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Sorry about the block, which I have now lifted

Um... Not really the response you deserve for limiting the vandalism, but I have now undone the block I did - and totally my mistake, as I was hitting buttons as fast as I could. Sorry about that. Did you know another editor I mistakenly blocked has become a respected admin? I hope that that is some little, um, comfort... Er, really sorry. LessHeard vanU (talk) 01:52, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem. It's difficult to contain that kind of vandalism. Thanks for the explanation & reversal. Jarkeld (talk) 01:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

deleted submission

Hi, I would really like to know why my submission om Mike Pagan, has been deleted, apparently for the subject not being notable enough, however there is a similar page on Roger Harrop who is equally "not notable" that has been acceptedCharlie Jones (talk) 11:10, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

For the first step please read: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS on why that argument is invalid.

Secondly, the article does not signify why we should have an article on him.

Lastly, no reliable sources, independent of the subject, were cited, so even if there was a claim to notability, we still can't accept the submission.

I took a look the page you mentioned: there is a claim to notability, only there are no reliable sources cited. This will be corrected soon.

Btw: the article on Harrop wasn't made via the Afc process & your Afc article hasn't been deleted, just declined. Jarkeld (talk) 22:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jarkeld, Thanks for the explanation, I am new to this, I will have another look at it. Just one more question, you say the article on Harrop wasn't made via the Afc process, How was it made then, what other way is there? Charlie Jones (talk) 10:08, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

It was created in main article space. When you search for a certain subject and it does not exist, for example: there is a text mentioning that you can create the article yourself: "You may create the page "Huldtoneel", but consider checking the search results below to see whether it is already covered." If you click the red linked title, you'll be taken to the page and you can start editing.

Any page you create must be notable as outlined in the general notability guideline and has to be verifiable via reliable sources. Jarkeld (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

declined submission

Hi Jarkeld, {{helpme}} Could you give me a better explanation on my recent submission for Mayor Nick Mason being declined? I understand the third party sources but I still think i'm missing something. Any help would be very appreciated. I willing to learn and change what is necessary. DonnieDog (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Donnie. Your question appears to be directed at Jarkeld specifically. When you leave a message on a person's talk page the next time they log in they get a giant orange banner across the top of every page they visit that says "you have new messages", and that banner persists until they visit their talk page. The helpme template calls users who monitor the "Wikipedians looking for help" category to your request, and so it has no use here. Note that the template is normally placed on a user's 'own talk page, given what it is for. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:24, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Independent review by Chzz

Jarkeld, I'm pretty confident you won't mind me jumping in here. I hope this is appropriate.  Chzz  ►  01:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Mayor Nick Mason

DonnieDog, in the 'decline', Jarkeld left a comment regarding WP:POLITICIAN. It would be helpful if you could review that link, and specifically explain which of those 3 criteria you believe the individual meets, and explain why - particularly with regards to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the source.

• Refs 1, 2 and 3 are not articles about this person - although they do have a little information about him, I am not seeing "significant coverage".
• Ref 4 does not look like a "reliable source"; it appears to be a blog-like page.
• Ref 5 similarly does not give the impression of a reliable source; in addition, I can find no reference to "Manson" on that page.

If you are certain that there is "significant coverage", then you might consider the following suggestions;

• You seem to misunderstand how 'references' should be used. They should not just appear at the end of the article; each part of the article needs appropriate references - directly after it. For example,

He is the former Mayor of Northfork, West Virginia. Prior to being elected mayor, Nick was a successful businessman in Northfork. He also continued to own and operate his own restaurant in Northfork during his time as Mayor. Nick has been a key political figure in McDowell County, West Virginia for many years.

Any information that cannot be verified does not belong on Misplaced Pages.

• In addition, it needs to be neutral. Terms such as "a successful businessman" and "a key political figure" are opinion, not factual.

The current proposed article contains words that introduce bias and unsupported attributions.

My most important suggestion though, DonnieDog, is: work on some other Misplaced Pages articles. By doing so, you will gain experience in all these matters, as well as getting help from other Wikipedians. We have plenty of articles that need help. There is no deadline; the draft will not be deleted - you can always come back to it, in some weeks or months.

Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  01:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Chzz: I don't mind. Been a bit under the weather the last few days. I don't have any additions to the points you've mentioned. Jarkeld (talk) 01:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, cheers, get well soon  Chzz  ►  01:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Joran van der Sloot

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Thank you for taking care of the broken link during the GA review. Cheers! KimChee (talk) 16:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Glad to have been able to help out a little. Jarkeld (talk) 02:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Jarkeld,

I thought i was trying to be a helper to some new comers since creation of userpages can be a trying task for them.But since you see no reason for that,i'll go with you then.Cheers Earlymen (talk) 04:31,19 March 2011 (UTC)

Monmouth Civic Chorus

Hi, user Jarkeld: This is user Tenorio40 writing on March 27, 2011. So far, we haven't had too much time (with taxes due April 15 and my collaborator going to Maryland 3 days this week, and I being busy all week preparing a Friday lecture on 3G Wireless Network design). So far, we have 31 references in our article, and we have found over 250 more external citations.

We have found more than 250 articles with extensive reviews of our chorus performances at local newspaper websites. My collaborator and I are engaged in a raging debate whether we should include any of 80 additional articles we have found in the New York Times. New York City is an hour away, and the 80 New York Times articles we found at www.nytimes.org are short announcements in the "New Jersey forthcoming events" section. We did not find any New York Times reviews of our performance reviews.

Clearly the New York Times is better known than "The Asbury Park Press" or "The Hub" or "The Independent". It would "look" better if we include at least a few references to show that the New York Times considers us important enough to include us in their "New Jersey forthcoming events" section. Do you agree?

But the bulk of our references should be reviews in "The Asbury Park Press", "The Hub", and other local newspapers, right? For readers who want to know what classical music reviewers wrote about our concerts, those links would be of higher value. Do you agree?

Our debate is about how many New York Times "forthcoming events" links we should list in our reference section, vs. how many local newspaper reviews we should list.

We also wonder how much is enough. We feel we can easily provide 150 newspaper review references in our reference list, if not more. Should we spend the time, effort and energy to locate and cite so many? How many are enough?

Thanks,

Richard Oppenheim, Ph.D.

Tenorio40 (talk) 21:58, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm still missing references for the lede and most of the history section. Those sections can be referenced to the official site i think. The lede is in a somewhat promotional tone, but I'll leave that for a second opinion by another AfC reviewer. Jarkeld (talk) 22:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

By "lede", do you mean the Introduction, i.e. the leading section? I agree. My collaborator has been focused on other sections and today I started thinking we can include references also in the History section. We can certainly also add references to the Introduction. Thanks for your comment about the tone of the introduction being somewhat promotional -- I will raise this issue with two of my collaborators on the Wiki page.

You didn't answer any of my questions - How many references are required and what is the value of New York Times references which are just "forthcoming event" notices? Perhaps the lack of a reply means there are no firm and set requirements.

Thanks.

Tenorio40 (talk) 22:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Forthcoming event links: perhaps better to avoid them for the most part: it hasn't happened yet and can be misconstrued as promotional. Better are the reviews in the local papers. But don't overdo it: take one or two of the reliable sources for significant events. Jarkeld (talk) 22:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I meant forthcoming event links from 1999 or 2002 or 2005. They could not possibly be misconstrued as promotional. It would prove that we are important enough to be noticed by a famous national newspaper, but even so, are the reviews in the local newspapers better? Thanks.

Tenorio40 (talk) 22:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I misread forthcoming as in later in 2011. That should be fine, as long as WP:CITEKILL is followed (an essay, not a guideline, but still relevant). Jarkeld (talk) 23:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello user Jarkeld, Thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it. As you can probably tell we are passionate about our chorus :-) We have a bit of a challenge: our local newspaper, the Asbury Park Press, has 139 articles mentioning MCC, but charges for access to articles ($3.99 each or 10 for $12 -- excessive in my view, but ...). I assume we shouldn't use these unless the information is in the free summary part, sigh. Thanks Gandalf Wizard (talk) 22:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

That does not particularly matter: as long as you can give the issue, page and title of the article (or for online only sources the URL etc.), it shouldn't matter that not everyone can access it freely: see WP:PAYWALL. Jarkeld (talk) 23:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

In what way am i vandalising Misplaced Pages?=

I have every right to file a complaint against a fellow user if he swore at me, and then provoked me...just because you are friends with him, doesn't meant that you have to take sides....Swe41 (talk) 16:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC)