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:That seems to be the pattern with full protection. Please see the workspace note under "Reminder" above. While even that has gone nearly dead, we should draft the new "overview" section in there, get it put up, and then get the protection removed. ] (]) 10:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC) :That seems to be the pattern with full protection. Please see the workspace note under "Reminder" above. While even that has gone nearly dead, we should draft the new "overview" section in there, get it put up, and then get the protection removed. ] (]) 10:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::Remove the protection? So the Libertarianism page can be inundated with even more Anarchism, Socialism and Communism using spurious sources from agenda-driven academics using a revisionist vocabulary? ] (]) 10:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed minor change to lead

Just came back to read this article after a long hiatus. It strikes me as odd that the lead introduces opinions from three people without explaining who they are. I propose the following underlined changes to the lead. LK (talk) 04:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Libertarianism is the advocacy of individual liberty, especially freedom of thought and action. Philosopher Roderick T. Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives. David Boaz, vice president of the Cato Institute, writes that, "Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others" and that, "Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property--rights that people have naturally, before governments are created."

Economist Karl Widerquist writes of left-libertarianism and libertarian socialism as being distinct ideologies also claiming the label "libertarianism". However, many works broadly distinguish right-libertarianism and left-libertarianism as related forms of libertarian philosophy. Also identified is a large faction advocating minarchism, though libertarianism has also long been associated with anarchism (and sometimes is used as a synonym for such), especially outside of the United States. Anarchism remains one of the significant branches of libertarianism.

This looks good. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Adding context like this is helpful, IMO. BigK HeX (talk) 06:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that the proposed change is good. This is not to say I like that very confusing second paragraph, but the change in it is fine. North8000 (talk) 12:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
The proposed change is good in general, though I think it's important to identify Boaz somehow as a leading authority on libertarianism, or at least as a libertarian writer, as that is presumably why he was chosen to write the entry on this topic at Brittanica (which is the relevant source).
So for this part:
David Boaz, vice president of the Cato Institute, writes that, ...
I propose:
David Boaz, libertarian writer and vice president of the Cato Institute, writes that, ...
--Born2cycle (talk) 19:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Although you could argue this addition for the other two guys as well, I think that for them it's much more apparent that they are also writers.

So, to clarify, the proposal is LK's proposed changes, with the expansion on the Boaz description per Born2cycle? North8000 (talk) 11:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If so, OK with me. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Libertarianism is the advocacy of individual liberty, especially freedom of thought and action. Philosopher Roderick T. Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives. David Boaz, vice president of the Cato Institute, writes that, "Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others" and that, "Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property--rights that people have naturally, before governments are created."

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So, to make it easy for the admin, we request adding the underlined words to the lead (but don't underline them in the lead)

Libertarianism is the advocacy of individual liberty, especially freedom of thought and action. Philosopher Roderick T. Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives. David Boaz, libertarian writer and vice president of the Cato Institute, writes that, "Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others" and that, "Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property--rights that people have naturally, before governments are created."
Economist Karl Widerquist writes of left-libertarianism and libertarian socialism as being distinct ideologies also claiming the label "libertarianism". However, many works broadly distinguish right-libertarianism and left-libertarianism as related forms of libertarian philosophy. Also identified is a large faction advocating minarchism, though libertarianism has also long been associated with anarchism (and sometimes is used as a synonym for such), especially outside of the United States. Anarchism remains one of the significant branches of libertarianism.


I think I tagged it......if I didn't do it wrong.... my first one of these. North8000 (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC) }}

Tried again North8000 (talk) 11:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

this still looks good. Fifelfoo (talk) 12:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay, all  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Reminder

As a reminder, and note to new folks, the focus of the work on this article moved to http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Libertarianism/OverviewDraft2. While I think that that workspace will create a multi-use long term foudation for other work on the article, the action item at the moment is to arrive at a "common tenets" list to guide and assist the writing and sourcing of a new "overview" section. Please participate, and let's get it to the finish line. North8000 (talk) 11:54, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

And as a reminder, some of us have some WP:OR concerns about that page. I consider that it a somewhat useful exercise only if it is used to back up some new drafted material. However, it should not be used as an excuse to exclude any source from any future draft. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Carol, I don't think that there is any agenda there. North8000 (talk) 14:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Considering contentious editing in past, just wanted to throw in those 32 cents (inflation). :-) CarolMooreDC (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Whew...the pressure was off when it was only 2 cents. That's progress!  :-) North8000 (talk) 21:49, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Is this page dead?

A few months ago, the discussion on this page had devolved into the truly ridiculous. Now, it appears to be dead. Well done, Misplaced Pages. 122.60.93.162 (talk) 05:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

That seems to be the pattern with full protection. Please see the workspace note under "Reminder" above. While even that has gone nearly dead, we should draft the new "overview" section in there, get it put up, and then get the protection removed. North8000 (talk) 10:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Remove the protection? So the Libertarianism page can be inundated with even more Anarchism, Socialism and Communism using spurious sources from agenda-driven academics using a revisionist vocabulary? 122.60.93.162 (talk) 10:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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