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:*] A number of users both here and at the AFD have raised significant concerns about this article's neutrality, along with concerns about ], ] and so on. I not only share those concerns, but I also think this article clearly fails to cover the topic adequately per our own rules. Since these problems are unlikely to be resolved without major changes to the article, there seems little chance of the problems being resolved any time soon. ] (]) 10:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC) :*] A number of users both here and at the AFD have raised significant concerns about this article's neutrality, along with concerns about ], ] and so on. I not only share those concerns, but I also think this article clearly fails to cover the topic adequately per our own rules. Since these problems are unlikely to be resolved without major changes to the article, there seems little chance of the problems being resolved any time soon. ] (]) 10:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

::* ] The article has three ], and the DYK rules disallow any dispute tags in articles going to the main page. ] (]) 11:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


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Articles created/expanded on November 18

Heraclius (brother of Tiberius III), Heraclius (son of Constans II), Tiberius (son of Constans II)

Created by Oatley2112 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 00:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, PM800. But right now, I'd like to nominate Heraclius (brother of Tiberius III) and make a triple-DYK hook. Let me think.... :-) --PFHLai (talk) 23:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Created by Cplakidas (talk) & Oatley2112 (talk). --PFHLai (talk) 03:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Agree that the original hook is better and more interesting. There is also really no basis for a comparison between the cases of Tiberius and Heraclius the co-emperors and TIberius III and his brother, as the latter had actually usurped the throne. Constantine 14:20, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree the original hook was best too. However I'm not all that keen on the fact that two new articles have been created - one about each brother - with almost identical text; it seems unnecessary duplication. If all the pertinent facts about them are applicable to both, then I would have thought that a single merged article was to be preferred (per WP:Merging). For that reason I have put merge templates on each page, and opened discussion at Talk:Heraclius (son of Constans II)#Merge discussion. DavidWard 21:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, I find it quite interesting that two unrelated pairs of brothers with the same two names had eerily similar fates a generation apart, except that the violence has escalated over time. But if no one else finds this interesting, never mind. How about this (based on John's):
I don't mind the merge. Just please don't do this merging while the pages are linked from MainPage. It's better to merge them before they go on DYK-Q or after they go off MainPage. Thanks. I'll try to come up with a new hook for the other Heraclius. --PFHLai (talk) 14:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC) I am unable to come up with any interesting hook material for the other Heraclius to have a single hook, so I hope someone else besides me find my triple-hook interesting. Otherwise, please ignore this other Heraclius and use the double-hook. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 13:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The link is already in the triple hooks. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 22:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Here's a stand-alone hook for the other Heraclius:
--PFHLai (talk) 04:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 20

2010–11 Atlantic 10 Conference men's basketball season

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

  • The source says that Anderson is on the Preseason First Team and Preseason All-Defensive team, but it doesn't say anything about the Preseason Player of the Year. - PM800 (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Yes it does. Look in the second paragraph of "preseason". ~EDDY ~ 23:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I know that it says "Preseason Player of the Year" in the second paragraph of "Preseason" in the article. However, I was talking about what was in the actual cited source (reference #4). - PM800 (talk) 23:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
        • "Four of the five student-athletes represented on last year's A-10 All-Conference First Team were named to this year's Preseason First Team including the reigning A-10 Player of the Year in Richmond's Kevin Anderson." This pretty much means he was preseason POY. ~EDDY ~ 22:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Who is this Kevin Anderson? His fans may find this hook interesting, but ... who is this guy? Does he deserve a wikibio? --PFHLai (talk) 05:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Kevfin Anderson is quite notable. Go ahead and start his article; it's on my to-do list. Some sources predict he will be a second-round choice in the 2011 NBA Draft. ~EDDY ~ 22:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Kevin Anderson has a stub -- Esemono (talk) 06:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

tkWWW

Created by Mabdul (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

  • The problem with the online cite in the article to the fact in the hook ("was the first X11 HTML editor") is that this claim is made by the author of the software, not an independent source. Is there an independent cite for this fact? - Tim1965 (talk) 01:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
another reference is visible at google books (the second book: "Managing Internet information services"). Is this enough or do I need for more? mabdul 13:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
  • That works for that cite. There appears to be a broader issue with the article, though, regarding verifiability and lack of neutral third-party sources. DYK general rule five requires that articles meet general Misplaced Pages guidelines on verifiability before being approved for DYK. That would need to happen in order for the hook to be approved. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 21

Thomas Fairfax (Walton) and Thomas Fairfax (Gilling)

Thomas Fairfax (Walton) created by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Thomas Fairfax (Gilling) created by User:Martinvl on November 20 and 5x expanded by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 6:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 22

List of special elections to the Philippine Congress

A big, white building.

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

  • The "House of Representatives" section doesn't need one since it's a summary of what was said at the "scheduling" section, and the individual sections for the "Senate" section are not needed since they're templated. The "Thirteenth senator" section uses the reference at the end it'll be redundant to ibid them at every bullet point. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Medieval Mayhem, The Video Game Critic

Screenshot of the Atari 2600 video game Medieval Mayhem featuring a yellow and red dragon

Created by 28bytes (talk), Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 23

Civilian casualty ratio

Created by Jalapenos do exist (talk). Self nom at 19:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Concerns have been raised regarding the use of the word "terrorism" and the POV slant of the article which reads like an ISraeli MFA communique. While the article will likely be kept to be improved, these concerns also apply to the hook being proposed. Any alts for us to consider? Tiamut 10:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

AfD was closed as keep here. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 09:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

  • "may have been achieved"... they are guessing and where is the source for this guessing? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
    Hm, the lead quotes Alan Dershowitz about Israel's performance, and that article says about him that he "is an outspoken supporter of Israel". So the hook as it stands might well be somewhat risky, potentially not meeting NPOV. It's probably safest if we run a different hook. Any suggestions? Schwede66 04:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
    Given the serious concerns raised about this article in its AfD, I don't think that it's at all suited to appearing as a link from Misplaced Pages's main page. The hook is also obviously wrong - there have been any number of counter-terrorism operations which haven't involved any civilian deaths (for instance, Israel's own Operation Entebbe, Operation Jaque any many police operations worldwide). The proviso in the quote used as a source ("in a comparable setting") has also been stripped out of the hook for no clear reason. Nick-D (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Regardless of other issues and whether or not it should appear on the main page, the article needs a different, less agenda-driven hook (for what it's worth I would've voted Keep on the AfD). Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
  • A number of users both here and at the AFD have raised significant concerns about this article's neutrality, along with concerns about WP:COATRACK, WP:UNDUE and so on. I not only share those concerns, but I also think this article clearly fails to cover the topic adequately per our own rules. Since these problems are unlikely to be resolved without major changes to the article, there seems little chance of the problems being resolved any time soon. Gatoclass (talk) 10:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Just William (2010 TV serial)

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 17:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Length and date check out. My concern is that the hook fact focuses on the book series rather than the article itself. Perhaps it would be better to pick a fact about the show's numerous predecessors or the change in setting from the original books. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 05:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24

The Nutcracker in 3D

Created by 1Matt20 (talk). Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk) at 07:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, before it goes live, it should have its stub status removed.

Above issues addressed, ideally. Also, here's an ALT:

Teuthidodrilus

Created by Klangenfurt (talk). Nominated by DiverDave (talk) at 22:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Wonderful article about a great subject. Two issues: 1) The online citation to the 2007 collection by Woods Hole does not lead to the article cited. 2) The hook is slightly too long. Can we lose the "(Teuthidodrilus)"? Otherwise, article length is OK, timeliness of submission OK, online cites OK, and offline cite AFG. One a side note: The lead contradicts the text. The squidworm was collected in 2007 by Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, but the lead says discovered by Scripps Institution of Oceanography in November 2010. Perhaps the issue is one of collected vs. described? This needs fixing. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

An Analysis of the Laws of England

At 226 chars, I think this hook is a bit too long... any alternative suggestions?--Worm 16:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
If you changed "has been paid" to "was paid", the hook would be down to 200 characters. EdChem (talk) 04:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 25

Alexander Sergeyevich Stroganov

Description of the image

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Thanks for creating this article, but would it be possible to make the prose flow a little bit. At the moment it reads too abrupt, like a CV. Materialscientist (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
    • I have made some additional work. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
      • I think Materialscientist's concerns still apply, though. You should probably have a native speaker copy edit the article. - PM800 (talk) 00:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
        • Whilst not a native speaker of English, I've given it a once over and it's much better now. One of the DYK requirements is that every paragraph needs to have at least one reference, so that needs to be attended to (you might well be merging some of the paragraphs to achieve that). You are using citation templates and that's great to see, but you ought to specify the language of your sources if they are non-English. Schwede66 08:25, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

ECAC women's ice hockey

Jennifer Botterill

Source Created by Maple_Leaf (talk) 13:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 13:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

List of St. Louis Cardinals no-hitters

Ted Breitenstein

Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 08:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

===== A double-hook with List of Cincinnati Reds no-hitters =====

Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) 04:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

{ I'll pass because I was able to find corroborating support in the franchise history articles but the "refs" in the list next to Ted Breitenstein name only goes to the year schedule on baseball-reference and doesn't note who the pitcher was during the no-hitters or whether they were the first, second, etc in franchise history. Agne/ 00:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
While the Cardinals Encyclopedia confirms that Breitenstein pitched a no-hitter, it says nothing about it being the first in franchise history. I dug around a bit and came up dry... but the whole point of citations like this is that I don't have to read the whole of another reference work to find the answer. Properly cite the hook facts before this can be promoted, please. - Dravecky (talk) 07:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The Cardinals Encyclopedia confirms "franchise's first no-hitter" on page 315, not page 141. I've tweaked the footnote to include this page. I'm removing the double-hook, as I have noticed an error in the Cincinnati list. Will re-nom the Cincinnati list with another hook when this is fixed. --PFHLai (talk) 09:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 26

Furuset Line, Grorud Line

A metro train stopped at the platform of an underground metro station

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 18:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Good faith tick on the foreign language sources and the expansion checks out. However, I wonder if there is a more interesting hook that could be found? Admittedly it is hard to make metro transit "sexy" but facts like the Furuset Line being the fastest in metro is something. Didn't really see anything in the Grorud article that stood out for an alt hook. Agne/ 00:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
  • "serve each their side"? Hook needs to be rewritten before it is promoted. - Dravecky (talk) 06:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT1... that the Furuset and Grorud Lines of the Oslo Metro each serve one side of the Grorud Valley?

Walid Husayin

Created by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Photothèque (Luxembourg)

Photothèque, Luxembourg City

Created by Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Elekhh (talk) at 20:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Alt: ... that the Photothèque (pictured) in Luxembourg houses some four million photographs taken between 1855 and the present day? -- Ipigott (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
  • The original hook is now cited, but the cite is to Photothèque itself, which is not a neutral third-party cite. This is such an important claim, it needs that third-party citation. The fact about 4 million photos in the ALT hook is not cited. (The guideline says the citation has to immediately follow the hook, not be at the end of the paragraph.) - Tim1965 (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
The first ref says "2.000.000 photos", but the second ref says "4 millions de documents photographiques", so I'm confused how many photos there should be. --PFHLai (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Me too, and will be re-conciliated, but it does not affect the original hook, which anyway is better, and is now double-referenced. --Elekhh (talk) 00:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Trilokinath Temple at Tunde

Created by John Hill (talk). Self nom at 02:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out.

How about:

Would this be OK? John Hill (talk) 04:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Wuthering Heights (Herrmann)

  • ✗... that Bernard Herrmann's only opera Wuthering Heights was composed 1943-1951, recorded by the composer in 1966, but has yet to receive a staged complete performance (its sole staging, in 1982, was cut by some 40 minutes and a happier ending was substituted)?

Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

  • The original hook, at 257 characters is over the limit of 200. Suggesting ALT1, at 199. (Note: I've only looked at the hook, not the article.) MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 10:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT1:... that Bernard Herrmann recorded his only opera, Wuthering Heights, in 1966 but it has not been completely staged, as its sole staging, in 1982, was cut by 40 minutes with a happier ending substituted?
I'm happy with that revised hook. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 22:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 27

Base Cation Saturation Ratio - William Albrecht

created by Chienlit (talk). Self nom at 11:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Technically, both articles fulfill the requirements. The hook claim, however, is in this form not mentioned in either article: If I read it right, Albrecht determined the ideal Base Cation Saturation Ratio (that differs from defining the term), and only for the purpose of producing the best cattle fodder -- at least that is what the Albrecht article suggests, the Saturation Ratio article with its wider context description could be read different ways. Also some other scientific terms seem to be misplaced (e.g a ratio cannot be a method), making the topic difficult to read. --Pgallert (talk) 15:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Pgallert. I hope that the Alt1 hook below is less boring and more accurate. Chienlit (talk) 19:44, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that William Albrecht of the University of Missouri made a significant contribution to soil ecology with his work on the Base Cation Saturation Ratio?

Harihar Narayan Prabhakar

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

List of Pittsburgh Pirates no-hitters

Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 16:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

ZALA Aero

Created by Offliner (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 20:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Moni Guha

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


Pisces IV

A white submarine is attached to a pole and ready to be dropped into the ocean.

  • ... that Pisces IV (pictured) has a specialized camera specifically for observing deep-sea organisms in a low-light setting?

Created by Resident Mario (talk). Self nom at 05:23, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

May I suggest tweaking the hook? Right now it's dull and boring. Well of course it has a camera, and of course it's quite dark out there. The article mentions that "The low-power camera is used to record the activities of organisms that otherwise respond poorly to bright light" - they key is that it's specifically for the critters that will attack and eat intruders who indiscriminately flash their cameras :) East of Borschov 23:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking in a bit into the sub's operational history, which should be more interesting. ResMar 21:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so can anyone think of a good one for the Japanese micro sub bit? Thanks, ResMar 05:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 28

1924 in jazz

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 00:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It looks like you've lost the bibliography section in processing - please recover the noted books. Materialscientist (talk) 03:09, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Shashthi

A sari-clad, crowned woman holding two children and standing on a cat

  • ... that initially described as devouring children on the sixth day after birth, today the Hindu goddess Shashthi is worshipped on this day as the protector of children?
  • Comment: split from Shashti and 5x expansion of original text in Shashti. Still in construction. It will take another 2-3 days to complete the lead rewrite and add some more sections for a good coverage. Please do not put the article on main page till the underconstruction tag is not removed.

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 17:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


Cullen Wines

Created by Camw (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

  • When you say notable are you talking about the subject? There is plenty of significant coverage in reliable sources so it isn't relying on the carbon neutral fact for its notability. I don't really see the hook as being overly commercially promotional, but I'll see if I can find something else as an ALT hook. Camw (talk) 01:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Cullen Wines chief wine maker, Vanya Cullen, trained and received a degree in zoology prior to joining the family winery?
  • Thelmadatter and I have been discussing this away from here on our talk pages. They have some concerns about the article being too promotional, especially with the awards. I have tried to keep the lines about the awards factual, neutrally worded and well sourced. Thelmadatter has asked if we can get a second opinion please? Camw (talk) 01:10, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
  • After a look, I'd say that Thelma's concerns are legitimate. I would like to see more information on the physical winery, its history, and the wines produced, and less weight given to the awards the owners have won (these awards, especially the Order of Australia, are major, and should be included, but not be the focus of the piece.) Also, the primary sources (winery's website) should be avoided if possible. I think it could still pass, if the weight is shifted off the awards and recognitions. Hopefully we can work it out, The Interior(Talk) 01:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks for having a look. I have mentioned to Thelmadatter that self published sources should be okay to use as supporting references per WP:SELFPUB, as long as they aren't the only or primary source of the article (and I don't believe they are in this case). I will see if I can expand some of the sections over the next couple of days (or if anyone else could help as well it would be great). Camw (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Battle Mountain

Created by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 13:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

  • 5x expansion dates back to Nov 26. IIRC there was a rule like "5 days are not exactly 5 days", so this could be accepted. The offline source should be matched to the right entry in the references, then it would be good to go. The article states "20 times" only unreferenced in the lead, in the body of the article it is "19 times". This should be adjusted as well. --Pgallert (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Added the number into the body and fixed the ref.—Ed! 19:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 29

List of Cleveland Indians no-hitters

Addie Joss

Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Woodwrae Stone

Woodwrae Stone, rear view

Created by Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 17:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)



Female sperm storage

A scanning-electromicrograph showing a club shaped, spiked penis

5x expanded by User:Margaretsarmy (talk), User:Shanana3475 (talk), User:Piltro (talk), User:ClashofAges (talk), User:Ethandegner (talk), User:Bjholm (talk). Nominated by Smartse (talk) at 15:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


Ashbourne Hall

  • ... that in 1846, Ashbourne Hall and its Derbyshire estate were withdrawn from a sale and sold later in 46 lots by a local solicitor?
  • Comment: new author

Created by Rushton2010 (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 11:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Whittaker (botanist)

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

  • I can't access the reference for the 2000 plants - it goes to here which is certainly not right. I'm not quite sure that the references is an RS either, but I'll wait to see it before deciding. I'm also unsure about the reliability of reference 3 which is to a website of a parish council - it doesn't make it clear anywhere where the information has come from and they can't be considered to be well known for fact checking. SmartSE (talk) 14:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Thx for review. I'm trying to address the issue. Awaiting paper source. Victuallers (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1988 Winter Olympics

Scotiabank (then-Pengrowth) Saddledome in 2005. This venue was under construction in 1981 when Calgary was awarded the 1988 Winter Olympics that year.

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway

A large crowd standing in a deep railway cutting. On the railway tracks are three elaborately decorated carriages and a number of small locomotives. Elderly man in a military uniform Smartly dressed elderly man

Created by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggest .. hooky? Victuallers (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
A bit reluctant, just because that's the one fact about the opening which is widely known. (The Manchester riots are generally blotted out of history, but every British schoolchild learns about Huskisson's death in primary school.) If ALT3 is used (or any variation thereof) it should be "Stephenson's Rocket"—"Stephenson's" isn't part of the name (we use it to disambiguate from other Rockets). – iridescent 23:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I like the alt. Even if it's slightly less appealing to British readers, that will definitely grab the attention of everyone else in the world and probably quite a few UK users too. Ed  15:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough—tweaked the formatting of Stephenson's Rocket in the hook, though. – iridescent 20:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Rudi Spring

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Walter Windsor

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Jake Gaudaur Veterans' Trophy, Mike McCullough (Canadian football)

A gridiron football player wearing a green jersey with his helmet tipped back on his head.

Created by Canada Hky (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


Black history and ice hockey


(ref: Jim Kelley. "First black inductee pleased to be role model". ESPN.com. November 3, 2003. Retrieved on September 10, 2008.) Created by Maple_Leaf (talk). Self nom at 13:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Length, date, and hook source check out. I like ALT1. However, bare URLs for references need to be fixed, and every paragraph must have a citation. - PM800 (talk) 17:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

History of viruses

Created by GrahamColm (talk). Self nom at 20:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

This is a great article. I really enjoyed reading it. I verified hook references, and the article is well cited. I am concerned though that this does not meet the required 5x expansion for articles that draw material from existing articles. The entirety of the history section in the virus article has something like 5000 characters of prose, and the history of viruses article has about 15,000 characters. Not all of the section in the virus article was copied though, and I am not sure what the policy is in that case. Could more seasoned DYK checkers can chime in? James McBride (talk) 02:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
  • There needs to be a 5x expansion of the material that has been split, pretty much all the history section of virus is included in the pioneer and Vertebrate viruses sections and with an expansion from 5351 > 13821 this isn't going to qualify. (I agree it is a pity, because it is an interesting article). SmartSE (talk) 10:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I have added a lot more today, would you be kind and recheck? Graham Colm (talk) 18:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
PS here's the dif . Graham Colm (talk) 18:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The original was 5351 characters, and the article is currently 22161, whereas it needs to be 26755, unfortunately making it 4594 characters too short still. Could you expand on the imaging of viruses, the separation of them into protein and DNA, molecular work on them in the 50s - 70s or more about plant viruses? It's looking great, and I hope it can be pushed just a little further to qualify! SmartSE (talk) 00:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I have added some more on rabies. I will add some more elsewhere in the morning if the the postman manages to fight his way through the snow to my house with the books I have ordered. I could write buckets, but I like to reference facts as I write to stop me putting my own ideas down. Plant viruses are outside the area of my expertise and this section is going to be a challenge for me. How much longer have I got? PS Thanks again for your very encouraging comments. Best wishes, Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 01:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Nice work! It's plenty long enough now, I'm just wondering if we should add the picture of the tulips and make a hook that is more related to the history of viruses rather than just hat linking to it... I'll have a think, but if you want to carry on working it for a couple more days, let us know. SmartSE (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again, this is very encouraging. The story is more or less complete now. There's not much more I want to add (until I have read the GA review, and the Peer Review, which I will request afterwards). With regard to the hook – I am wide open to suggestions. When I am not creating content, I normally do WP:FAC reviews. This is new to me :-) All the best. Graham Colm (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Arthur Priestley

5x expanded by BrownHairedGirl (talk), Sarastro1 (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Protactinium

A young lady in a 1900s dress and a hat facing the viewer and looking to the right A young lady in a 1900s dress and a hat facing the viewer and looking to the right

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on November 30

Colonel Richard Owen (Kinney Schwarz)

  • ... that the bust of Colonel Richard Owen was created in 1913 as a memorial from Confederate veteran assocations in recognition of his courtesy to Confederate prisonors of war while he was commandant of Camp Morton during the American Civil War?

Created by Rearnold22 (talk). Self nom at 20:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. However, there should be a source for every paragraph, and the "Description" section doesn't have one. The hook itself should be concise (fewer than about 200 characters, including spaces). - PM800 (talk) 23:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Indiana (Matthews)

Figural representation of Indiana

  • ... that in 1893 a sculpture of Indiana (pictured) by Retta Matthews was considered an "ideal figure of Indiana"?

Created by Aacarrie (talk). Nominated by Rearnold22 (talk) at 20:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Henry Levien

formal portrait of an older man

  • Comment: I'll do some more tidying of the references, but it's good to go (and it has to, as it's just about to hit 5 days).

Created by NealeFamily (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


CURV-III

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  • ... that in the deepest underwater rescue in history, CURV-III (pictured), a US Navy ROV, saved two men in 1973 stranded for 76 hours in a submersible from a depth of 1,575 ft (480 m) with just minutes of air remaining?

Created/expanded by Wpwatchdog (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Joseph Dodson

Formal standing portrait of an older man

  • Comment: Article started on 30 November.

Created by NealeFamily (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 18:39, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

  • I've removed the tick from my line (I didn't place the tick; I simply asked the question) and fixed the tick in Hoople365's line (spelling mistake in the substitution template). Schwede66 08:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Horatio Brown, Life on the Lagoons

Robert Louis Stevenson, author of the poem To H. H. Brown

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 10:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


Ole Carlson House

Ole Carlson House c.1900

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

  • The article says the "owner/builder represents the rural Norwegian heritage of the area" while the Italianate structure itself is "an example of the ethnic settlements of early Norwegian Americans". These two almost-facts seem to have been conflated by this hook. - Dravecky (talk) 12:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Hi there. The Minnesota Historic Properties Inventory Form stated that it's criteria for selection was its agricultural, architectural and ethnic significance at the local level (versus national). The local level is rural Minnesota, which as our article on Norwegian Americans points out, is the home to the largest population of Norwegian descendants, don'tcha know? I was debating about using the word "fine" instead of "good", but I felt that wasn't quite right --but perhaps it would be given that the house is considered above average. I'm up for suggestions. --Bobak (talk) 17:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Acochlidiacea, Euopisthobranchia, Panpulmonata

drawing of the slug green shell-less slug

5x expanded by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 01:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully this reads slightly better and is a tad hookier. SmartSE (talk) 10:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I have fixed the prose of original hook for the ALT2. ALT1 is also fine. --Snek01 (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: There are two images available. Feel free to use both(!) or the only a photo. --Snek01 (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Frida Kahlo Museum (La Casa Azul)

A cobalt blue building which houses the Frida Kahlo Museum

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Cancer Cells

A purple ball with warm-like features

  • ... that research has shown that the failure to recognize cancer cells is caused by the lack of particular co-stimulated molecules that aid in the way antigens react with lymphocytes(pictured)?

Created/expanded by Venustas 12 (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, this is not even close to a 5x expansion within the last 5 days. -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Cancer_Cells&diff=prev&oldid=399812662

This article is only one day old (before that it was a workshop.) Venustas 12 (talk) 23:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

And it is still a workshop, and it is all your editing from the start. We require 5x expansion within 5-7 days, which is not seen here, but it can still be done, so good luck. Materialscientist (talk) 23:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I've quickly cleaned up formatting, but this should not mislead the reviewer - this article does need to be checked carefully, preferably by someone who knows this subject a bit. Materialscientist (talk) 00:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Article 9 of the Constitution of Singapore

Created by Emmanuel Benedict Lee (talk), Josephine chee (talk), Shalini Jayaraj (talk), Viknesh2010 (talk), Yeenseen (talk) and Smuconlaw (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 18:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

A7 (Croatia)

Motorway moise barrier completely enveloping a section of the motorway

  • ... that 34.4-kilometre (21.4 mi) A7 motorway (pictured) in Croatia was built over a 33-year period?

5x expanded by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 16:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

How about this one? (changing image accordingly)--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:42, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Or maybe this one is the best:--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Queen Vic Fire Week

Created by AnemoneProjectors (talk). Self nom at 15:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure. One reason is that usually one person sets alight to things... in your hook I have an image of a soap opera (not sure if this a a group a people, a concept or a corporate body) managing to strike matches. Another is the pun of "set on fire" which you are ignoring. Maybe more like
  • (alt).. DYK that when the BBC wanted to have the Eastenders pub set on fire... they decided to just have it(s) set on fire? or
  • (alt) DYK that when Eastenders pub was set on fire it was the set that was on fire?
Fine for quirky. And maybe I'm the only one who has a problem with the original. Do feel free to wait for another. Victuallers (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I was looking for quirky, not a pun on the word "set"... it doesn't really sounds right... I kind of agree about the "EastEnders lit its set on fire" as it's a TV show, not a person. Try this...

Daniel O'Brien (comedian)

5x expanded by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant sarcophagus

Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 12:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Added extra citation. The New Safe Confinement has the relevant citation in itself. Twilightchill t 17:42, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Walter T. Bailey

Created by IvoShandor (talk). Self nom at 07:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

  • An interesting read. I'd suggest a catchier hook, though. A couple suggestions:
Yeah, I thought of that first one earlier but neglected to post it. Any of those hooks work. IvoShandor (talk) 06:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Chase Aircraft

A bald-headed man with glasses, wearing a dark suit and tie, wears a confident smile.

5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 05:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


Geology of Masschusetts

Colors of ribbon run north to south over a map of the state of Massachusetts

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 04:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

  • The article references different pages of one book multiple times. Tip: A cleaner way to do this is <ref name="bkname">{{cite book |...}}</ref>{{rp|1}} ... <ref name="bkname"/>{{rp|2}} .... See the help page for citation template for more details. hth. Looks good otherwise. Woz2 (talk) 13:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
To prevent duplicating information you can then use the <ref name= "Scott p. 777">{{harvnb|NAME|YEAR|p=777}}</ref> harvnb citing template. -- Esemono (talk) 14:57, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Guanajuato

  • ... that while Guanajuato's economy was traditionally based on mining and agriculture, today about 30% is based on industry?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Very impressive article with lots of good hook material. I'd opt for something focusing on the architecture or history. Maybe something like:

Brian Halligan

Brian Halligan (right) with co-author David Meerman Scott on the book tour for Marketing Lessons...

Created by Woz2 (talk). Self nom at 04:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

*Fixed! Thanks! Woz2 (talk) 13:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 1

23 Minutes In Hell

Created by Vince the Red (talk), Drmies (talk). Nominated by Metropolitan90 (talk) at 09:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Bremo Bluff, Virginia

A plantation home in Bremo Bluff, Virginia

5x expanded by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 14:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Richard Goldman

  • ... that philantropist Richard Goldman and his wife established a prize in 1990 that has been dubbed "The Green Nobel"?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 12:52, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Creation date and source verified. The article is technically long enough, but I think the lead paragraph is just duplicate information. Might need to be expanded some more. - PM800 (talk) 23:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Aaron Kelton

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 02:44, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Ann Ward

  • ... that fashion model Ann Ward, who was mocked as a child due to her height, was the only contestant of America's Next Top Model to be named best photo five times in a row?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 02:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

First Hungarian Reformed Church of New York

A yellow building with a tower rising from the center, topped by a conical red roof.

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Brighton Hippodrome

A white stuccoed building with three-storey towers flanking a central recessed entrance bay with "HIPPODROME" on a panel beneath a parapet. A low glazed roof spans the façade.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


Venues of the 1988 Summer Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I suggest a better hook wording would be something like:
EdChem (talk) 13:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
All of them are good. Best choice, IMO, would be the third one. Thanks again. Chris (talk) 15:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Coffee production in India

Coffee Plantation in India

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 04:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The Kate Smith Show

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

  • The hook is currently linked to a page on magiclink.com, which appears to be a fan page or blog. Do you have any information indicating that magiclink.com is a reliable source? I suspect the information if correct, and the hook is a good one (IMO), but can you supply a more reliable source? Cbl62 (talk) 15:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Temple Beth Israel (Sharon, Pennsylvania)

5x expanded by Jayjg (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Paleoleishmania & Lutzomyia adiketis

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


Bedsitcom

Created by A Thousand Doors (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Comment: I'm not entirely sure that that's the most eloquent hook that I could've written. Basically, Bedsitcom documented the lives of six young adults in London. Three of them thought that they were taking part in a standard reality TV series about six young adults living together in a flat, and were unaware that the other three were actually actors being directed by a team of writers in a separate room. These three actors would often manipulate the three genuine contestants into doing the sorts of crazy things that might normally occur on a sitcom. Sources: . Can, err, anyone think of a succinct way of expressing that premise in a hook? A Thousand Doors (talk) 14:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
ALT1* ... that the reality TV programme Bedsitcom featured actors following the producer's instructions, as well as unaware members of the public, leading to it being labelled "morally reprehensible".
The number of actors and the channel it was on aren't too important, hopefully this gets it across and is interesting. SmartSE (talk) 10:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that's much better. Thanks very much, SmartSE! A Thousand Doors (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Slight varient ALT2* ... that the reality TV programme Bedsitcom featured shills (actors following the producer's instructions) who manipulated unsuspecting members of the public, leading to it being labelled "morally reprehensible". Woz2 (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Sarbufis

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

US Railcar

  • ... that despite being a builder of railroad rolling stock, US Railcar has no facilities with which to construct their products?

Created by C628 (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


Lee Kwon Mu

Created by User:Ed! (talk) and Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I'd rephrase the hook a little, though:
- "a friend ... of Kim" is a bit hard to follow, otherwise. Shimgray | talk | 23:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 2

Christopher Columbus (Vittori)

  • ... that "Christopher Columbus is the only monument at the Indiana Statehouse donated by immigrants, and it was intended by the Italians to be a tribute to America."?

5x expanded by Emilyjanowiak (talk). Nominated by Rearnold22 (talk) at 20:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Red Basilica

West side of the Red Basilica

Created by Prioryman (talk) 17:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Salvation Army Headquarters (Saint Paul, Minnesota)

Salvation Army Headquarters

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Mashteuiatsh, Quebec

5x expanded by P199 (talk). Self nom at 16:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Samuel Lucas

  • ... that this year a U.S. Embassy attache visited the tomb of Samuel Lucas who lived to hear the "tidings of the destruction of the slave power in the United States"?
  • Comment: alt hooks welcome

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Jackson Mine

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 12:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I could only get to the second of your offered refs but the article's ref 2 covered both points - thanks - although I think the word "when" could be accurately be changed to "where"? Victuallers (talk) 15:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
1) I agree "where" is better, and have changed the hook accordingly. 2) Although the point is moot, the first citation is more explicit. For reference, the cite read in part, " is attractive in the iron ore region of Michigan and the entire Lake Superior region, because of the fact it was here that the first discovery of iron ore was made, here the first mining was done, and from its ore the first iron was manufactured." Actually, I think I'll add that quote to the article. :) Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

SS Persier (1918)

5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Pete Rummell

Rummell at age 62

Created by Mgreason (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

O'Brien Alston

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thor: God of Thunder

Created by TriiipleThreat (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Bustard Head Light

Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

  • I don't follow. AHD19181 is Australian Heritage Database item 19181, just click on AHD19181 and it will take you to the references section (it's the 5th item in that section). It clearly verifies the facts I hooked I believe. --Muhandes (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the guidance. I was expecting to be able to text search for the tem.... but I found it now. No problem with the main hook. The alt hook slightly overstates what I read. The ref seemed to say that it and another were part of the start of this new method of construction. If you could change first to something more definite then that too.
I see your point "marks the beginning of a new trend" may not be the first. I'll have to research this a bit more. For now I changed it to "one of the first". --Muhandes (talk) 07:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Main hook Victuallers (talk) 23:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Spoons sex position

A male and a female having sexual intercourse in the spoons position

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Arnold Aronson

Created by Dwalls (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict

A woman grieves over a older man who lies dead.

5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 16:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

  • ... umm "as well as"? reads to me as if the group protects "innocent victims" as well as those "caught in crossfire". I'm willing to bet the second set are innocent victims too... and why are they "inevitably caught" and not just "caught"? Ill try and think of a new hook Victuallers (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I tried to find a new hook but found the article too wordy (coi?). I think this needs a second opinion. imo this reads as if the article is not about the Campaign, more like it is the campaign - and we shouldn't do that. Victuallers (talk) 16:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Burnham-on-Sea Lifeboat Station

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Platt-LePage Aircraft Company, Platt-LePage XR-1

An early helicopter with side-by-side rotors, bubble cockpit and American World War II-era insignia

5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

FIFA's Dirty Secrets

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 3

Bobby Treviño

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Deir ez-Zor Museum

Created by Zoeperkoe (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

E. R. Minchew

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

John McKechnie (coach)

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Perry Nelson House

Perry Nelson House

  • ... that, dubbed the "House of Politics", the Perry Nelson House (pictured) was a place where Yankee farmers and politicians discussed issues of the day?

Created/expanded by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 00:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


T. L. Bayne

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

H. T. Summersgill

Photograph of a male from the shoulders up, with his hair parted down the middle wearing a 1900s vintage suit and bow tie

Created/expanded by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 00:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Achatina vassei

apertural view

  • ... that shells of Achatina vassei (pictured) are held by only two museums worldwide?

Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Achatina vassei (pictured) is a rare species of malacofauna of Mozambique?

--Snek01 (talk) 23:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

George Yeager

  • ... that baseball catcher George Yeager had his best season cut short after 19 games due to a knee injury?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Fort Julien

Created and nominated by Prioryman (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Jaitapur Nuclear Power Project

5x expanded by Sachinvenga (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yan Emperor

Relief sculptures of the Yan Emperor and the Yellow Emperor

  • ... that a 2004 academic conference in China concluded that the Sheep's Head Mountains, north of Gaoping, Shanxi Province, was the homeland of the legendary Yan Emperor?

5x expanded by White whirlwind (talk). Self nom at 17:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Battle of Flint River

5x expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 16:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

The Five Orders of Architecture

Created by Fram (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Clotted Cream

5x expanded by Worm That Turned (talk) and User:Smalljim (talk). Nominated by Worm That Turned (talk) at 13:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Although the suggested hook is generally true, and perhaps traditionally true, it can be quite contentious - see Talk:Cream tea. But, if you want to spark an argument vigorous debate in Devon and Cornwall, go for it! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, I thought that might get people in, it is sourced and most importantly I didn't say WHICH was right... but that was one of my main reasons for putting up the alts!Worm 14:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
  • My maths says ~1500 to ~8500 is ok, let me know if I've got that wrong! Also, I've got some ALTS if that hook isn't hooky enough, please do say which you think is best!Worm 13:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that clotted cream has such a high fat content that in United States of America it would be classed as butter?
ALT2 ... that in the run up to Christmas, one manufacturer produces up to 25 tonnes (25,000 kg) of clotted cream per day?
Is ALT2 nice for 25 December? Although I have to say that the original is, sort of, geekier ;) -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 06:52, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Not a bad idea, my least favourite of the hooks, but if we are short on Xmas ones, it would do the job Worm 10:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Park Performing Arts Center

Created by Djflem (talk). Self nom at 08:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Richie McCaw

Portrait shot showing the face of a young man wearing a black jersey with the words ADIDAS on the right and All Blacks under a silver fern on the left

5x expanded by Aircorn (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Here's the source AIRcorn (talk) 12:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
  • The source says "first player to win the award three times since its inception in 2001" and the lede says "named the International Rugby Board (IRB) International Player of The Year a record three times" but the actual cited hook fact merely says "McCaw was again honored by being named the IRB International Player of the Year for the second successive season, and three times in total". The hook fact with the citation needs to explicitly state that this is a record, both for DYK and to support the lede. - Dravecky (talk) 08:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I just changed the cited hook fact to more closely resemble the hook and added a second citation that uses the word record. AIRcorn (talk) 22:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Shauna Cross

5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 07:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Sandolo

The Sandolo, which lacks the Gondola's high prow

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 07:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Sandy Cape

Created by Shiftchange (talk). Self nom at 02:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

communication privacy management theory

Created/expanded by Jncraton (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)



Great Recoinage of 1816

Created by Andrewrabbott (talk). Self nom at 10:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

No doubt there are many such rules for DYK. Where are they posted, so that we don't run afoul of the enforcers?--Wetman (talk) 20:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

No. 72 Wing RAAF

Four single-engined military aircraft in formation over an island

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 10:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Elsa Chauvel

  • ... that Australian actress and filmmaker Elsa Chauvel met her future husband Charles when he scouted her for the lead role in his second film?

Created by Ackatsis (talk). Nominated by Gonzonoir (talk) at 11:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

  • ALT:... that Australian actress and filmmaker Elsa Chauvel met her future husband Charles when he scouted her for the lead role in Greenhide?
Comment: I just created an article for the film in question (1723 characters) and thought it might be a good idea to integrate this into the hook, pending the nominator's approval. Ackatsis (talk) 13:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
ALT hook looks great to me - not that my approval should really be important :) Gonzonoir (talk) 13:52, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Heritage (film)

  • ... that Charles Chauvel conceived his Australian historical film Heritage in order to maximise his likelihood of winning a £2,500 Commonwealth Prize?

Created by Ackatsis (talk). Self nom at 12:17, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

IS (Infinite Stratos)

  • ... that the Chinese translations of the light novel IS (Infinite Stratos) was under indefinite suspension because the publisher had entered into overseas contracts without the writer's consent?

5x expanded by Ike-bana (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 4

Wolffia arrhiza

Wolffia arrhiza

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Self nom at 09:53, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


1000 Miles Apart

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Santorini (wine)

Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Comment: Primary refs (FN #1) Oxford Companion to Wine and (FN#2) Vintage in history section, however online ref (FN#3) can also aid in verification Agne/ 00:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The ravens of the Tower of London

London tower ravens

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk) . Self nom at 23:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Eliseo Medina

A 62-year-old Mexican American male speaking before a United States legislative committee.

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Bigger (Justin Bieber song)

  • ALT1:... that Monica Herrerra of Billboard praised Justin Bieber's song "Bigger", calling his vocals "boyish as they are disarmingly mature"?

Created by Candyo32 (talk). Nominated by Adabow (talk) at 21:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Siege of Pensacola (1707)

Created by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

History of hotel fires in the United States

Winecoff Hotel Plaque of the Winecoff Hotel fire

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 21:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed the img of rescue operation of Dupont Plaza Hotel and replaced with img of the Winecoff Hotel. Another img of a plaque about the fire is also added now to chose.-- N.V.V. Char . 06:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Leon Trotsky Museum, Mexico City

Graffiti art of Leon Trotsky

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 20:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Yellow-fronted Parrot

  • Comment: hang on as I can expand other species...

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), Snowmanradio (talk), Rabo3 (talk). Self nom at 20:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Tower of Wooden Pallets, Daniel Van Meter

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Şeyh Süleyman Mosque

The Şeyh Süleyman Mosque in a drawing of Galanakis, 1877

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self nom at 18:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Date and length are good. Some issues to fix though. The Location section is an uncited paragraph. The hook states that the mosque used to be the monastery's library, which contradicts the article. According to the article, the original role of the building is unknown and it may have been a library or a burial place. — Toдor Boжinov20:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Adam Houghton

Richard II and Anne of Bohemia, from the Liber Regalis

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 18:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Andrew Sinclair (botanist)

Portrait of a middle aged man

  • Comment: Moved into article space on 4 December.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 18:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Kalvdans

Kalvdans, a traditional Swedish dessert

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 18:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Charlton Monypenny

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at FruitMonkey (talk) 15:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Olof Åhlström

  • ... that the composer Olof Åhlström, who had parallel careers as a civil servant in the Swedish war office and an organist in two Stockholm churches, also founded the first larger-scale musical printing press in Sweden?

Created by Hegvald (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Ed Poole

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 10:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Al Jacks

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 05:26, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

James A. McIntyre

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 03:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

The Obama Identity

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Self nom at 01:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Multiple issues tags present, sourcing is thin, text is mostly plot-related, and the 'article' from Vanity Fair is a single paragraph introducing an excerpt from the novel. - Dravecky (talk) 07:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Robert Dale Owen Memorial

Pedestal of missing bust of Robert Dale Owen

5x expanded by Emtrix (talk). Nominated by RichardMcCoy (talk) at 14:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 5

Giovanni Gaetano Orsini (cardinal)

Cameo of Pope Nicholas III, another Giovanni Gaetano Orsini

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


Down to Earth (Justin Bieber song)

Created by Candyo32 (talk). Nominated by Adabow (talk) at 05:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Bill Harrelson

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 02:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Tart Noir

Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 02:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)



Aphis fabae

Black bean aphid

Created by User:Cwmhiraeth (User talk:Cwmhiraeth). Self nom at 09:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


Project Isinglass

  • Comment: Although significantly expanded and improved in all respects, this article has not been expanded by 5x. However, virtually all of the article in its previous state was a cut-and-paste copyvio from here.

5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For December 10

This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request that the two articles Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks that were moved to article space on 24 October, now be held for a December 10 hook. These two mixed martial arts fighters were due to face each other in a championship bout on October 28; their bout was postponed at the last moment. On December 10, there will be three bouts for inaugural global championship (different weight divisions) and our intention is for a 6-article hook for that date. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby

Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Please note: All 6 articles in this hook have been worked on by both nominators in user space, and were moved to article space today. For ease of checking, this link from M-1 Global confirms the match ups and the championships each fighter holds, this link confirms that Grishin was replaced due to injury. Suggestions for alternative (shorter) hooks most welcome, we had trouble coming up with something sufficiently short that mentioned all seven fighters (Taisumov is not a new article). EdChem (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
More compact hook to consider... EdChem (talk) 19:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT1: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, M-1 Global's mixed martial arts world championships are being decided in the lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) divisions?
ALT2: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, MMA bouts will determine M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) Champions?
ALT3: * ... that M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) MMA Champions will be determined today in St. Petersburg?
In addition to EdChem's comments, I'd like to request the Oct 28, 1p.m. London time slot, due to the event starting at 11.30 EST that day. I think this would give the hook time to ....hook prior to the event starting and also cover a little bit during the event. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Added ALT3 - shorter still, and brings the bolded names close to the start of the hook. I am comfortable with whichever of these the reviewers might feel is most suitable. EdChem (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talkcontribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Please see WT:DYK as myself and EdChem have laid out a proposal concerning this matter. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The goal 6-article hook would be something like:

* ... that M-1 Global's welterweight (Tom Gallicchio vs. Shamil Zavurov) middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks), and light heavyweight (Tomasz Narkun vs. Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) MMA Champions will be determined at M-1 Challenge XXII today?

Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC). Tom Gallicchio, Shamil Zavurov, Tomasz Narkun and Vyacheslav Vasilevsky Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at TIME and DATE to follow.

Updating work on these articles will be completed over the next few weeks in user space; the four new articles will be moved into article space in early December. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

December 25 2010

Wannalancit Mills

  • ... that the Wannalancit Mill Complex is normally the site of a 256 foot tall Christmas tree for the past ten years, but was without it this year because of the cost of lighting over 5,000 bulbs?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Unto Us is Born a Son

A 16th century music book.

New article by Rob (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC) . It would be quite nice to see this up sometime on or after the 28th November (1st day of Advent), although any time in the Christmas period would be good.

  • A very nice well-referenced article with an offline citation accepted IGF. Just a little point; we need a reference to the image, something like (x pictured) — then it's fine. And, why not nominate it for Christmas Day itself (no nominations yet, and more appropriate than in Advent)?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! I've added the little description. It would be quite nice to see it on Christmas day I suppose, although I assumed that because it's already written it wouldn't pass the "new article" criteria. (I thought it was more useful to post the article before Christmas than wait until nearer the day in case somebody looks it up for a carol service!) Is there a holding area for Christmas day I could add it to? Rob (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Late December 2010

Circumcision of Jesus

The Circumcision of Christ painting by Friedrich Herlin

Created by Raul654 (talk) and User:Johnbod. Self nom at 22:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Image fine, refs look good, removed stub assessment, but not sure you are allowed an external in line ref in the text? Although I agree it looks neat here. Tick when resolved Victuallers (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I was, so Victuallers (talk) 09:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I've added myself to the nom, as I wrote most of it. Johnbod (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I corrected the artist in the caption here and in the article, the painting illustrated is by Friedrich Herlin, not Fritz Herlen. Moonraker2 (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Cincinnati Riot of 1853

Andrew McKinley, Leon Lishner

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

  • My plan is to make this a tripple nom with Aiken and Lishner. If reviewers could please hold off until those articles are also created, I would appriciate it. Also I would like this to be up at 7:00 PM New York City Time on Christmas Eve if possible, which is the place and time the original production was performed at its premiere.4meter4 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mark Miodownik

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

He will give the lectures, spanning a few days, in "late December". I think they usually start a few days before Christmas. 2009 event was 21–25 December. There'll be more info as the event approaches of course. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

  • Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
    Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? Silverseren 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
  • per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

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