Who knew they would be loved by so many! (wiping tear from eye) Thank you.  :-) Lawyer2b 05:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
You seem to forget that per WP:TFD templates can be nominated for deletion if they're unencyclopedic. Userboxes such as this one simply don't belong in template space. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 06:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Stop being a rules-layer, stop gaming the system, and most of all please stop disrupting[REDACTED] to prove a point! We get it already, you don't like userboxes. However, there are many who disagree. Userboxes are not conventional templates and as such, a policy regarding them is being formulated over at Wikiproject Userboxes. Feel free to contribute to it, but please cut this nonsense out. --Dragon695 09:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Anti-ACLU

Template:User Anti-ACLU (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
This template is not helpful or noteworthy (encyclopaedic). See the criteria at the top of WP:TFD. Please provide arguments to support or refute this claim. Other comments may be discounted as irrelevant to the purposes of WP:TFD. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 02:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

  • What are you saying? All userboxes have to go? Through numerous votes people have advocated for the continued use of userboxes. They have become accepted there. If you want to change this then you can propose a new policy to disallow userboxes. Nominating them one at a time is not the way to go about this.--God of War 03:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • This is not about whether you're pro-ACLU or anti-ACLU or have some other opinion about the ACLU. It's about the fact that this is an unencyclopedic and tendentious template, and per the TFD policy it should be deleted. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
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