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| Hello Timotheus, The problem is that the discussion has started to become lopsided with hardly any representation from Hungarian users as well. Another aspect of concern is that when the article was nominated a second time for deletion, we came to know about it by accident when we tried to view the page. Under the circumstances, I thought it pertinent to intimate other users about the discussion, as otherwise they might never know about the discussion until it is concluded. If you look at the body of the message posted in the concerned User Talks pages, I clearly ask them to contribute with their views - that is the help I was asking for. Nowhere am I asking them to post a certain opinion favourable to my point of view. Warm regards, ] (]) 15:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC) | Hello Timotheus, The problem is that the discussion has started to become lopsided with hardly any representation from Hungarian users as well. Another aspect of concern is that when the article was nominated a second time for deletion, we came to know about it by accident when we tried to view the page. Under the circumstances, I thought it pertinent to intimate other users about the discussion, as otherwise they might never know about the discussion until it is concluded. If you look at the body of the message posted in the concerned User Talks pages, I clearly ask them to contribute with their views - that is the help I was asking for. Nowhere am I asking them to post a certain opinion favourable to my point of view. Warm regards, ] (]) 15:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC) | ||
| :"The discussion has started to become lopsided with hardly any representation from Hungarian users" I don't think there is a clear unbalance, as there are 4 Romanian participants and 2 Hungarians (you and Hobartimus). (] (]) 16:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)) | :"The discussion has started to become lopsided with hardly any representation from Hungarian users" I don't think there is a clear unbalance, as there are 4 Romanian participants and 2 Hungarians (you and Hobartimus). (] (]) 16:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)) | ||
| Hello Timotheus, It is quite difficult to ascertain from Hobartimus's page if he Hungarian. And he has not made a conclusive decision either for Keep or Delete. | |||
| == A premature decision? == | == A premature decision? == | ||
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Abolition of Prostitution deletion
Would you mind amending the deletion closure to indicate a merge to Feminist views on prostitution as well as Prostitution and the law? Several of us indicated this was a closer match in the deletion discussion and would avoid deleting quite as much material.--Carwil (talk) 13:01, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
- Merge it wherever you want. AfD merge closes are generally not binding as to the merge target. T. Canens (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
KSL Bug
I have just discovered a bug when using KSL to report usernames at WP:UAA. In this diff I reported a user via KSL and the application created 3 duplicate entries. Pol430 talk to me 14:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- Did they update the bot to have the "<!-- Marked -->" comment? Anyway, fixed in r41. Download the new version. T. Canens (talk) 14:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- Not sure about the "<!-- Marked -->" comment. Thanks for the fix though Pol430 talk to me 16:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Deletion of an article which was decided as "keep"
Hello Timotheus,
This is regarding the article "Janos Boros" who is a Hungarian Politician. In 2009 there was some move by Romanian users of Misplaced Pages to have this article deleted. The deletion request was rejected and the Article was kept based on the discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Janos_BOROS . A re-nomination for deletion by User:P199, User:Biruitorul and User:Iaaasi seems ill-motivated in total ignorance of the discussion and conclusions that have happened already in 2009. This way all articles on Misplaced Pages can be endlessly nominated for deletion after each decision to keep. Please do consider all the discussion that have taken place for the article, not just the ones by the three users who re-nominated for delete. In the light of facts and fairness towards the article, we request you to un-delete the article.
Regards.--Hangakiran (talk) 21:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- Reopened and relisted. T. Canens (talk) 21:38, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello Timotheus, Thank you very much for relisting and opening up the debate. appreciate the fairness.
Regards. Hangakiran (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- Hello Timotheus! I'd like to inform you that the AFD discussion could be affected these days by the mass canvassing of User:Hangakiran, who asked for help to 12 Hungarian users on three projects (hu.wp, en.wp and meta). More details here: (Iaaasi (talk) 15:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC))
Hello Timotheus, The problem is that the discussion has started to become lopsided with hardly any representation from Hungarian users as well. Another aspect of concern is that when the article was nominated a second time for deletion, we came to know about it by accident when we tried to view the page. Under the circumstances, I thought it pertinent to intimate other users about the discussion, as otherwise they might never know about the discussion until it is concluded. If you look at the body of the message posted in the concerned User Talks pages, I clearly ask them to contribute with their views - that is the help I was asking for. Nowhere am I asking them to post a certain opinion favourable to my point of view. Warm regards, Hangakiran (talk) 15:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
- "The discussion has started to become lopsided with hardly any representation from Hungarian users" I don't think there is a clear unbalance, as there are 4 Romanian participants and 2 Hungarians (you and Hobartimus). (Iaaasi (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC))
Hello Timotheus, It is quite difficult to ascertain from Hobartimus's page if he Hungarian. And he has not made a conclusive decision either for Keep or Delete.
A premature decision?
Hi Timotheus. On February 21 user:passionless was topic banned on I/P related articles. Apparently you replaced user:Passionless's topic ban on I/P related articles with 1 R/R per week restriction. It could have been a premature decision. The user demonstrates rather tendentious editing pattern in the topic area. Please see this report. The user was only warned for it, but as user:CIreland said: "I would have blocked if I had seen this first"
In this revert #3 (made 17 minutes after the first two reverts) user:Passionless removed well sourced information. Of course that edit was reverted at once (not by me). Before that the user nominated the article on deletion. The user claimed it to be WP:Event and told me at my talk page that "Really, hundreds of people are murdered everyday, with most of them getting some air time in their nation's newspapers". IN AFD the user calls this "merely a non significant double murder". Timotheus, it was said about two 13 and 14 years old boys, who were stoned to death. It was said about the boy, whose story prompted US Congress to adopt the Act of Koby Mandell.
In this comment the user calls Jerusalem Post "a local paper", and claims that "US congress which many of the keep voters mentioned was never passed". I understand that the latest claim was brought up by confusion expressed by another user, but when the confusion was cleared up, that claim should have been stricken out, but it never have. If you to add to all of the above filing an not actionable AE on user:B, and user:passionless behavior on a not the same but a very related topic it really looks the topic will benefit with user:passionless taking a break.
Regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:25, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- Apologies about the delay. I'd prefer that this be taken to AE so that we can get more eyes on it (and give Passionless an opportunity to respond) before any action is taken. T. Canens (talk) 04:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Question
Hello. Sorry for disturbing you, but I don't understand why you have restored the article about Janos Boros. In the previous AfD discussion there were 3 participants, and all of them supported the deletion. I thought it is clear that it does not pass WP:GNG or WP:POLITICIAN. Can you please give me some details? Thanks in advance (Iaaasi (talk) 22:37, 21 March 2011 (UTC))
- The first AfD closed as no consensus after a vigorous debate and someone brought up sources (which may or may not withstand scrutiny). Then in the second AfD the three people who commented didn't bother to address the keeps from the first AfD at all. You can't deny that there's the appearance that the second AfD sneaked through - and appearance is just as important in those cases. T. Canens (talk) 04:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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Reply at AE
You wrote that "The idea that one edit cannot be edit warring, while perhaps superficiality appealing, does not hold up under scrutiny.". This is not what I (or others) were saying. Yes, under extreme circumstances, such as coordinated edit warring, socking and so on, one edit can be edit warring. But those are not the circumstances here. Making a single edit in an ongoing edit war should not make one an edit warrior, one revert is permissible. It is the second revert that makes one into an edit warrior, and that condition was not met by VM (who generally made talk comments, and reverted once only after days passed with nobody replying to him). I believe that VM was acting within BRD, that one of his reverts ended up being in the middle of a (slow) edit war should not be seen as a problem. If there is an edit war going somewhere, I go, I post at talk, I get no replies and and then make a single revert to the article (with an informative edit summary, explaining my rationale and asking editors to join me at talk) am I edit warring? I very much think no (and this is what VM did). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:00, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- It's a hypothetical in response to someone's claim that "no reasonable person should consider a single edit to be edit warring"; a general comment only. I thought I was quite clear that I didn't have an opinion on VM's conduct - largely since I haven't yet reviewed the history myself in detail. T. Canens (talk) 04:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)