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• A series of attacks by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leaves more than a hundred people dead.

The number killed in Catatumbo is erroneous. The figure of 100 comes from France 24 but that is reporting "across three Colombian departments -- from the remote Amazon jungle in the south to the mountainous northeastern border with Venezuela". The breakdown seems to be 80 in the north and 20 in the south so 80+20=100. But these numbers seem to be rough estimates because these regions are quite wild. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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Amakuru removed View from the Window at Le Gras (File:Untitled (point de vue), Niépce 1827 — HRC 2020 (cropped).jpg) from Template:POTD/2025-01-23, and I replaced it with File:Garlic bulbs and cloves.jpg; however, both of us missed that the protected version had already been manually created for some reason. Can someone replace the protected version with the new garlic POTD? Jay8g 00:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jay8g: ooh, good spot, thank you.  Fixed.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:04, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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Jimmy Wales' Mug

Any chance of losing that bizzare, psycopathic-seeming gaze on the banner?!? It really freaks me out! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.208.77.97 (talk) 01:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Shame, when I read the heading I thought maybe some entrepreneurial soul had begun selling coffee mugs with Jimbo's terrifying stare plastered over it. So he can watch you while you sleep. GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 16:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I also thought you ment mugs as in tea and coffee mugs; but it Caught your attention didn't it? mission acomplished woudln't you say seeing as it's a fundraising banner? :) --Connelly90 (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

As someone who's had a hand in fundraising in the past, I'll point out for the sake of argument, that catching people's attention can be a useful aspect of fundraising, but if a line is crossed into irritation, it's not a good thing. Whether the Jimbo banner is irritating or not seems to be the OP's point, not whether it's eye-catching. If I came to an office as a one man band and suddenly began playing, with the aim of prompting donations, I'm sure I'd get noticed, but I'm not sure I'd get much money (or goodwill). --Dweller (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Me, I found it so irritating that I looked in the source files to find the filename of the Jimbo photo used, and add it to my browser's content filter. Whenever a new image was used, I'd add it to the blocklist. Now that it's no longuer Jimbo, I don't mind as much. Still, they could make the banner not so huge. 76.10.140.44 (talk) 02:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I for one enjoy being greeted by his lovely visage while perusing wikipedia. Perhaps him and Andy Shclafay and do a callander —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.22.16.52 (talk) 21:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Can we all agree that Lilaroja was hot and she should be the official spokesgirl of Misplaced Pages?184.190.207.21 (talk) 20:35, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps there #should# be official WP mugs (which can be right or left handled - ie which hand you use to hold the mug to see the image).

Would Uncyclopedia have a hot potato? Jackiespeel (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I would much rather have ads on Misplaced Pages than this desperate cry for donations. Targeted ads would easily raise what Wikimedia needs and would help a lot of businesses reach their potential clients. And yes, the ugly mug is creepy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.210.249 (talk) 17:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

This "urgent" appeal is embarrassing. The Misplaced Pages fundraiser has been wildly successful; it is not good PR to seem desperate to milk every penny out of your users. Misplaced Pages is not in dire financial straights. --64.53.233.71 (talk) 08:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

And it would be better PR to say "please donate but don't feel too obliged to, we've got plenty money either way"? Nah.  f o x  12:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Did you know

Could "... that a turning enthusiast built the most elaborate commercial building (pictured) in New Ulm, Minnesota?" be better phrased with "New Ulm's most elaborate commercial building" because otherwise it somehow looks like it features as one of the most elaborate commercial buildings anywhere and that has its own problems of objectivity??Eugene-elgato (talk) 11:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

People have given up on Misplaced Pages's front page

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

It's obvious the last couple of years Misplaced Pages front page lost its appeal to the people (nobody cares to even debate it anymore, with so few visitors about it) because it refuses to allow democratic procedures other than "we'll take into consideration your petty suggestions, peasant". If you want to improve it, stop putting Directors, "Arbitrators" and Know-it-alls in general on any section of the front page sub-themes and start learning from websites like reddit.com. Let people submit whatever and the best news, 'did you know', whatever, even page will go top *by simple visitor 'upvoting'*. Because your Elitism of having "enlightened" or only regular visitors with the process of writing in a wiki format with lengthy reasonings is not justified. You will never replace Democracy with "Enlightened Elites". This was the vision of every fascist regime in the history of the world and it failed. --Leladax (talk) 16:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

To submit and vote on "Did you Know" Items, Click Here

To submit and vote on "In the News" items, Click Here

To submit and vote on "Featured Articles" Click Here (To request that they appear on a particular day Click Here.

To submit and vote on "Featured Pictures" click here. (They appear in order, and there's a long queue, so be patient.)

Sorry that the selection process isn't exactly the same as Digg or something, but in most things Misplaced Pages prefers intelligent debate over mindless voting. So be prepared to back up your opinions with a brief argument.

Ultimately, though, the end result is similar, our users choose and "vote" on the articles that go up on the main page.

The only un-democratic step is the Featured Article selection process. It's moderated by a single editor to avoid unseemly "clumping" of topics, but he's usually pretty open to suggestions and requests. 72.10.110.109 (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Responding to Leladax's screed above, I've been complaining for almost two weeks that there haven't been enough main page featured article requests. See this thread. I'll give you guys a tip - if there's a featured article you want on the main page, request it in the non-specific date slot. That almost guarantees I'll use it the next time I schedule some featured articles. Raul654 (talk) 17:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Leladax, you are aware that Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, right? Corvus cornix_talk 19:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Have I been in a coma for a few years? When did debate on the main page stop? Nil Einne (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps at the same time pageviews fell from about sixty a second to near-zero? Algebraist 21:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps Leladax would care to explain how 4-6 million views a day qualifies as "so few visitors"? Last time I checked, those were pretty big numbers.--Fyre2387 21:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Leladax, I remember your last post on this page. It was titled The Front Page is slowly turning to a propaganda leaflet of the US State Department. and you went on to state all of the editors who worked on putting the main page together were "trolls belonging to stormfront.org. --Banana (talk) 05:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

You are a propagandist troll. If you don't provide evidence of the lie you just said remove your comment. I never said all wikipedians are fascists because, moron, I'm one of them. --Leladax (talk) 20:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

WP:NPA. I'm sure it's not the first time that page has been pointed out to you. Corvus cornix_talk 20:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Revision made at 17:33, September 13, 2010 by User:Leladax. Will that do as evidence? GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 20:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

WP:DFTT. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 11:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Let's just all move on, shall we? I think the past few comments make it clear nothing will be gained from continuing this particular discussion.--Fyre2387 23:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Voyager 1 has NOT reached the heliopause

The incorrect "In the news" item should be dropped. WolfmanSF (talk) 10:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

As the reference in the article does not confirm this (that Voyager reached heliopause), I have withdrawn that ITN item. I should also remove that line from the article, but am waiting for reaction. Materialscientist (talk) 10:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

This wasn't a copyvio or anything urgent, so should not have been removed from the template before discussion. The blurb made no mention of it actually reaching it—just states the fact the scientists say it has shown signs of doing so. As there was consensus (albeit with limited discussion) to list it at ITN and the removal was unilateral and without discussion, it should be restored. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 11:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

With pleasure, after a reference is provided for the stated fact. Materialscientist (talk) 11:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

make changes  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.61.70 (talk) 21:30, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Million milestones

Does anyone know which the 3,500,000th article was? We might want to update Misplaced Pages:Million milestones, for the sake of its completeness. --Theurgist (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Main Page archiving

Many people wonder what the main page looked like on a given day. I suggest archiving the main page daily by getting a bot to use Special:ExpandTemplates on the source and save the result in a dated page. I just created Misplaced Pages:Main Page history/2010 December 16 as an example. All templates and parser functions are recursively expanded by Special:ExpandTemplates so the result should look almost constant except for some details like sitenotices, deleted or changed images, and design changes in the software. It could also be done every 4 or 6 hours to capture DYK changes but daily seems enough to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Seems to me that this would better be fleshed out and placed on Misplaced Pages:Bot requests. You don't need our approval to set this up as it doesn't affect the Main Page itself. - BanyanTree 07:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I would like to hear what people think before going to bot requests. I don't think anything like this has been done before. Is there interest in such an archive which would grow to thousands of pages in a decade? It would make lots of bot generated pages meant to never be edited again. I don't want to watch them all for vandalism or unwanted changes, which would be nearly all changes including corrections. Would it be acceptable to fully protect all of them? Are there license problems if contributors to the substituted templates are hard to track down? And for something affecting the Main Page, should such an archive be linked directly from there or only from the talk page? Without a Main Page link, the archive would have lower profile and there would be less reason to make it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

This is the wrong place for this kind of debate. Go to WP:VP - and get an advert on WP:CENT (and the Signpost may be interested, too). --Dweller (talk) 13:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Bottom Section

Haven't you noticed that Korean has passed the 150,000 articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.180.39.164 (talk) 18:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I have updated {{Misplaced Pages languages}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Great! - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.180.39.164 (talk) 19:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Today's featured article, The Simpsons Game, has wrong image

Instead of an image of the game itself, it shows a picture of a sign in front of a game studio that makes thousands of games. The article is about the game, not the company that distributed it. Can someone change that? Dream Focus 01:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I imagine that was because it is the only non fair use rationale image there was in the article. Fair use images are not allowed on the main page. − Jhenderson 01:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

It would look better without an image at all. That image is jarringly off-topic. Zagalejo^^^ 07:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I can't argue with that. ;) − Jhenderson 16:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. LFaraone 16:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. This game is not only made by Electronic Arts, it is about Electronic Arts. The game makes fun of the company consistently throughout the plot and the game's antagonist is Will Wright, who was, at the time, an employee of Electronic Arts. The image is an appropriate one. Neelix (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

If the featured article were Electronic Arts, the image would be reasonably illustrative. But for a video game produced by Electronic Arts (and even spoofing it in its story), it was a desperate stretch to include anything remotely relevant to the article's subject, purely for the sake of having an image. I support the image's removal. —David Levy 17:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

If the image of the EA sign is not to be readded, surely an image of the game's head writer would be acceptable. Neelix (talk) 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

While that would be less bad, it still doesn't strike me as preferable to no image at all. Even the display of a book's author (for which the video game equivalent would be, for example, a photograph of David Crane alongside a blurb about Pitfall!) is less than ideal.

The article isn't about Matt Selman, so it once again comes down to including an image purely for the sake of including an image.

Two questions that are helpful to ask are:

• Will the image's general nature be readily apparent to most readers seeing the blurb (before they read the caption)?
• Would we seriously consider including the image in the article's infobox?

If the answer to both questions is "no," the image probably isn't particularly suitable. —David Levy 17:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Concern of fanaticism on Urdu Misplaced Pages

Hello, I would like an admin to take a look at some articles on the Urdu wikipedia, especially this one.

They clearly spell hatred for others by extremists, and should be deleted immediately.

Kind Regards.

--184.171.168.202 15:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.171.168.202 (talk)

An administrator on the English Misplaced Pages cannot assist you there. Perhaps make your request at this page on Meta-Wiki instead. Thanks!  f o x  15:30, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

No love for the Wright Brothers?!?

On Dec. 17th (today) I was surprised to find no mention anywhere -- "Did you know.." "On this day..", Featured article, nor photo -- of the Wright Brothersn historic first flight. Dec. 17, 1903 is generally accepted as the first human flight in a heavier-than-air powered vehicle. Just wondering why such an Earth changing event wasn't highlighted. Sector001 (talk) 16:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. Now you can see a relevant item in the "On this day..." column. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I had originally swapped out the Wright Brothers item because they'd been on for several years consecutively and other articles should get their shot on OTD as well. Today also was the 75th anniversary of the Douglas DC-3, and I felt one airplane item was enough. Remember that OTD doesn't highlight every event every year. howcheng {chat} 16:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Coolness. Much thanks for the change and the explanation. Honest, I wasn't trying to be a troublemaker. =) Sector001 (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I do like how the invention of a new ridiculous neologism "earth-changing" was necessary to present your point.  f o x  19:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Glad I could help Fox. Consider it your Christmas prezzie. Actually, the event was more "sky-changing" than "earth-changing".lol Sector001 (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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