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:It is true that Cremony's book says that the Apache is "the most treacherous, bloodthirsty, villainous and unmitigated rascal upon earth". What is not good about your addition is that it adds your opinion that he was a genocidal racist white supremacist. Rather than drawing material from Cremony's book, why don't you limit yourself to ] sources that analyze Cremony. ] (]) 03:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:It is true that Cremony's book says that the Apache is "the most treacherous, bloodthirsty, villainous and unmitigated rascal upon earth". What is not good about your addition is that it adds your opinion that he was a genocidal racist white supremacist. Rather than drawing material from Cremony's book, why don't you limit yourself to ] sources that analyze Cremony. ] (]) 03:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
== John C. Cremony as a Racist ==
As I said, I am new to posting on Misplaced Pages. So I do not understand how quoting from the book written by the subject of the article can be unacceptable. Cannot an article about a person primarily known for a specific book, quote that book in support of comments made about its author?I said that he came close to being a genocidal racist, and although this might count as an opinion, the article I corrected claimed that Cremony was a friend and admirer of the Apaches. Is this not an opinion? Can anyone who has read the book believe this? How does this square with the lines I quoted, which appear as Cremony's summing-up at the very end of his book? Anyone can find the quotes I cited on Google Books, so *Life Among the Apaches* does not constitute "original research" as defined by Misplaced Pages, at least as I understand it.
I am sincerely mystified and upset at this. I was not intending to start a quarrel. I do appreciate Misplaced Pages users who have helped me understand how Misplaced Pages works. I still have much to learn. I've even found out what "tildes" are. ] (]) 04:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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A fact from John C. Cremony appeared on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 September 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
"the most treacherous, bloodthirsty, villainous and unmitigated rascal upon earth"
I recently added some additions and corrections to the article "John C. Cremony", only to have them immediately deleted. Thinking I might have not actually posted my corrections, I rewrote them and posted them again, only to have them immediately censored and replaced by the original article. This happened a third time, also immediately. Nobody gave any reason for this. I had just finished Cremony's *Life Among the Apaches* and sought more information about the author. The short article stated that Cremony admired the Apaches, but I quoted him as asserting that they were "the most treacherous, bloodthirsty, villainous and unmitigated rascal upon earth.... incapable of improvement." I wonder how anybody could say that Cremony admired, or was a friend of, the Apaches. Anyone doubting the accuracy of my own post can read the last five or six pages of the book, although they only restate what Cremony had said throughout the book. I am disillusioned to learn that someone can instantly censor my additions and replace them with the original errors. LosAngeles08 (talk) 00:54, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
It is true that Cremony's book says that the Apache is "the most treacherous, bloodthirsty, villainous and unmitigated rascal upon earth". What is not good about your addition is that it adds your opinion that he was a genocidal racist white supremacist. Rather than drawing material from Cremony's book, why don't you limit yourself to WP:SECONDARY sources that analyze Cremony. Binksternet (talk) 03:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
John C. Cremony as a Racist
As I said, I am new to posting on Misplaced Pages. So I do not understand how quoting from the book written by the subject of the article can be unacceptable. Cannot an article about a person primarily known for a specific book, quote that book in support of comments made about its author?I said that he came close to being a genocidal racist, and although this might count as an opinion, the article I corrected claimed that Cremony was a friend and admirer of the Apaches. Is this not an opinion? Can anyone who has read the book believe this? How does this square with the lines I quoted, which appear as Cremony's summing-up at the very end of his book? Anyone can find the quotes I cited on Google Books, so *Life Among the Apaches* does not constitute "original research" as defined by Misplaced Pages, at least as I understand it.
I am sincerely mystified and upset at this. I was not intending to start a quarrel. I do appreciate Misplaced Pages users who have helped me understand how Misplaced Pages works. I still have much to learn. I've even found out what "tildes" are. LosAngeles08 (talk) 04:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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